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December 31, 2009

Rex Murphy Interviews Terry Glavin

Excerpts courtesy EBD;

"It's a disgrace, if you ask me, it's a complete disgrace that we're running around playing this sort of 'gotcha' journalism in Ottawa while we've got all of these soldiers engaged in this epochal struggle here, and treating - by the way - Taliban prisoners with kid gloves."

Later...

"Well, this is the funny thing - and we've all struggled with this here - I've talked to a number of journalists about this who are with me, and the journalists that are here, and we're all scratching are heads and wondering what is the story here, exactly? You tell me. What's news? How is it possible that any editor in his right mind could think that Peter MacKay conceding that we've known that some of these drooling brigands that are apprehended by the Afghan national army get their ears boxed a little bit from time to time? That's the way it was, that isn't the way it works now, by the way, not since 2007. The process is meticulous, it is squeaky-clean, it is public, it involves corrections Canada, the international Red Cross, the military police, the Afghan security and intelligence group, NATO - all of these detainees, and there's hardly any, by the way, we rarely turn anyone over to the Afghans any more. By the way, if an insurgent who kills a Canadian soldier gets apprehended on the battlefield, and puts his eye out or something like that, he goes into the same triage system as Canadian soldiers do, and if he's hurt a little bit more than a Canadian soldier is, he gets priority.

"All of this is old news. I'm sorry, (but) I mean, I spent fifteen years working for the dailies, and I've done a lot of sort of book writing and magazine writing ever since, and I'm not one of these embittered and cynical old journalists, but this is a bunch of reporters embedded at the Darcy McGhee pub in Ottawa trying to make a nuisance of themselves."

Listen to it here: MP3

Posted by Kate at December 31, 2009 7:39 AM
Comments

"...he goes into the same triage system as Canadian soldiers do, and if he's hurt a little bit more than a Canadian soldier is, he gets priority. ..."

Posted by: Curious at December 31, 2009 7:58 AM

just another stanza in the ode to the 'great lllieberal death wish'...

Posted by: john begley at December 31, 2009 8:20 AM

Most enlightening. Let's hope the Liberal/NDP/Bloc Boneheads sitting on the Gotcha Committee struck to smear our Forces and our government were tuned in to this one.

We have to be concerned about the opposition stooping to such depths in politics and even more concerned about the media who are their propagators.

They seem to totally ignore or are purposely obtuse to the fact we are there under NATO with 42 other countries, Canada does not call the shots.

If the loss of four more of our soldiers and a young journalist to these beasts doesn't silence the latest Committee of Gotcha Gang in the Hill, there is no hope and we need an election to clear them out.

Posted by: Liz J at December 31, 2009 8:25 AM

It appears that the LIEberals, Non-Democratic Party and Bloc will do anything to demoralize our efforts - at the cost of lives - for political gains. They appear to have no respect of our military and in particular the lives lost in fighting these terrorists. At the present they are so low in trying to smear the military and Cons, they need a ladder to reach bottom.

First the LIEberals complained that the Olympic torch wasn't in more LIBeral ridings in Canada, now this. I wonder if they would find fault if our Olympic athletes win a gold? Or if there is not gold in every event will they blame the Cons for that also? Will have to wait and see about that.

Posted by: Clown Party at December 31, 2009 9:28 AM

I hope this shuts up the idiots whose main goal is to drive the polls.

I hope every journalist who has written about the 'poor taliban detainees' now puts themselves into the picture and thinks before they write.

I wish every opposition member had to take a stint driving outside the wire with our soldiers and then think about the "poor detainees".

I hope they just think after this.

Thankfully there are a few who are not afraid to tell them to Shut Up!

Posted by: Alberta Girl at December 31, 2009 9:31 AM

Thank you for making this interview available. I always thought that we weren't getting the whole picture from the Committee, but now I know that Mr. Harper did the right thing in proroguing Parliament to shut the whole circus down.

Posted by: R Moore at December 31, 2009 9:39 AM

When he talks of journalists sitting at Darcy McGhees making a nuisance of themselves, the smirking face of Kady O'Malley pops into my head. She seems to be leading the pack with most vicious attacks on the Conservative government. Honesty and fair play don't exist in this girl. Probably why the CBC were attracted to her in the first place.

Posted by: Fay at December 31, 2009 9:53 AM

There is an interesting parallel between this "committee" and the democrat/media axis in the US. Napolitano cited "returning soldiers" as a security risk.
In the US Democrat committees actively seek to delay absentee (service members abroad) ballots to prevent them from being counted in elections.........
These elements here and abroad make a big deal about the Geneva Protocols visa-vis treatment of captured terrorists while conveniently ignoring the Geneva Protocol re un-uniformed combatants(illegal combatants)....summary execution.

Posted by: sasquatch at December 31, 2009 9:54 AM

"[This] is a bunch of reporters embedded at the Darcy McGhee [sic] pub in Ottawa trying to make a nuisance of themselves..."

Yes, and may I add that I'm sick of them all crowding the bar and yammering away when I'm trying to quietly enjoy my Guinness...

Posted by: JJM at December 31, 2009 9:59 AM

'Very fine interview. I'm going to send the link to my MP, who's a dyed-in-the-wool leftard.

What I found puzzling is how both Glavin and Murphy skated around why/how this story has become so front and centre in Ottawa, Glavin repeating how disgraceful it is, given what our soldiers are dealing with in Afghanistan.

I was waiting for the explanation of raw, unadulterated lib-left partisan politics rearing its ever-ugly head, but it was never articulated. Between the lines, it's clear that the Librano$, Dippers, and Blockheads have tried to perpetrate ANOTHER scandal in order to discredit the CPC and PMSH, and I'm curious as to why that wasn't actually said -- except for " ... but this is a bunch of reporters embedded at the Darcy McGhee pub in Ottawa trying to make a nuisance of themselves."

The Opposition parties and their henchmen in the media are operating like latter-day Tokyo Roses. IMO there should be some serious muzzling of their efforts to embolden our enemies. They truly are a disgrace to our democracy.

Posted by: batb at December 31, 2009 10:00 AM

This is why I keep wondring what the big deal is. As Glavin says the Cons changed the whole process in 2007, and Taliban have been treated like babies since.

The Cons need to do a batter job of explaining how they fixed the whole thing. Maybe they are and the MSM isn't reporting it.

Posted by: langmann at December 31, 2009 10:09 AM

I'm confident that competition between the three Opps, and their collective incompetence, will cause this story to die a slow death. When Flaherty tables his budget, there will be lots of stuff in it, and NOT in it, that Jack and Gilles will get outraged about. And thus use their time in QP to hammer away.

Will Iggy largely ignore the budget, and stick with the Afghan detainees story ? Hard to tell. But he would be ceding budgetary "talking points" ground to his two opponents, while he basically continues to beat a dying horse.

I would worry if all three Opps leaders, plus the media, plus more beauracrats, plus anti-war advocates join forces for a sustained period. But that level of co-operation is hard to sustain. This isn't Adscam, by a long shot.

Posted by: Calgary Junkie at December 31, 2009 10:10 AM

I really never understood why the Liberals and their Journalist Allies grab on to such stupid things like this and drag them out for an entire session of parliment. The Canadian people do NOT care, they know that bad things happen in a theatre of operations on both sides. Why waste time with this when there is the business of the country to get on with?

Once again it is OK to shoot taliban dead but not to punch them in the head if they are captured and acting up, a contradiction that only a liberal can reconcile.

Solution is a new policy of "No Prisoners", simple and easily implemented.

Posted by: Illiquid Assets at December 31, 2009 10:10 AM

"The Cons need to do a batter job of explaining how they fixed the whole thing. Maybe they are and the MSM isn't reporting it."

The MSM know damned well that it was the previous liberal government that failed in Afganistan...they know damned well that it was the CPC that fixed it.

They also know damned well that they can't say that or the viewers/readers won't switch their vote.

They are just as cowardly as the Taliban - they plant little "bombs" in their news and then run away and hide. It isn't in their interest to report the truth.

They make me sick.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at December 31, 2009 10:17 AM

By the way, in searching for something on Rex, I came across this on the CBC site:

http://www.cbc.ca/irrelevantshow/

Is CBC even aware of the irony in that show's name?

Ha ha!

Posted by: JJM at December 31, 2009 10:26 AM

Like many I have been somewhat puzzled with where this story emerged from. It is old news, the only value was in the the extra couple of weeks it may have taken the Canadian government apparatus to respond.

The Con government response, all things considered, has been part of the problem. You knew iot was a mistake as soon as you start defending the behaviour of someone not in your control, the afghan government. Nobody believes the Afghans dont get medieval, rough and dirty, left to their own devices.

The agenda, ruin any potential of the Canadian army staying past the 2011 mandate. Not that I have a problem with us leaving. We took on too much, and given everything going on, I think it is time to recharge the batteries, upgrade the equipment and take a year or two off of combat operations. At a minimum it is time to move to one of the quiet areas in the north.

It always needed US attention and strength. What is happening now, and this spring is the equivalent of a TET. Just dont make the mistake of TET, and assume that the enemy has the inehaustable resources the West has. The Viet Cong were exhausted and on the verge of collapse after TET. If the Taliban make anything close to a conventional assault it plays to the US advantage and the Taliban will be stacked like cordwood. It all comes down to will, thats what I worry about

Posted by: Stephen at December 31, 2009 10:47 AM

Typical of the Harper government to want to prorogue parliament in the face of some tough questions regarding the Afghan detainee torture scandal. These inept bunch of clowns that are attempting to govern this country have failed miserably in every respect; be it the economic crisis, Afghanistan, broken promises regarding transfer payments and appointing senators and the list goes on. Next election vote ABC (anyone but conservative)! Danny Williams was correct, Harper is a fraud and a liar.

Posted by: T at December 31, 2009 10:52 AM

Hey T...I just want to express my outrage that you would continue to denigrate our soldiers and our government over a detainee being hit with a shoe in light of the most recent murders of our soldiers and a journalist.

For you and your ilk to continue with this farce, knowing full well that incidents like this DO NOT happen any longer, you are no better than the Taliban - planting bombs and then running away and hiding while they blow up.

Your gotcha politics needs to stop. You rail away about 'working with parliament' and yet, you jump onto any perceived scandal with glee in the hopes that it is going to change the polls.

You are the ones playing partisan politics, you are the ones not 'working with parliament'.

When you decide that a Taliban who plants bombs that kill Canadians is more important than those Canadians, it tells me that your policies are not something that I would EVER agree with.

I really hope you take a long hard look at what you are doing when you sympathize with the Taliban.

Posted by: Alberta Girl at December 31, 2009 10:56 AM

Watching the news this morning enraged me, first up the death of our troops a mere mention but never ending dialogue on the death of the journalists. Then they moved onto the rage and anger from the political left because their witch hunt had been postponed. The MSM can't let the fake contrived story die, not even for a day out of respect for the fallen. I shut the TV off before I shoved my fist through it. Accusing Harper of being a war criminal is accusing the troops of the self same crime, not an ounce of evidence but they left are content with the off chance it was "Likely some detainees may of gotten tortured". that's all those tazard's got and MSM keeps reporting the detainee issue as if the ROE had been broken. I hate MSM.

Posted by: Rose at December 31, 2009 11:03 AM

Undermining our troops at home by giving the enemy the will and desire to continue fighting, that same will that Hanoi Jane Fonda gave the North Vietnamese to continue fighting and kill young US men and women, is treason. As I have said here before the time to disagree with the course our Country has or is taking is before and after, not during and armed conflict that endangers the lives of our young men and women. Giving hope or siding with the enemy on any issue during a conflict is support for your enemy and is treason.

Mr. Ignatiff, you are also to blame in these latest deaths, shut up, shut up until the fighting is done. Or do you really care?

Posted by: Western Canadian at December 31, 2009 11:13 AM

Hey T, please cite specific instances, investigations, fully documented, that Canadian soldiers KNOWINGLY turned over any detainee that was (again documented) mistreated/tortured. We'll need names of Canadian soldiers involved too. If not, then STFU you ignoramus.

IOW BS on you idiot. Spare us the coverup allegations (how do you cover up something that didn't happen, you idiot?).

Here's some facts for you T, from a soldier who just returned from Afghanistan:

1. 95% of "detainees" are released within ten minutes.

2. Most "detainees" are not Afghans, but foreign nationals,trained and supplied by AQ, who BTW can be summarily executed under the Geneva Convention.

3. Our procedures are meticulous and painstaiking, to the point of putting our soldiers at risk.

So, T continue to undermine our troops and government, to ignore real war crimes by Taliban (intentionally attacking civilians with no possible military objective) from your parent's basement. We'll continue to call you out as the twit you are.

Posted by: Shamrock at December 31, 2009 11:21 AM

Like many other "zombie" issues that resurface from time to time courtesy of the usual MSM suspects, tales of casualty counts, corruption, torture, atrocities, real or imagined, by western forces and those governments they are supporting in power in foreign climes, are basically wedge issue ploys. The object is to deter patriotically inclined but undecided voters and weak opposition supporters from drifting away from the "true faith" toward supporting the "right wing meanies".

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at December 31, 2009 11:24 AM

We should all be thankful that PMSH shut down the circus for a few days thus giving everyone a break from the pathetic grandstanding that was taking place. Nothing of any substance was being accomplished anyway unless you classify moaning and hand-wringing over the alleged mistreatment of a few terrorists as an accomplishment.

As for broken promises regarding transfer payments ... newsflash ... since we finally mustered enough common sense to turf the socialists, we Saskatchewanians don't need your stinkin' transfer payments.

Oh ... and regarding senate appointments ... how do you think all those Liberals got into the senate? Were they elected?

Posted by: biffjr. at December 31, 2009 11:46 AM

Thanks for the heads up T. Now that you've put things in context, I finally understand why this country has been gripped by poverty, famine and chaos since 2006.

You are a brave young Canadian and a risk taker and you obviously have a keen insight into what is actually taking place within our body politic here in Canada.

Say Hi to professor Wood when you're back in class next week and tell him that that article on Che that he posted on his web site last month was spot on.

Keep up the good work.

Mr. X.

Posted by: Mr. X at December 31, 2009 11:49 AM

Why or why is Rex Murphy still working for the CBC? He and we deserve better than that. Just think of the synergy that would develop if he were part of a team that isn't bent 24/7 on "gotcha" journalism, but rather one that spends its efforts on real and honest in depth analysis of issues. And Glavin should be part of that team and so should Kate.

Posted by: Louise at December 31, 2009 11:49 AM

Hmmm.... I guess "T" must stand for "Talking points".

Let's not feed this obvious Libtroll.

Posted by: Karl at December 31, 2009 11:55 AM

Why oh why does anyone waste any of Kate's bandwidth arguing with or refuting "T"?

T is obviously just yanking chains, writing AN EXACTLY OPPOSITE viewpoint from that of the SDAers.

He is either a bored jokester or a mindless partisan...either way, he should be treated as a troll (per Kate's instructions). Please!

Posted by: Eeyore at December 31, 2009 11:56 AM

Prorogue Parlianment and keep it prorogued. For like a year or two, to start off with anyway.

(I know this is a bad, silly, irresponsible idea. But can somebody explain to me why?)

Posted by: Black Mamba at December 31, 2009 11:57 AM

I meant "Parliament"..

Posted by: Black Mamba at December 31, 2009 11:59 AM

Why is this Liberal created three year old story still running? Desperate opposition parties trying to whip some scandal into flames? What a waste of time by these partisan reporters salivating for a scandal with legs.
Unless some of the posts here are by al-Malaki or Taliban Jack, I cannot understand someone putting those creatures ahead of our troops.

Posted by: Sylvanguy at December 31, 2009 12:08 PM

A very good interview. As we already know, the reporters swilling their drinks are the ones that are the smartest on the beat. Probably never been over in Afghanistan but lets keep this beat rolling about abuse, PMSH, the PC Party and all the stuff left on the table. "It's going to get us on the Canadian main page". There is only one word to describe this kind of people. "ASSWIPES!".

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 31, 2009 12:31 PM

i often think of how easy i've got it with my career, while Rex is stuck at the CBC, next to airheads.

have you noticed that he lets all his guests speak their minds fully, while other earnest miserable hosts, like that Anna chick (whoever), tense up and sound like their heads are gonna pop off when someone (like Ezra) comes on?

it's painful.

Posted by: shel at December 31, 2009 12:32 PM

This interview points out the sad state of journalism. Modern jouralism is not about news and information it is about politics, social engineering, and money (selling advertizing). I don't know if it's how these journalists are trained, or if they don't have the time or resources or if they are too lazy to bother to do anything but pull the latest copy off the wire, but the credibility of most journalists and their outlets has sunk to where most people don't trust them. Probably one or two steps below lawyers and politicians. Thank God for Kate and the other on line sources.

Posted by: m at December 31, 2009 12:36 PM

"Why or why is Rex Murphy still working for the CBC?"

Hopefully there will be a major shakeup at the CBC once the Conservatives get a majority. Rex will be very valuable then as he is their only honest journalist. He may actually run the entire news department then.

Plus he knows where all the bodies are buried at CBC headquarters.

Posted by: gord at December 31, 2009 12:59 PM

gord, I think the best thing that can happen to the CBC is to privatize it. Such a move would accomplish two things. Since it does have a constituency of loyal followers, who rightly should have access to media that reflects their views, they would still have it and, if their numbers are sufficient, CBC ought to be able to find advertisers willing to pay for service through the purchase of advertising spots. That's the only way to determine whether a broadcaster is viable. (ie. has a sufficient audience share to make an advertiser's investment profitable.)

The second thing it would accomplish, is we would at long last have a truly free press where ideas can compete for listeners/viewers/readers without interference from big political parties via the vehicle of patronage appointments to the board of directors.

In our multi-media world wide web universe there is virtually zero chance of undue media concentration occurring. As long as folks like Kate and even piddly little me can have websites where we can express ourselves, we will be alright. Just keep government funding and influence out of it.

Back to Rex, though. I think a parallel network to the CBC that offers up equal and opposite views and perspectives to those offered by Mother Corpse would be very fertile ground for advertisers. Look at how well conservative talk radio has done. We need more talk show hosts, television shows and partner websites to fill the rather gaping hole left by Mother Corpse and the others, which by and large, are only interested in huckstering ad nauseam gossipy stuff like Tiger Wood's extra curricular exploits and what not.

Posted by: Louise at December 31, 2009 1:26 PM

"If the loss of four more of our soldiers and a young journalist to these beasts doesn't silence the latest Committee of Gotcha Gang in the Hill, there is no hope and we need an election to clear them out."

Yeah, but we're stuck with the mostly sneering journalists.


Posted by: chutzpahticular at December 31, 2009 1:39 PM

Now, wouldn't it be great if Rex Murphy was appointed as one of the new senators?

There'd be no reason, at that point, to keep the propped-up CBC alive and maybe it could be shut down.

I would gladly dance on their grave.

Posted by: batb at December 31, 2009 2:26 PM

" I think the best thing that can happen to the CBC is to privatize it."

You'll get no argument from me there Louise. I'm all for that.

Posted by: gord at December 31, 2009 2:34 PM

"If we have another 2,000 people killed, I want Nancy Pelosi and [liberal philanthropist] George Soros, John Conyers and Pat Leahy to go to the funeral and say, 'Your son was vaporized because we didn’t want to dump some guy's head under water for 30 seconds.'"

F.O. T. Polling shows that Canadians who are aware of the detainee issue couldn't really give a flying...

Back to Rabble & your ilk.

Posted by: K at December 31, 2009 2:35 PM

Here's a good interview about Afstan Dec. 28 on CFRA Ottawa with the excellent Matthew Fisher of Canwest News.

Mark
Ottawa

Posted by: Mark Ottawa at December 31, 2009 2:51 PM

Taliban Jack LaytoNDP’s free advice in perspective.
…-

“Canadian stocks poised to deliver best returns in 26 years

The Toronto Stock Exchange was on track to deliver its best performance in 26 years as the market opened higher Thursday on the final day of trading for 2009.

The Toronto Stock Exchange’s benchmark index, the S&P/TSX composite, rose 45.50 points, or 0.36%, to 11,759.96 in early trading. As of Wednesday’s close, the TSX was up 30.4% for the year, after a steep 35% decline in 2008.

This year’s gains,the best since 1983, were across the board, with the heavily weighted financials, energy and materials sectors all delivering gains above 30%. Information technology was on track to recording the highest percentage gain, of 44.7%.”

http://www.canada.com/business/fp/poised+deliver+best+return+years/2395447/story.html
…-

Would you buy a used goat from Taliban Jack?

“Layton said Harper’s statement to “look for bargains” shows he “doesn’t care” about the worries of working families and pensioners who fear they will lose their jobs and savings.

“Most Canadians are extremely concerned, and yet he’s trying to suggest that going out and gambling some of your money is the right strategy,” said Layton,”

“Dion, Layton slam Harper’s ‘opportunities’ advice amid dropping markets
‘We don’t get caught up in market panic’: Harper”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canadavotes/story/2008/10/08/dion-economy.html

Posted by: maz2 at December 31, 2009 5:15 PM

The question I have is "Why are so many of you still watching CBC news?". I stopped a long time ago, and my blood pressure is a lot lower.

Last time I looked, fewer than 900,000 people watch the National on any given night. Let's not boost their numbers any more than we have to.

Posted by: KevinB at December 31, 2009 8:44 PM

"Now, wouldn't it be great if Rex Murphy was appointed as one of the new senators?" --
Hey, how about the new GG.

Posted by: LindaL at December 31, 2009 9:33 PM

Neither the senate nor the GG, please. Rex is too valuable to be shelved like that.

Posted by: Louise at December 31, 2009 9:47 PM

Lindal and Louise both have great ideas, even if they contrast.

Posted by: larben at December 31, 2009 10:36 PM

It's an interesting poll that I looked at the other day. 60% of the Americans polled voted for Water-boarding as a means of extracting info. from the latest idiot "bomb in his pants" terrorist.
30% said no and 10% didn't know.

Given the option of mucking up the mind of some suicide bomber or killing men, women and children, it's a no brainer for me. But then I'd shoot the pr!@k when I was done with him. Not that I have an opinion.

Posted by: Pat at January 1, 2010 3:13 AM

Like good wine or Scotch Rex Murphy gets better the longer he's around.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 1, 2010 3:13 AM

These two sum it up for me:
Sasquatch:"... the Geneva Protocol re un-uniformed combatants(illegal combatants)....summary execution."
Illiquid Assets: "Solution is a new policy of "No Prisoners", simple and easily implemented."

- works for me!

Karl: "T" might also stand for Traitor!

Posted by: RockyViewRedneck at January 1, 2010 3:24 AM

Shamrock @ 11:21:

Hey T...STFU you ignoramus.


I think you made a typo; should have been ignoranus, which my Revised Devil's Dictionary defines as "someone who is not only stupid, but also an a$$hole."

Posted by: Alienated at January 2, 2010 1:47 AM

"Killer Jolt" Ujjal Dosonjh, MP, Vancouver South, is the member of parliament who knows most about "torture", after all, he is the former BC Provincial NDP Justice Minister who first allowed BC police to use tasers in Canada to "electrically torture homeboys" and he is now the member of parliament who is leading the charge to undermine Canadian Service personnel in Afghanistan.

I wish a bunch of you posting here would get a life .... we turned Afghans and Arabs over to the Afghans BECAUSE WE DID NOT WANT TO TURN THEM OVER TO THE FRGING AMERICANS! WE REASONED THAT THE AFGHAN GOVERNMENT COULD NOT BE WORSE THEN THE YANKEES.

Who the hell do you think wants to admit that in an open meeting in Ottawa? Who do you think should say that? Who wants to publicly offend an ally when half of our silly country think they should have been allowed to vote for jive talking B. M. Obama (remember Obama was going to stop torture in the US - but, surprise, he increased authorizations of it since then)?

We believed then (and very likely had some very good evidence of) that the Americans were torturing prisoners .... most certainly the Americans were holding hundreds of prisoners without exercising due process and we had a choice, keep the prisoners, kill our prisoners or turn them over to the civil authority of the country we were assisting.

We took the path of least resistance and turned the prisoners over to the existing state authority. It, in all of the circumstances, was the best that we could do.

The other day, we lost another 4 good young men to a group of murdering bastards. We lost too, a young woman from Calgary to killers who judge us on our unwillingness to finish the job .... the idiots in Ottawa's opposition benches encourage the killers into a belief that we are weak and encourage those killers to increase attacks against our young people.

Mr. Dosonjh, I suggest you and yours save the questions until after our young men come home.

Posted by: Lawrence A, Oshanek at January 3, 2010 12:28 AM
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