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December 16, 2009

Reader Tips

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. Tonight, for your delectation and courtesy of a special request from SDA LNR listener Joe Molnar, here are Dan Fogelberg and the boys performing Same Auld Lang Syne ¤ (7:50).

Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments.

Posted by Vitruvius at December 16, 2009 12:01 AM

Comments

Copenhagen
A good question for today would be whether a fraud on the scale of the one being consummated at the Copenhagen "Earth summit" has even been attempted before in human history.

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/

Posted by: Revnant Dream at December 15, 2009 11:31 PM

Things that p#@@ me off.

Newspapers that allow comments, but show them new to old with no option to view from old to new. If you want to be part of the conversation, or even follow it, you have to go to the last comment and go through them backwards. I think this is a part of how they inherently think, themselves. They expect everyone to simply spout an opinion without any reflection or awareness of what has gone before. Is this simply a liberal condition or what?

Posted by: Wayne at December 16, 2009 12:26 AM

David Warren's piece has a very sda-ism to it. A regular reader, Kate ?

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at December 16, 2009 12:35 AM

Did you all catch Lizzie May talking with Roy Green today? If not, you can listen to it here, beginning at 7:10.

Am I the only one who missed the press release when she appointed herself as Official Science Reporter to Canadians? I mean, seriously, does she REALLY take herself seriously or does she have a comedy act on the side?

Warning: Make sure no hot liquids or sharp objects are nearby when you start listening!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 12:58 AM

Did you all catch Lizzie May talking with Roy Green today? If not, you can listen to it here beginning at 7:10: http://www.corusradio.com/Shared/AudioVault/CKNWAMaudioVault.asp?VaultDate=20091215&VaultTime=19&mysubmit=Listen

Am I the only one who missed the press release when she appointed herself as Official Science Reporter to Canadians? I mean, seriously, does she REALLY take herself seriously or does she have a comedy act on the side?

Warning: Make sure no hot liquids or sharp objects are nearby when you start listening!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 1:02 AM

From Moncton, NB, Monday :

"In a twist of irony, participants in the International Day of Action on Climate Change rally in Moncton Saturday had to brave temperatures of -9C (48F) and chilly winds gusting to 70 kilometres (43 miles) an hour."

This first sentence took more than a twist of courage from an employee of the Irvings. These days, their journals have been toeing the climate alarmism line.

http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/889005

Posted by: Manny at December 16, 2009 1:36 AM

This looks like a very interesting documentary - Al Gore and Micheal Moore get nicely toasted in it. Did you know that Moore has a quite extensive stock portfolio, including shares in Halliburton? Say it ain't so!

Do As I Say

Posted by: Monique at December 16, 2009 1:36 AM

Economist Paul Samuelson has died, aged 94.

He was a liberal and a Keynes follower, and the Associated Press obituary in the Globe and Mail on Monday contains this quote: "In the old-fashioned laissez-faire economy, prosperity was indeed a fragile blossom. But for a modern 'mixed economy' in the post-Keynesian era, fiscal and monetary policies can definitely prevent chronic slumps, can offset automation or under-consumption, can insure that resources find paying work opportunities."

This is absolute nonsense. Laissez-faire relies on the voluntary actions of every individual with regard to the trade of goods and services for mutual benefit. What Samuelson and others like him believe is that government coercion can lead to better results than the freely chosen decisions of the populace. In other words, a self-appointed elite gets to push everybody around. He is claiming is that government officials are infallible. But we've seen chronic economic problems over the past couple of decades due primarily to an explosion of economic regulations and an expansion of the number of unproductive government employees carrying out exactly what Samuelson advocates, plus the taxes needed to pay their inflated government-union wages (at least in Canada).

Prosperity under laissez-faire is a sure thing, although it comes incrementally because there are no magic wands to wave and bring it about instantly (and note that automation is largely responsible for higher standards of living). Socialism leads to economic basket cases - as the evidence, both from theory and in practice, clearly indicates.

Posted by: nv53 at December 16, 2009 1:58 AM

The article referenced supra by Manny, in the Times & Transcript, says that -9 °C equals 48 °F. Of course, in practice it turns out that +9 °C equals 48 °F. Minus 9 °C equals 16 °F. Now you may well say, but Vitruvius, it's a simple arithmetic mistake, anyone can make it. No. I disagree. The mistake that has clearly been made here is a lack of understanding of the difference between positive numbers and negative numbers. And we should be listening to their prescriptions about public policy? Nonsense. They should be shot for the crime of wanton felony audacity. Misdemeanor audacity? Sure, I understand. But this goes beyond that.

Posted by: Vitruvius at December 16, 2009 2:12 AM

In the Toronto Star on Monday, Chris Zelkovich listed "6 ugly moments on TV in 2009".

The last one was this: "When ESPN college football announcer Chris Spielman follows a NASCAR promo by asking the whereabouts of Juan Pablo Montoya, analyst Bob Griese replies that he was 'out having a taco'".

I presume the objection involves finding some kind of racism in the remark. Apparently it's racist to think that a Latin American would eat food normally associated with Latin America (tacos are Mexican, as far as I know, while Wikipedia says Montoya is from Colombia).

Should we not be praising comments like this as part of the manifestation of multiculturalism? What if Griese had said the driver was out for some haggis?

It is irrational to call for the celebration of diversity or difference, then criticize those who take note of it as in this case. But then the purpose of political correctness is to develop an arbitrary authority with "racism offences", without regard for rationality, isn't it?

Posted by: nv53 at December 16, 2009 2:14 AM

A Toronto Star editorial Monday calls for the municipalities around the city to work together to climb out of the recession. It notes that the province's minister of economic development has spent the past month promoting the idea of an economic development agency representing the entire GTA (greater Toronto area). Even the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) has called for "stronger co-ordination of economic development" in the GTA.

But an economy should properly be based on the voluntary trade of goods and services for mutual benefit between individuals. All of these ministries and "development agencies" rely on coercion, through the taxes required to pay for the officials and then in the hare-brained schemes they frequently come up with.

These bodies are exactly the kind of unproductive, parasitic government that I constantly criticize. They cannot improve on the free market, because coercion is not a substitute for the voluntary decisions of individuals looking after their own lives. They are a complete waste of money. Our economy started to go downhill when governments decided to create "ministries of economic development".

The editorial also notes that a single marketing agency promoting investment across the GTA would be better than the current balkanized approach. But government should not be in the business of marketing economic investment at all. These too are parasitic, unproductive government jobs that detract from economic production and lower the standard of living. Like the development agencies and departments, they only exist because greedy politicians want more tax revenue so that they can pretend to help lots of people through handout programs and get themselves re-elected.

Posted by: nv53 at December 16, 2009 2:36 AM

Here's a primmer from Ed Kilgore on how to argue any issue from a Leftist perspective: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/12/why-are-people-caring-less-and-less.html

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 2:40 AM

Robert W Van.
Dizzy Lizzy was on for about 12 or 15 minutes. I had to work hard to listen for the full session. When she was done I felt that it was 12 or 15 minutes of my life wasted and I could never get it back. I give Roy Green points for giving her the time to prove to a lot of people what an idiot she really is.

Posted by: Rob C at December 16, 2009 3:01 AM

24 hours ago Vancouverites were promised that our city would be covered in snow. It never arrived. In fact, it wasn't really even cold today. Yet other folks in the climate biz assure us that they're absolutely sure that the Earth will be destroyed by Climate Change if we don't act now. Hmmm, what's wrong with this picture?!?

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 3:03 AM

Rob, my sincere apologies. I did warn you about hot liquids & sharp objects. True though, I forgot to tell you that you would never get that time in your life back again. Sorry. :-(

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 3:12 AM

Excellent article by Mr. Warren - he is, and always has been a sane voice in the milling manics that swirl, twist and twirl in the underbelly of msm.

David wrote for Western Standard Magazine until it was forced to close down. He has always been of the sda ilk, ron in kelowna.

Posted by: Jema54 at December 16, 2009 3:21 AM

Have you all seen this article at CBC Pravda: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2009/12/15/prentice-oil-sands.html#socialcomments

Here's a highly rated comment. I think it might be Heather Mallick incognito:

For the first time in my life, I am embarrassed to be Canadian. I am embarrassed by my government and their flat-earth politics that cater to the oil industry.

And not just in terms of their backwardness regarding the pollution of our air and water. I am embarrassed at their policy of squandering our valuable oil reserves.

Other countries retain the ability to ensure that their reserves are extracted in a responsible manner that benefits the current and future citizens of their country. Our industry lapdogs sell it off to the highest investing foreign investor to extract as quickly as they wish. The foreign company gets the profits, we get one, maybe two, generations of wages.

I am embarrassed of what this country is becoming as our apathy permits the conservative lapdogs to sell out our reputation and non-renewable riches.

I tell my kids we live in the greatest country on earth. But, even at 7 years old, my son is already starting to question the flat-earth attitude. I guess the next thing to tell him is that, sometimes, the selfish greed of a few that don't give a damn about future generations can rule the day.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 3:27 AM

Anne Applebaum is no right-wing conservative but she also knows more than a little about the USSR and the dark shadow of totalitarianism it cast over the world for half a century. It's therefore not surprising that she has broken step with the Gore-Suzuki-Mallick-Francis Enviro-Zealots and penned this brilliant editorial: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/14/AR2009121402719.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

I've read a lot of criticisms of it by Leftists frothing at the mouth!

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 3:46 AM

Okay, my last post for the night (when everyone else seems to be asleep) ...

Religiously I often describe myself as either "A Recovering Catholic" or "Agnostic". But I think I've seen some evidence that:

1. God exists.
2. God definitely has a sense of humour.

Here's the evidence! :-)

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 4:13 AM

While driving home from the oils sands tonight (trying to make a living…just saying) I heard a Copenhagen report on CBC radio that almost put me in the ditch. I can't remember the exact statement but it was succinct and serious. Basically, the reporter stated that, with China's single party form of government, they could make environmental improvements that democracies could only dream of. He even referred to democratic countries as being "pesky." I couldn't believe it.

Posted by: DaveR at December 16, 2009 4:42 AM

Tried posting this earlier but didn't get picked up. Maybe Kate didn't like the last line. Try again one last time here on 'late night' with the odd typo fixed.

...in town till Thursday, try the veal....

(With apologies to Lewis Carroll)

The sun was shining on the sea.
The temper-ture went high.
“With CO2 (a greenhouse gas), we’ll make those humans fry.”
And this was very odd because it was a silly lie.

The moon was shining best she could.
She wanted in the game.
Cause everybody else was there: Copenhagen fame.
"If politicians buy this crap, then I can do the same."

The sea was hot and rising fast.
No rise could be contained.
You could not see a cloud because, they couldn’t be explained.
No models captured cloud’s effect.
Their impact was distained.

"The time has come," said Mr. Gore
"To talk of many things:
Of polar bears and melting ice
Of hockey sticks, tree rings.
And why the sea is boiling hot.
And whether pigs have wings."

Al and Phil and Michael Mann stood on the shrinking sand.
They wept like anything to see their ‘industry’ disband.
"If realists would just shut up, we’d keep the upper hand.”

“If seven peers around the world reviewed for half a year.
Do you suppose, just possibly, that we’d be in the clear?"
“Of course we will cause we’re in charge.”
And all began to leer.

"O lemmings come and talk with us!"
Alarmists did beseech.
“A billion here, a billion there will save your flooded beach.
We’ll save each little third-world fief.
We’ll give a hand to each”

A few wise oysters looked at them but little could they say.
To buck the trend would lose them place.
Careers would go away.
So only few, whose backbones grew, would enter in the fray.

But lots of preppies hurried up.
“We gotta save the earth!
The rich folks, they can pay the freight.
We can’t, we lack net-worth.”
And carbon tax will turn the trick.
To stimulate rebirth

"But wait a bit," the lemmings cried,
"If we’re to have our chat.
Consensus must be reached by all.
We can’t abide fiat!"
“We gotta hurry up”, said Al.
“There ain’t no time for that.”

"Vichyssoise”, said heads of state
"Is what we chiefly need.
Caviar and good red wine and limos, planes and greed.
Now if you're ready, countries all, we can begin to feed."

"But not on us!" the lemmings cried, turning a little grey.
“Schemes like this are mighty fine so long as others pay.”
“Well that’s ok”, said all the host.
“Cap and trades the way.”

"It seems a shame," said Phil to Mike
"To play a nature trick,
After we've led them on for years
And made them dance a lick."
And Al said: “I know what to do.
I’ll make another flick"

“O lemmings," said the climate three
“We’ve had a pleasant run.
So on we go, the earth’s aglow, support us till were done.”
But few remained behind the cause.
They'd buggered every one.

Posted by: T. Walrus and T. Carpenter at December 16, 2009 5:06 AM

Robert in Vancouver


And not just in terms of their backwardness regarding the pollution of our air and water. I am embarrassed at their policy of squandering our valuable oil reserves.

Other countries retain the ability to ensure that their reserves are extracted in a responsible manner that benefits the current and future citizens of their country. Our industry lapdogs sell it off to the highest investing foreign investor to extract as quickly as they wish. The foreign company gets the profits, we get one, maybe two, generations of wages.


I guess you will have to travel to Saudi where they stabilize sand dunes by spraying oil on them , or Russian oilfields with hulking wrecks of facilities left to rust. or any of the middle east countries where the bulk of the gas is flared.or Libya were salt water disposal is into a pond.

Posted by: cal2 at December 16, 2009 5:30 AM

YOUR conservatist gubbamint of steve-o harpoon just defeated bill C201 which would have made more pension money available to veterans and retired RCMP personnel.

3w.legion.ca/ServiceBureau/advocacy_e.cfm

SDA and the rabid right wing is crammed full of hypocrisy and this is further proof of that.

Posted by: curious_george at December 16, 2009 5:59 AM

Monique, Michael Moore is a multi-millionaire who, apparently, lives on the upper east side of Manhattan (very chi-chi neighbourhood; Woody Allen lives nearby) and sends, or sent, his kids to private schools.

This guy, like Al Gore, lives the high life but pretends to be just an ordinary joe -- and, of course, dresses like a slob to make the point.

Shysters, the lot of them: Do as I say, not as I do. May their furnaces break down on the coldest days of winter. (Of course, they'll probably have flown south in their private jets the day before ...)

Posted by: batb at December 16, 2009 6:56 AM

jema54, before appearing in the Western Standard, one of the few magazines on my husband's and my subscription list, the other being First Things, David Warren was a real presence at The Idler, to which we subscribed through the '80s until it closed down in 1993.

David Warren is eccentric, to say the least, but a brilliant analyst who should be much more widely read in Canada. Of course, he's a sane voice crying in the wilderness -- much too sane for the Canadian media to want to take much notice. He SHOULD be on CBC/CTV panels, but that's just asking too much, I guess.

Posted by: batb at December 16, 2009 7:14 AM

David Warren WAS on some TVO panels, but his honesty—bluntly, knowledgably, and intelligently stated—was just too much for them. I think Steve Paikin needed smelling salts, and Warren was quickly dropped!

(David Warren started The Idler and was its proprietor.)

Posted by: lookout at December 16, 2009 8:23 AM

Robert W - And just what is it in Roman Catholicism that you feel you must recover from? Am merely curious, and must away to work, but I've heard the term before and I usually dismiss it judging from whom I hear it.

Posted by: larben at December 16, 2009 8:26 AM

"Window Blind Warning

Health Canada is warning people about the dangers of window blinds" (cfra.com)
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"World leaders try to save troubled climate talks Reuters Canada"

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 8:43 AM

Some people are just plain crazy. This one is a Canadian academic.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/thomas-the-tank-engine-is-sexist-study-20091211-ko9h.html

Thomas the Tank Engine is not to my taste, since I'm over 6, but it's pretty innocuous. More disturbing is that the academic in this piece thinks that 'punishing individual initiative' is a 'conservative political ideology.'

Posted by: John_N at December 16, 2009 9:17 AM

Robert @ 3:27. This is an example of the Marxist clap trap we continually get from CBC.

I too forever lost the minutes that I listened to Lizzie May yesterday. She just keeps running off at the mouth.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 16, 2009 9:43 AM

http://www.davidwarrenonline.com/
Posted by: 'Revnant Dream' at December 15, 2009 11:31 PM

Thanks 'Revnant Dream' for the link, well wrote and true. Recalled 'David Warren' from an interview he had with 'Kate' and her blog site of 'SDA' in late "2005"?. looked it up and henceforth have been a reader/commenter ever since.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 16, 2009 9:45 AM

Curious_george - "YOUR conservatist gubbamint of steve-o harpoon just defeated bill C201 which would have made more pension money available to veterans and retired RCMP personnel."

Pensions are a tricky issue these days, in part because many of the people footing the bill for government/public service pensions do not themselves have pensions. I think this is also why pay-equity issues seem to have less appeal -- the biggest inequity emerging is the disparity between public sector and private sector salaries/benefits for the rank and file.

By the way-- I am not a "rabid right wing" person, and I do not get the sense that most posters at sda are either.

Posted by: LindaL at December 16, 2009 10:10 AM

Greenpeace . . . what goes around, comes around.

Karma sucks for these greenies.

http://tinyurl.com/ydopswn

Posted by: Fred at December 16, 2009 10:53 AM

Keeping an air-sickness bag close at hand when reading of the "fake but true" science of AGW.

Samuel Thernstrom and Daniel Serewitz, Climate Change E-mail Scandal Underscores Myth of Pure Science

The inaccurate perception of science as "pure" and therefore able to inform policy decisions by rising above politics has created an important obstacle to successfully addressing global climate change. Individuals and groups on both ends of the political spectrum have pursued agendas that do not acknowledge the fact that divisive politics and complex science can blur the line separating one from the other. Even in light of the East Anglia e-mail scandal, scientific evidence still warrants prudent action to offset the negative effects of climate change, though the uncertainties surrounding climate change and climate policy remain crucial...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 16, 2009 11:35 AM

*Keep*

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 16, 2009 11:44 AM

I am not a "rabid right wing" person, and I do not get the sense that most posters at sda are either.
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BTW, what is a "rabid right wing" person anyway? The only frothing at the mouth persons I've ever seen are lefties?

Posted by: Louise at December 16, 2009 11:57 AM

O'narcissist* & "his party’s progressives."

Leftist-socialists-liberals = "progressives".

"*This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
...-

"Angry liberals: Why didn't Obama fight?
Politico ^

More than anything else in Barack Obama’s presidency so far, health reform has exposed a get-a-deal-at-any-cost side of Obama that infuriates his party’s progressives."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2408775/posts
...-

O'narcissist:

"The "small people", the "rank and file", the "loyal soldiers" of the narcissist - his flock, his nation, his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of the narcissist. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 12:02 PM

Socialist TC Douglas page at the Greatest Canadian/Father of Medicare webbsite hosted by the PET Cemetery, critics say, survey shows errors.
...-

"39 Quebecers wrongly treated for breast cancer

CBC.ca - ‎58 minutes ago‎
Thirty-nine Quebec women with breast cancer did not receive the right chemotherapy treatment because of erroneous pathology tests, the province's Health Ministry has confirmed."

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 12:14 PM

For my good friend bleet:

But it's interesting that when Massachusetts Democrat Michael Capuano, fresh from a second-place finish in the primary for Edward Kennedy's Senate seat, was asked to tell the Democratic caucus what he had learned on the campaign trail, he replied in two words: "You're screwed."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-rumbling-discontent_-Dems-head-for-the-exits-8660117-79354837.html

Posted by: tim in vermont at December 16, 2009 12:34 PM

curious george,
why should the government increase pension spending for those that may not have made sufficient contributions? These people didn't think they'd live that long? I am not doubting the vets and retired RCMP's contributions to our society, only that I see no reason for the government to pay them more than they've put into their pension fund.
If they had saved more, invested wisely, they wouldn't need a government to hold their hand, and you'll find this applies to any individuals in the near sacred special interest groups that retire as well. Like teachers, nurses... hey go figure, they're all the government employees, that generally don't work until they're 65, like in the real world.
I think all pension funds should be privatized. You'd know where you stand, without blaming big government.
I guess that makes me rabidly right wing. :)

Posted by: marc in calgary at December 16, 2009 12:37 PM

"DOE sends a “litigation hold notice” regarding CRU to employees – asking to “preserve documents”"

"DOE-SR has received a “Litigation Hold Notice” from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) General Council and the DOE Office of Inspector General regarding the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in England. Accordingly, they are requesting that SRNS, SRR and other Site contractors locate and preserve all documents, records, data, correspondence, notes, and other materials, whether official or unofficial, original or duplicative, drafts or final versions, partial or complete that may relate to the global warming, including, but not limited to, the contract files, any related correspondence files, and any records, including emails or other correspondence, notes, documents, or other material related to this contract, regardless of its location or medium on which it is stored. In other words, please preserve any and all documents relevant to “global warming, the Climate Research Unit at he University of East Anglia In England, and/or climate change science.”"

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/14/doe-sends-a-litigation-hold-notice-regarding-cru-to-employees-asking-to-preserve-documents/

When will the Canadian government follow suit?

Posted by: Stan at December 16, 2009 1:12 PM

Check out the other clips of this extraordinary young violinist as well. You'll be well rewarded.

Hilary Hahn, Bach Violin Sonata No. 2 Part 1

Hilary Hahn plays Bach's Violin Sonata No. 2 Grave at the Verbier Festival, 2007.

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at December 16, 2009 2:26 PM

larben, thanks for your question.

First & foremost, what I said was intended as a joke. "Recovering from guilt & fear" can equally be applied to Jews, Muslims, Italians, Indians, and Chinese folks!

In my younger years and throughout much of my teens I was a very devout Roman Catholic. Even thought about becoming a priest, but then realized I liked women way too much! ;-)

Anyhow, in my late teens & early twenties I started asking questions and didn't like the answers I was getting back, so I fell away from the church.

I have tried going back to the occasional mass - in Vancouver, in Chicago, in Hawaii, & in Mexico. I very much appreciate the ceremony of it all but it has no spiritual resonance with me. I feel much more spiritually connected walking by the ocean, through a forest, or hiking up a mountain.

Please know though I have great admiration for my friends who are devout __________ (fill in the blank). I admire their commitment to attending their religious services, I admire the community they have established therein, and I admire that such participation brings them the spiritual connection they're seeking. It just doesn't work for me.

Please also know that NO ONE is a louder defender of Christianity & Christians than me. I have lost several friends over this issue when I politely pointed out to them that their animosity toward Christians was pretty much on the same level as racism. They didn't like to have this ugly truth put in their face, and certainly their Lefty secular friends would never do it. But I simply wouldn't tolerate their constant attacks against a faith that many other friends of mine belong to.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 2:58 PM

O'narcissist's civil war: the left is a cannibal.

"*Let the Democratic civil war begin."

"This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder." (o.c.)
...-

"*Collapse: AFL-CIO, SEIU hold emergency meetings, may oppose ObamaCare

The purple people-beaters already dropped out of an event to promote the bill earlier today. Now this. Dude, it’s like the KISS army turning on Gene Simmons. Let the Democratic civil war begin. Though there’s no official word yet, early indications based on talks with various officials are that the groups will either formally oppose the legislation or, less dramatically, just not fight very hard to ensure its passage.

(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2409026/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 4:29 PM

George, you mean like the two times that the Martin and Chretien Liberals defeated (by letting it die on the order paper, like virtually every private members bill) Peter Stoffer's private members bill on military/RCMP pensions?

Posted by: AtlanticJim at December 16, 2009 4:31 PM

"Now the Russians confirm that UK climate scientists manipulated data to exaggerate global warming

Climategate just got much, much bigger. And all thanks to the Russians who, with perfect timing, dropped this bombshell just as the world’s leaders are gathering in Copenhagen to discuss ways of carbon-taxing us all back to the dark ages.

Feast your eyes on this news release from Rionovosta, via the Ria Novosti agency, posted on Icecap. (Hat Tip: Richard North)

A discussion of the November 2009 Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, referred to by some sources as “Climategate,” continues against the backdrop of the abortive UN Climate Conference in Copenhagen (COP15) discussing alternative agreements to replace the 1997 Kyoto Protocol that aimed to combat global warming.

The incident involved an e-mail server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, East England. Unknown persons stole and anonymously disseminated thousands of e-mails and other documents dealing with the global-warming issue made over the course of 13 years.

Controversy arose after various allegations were made including that climate scientists colluded to withhold scientific evidence and manipulated data to make the case for global warming appear stronger than it is.

Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.

The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory. Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2408987/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 4:37 PM

Q: What constitutes a "prominent" Canadian activist?

A: Having the moniker "Maude Barlow" on your S.I.N. card.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Climate+protesters+threatened+with+dogs+Copenhagen+Canadian+activist+says/2346980/story.html

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 4:38 PM

Good answer Robert W. - guilt and fear; I love 'em!

Posted by: larben at December 16, 2009 7:55 PM

Interesting news from Seattle

I cannot quite think of the correct word to describe how incredible it is that we Canadians need the help of our American friends to dole out the kind of sentences to hardened criminals that a majority of citizens are demanding. Perhaps "irony" comes close but isn't quite right.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 16, 2009 8:25 PM

"O tempora o mores*!" O NYSlimes.
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"(New York) Times Layoffs: Salkin, Konigsberg, Rimer, and More (Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™)

It's a "pretty grim atmosphere" over at the Times today, when layoffs are coming down from on high as the paper tries to reach the 100-person editorial cut it announced earlier this fall. While 74 staff members took the buyout, that left 26 to go. Layoffs have been ongoing all day, sources tell us, with the unlucky few people called upstairs out of the newsroom — where now people are "standing around in clumps and obviously talking about everything." Here's the list of names that we know so far who have gotten the ax, and their departments:

Eric Konigsberg — Culture Sara Rimer — National Christine Hauser — Metro Josh Barbanel — Real Estate Mitch Blumenthal — Continuous News Kate Galbraith — Business Allen Salkin — Styles Monica Evanchik — Web

Barbanel is married to Times writer Anemona Hartocollis, who remains on staff. "They both came to work today with jobs, and one of them went home without one," observed one writer. "Not that that should mean some kind of job security, but it's kind of fucked up." Salkin was another surprise, as he contributes a cover story almost every week to "Styles." But the cut that's sparking the most buzz is Konigsberg, who was brought to the paper to be a "Metro" editor and also wrote the "Age of Riches" series. He was later lured to the "Culture" section by Sam Sifton, who was recently made food critic for the paper. "Eric basically lost his rabbi," said a co-worker. "He's a completely elegant writer ... People around here are in shock over it."

We'll keep you updated as we hear more names."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2409216/posts

(*H/T Cicero)

Posted by: maz2 at December 16, 2009 8:59 PM

CBC has a video upwhere they interview one of the protesters in Copenhagen. It is the same woman that was involved in the protest in the HofC that had the fellow with the phony blood on his face(3 hours later). This woman gets around. I wonder how long it will be before she becomes an actual CBC reporter.She has all the essentials;visible minority,'progressive'outlook,female,and readily distorts the facts.

Posted by: wallyj at December 16, 2009 9:30 PM

I suppose the link might prove useful;-http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/player.html?clipid=1360465607--

Posted by: wallyj at December 16, 2009 9:32 PM

Here's a quote from the linked article suggested by Charles MacDonald @ 11:35 a.m.:

"... we write neither to attack nor to defend the East Anglia scientists, but to make clear that the ideal of pure science as a source of truth that can cut through politics is false."

In general, politics and science should have very little to do with each other. One problem with science-and-politics is that when some scientist claims to have discovered that some molecule or other is good for human health, the politicians start legislating it into our food. Then when another scientist finds out a few years later that the molecule isn't so nutritious after all, or causes hitherto unforeseen health problems, it's still in the food for years because politicians are slow to act.

In a free society, there are no regulations requiring specific additives to food, no matter how beneficial. The scientists do their work; it gets reported to the public; individual companies may or may not put certain additives into their food products; and consumers have a choice whether or not to purchase them based on the information they have. No politics necessary, or desirable.

Having said that, since the environment cannot entirely look after itself (because air is "free"), and since pollution can be hazardous to the health of unsuspecting citizens, I don't think it's unreasonable to have a government authority with some oversight. But when they get stampeded into rash action based on an ironically named "precautionary principle", you know something's wrong.

Posted by: nv53 at December 17, 2009 12:37 AM

Anemona Hartocollis? You've got to be kiddin'? I don't think that's even Jewish, is it? The rest certainly appear to be. Must be a major putsch!

Posted by: larben at December 17, 2009 8:24 AM
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