January 27, 2010

The Sound Of All Hell Breaking Loose

It's the end of the beginning;b%2Bw_young_ship_rats_scampering.gif

A catastrophic heat wave appears to be closing in on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. How hot is it getting in the scientific kitchen where they've been cooking the books and spicing up the stew pots? So hot, apparently, that Andrew Weaver, probably Canada's leading climate scientist, is calling for replacement of IPCC leadership and institutional reform.

If Andrew Weaver is heading for the exits, it's a pretty sure sign that the United Nations agency is under monumental stress. Mr. Weaver, after all, has been a major IPCC science insider for years. He is Canada Research Chair in Climate Modelling and Analysis at the University of Victoria, mastermind of one of the most sophisticated climate modelling systems on the planet, and lead author on two recent landmark IPCC reports.

For him to say, as he told Canwest News yesterday, that there has been some "dangerous crossing" of the line between climate advocacy and science at the IPCC is stunning in itself.

Not only is Mr. Weaver an IPCC insider. He has also, over the years, generated his own volume of climate advocacy that often seemed to have crossed that dangerous line between hype and science.

World Wildlifegate
and now, Amazongate

And those are just the least of their problems...

Good work, people!

Posted by Kate at January 27, 2010 9:27 AM

A delicious meltdown.

Posted by: Mark Peters at January 27, 2010 9:35 AM

Love the rats!!

As small animals they are not quite dead enough yet.

Posted by: James at January 27, 2010 9:46 AM

Good work indeed.

And in case it isn't said enough, a big thanks to Kate and all the SDA commenters and contributors who doggedly pursue, collate, and distribute all these inconvenient truths that the MSM and political class try to downplay or ignore. The work you do is invaluable, and is very much appreciated.

Posted by: Matt Hillier at January 27, 2010 9:47 AM

Pachauri is an AGWFraud. That is known.

Less known is that Pachauri is also an anti-semite.

"Pachauri said, "What is the difference between Lomborg's view of humanity and Hitler's?"

Scratch a left-liberal socialist, find an anti-semite.

This is from:
by Iain Murray
May 11, 2004

"Adolf Lomborg?"


"In the light of this well-established argument, what, then, are we to make of the recent extraordinary remarks of Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, the chairman of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)? He compared Bjørn Lomborg, Danish statistician and author of The Skeptical Environmentalist, to Adolf Hitler in an interview with Jyllandsposten, a leading Danish newspaper (published April 21).

Pachauri said, "What is the difference between Lomborg's view of humanity and Hitler's? You cannot treat people like cattle. You must respect the diversity of cultures on earth. Lomborg thinks of people like numbers. He thinks it would be cheaper just to evacuate people from the Maldives, rather than trying to prevent world sea levels from rising so that island groups like the Maldives or Tuvalu just disappear into the sea. But where's the respect for people in that? People have a right to live and die in the place where their forefathers have lived and died. If you were to accept Lomborg's way of thinking, then maybe what Hitler did was the right thing."

The Skeptical Environmentalist's longest chapter is devoted to global warming. In it, Lomborg accepts the IPCC's scientific assessment reports as the basis of his analysis. What Pachauri apparently objects to is that Lomborg concludes that the Kyoto Protocol would do almost nothing to reduce the rate of global warming, but at enormous expense. For a fraction of the costs of Kyoto, many pressing environmental problems afflicting poor countries could be addressed.

This is hardly Nazi thinking, but it is not the first time the Nazi analogy or something like it has been directed at Dr. Lomborg. The British scientific journal Nature, for instance, in November 2001 published a review of The Skeptical Environmentalist by Stuart Pimm of the Center for Environmental Research and Conservation, Columbia University, and Jeff Harvey of the Centre for Terrestrial Ecology, Netherlands Institute of Ecology. They said, "The text employs the strategy of those who, for example, argue that gay men aren't dying of AIDS, that Jews weren't singled out by the Nazis for extermination, and so on."

Godwin's Law and its variants teach us many things. They teach us that genuine debate is not well served by Nazi analogies. They teach us that those who employ Nazi analogies usually have either weak arguments or are too emotionally invested in the subject to be dispassionate on the issue. And they teach us that those who see Nazi analogies being employed are liable to trust those who use them less.

All these lessons apply in current environmental policy debates. If we are to reach sound democratically based conclusions on the issues, then we could do without the inflammatory language from one side. Those who are obsessed with equating the thinking of vegetarian Danish professors of statistics with that of the one of the greatest monsters of history condemn themselves and their arguments with them. From all we have learned from Godwin's Law, it may be a sign that they have lost the argument already.",04013.CFM

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 9:49 AM

Can I ask a simple question?

Why was there so much invested into modelling from the start? Do so-called "climate scientists" not know that climate has fluctuated so greatly in the history of the earth? Do they all live in urban centers giving them a skewed vision of life on this planet? Obviously this approach is deeply flawed so-called "climate science" so corrupted to not be science at all? Who has the deep pockets and influence to keep it all going in one single direction?

Posted by: Kountry Bumpkin at January 27, 2010 9:52 AM

So Weaver is covering his ass...

Posted by: RFC at January 27, 2010 9:54 AM

Now is the time to ask what the Bill Goods of CKNW, to name only one, how they justify using Weaver to push their media agendas, too.

Posted by: BB at January 27, 2010 9:59 AM have been linked by Richard at eureferendum... Good work!!

Posted by: James at January 27, 2010 10:06 AM

SDA gets results....

Now, to get back to my list of US Politicians who supported AGW before they didn't.

Posted by: Ratt at January 27, 2010 10:10 AM

can't link "hurricanegate"

Posted by: rzr at January 27, 2010 10:11 AM

The only things better than watching this SCAM unravel, would be seeing on the MSM, Mr's Suzuki, Gore, Maurice, etal being led away in handcuffs like Mr. Madoff. Crimes are no different!

Posted by: bartinsky at January 27, 2010 10:13 AM

Bill Good catches Weaver's farts. I heard him on his show a few months ago completely taken with this scam. Bill (Do) Good is a huge fog horn for liberal leftist concerns. CKNW has Roy Green on Saturday and Sunday noon time slots and that's it for right wing glimpses.

Posted by: Abe Froman at January 27, 2010 10:20 AM

A month ago Weaver was claiming a global conspiracy funded by big oil was behind the hacking/leak of CRU e-mails.

The conspiracy went so far as to include nefarious forces that had attempted to break into offices on the U-Vic campus.

What a difference a month makes.


Posted by: syncrodox at January 27, 2010 10:24 AM

Why was there so much invested into modelling from the start?

Simply because the actual data ... ya know ... the real world, isn't all that alarming. You really can't make a case for "we're all doomed" with a less than 1 degree temperature rise over 150 years.

Many of us are really impressed with computers and make the assumption that if a computer said it ... using real math even ... then it must be true. It is just hard to accept that it is possible to use both computers and math to present a deliberately false picture. Even worse, many of the modellers get so caught up in the fantasy worlds inside their computers that they don't believe that they are lying. Sorta like Obama starting to believe his own press clippings produced by his PR staff.

The models, even more than all the various "gates" of recent days, are the real achilles heel of the AGW movement. Without them everything is just business as usual, move along, nothing to see here.

I predict that in coming weeks and months the MSM, now that they are being dragged into the real debate, will start listening to and reporting on those scientists who are saying that the models are about as reliable as a table of random numbers for predicting future climate states.

Posted by: B. Humphreys at January 27, 2010 10:27 AM

Al Gore's Weather (AGW) says, Moi internet is da vox populeye truth; here's my Footprint*.

The good news from AGW? It's from Canada, eh?
"cold air from Canada".

AGW's Footprint here*: "Future View".

"*Less Than 24 Hours Until Winter Storm Arrives In NE Oklahoma

On Friday, snow will still be falling with significant
accumulations likely along and north of the I-44 corridor.

TULSA, OK -- Most of northern Oklahoma is under a Winter Storm Warning which will be in effect from 6 a.m. Thursday through 6 a.m. Friday.

News On 6 meteorologist Alan Crone says a major storm moving east out of California is expected to collide with cold air from Canada late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning.

Read Alan Crone's weather discussion."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 10:35 AM

The first MSM rat to bail out/off the AGWFraud shipwreck was John Who?

It's last word/parthian shot was with the anti-semite's word: "deniers".

Moore: "I do hope that one day the deniers get the upbraiding they deserve."

"John Moore: Why I don't care about global warming"


"In Douglas Adams Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy series the dolphins — who as it turns out are actually the brains on the planet — quit Earth shortly before it is demolished to make way for an intergalactic highway. They leave behind a message reading, “So long and thanks for all the fish.”

And so with those words I leave the climate change cause to those who genuinely care — although I do hope that one day the deniers get the upbraiding they deserve."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 10:51 AM

At least we are learning where to plant our Carbon Foot Print. IPCC and fellow travelers bend over please.

Posted by: Joe at January 27, 2010 11:04 AM

And yet the elites still don't pay attention. We have Gwynne Dyer giving lectures on climate change here in the lower mainland. Hmmm, maybe I should go and heckle??

Posted by: Soccermom at January 27, 2010 11:04 AM

Today, one of the challenges for those that don’t subscribe to the AGW hysteria is that as the reporting goes. It is now possible for the “journalists”, IPCC paper pushers and others that make living spreading AWG propaganda to omit reference to A of AWG and talk about global warming and climate change as though it is understood that it is homo sapiens that is the cause of it.
Population, going about their business of making living, doing what ever they do, does not in general inquire about the pronouncements of these propagandists. Is it true? Well so and so said so, so it must by so, end of inquiry.
To set things in some sensible perspective, the mass media (as they like to say that it is their duty) must report truthfully about the circumstances of this phenomenon called climate change. A good start would be to inform that climate change is a constant; climate has been changing since there was sun, moon, oceans, wind, cosmic rays and all the myriad of variables that affect which way the wind blows.
Since the mass media is unlikely to do any of that kind of reporting until it hits them right between the eyes, those that have interest and gather information will have to do.

Posted by: Lev at January 27, 2010 11:10 AM

Ok, ok, AGW it is.

Posted by: Lev at January 27, 2010 11:20 AM

Lets remake the world with IPCC trillions of dollars of funding to reorient the entire world economy to a problem that doesn't exist.

What a fantasy world they have constructed for themselves...(fill in the blank) - gate.

If you haven't heard about some scandal by coffee break start one!!

CO2 is gassing the planet, we are all gonna, run for your lives! Preferably with your hair on fire.

First rule of computer science: GIGO

Garbage in, Garbage out...

"The latest IPCC fiasco looks even more damaging. In the 2007 IPCC report that Mr. Weaver said revealed climate change to be a barrage of intergalactic ballistic missiles, it turns out one of those missiles -- a predicted melting of the Himalayan ice fields by 2035 -- was a fraud."

IGBMs are also a non-entity as we know of no known aliens targeting our planet with missiles.
Must be one of those "known unknowns"...!?

ICBMs on the other hand present a more credible threat to humanity than the handwaving being passed off as legitimate 'science', ill disguised as political posturing...

How about something intelligent like cutting off IPCC funding?

But them might be fightin' words..


Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at January 27, 2010 11:21 AM

This is a *very* important post - thank you Kate.

Andrew Weaver has been one of the biggest global warming alarmists that you can find. He is also opposed to the tar sands. A standard left-wing professor in many regards.

Here you can hear him for yourself.

As beautifully illustrated by the drawing Kate posted, the rats, in particular the bigger ones, are now abandoning the ship.

On a related note, it never fails to amaze me how quickly liberals start blaming each other and throwing each under the bus when their fraudulent ideas are exposed. This behaviour seems to be ingrained in the liberal psyche.

Posted by: TJ at January 27, 2010 11:25 AM

Maz2 @9:49 A.M.

Granted that Pachauri is a loon, and a sinister and corrupt loon at that, how does it follow that he is an anti-Semite? Because he likens Lomborg's reasoning, as expressed in The Skeptical Environmentalist (excellent reading, BTW) to that of Hitler? He is simply indulging in one of the favorite pastimes of the looney Left, drawing totally-flawed analogies between their opponents of the day and the evil "right-wing" Nazis.

One sentence of Pachauri's interview: "People have a right to live and die in the place where their forefathers have lived and died." Now, that MIGHT be code for accusing Israel of Nazi-like tactics if used in the context of Middle East politics, but I'm going to have see something a little more substantial in the way of evidence before tarring Pachauri with the label of "anti-Semite." "Crook" will do fine for now.

Posted by: gordinkneehill at January 27, 2010 11:25 AM

"So Weaver is covering his ass..."

Rats deserting a sinking ship are still rats.

Does Weaver possess more integrity than his fellow shysters are did he simply blink first?

No doubt he would have continued on his merry way had the stuff not hit the fan.

Nothing less than jail time is warranted for these people.

Posted by: biffjr. at January 27, 2010 11:29 AM

I heard this doctor on the Bill Good show a few weeks after Climategate broke. He dismissed a question about any AGW caused rise in sea levels with a dismissive "Well, just ask the people being evacuated off south Pacific islands." Of course, Bill "I've got no journalistic integrity" Good didn't ask the good doctor to name the island(s). On an earlier appearance on the same show, the doctor stated that he was going to get the CRTC to investigate the radio ads paid for by and how his office and others at UVic had been broken into by people funded by Big Oil. Of course, Mr. Good didn't challenge any of this. Apparently he's perfectly happy with having the gov't censors clamp down on anyone who dares question "consensus" and any Big Oil based conspiracy claim just has to be true, doesn't it?

Obviously, I've stopped listening to both these morons.

Hmm, "journalistic integrity" - that'll be my new favourite oxymoron.

Posted by: doninanmore at January 27, 2010 11:44 AM

Time for UVic to do an ethics investigation on Weaver, his funding and his extra curricular activities.

Posted by: Fred at January 27, 2010 11:48 AM

maz2 @ 2010 9:49 AM

Lomborg thinks of people like numbers. He thinks it would be cheaper just to evacuate people from the Maldives, rather than trying to prevent world sea levels from rising so that island groups like the Maldives or Tuvalu just disappear into the sea.

Lomburg and Pachauri are both wrong.
The sea isn't rising to cover the Maldives or Tuvalu.

Here is a vido about a 1200 year old woman's skull found at sea level in the Maldives.

On the contrary, the sea level at the Maldives has fallen 20-30 centimeters since the 1970s.

Posted by: Oz at January 27, 2010 11:48 AM

Kounty Bumpkin @ 9:52 and B. Humphreys @ 10:27:

One of the proclivities that marks our kind is to be seduced by technology. The seduction takes the form of attempting to understand everything in terms of the latest technological craze. The current seductress is the computer. And so we think we can understand everything in computational terms: intelligence, the mind, the weather, and so on. So, as B. Humphreys observes above at 10:27, we believe the model over reality. Very convenient for those who control of the models.

Posted by: nick at January 27, 2010 11:49 AM

Say Kate, are those rats wearing CSA Approved flotation devices? You're supposed to put on your flotation device when the Captain sounds the abandon ship alarm.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 27, 2010 11:56 AM

always with his fingers on the pulse of America, rumour has it that the great "0" is canning any future NASA space exploration in favor of putting more resources (and cash) into "...the White House will direct NASA to concentrate on Earth-science projects — principally, researching and monitoring climate change..." according to the Orlando Sentinel.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 27, 2010 12:00 PM

biffjr hear hear!

Posted by: TJ at January 27, 2010 12:00 PM

By the way, for those wishing to enjoy some schnadenfreud and "I told ya so!" fun, John Cross is available to be taunted and mocked at Big City Lib, My Blahg (ew!), Dr. Dawg's clown circus and a few other usual Lefty swamps/echo chambers.

I'd do it myself, but I'm trying to give up being a mean b@st@rd for Lent. :) I'm trying really, really hard.

Posted by: The Phantom at January 27, 2010 12:02 PM

It might be time for the esteemed members of the IPCC to issue a press release for policy makers on which parts of the last report are still accurate. Given the questions surrounding the UEA CRU "hiding the decline", NASA's odd temp data pruning, Glaciergate, Amazongate, climate scientists abandoning ship, etc. ... that 3000 page report will be considerably slimmer.

Posted by: LC Bennett at January 27, 2010 12:06 PM


i googled it and you're's actually old german for a schnook who gets his just desserts...

Posted by: john begley at January 27, 2010 12:47 PM

phantom.......and leave the poodledoc alone..

he's MY personal terd to kick up and down the block....

fyi for Lent i'm giving up that false humility that i find such a burden to simulate....

'and the devil grinned
to see his darling sin
pride aping humility."

Posted by: john begley at January 27, 2010 12:51 PM

P.S It ain't lent yet ;-)

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 27, 2010 12:55 PM

My interpretation of Godwins Law is that it is sophistry....cleverly discredit those who make an precise, accurate anology about.........for example the Nazi Propaganda ministry and the IPCC.

Posted by: sasquatch at January 27, 2010 1:05 PM

I've seen Godwin's Law invoked during a discussion about Nazis.

Posted by: Kate at January 27, 2010 1:28 PM

Prince UpChuck is descended from Mad King Ludwig of Bavaria on both sides of his Family Tree.

"WTF? Prince of Wales tells disgraced CRU: 'Well done, all of you!'"

"Is this really the best time, you might wonder, for the future King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to praise the CRU for the “quality” of its work and to dismiss the Climategate scandal as a “little blip”? (Hat tip: Roddy Campbell)

Well the Prince of Wales clearly thinks so or he wouldn’t have paid a visit to Norwich yesterday to deliver a jolly little fillip to the beleaguered scientists. In his sublime wisdom, Prince Charles clearly believes they have done no wrong at all.

On a visit to the disgraced CRU yesterday – shown here in full technicolour horror – the Prince told scientists including the organisation’s suspended director Dr Phil Jones:

“Well done all of you. Many, many congratulations on your work. I wish you great success in the future. Don’t get downhearted by these little blips here and there!”

“Little blips”? Does this mean that Prince Charles takes a relaxed view on law-breaking?"

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 1:45 PM

as the English say of prince charles...

'he IS a right charley'.....

Posted by: john begley at January 27, 2010 1:59 PM

The sound of all hell breaking loose. I think someone should nominate someone for one of these medals.
No Im not talking about Lloyd Robertson, or Peter Mansbridge.

Posted by: wuberman at January 27, 2010 2:35 PM

Mao Stlong's mockely and lidicure(TM) has by-passed the Hindu Kush on its travels into India.

1.Rajendra Pachauri,
2.Rajendra P,

"Rajendra Pachauri , the Incompetent
By: praveen varma


"Why would an Indian person at such an influential position preside over such a shoddy piece of work with the full knowledge that it was baseless? There are many possible reasons. Let us count them: 1.Rajendra Pachauri was taken by his own staff, 2.Rajendra Pachauri is incompetent, 3.Rajendra Pachauri was asleep at the wheel, or 4. Rajendra Pachauri, though an Indian, dislikes his country so much that he had to preside over a baseless report that did not look kindly upon India.

India does not need such Indians who accuse us for not doing enough to“protect” the environment when most of the anthropogenic greenhouse gasses are emitted elsewhere. Our country is growing at a fast pace and our citizenry and the government are doing their best to protect the country and its environment.

Before Pachauri and his band of incompetent climatologists get too upset, we offer Pachauri a deal: Publicly apologize unconditionally to our country on the auspicious Republic Day and the country will forgive him. No conditional apologies, just a plain, simple and humble apology will do.

Over to you, Rajendra Pachauri."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 3:01 PM

Had a visit with a high up msm doo-dad lately, he worked for the biggest daily locally, he had heard a little about this SCAM being exposed as such, but was not familiar with all his sychophants and lie purveyors running from the sinking ship. I asked him why he knew so little about this, and he had no answer. I could not believe that this big-wig was so ill-informed, but now I know they must have really tasty bath water within the MSM and they see no need to taste anything else. He asked me how I knew what I related to him about this and I was in awe of his lack of research, what is he and all the other media dorks job description, to go after Harper for farting in a bathroom? This is the quality of our MSM, is it any wonder the SCAM got so much traction, and now as it unravels no one in the MSM asks any questions. Don't waste a nickel on a newspaper folks.

Posted by: bartinsky at January 27, 2010 3:15 PM

Kate can declare victory over some so-called "big names"
In Canadian media.

Jeffrey Simpson, for one, has a shi! load of humble pie to eat.

When I first came to sda, Kate was virtually alone in standing up against the fraudsters. I will never trust the MSM again.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at January 27, 2010 3:22 PM

Sorry, I forgot the National Post is now waking up to this SCAM, and deserves mention, my mistake. Funny how when on life support, a newspaper slowly converts to telling the truth, this can only be a sign of possibly good things to come from that newspaper. When the National Inquirer is up for a Pulitzer, the rest of the fish-wrappers should take notice.

Posted by: bartinsky at January 27, 2010 3:35 PM

Recently Weaver had a column in our local Vanc Island paper "The News Parksville" about the CRU leak and said it was all blown out of proportion and nothing there. I sent a letter to the Editor on Jan 21 titled "Nothing but a big farce" and to my surprise they printed it! He will not appreciate the put down! Just think our taxpayers dollars are paying for this guy!

I sent a copy of this letter to Weaver`s buddy Good at CKNW for good measure.

Posted by: Al W at January 27, 2010 3:37 PM

Bartinsky: "Sorry, I forgot the National Post is now waking up to this SCAM, and deserves mention, my mistake. Funny how when on life support, a newspaper slowly converts to telling the truth."

You haven't been paying attention. For several years -- much of this decade, in fact -- Lawrence Solomon, Terrence Corcoran and Lorne Gunther have been pounding away on this theme. The NP has never been in the tank with the alarmists; and they have no actual perpetrators on their staff, as the G and M does with Jeffrey Simpson.

Posted by: mj at January 27, 2010 4:03 PM

I think Mr Weaver is saying that "Pandering to Idiots” must not be practiced between Scientists... He may have been too trusting of the other members of the IPCC

I suspect other scientists, with integrity, will distance themselves from the fraud...and save their careers. It is not reasonable to think that ALL members of the IPCC are involved in the Fraud…..

Those that lack foresight will go down with the Shit House Rats.......

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at January 27, 2010 4:15 PM

Phillip I disagree 100%. Weaver is a hypocrite, and like a coward he is now trying to run away from a fraud he happily participated in.

Weaver and others engineered a scam on a world-wide scale. Even though it has been proven a fraud, idiots like our premier here in BC still seem determined to tax us for it.

Weaver should be fired from his job, along with others involved. The damage they have done is huge, including damage to the cause of real science.

Posted by: TJ at January 27, 2010 4:27 PM

"It is not reasonable to think that ALL members of the IPCC are involved in the Fraud….."
~Phillip G. Shaw

I disagree.
The IPCC exists solely for the purpose of pushing the fraud of AGW.
The purpose is in the name.

There wouldn't be an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change if the underlying assumption weren't that there was a Climate Change crisis necessitating an Intergovernmental Panel.
To date, there isn't a shred of proof that any crisis exists in the area of climate change.

Anyone with the IPCC that started out thinking they were pursuing scientific truth has been pushed out long ago.

If you having reasoning to the contrary then I'd like to read it.

Posted by: Oz at January 27, 2010 4:59 PM

huricanegate link fixed

Posted by: Cjunk at January 27, 2010 5:09 PM

From Ottawa, Canada's capital city.

Where is the outrage, the protests from Weaver and his Red-Green commissars?

The Council of the City of Ottawa is a puffin's nest of left-liberal-socialists.

"120 Million Litres of [raw] Sewage Flows into River

The wettest January day on record sent millions of litres of raw sewage into the Ottawa River.

The city estimates 120 million litres of raw sewage and untreated waste water overflowed the sewage system and into the historic waterway on Monday.

The Ministry of Environment, Ottawa Public Health and downstream water system operators have been notified of the spill."

More Red-Green:

"One More Green Bin Program Delay

The Orgaworld facility that will compost the city's Green Bin waste is facing another delay.

Now, some city councilors say the long-term partnership with the Dutch company may not be worth it."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 5:46 PM

Even if it's conclusively proven that AGW is wrong, Canadian women and children will still believe it's happening ... all because they have been inculcated psychologically, traumatized by the likes of Suzuki and Gore ... and because emotionally-wired people cannot change their minds .. their heartfelt gut feeeeelings just cannot be 'wrong'.

Posted by: Observant at January 27, 2010 5:51 PM

Observant, I don't care what people believe as long as they pay for it exclusively out of their own pocket and no government coercion is used to force me in line with their thinking.

The fraudsters are going to get nailed now and the MSM is going to quietly let the AGW hoax go.
People have short memories and they'll forget about AGW and move on to the next fad, having learned nothing from the last fad.

Posted by: Oz at January 27, 2010 6:01 PM

I remember the TV commercials telling us every day or month a chunk of Jungle the size of Maryland was being plowed under or burnt for cattle. Think about that for a minute.

10,460 sq mi (27,092 sq km) Maryland

3.3 million square miles [8.5 million square kilometers] Brazil
The commercials went on for years & still do for all I know. I will leave it to the Mathematically inclined to figure out how long it would take Brazil to become denuded at the rate the Earth worshipers say since 1982 when I first seen this piece of propaganda.
Just so you don't think I'm blowing smoke. Here's another tree fantasist.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 27, 2010 6:15 PM

I betcha that the IPCC wishes it could prorogue.

Posted by: Joe at January 27, 2010 6:59 PM

Keep your foot on their throat.....

Posted by: OMMAG at January 27, 2010 7:14 PM

Climate studies resort to models because this is a classificatory discipline akin to botany, by definition not an empirical, experimental science. This means that hypotheses cannot be falsified in practice (Popper's criterion), but only verified in hindsight to the extent that observed outcomes match practitioners' historical data-streams.

The danger here, so amply demonstrated since November 2009 (in fact since 1988), is that researchers' not-so-subtle biases feed back to cancel or reinforce past patterns to obtain desired outcomes. Junk-science researchers like Trofim Lysenko and J.B. Rhine eventually resort to escalating fraud [Rhine excluded all his null results] as Climate Cultists such as Briffa, Hansen, Jones, Mann, Trenberth et al. most certainly have done. Bad faith, false pretenses, ad hominem attacks allied with Argument from Authority by Stipulation ("it's true because we Ascended Masters say it is") are the inevitable result.

As a bureaucratic clearing-house, Pachauri's supposedly authoritative IPCC by nature performs zero scientific vetting, merely ratifying what hyper-partisan ideologues deem fitting. What results lacks even a pretense of objective or even rational analysis, Warmist drivel ridiculously invalid on its face.

Beyond this institutional smokescreen, the fact is that linear extrapolations of climate trends, Edward Lorenz's "complex dynamic systems", are both mathematically and physically impossible. Chaos Theory's "sensitive dependence on initial conditions" (the Butterfly Effect) renders complex outcomes non-random but indeterminate, necessarily beyond binary analysis however powerful.

Moreover, as two German geophysicists have recently re-emphasized, thermodynamic Conservation Laws forbid any "greenhouse effect" in open atmospheric systems: Entropy requires that heat cannot be "trapped", but must dissipate to space, while any hypothetical "closed system" will tend to equilibrium by cooling rather than by warming processes. Any disputing this join "flat Earthers" as classic ignoramuses-- they embrace Perpetual Motion, as if one could paint a wall without wetting the brush.

Let's face it: Climate Cultists' Green Gang of peculating con-artists promotes so-called "cap-and-trade" of CO2 emissions to advance national Thieves' Markets for their personal benefit (Al Gore and Pachauri both have reportedly cleared hundreds of millions of U.S. dollars). These nihilistic Luddite sociopaths care nothing for human comfort, material progress, or even post-Enlightenment industrial civilization. Entering a 70-year "dead sun" Maunder Minimum presaging the overdue end of our current Holocene Interglacial Epoch, despicable Statist charlatans may well have mega-deaths to answer for.

Posted by: John Blake at January 27, 2010 7:21 PM

TimesUk headline: The Jones AGW Gangsters Nailed.

"Scientists in stolen e-mail scandal hid climate data

The university at the centre of the climate change row over stolen e-mails broke the law by refusing to hand over its raw data for public scrutiny.

The University of East Anglia breached the Freedom of Information Act by refusing to comply with requests for data concerning claims by its scientists that man-made emissions were causing global warming.

The Information Commissioner’s Office decided that UEA failed in its duties under the Act but said that it could not prosecute those involved because the complaint was made too late, The Times has learnt. The ICO is now seeking to change the law to allow prosecutions if a complaint is made more than six months after a breach."

"Professor Phil Jones, the unit’s director, stood down while an inquiry took place. The ICO’s decision could make it difficult for him to resume his post."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 8:08 PM

Al Gore's Weather (AGW): Update Oklahoma.

"Henry declares state of emergency in anticipation of storm

Gov. Brad Henry Wednesday evening declared a state of emergency for all 77 counties in anticipation of a winter storm expected to hit the state Thursday and Friday."

Posted by: maz2 at January 27, 2010 8:45 PM

The BBC wobbles!

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at January 27, 2010 9:07 PM

Terence Corcoran makes an interesting point in the National Post:

Mr. Weaver’s acknowledgement that climategate—the release/leak/theft of thousands of incriminating emails from a British climate centre showing deep infighting and number manipulation — demonstrates a problem is real news in itself. When climategate broke as a story last November, Mr. Weaver dismissed it as unimportant and appeared in the media with a cockamame story about how his offices had also been broken into and that the fossil fuel industry might be responsible for both climategate and his office break-in.

Weaver was a believer and achiever. Now, he distances himself while barely a month ago, he was a Ra-Ra member of the AGW club elite.

Hmmm, perhaps he knows something.

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at January 27, 2010 9:37 PM

John Blake,

While I agree with what you said, you did not go far enough. You said:

Pachauri's supposedly authoritative IPCC by nature performs zero scientific vetting, merely ratifying what hyper-partisan ideologues deem fitting.

Pachauri also had an enormous vested interest in "global warming", just as Al "The Evil" Gore did. Note past tense.

Posted by: Robert of Ottawa at January 27, 2010 9:50 PM

re Pachauri: "People have a right to live and die in the place where their forefathers have lived and died"

I sometimes wonder how many people who immigrate to Canada would actually prefer to stay where they were born and raised, but economic and/or political conditions change their minds. Maybe if the West did more to clean up places like Burma and Zimbabwe, we wouldn't have so many of refugees, for starters.

re: "Prince of Wales tells disgraced CRU: 'Well done, all of you'"

It's enough to make one advocate a republic ...

Posted by: nv53 at January 28, 2010 2:10 AM

"Prince of Wales tells disgraced CRU: 'Well done, all of you'"

While I have the utmost respect for most of the Royal Family, Prince Charles is the notable exception. In terms of relevance, his statements are at the same level as those of Elizabeth May.

Both should be ignored. Not mocked or ridiculed ... just ignored.

Posted by: biffjr. at January 28, 2010 11:35 AM

"Maybe if the West did more to clean up..." So who died and made us (the west) g*d? In all candid honesty, why is it the fault of the west that third world nations are not developing? How may billions of dollars have been poured into Africa and just what has it gotten?

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 28, 2010 12:04 PM

Weaver. Rat. Sinking ship.

Posted by: JMD at January 28, 2010 12:04 PM

"Maybe if the West did more to clean up..." So who died and made us (the west) g*d? In all candid honesty, why is it the fault of the west that third world nations are not developing? How may billions of dollars have been poured into Africa and just what has it gotten?

Posted by: Texas Canuck at January 28, 2010 12:19 PM

From the Victora Times Colonist

Weaver clarifies comments on panel

The article suggested I believe that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was tainted by political advocacy, that its chairman should resign, and that its approach to science should be overhauled. These statements do not accurately reflect my views...

Some have been questioning whether certain statements by the chairman are appropriate. I agree that these are legitimate questions, but that does not mean that I am calling for the chairman's resignation

The IPCC has three working groups: Science, Impacts and Adaptation and Mitigation. These groups have become large due to the enormity of evidence to be examined. As a consequence, there is not as much interaction between them as there should be.

The recent statement in the Impacts and Adaptation report regarding the likelihood of the Himalayan glaciers "disappearing by the year 2035" is an example. This error would likely have been caught by the broader science community if there were more regular interactions between the various working groups.

None of this changes the conclusions of the IPCC concerning the human contribution to past, present and future global warming. The real question is whether we want to deal with this problem. And for this, the IPCC cannot provide the answer.

Andrew Weaver

University of Victoria

Posted by: Victorian at January 30, 2010 7:38 PM