And the editors too!

Anyone I talked too that got the shot, came away with nothing but a sore arm. I told all that they were injecting a lowjack into their system for the gov. to track them. lol.

The gov'ts made such a "balls-up" of the delivery systems, that I decided not to have the shot. Granted, I am not in the age groups most susceptible to H1N1, but I am healthy with a good immune system. I think a lot of people came to this decision as well.

I'd pump a bolus into the likes of Carolyn Bennett and a few other opposition howlers who made a giant contribution to mass confusion, striking fear in the public, a dangerous act IMO aided and abetted by their buddies in the media.

I would think that the feral I mead federal opposition politicians could inject each other with it just keep up their nastiness.

Another giant scam brought to you by the powers that be.
When are the sheeple going to stop falling for the giant fear scams? Everyone line up like good little sheep and let us inject you. It won't hurt a bit......

What was the scare for?
For all the "wonders" of socialised medicine and he enormous amounts of bureaucrats, you'd think at some point they would devise a set of protocols for a contagion.
Nope.
I want my money back.

"but I am healthy with a good immune system"

That can actually be your undoing. It is suspected that cytokine storms contribute to many deaths related to H1N1, and that's why the average age of death is so low.

And Who started the pandemic fears? WHO is the directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system.

Another debacle brought to you by those world government geniuses at the UN!

give hedy fry a bucket full and maybe an extra shot for ruby

What an eloquently simple title.
I don't really need the read anything else about the matter, since the title is about all you really need to know...

What an eloquently simple title.
I don't really need the read anything else about the matter, since the title is about all you really need to know...

Bennett & friends should get it right in the ass!

These are just test runs to see how many of the sheeple are on board and then try and figure out the next step in corralling in a few more the next time a "pandemic" is in the wings.

I just hope that when there is something that is really serious happening we aren't all inoculated with these false starts. Maybe that's how the brights can get rid of 2/3 of the world's population in one fell swoop?

Am I too cynical???

Another scare, debunked. How long until all the news companies are out of the news business from crying "WOLF!!!" one too many times?

Faster please.

Yep...another media-fed frenzy,with all the trimmings added by Bennett and Co.

But they were only playing in to the minds of the eager Canadians too lazy to fact check, and all too ready to scream out for help from the government, instaed of taking personal responsiblity for their own lives.

tewchip...not too far off.

It kinda shows that while just about 100% of the media can pump fear, 66% of the public are immune to it.

I agree with Kate on this one - dump it in the Xmas party wassail bowl of all the public sector fools who bought into this big pharma con job.

Bet there's some dandy toxins in this G-K bug juice that will light up a kleptocrat holiday shindig.

Give the extra doses of the Swine Flu vaccine to the Liberals and NDP, thereby doubling their IQ.

Pawn it off on the third World. Isn't that the usual procedure?

How long before the public's opinion of science morphs from "Chicken Little" to "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?

Dr.Carolyn Bennett will require rabies shots as well,delivered by turkey baster.Wackey Bennett actually foams at the mouth with her faux outrage and over the top rage.It's a good thing that she is really a veteinarian as she would be dangerous as a MD.

Why is it that Liberals, Bob Rae, Carolyn Bennet have any credibility at all. Mere weeks ago, before the Afghan prisoners scandal came along, Rae was accusing the PM of presiding over a pandemic for Canadians. Dr.Bennet was beside herself over unpreparedness of the Health minister. Desperately seaking the scandal, any scandal that will show Conservatives in a bad light.

Howz about mixing it into the punch at the LPC Holiday party and see how much John McCallum can handle?

Syncro

Maybe they could make thermometers with all that mercury.

So the leftist UNophiles tried to take over the spotlight for a pandemic that wasn't and all the MSM, Liberal, and NDP huffing and puffing that there were going to be dead bodies everywhere and it's all Harper's fault crashed and burned again. Wonder if the remaining doses will now be given pure.

That still leaves the fact that governments are in no hurry to put in place the costly supply programs and production overcapacity that would be needed to mass produce vaccine quickly enough to successfully combat a real fast moving pandemic.

Bev Thompson on Can.AM should get a double shot right in the yap for the really disrespectful way she treated Min.Agluukak.Disgusting performance.

it's called conditioning of the sheeple peeple

soon they will just sneeze and half the world will line up for what ever

Google Pharmcetaucil college of Candada+H1N1 deaths = typical flu.....get it quick before they can hide the 18 to 22 times more deaths from seasonal fluthen H1N1....yeah...it's a pig story alright!

WHO ‘Mr Flu’ under investigation
for gross conflict of interest
http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2009/1208.html

The man with the nickname “Dr Flu”, Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria. Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

What is the total cost to the Canadian taxpayer, at provincial and federal levels, for this latest WHO/UN/MSM manufactured "crisis"? ......where can one find such data?

Excellent suggestion Kate!

The H1N1 insanity was just a mini version of what we are seeing with global warming.

If I had an NDP government there's no way I'd report for any injection they might recommend. The Liberals have been weaving back and forth across that same line in the sand.

chris @ 9:36, good question. It seems like one fraud after another.

Maybe that's how the brights can get rid of 2/3 of the world's population in one fell swoop?
Am I too cynical???
~glacierman

Not too cynical.
I concur.

The flip side is that they could release a killer virus and be sure that the only survivors would be the sheep that show up for the vaccine.
Then the sheep would be supremely loyal and grateful to be ruled over.

In ancient times, shepherds would catch frequently straying lambs and break one of their legs, bind it, and carry the lamb on their shoulders until the leg healed.
The lamb would never stray afterward.

How long before the public's opinion of science morphs from "Chicken Little" to "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"?
~KevinB

It already looks like the governments have a wee bit of a credibility crisis with half the vaccine left unused.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
~Abraham Lincoln

The more the government is seen as treating people like fools, the more people there are that can't be fooled again and again.
It hurts their pride.
Changing the face of government won't get their credibility back, either.

Trust is like virginity, easy to lose and impossible to get back.

Chris, I don't have the exact numbers, but I recall reading that it was in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

Even Tiger Woods called H1N1 over-reporting.

H1N1 and the hype surrounding it was just another act of conditioning by an "international" organization, seeing how much money can be sucked from gov'ts through "fear" and the "immediacy" to act... where else are we hearing that? Hmmm.

I suspect the media turned a small profit from it too... more viewers, and a slight jump in ad revenue, something that they've been starving for.

Jesus.

The pseudo-science that some people are getting on with here is enough to make one retch.

By the way some are acting...you'd think getting a shot in the arm to protect yourselves, your families and those around you with weaker immune systems (or diseases that make them susceptible to respiratory illnesses - think cystic fibrosis) was akin to donating a lung.

Man it up already: Large-scale vaccination programs are good public health policy and they save lives.

The best thing that could be done with the current H1N1 vaccine is to discard it as I have never seen a vaccine with as many side effects as the H1N1 vaccine. Patients of mine have ended up in hospital with vaccine side effects and others ended up coming to my clinic because of side effects but weren't sick enough to hospitalize. I'm trying to find time to go through my notes to isolate the patients with side effects and get an idea of how many additional office visits the H1N1 vaccine resulted in as well as how much additional lab work was ordered to investigate worsening of conditions caused by the vaccine.

The reason for the very high side-effect rate is the use of squalene as an adjuvent. Normally the influenza vaccine has 25 micrograms of antigen/dose; the H1N1 vaccine has 2.5 micrograms. With regular seasonal influenza vaccine I see almost no side effects. I routinely get side effects from it but the last less than 24 hours. Squalene is a non-specific stimulant of the immune system and the reasoning was that one could get away with 1/10 of the dose of antigen and thus stretch a limited vaccine supply considerable.

If one bings squalene, tens of thousands of references to gulf war syndrome come up. I've looked at a few of these sites which seemed reasonable and, IMHO, there are very strong reasons to avoid squalene as an adjuvent. What is really interesting is when one does a search on a private medical search engine (I use Ebsco which is provided for free by the BC College of Physicians) and only ONE reference to squalene and gulf war syndrome pops up. Of course this paper purports to show there is no connection but I found a detailed dissection and trashing of this paper on one of the squalene/gulf war syndrome sites which was credible.

The drug company producing the vaccine claims that 10 million doses of squalene adjuvented vaccine were given in Europe with no adverse side effects. All I can say to this is utter BS. In talking to other doctors in town they've also noticed the huge incidence of side effects although they're more afraid of H1N1 than potential vaccine side effects. I've had one young patient die of H1N1 so it's a tough call as to what one does here.

When one does a broader search on squalene and automimmunity one finds a rate rheumatoid arthritis model which involves injecting a certain, arthritis prone, strain of rats with squalene and they develop arthritis in large numbers. Regular rats rarely have this reaction to injected squalene. I've seen 1 acute arthritis reaction from the H1N1 vaccine and have heard of another from a colleague.

My preliminary analysis of my results is that almost all of the reactions to the vaccine occurred in people who were 50 years of age or older. These people are also the most likely to have antibodies against H1N1 as it was around in 1976. (I actually did find a few patients who remembered having influenza in 1976!). When I've told my older patients about potential vaccine risks they've declined the vaccine and left with a prescription for Tamiflu (unfortunately the only antiviral available in BC now) to fill immediatelly if they feel as if they're developing influenza symptoms.

People who have autoimmune diseases such as systemic lupus (SLE) appear to be more prone to developing side effects. A couple of my SLE patients were sick for a week after the vaccine. This doesn't appear to be due to an activation of their SLE as ANA and anti-DS DNA levels didn't go up. I suspect it's just due to a non-specific immune system activation which is more likely in someone with an autoimmune disease and we can't measure cytokine levels through regular labs.

One of the reasons that official side-effect profiles of such vaccines are likely understated is that doctors don't have enough time to see all the patients that are out there let alone fill out bureaucrat designed side effect forms. I just downloaded one tonight and it is 5 pages long. One of the things they want is patient information such as name, address, etc which I can't provide without a patients consent. This means that I have to call in every patient who has developed a side effect to get their permission to use their name in filling out the form. This can't be done over the phone as I need to show them the form that I'll be sending in and see if they're OK with te information I'll be providing. I'm booked up months ahead already as are most doctors in te area.

For severe reactions, I know I'll be contacted by the regulatory agency and be asked even more questions which wastes even more time. Most doctors I've talked to have indicated they're not going to bother with this process even though they think it is one of the worst vaccines they've ever seen.

While researching this area I found quite a few papers which suggested that vaccine side effects are for more frequent than suspected. We've know for years that the H1N1 antigen can trigger Guillen-Barre syndrome, but you're just as likely to get it if you get H1N1. Heptatitis B vaccine is associated with an increased risk of MS which was surprising. New vaccines are big unknowns.

What I find very disturbing is the number of new vaccines being introduced which I do not recommend. I don't recommend varicella vaccine as I've never seen a kid have any adverse effects from chickenpox and I'd be much more concerned about the immunity wearing off later in life when a varicella infection is far more serious. I don't prescribe HPV vaccine as I have concerns that women will assume they are protected and not have regular paps in the future. When I was in medical school the prevailing dogma was that cervical cancer was caused by herpes viruses. Considering that most people have had a wart at some point during their life, then most of the population is already affected with HPV and I'm not convinced that this vaccine will do anything besides enrich drug companies. The only surefire way we know to dramatically reduce cervical cancer rates in women is total sexual abstinence. I haven't seen any of my 15 year old patients wearing chastity belts so this doesn't look like it's a very popular method.

It's my opinion that we'll look at vaccines in a few years the same way that we now look at blood transfusions. When I was in medical school, writing orders for blood transfusions was routine and I am embarrased to say that I did write orders like "transfuse 1 unit PRBC if HGB less than 100". This was a case of treating numbers and, after having experiences with Jehovah's witnesses in hospital, I've seen people survive with hemoglobins that I was taught would be fatal. When I was in medical school, HepC still hadn't been identified and was known as non-A non-B hepatitis and was considered one of the risks of getting a blood transfusion. With hindsight, I now know that probably 3/4 of the blood transfusions that were ordered 20 years ago were unnessesary. Now I really think before ordering blood for a patient unless it's an obvious case of someone bleeding out so fast that they're going to die unless they get transfused within the next half-hour.

Vaccines are a huge source of profit for drug companies when one considers that micrograms of antigen sells for $10 to $150. Vaccine side effects are likely unreported because everyone is looking for an immediate effect of the vaccine, not the development of MS or some other autoimmune disease 5 years after the vaccine was administered. Right now I stick to vaccines with a demonstrated track record of doing more good than harm which includes none of the new vaccines.

Note: if anyone has the urge to bring up autism/MMR vaccine, this link has been disproven. The most promising theory of the increase in autism rates is vitamin D deficiency. Use of high dose vitamin D has decreased autism symptoms in small studies. So if people are looking someone to blame for increase in autism rates, go after the sunscreen lobby.

Man it up already: Large-scale vaccination programs are good public health policy and they save lives.
~mark

mark, can I call you mark 'cause that's what carnies call the people who foolishly blow their money at amusement parks,...anyway, mark, you're confusing proven efficacious vaccines, like the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines or the small pox vaccine with vaccines that have not been proven to work at all.

Which vaccine has not been proven to work?
Why, that would be the flu vaccine,...mark.

http://tinyurl.com/yaf7er8

However, aside from not being effective, flu vaccines do have a bunch of really nasty chemicals in the delivery fluid that are hazardous to health.
You'll just have to copy and paste the link into your "go to" window and find out for yourself.

And wise it up already, mark.

They say the government has leftovers after receiving 24.6 mil doses. I thought they originally ordered 50 mil doses because it was thought that two doses were needed. Were they able to cancel that order or are there another 25.4 mil doses sitting in a warehouse somewhere? To bad they can't force everyone to be vaccinated just to use the darn stuff up!!

Mark states:
Man it up already: Large-scale vaccination programs are good public health policy and they save lives.

I agree with you when it comes to vaccines such as polio, tetanus and some of the older childhood vaccines. For those who are at risk, rabies vaccine can be lifesaving. Pneumococcal vaccine has been shown to decrease risk of pnuemonia in the elderly.

Influenza vaccine, unfortunately, doesn't have strong data on effectiveness. The only paper I was able to find on it showed that for employers significant cost savings could be realized when one looked at the cost of absenteeism secondary to influenza minus the cost of vaccine. I get the influenza vaccine yearly because it is free and my missing 2 weeks of work would be very costly. The influenza vaccine is only 90% effective and the effectiveness is the least in older patients. We have effective antiviral drugs and and I suspect this is more cost effective than widespread influenza vaccination. Unfortunately the majority of people don't know that antivirals are most effective if started within hours of developing symptoms (this year I discovered that there is actually an influenza prodrome) or before symptoms manifest themselves and I've had lots of frustrated patients who came in after 3 days of influenza symptoms and I had to tell them there was nothing I could do for them but treat their symptoms.

It's my opinion that vitamin D supplementation is likely the way to go to prevent influenza epidemics. I've been seeing viral culture proven H1N1 in the community where I practice since July! I'm assuming that the genetic makeup of the virus was the same in July as it was in October although I don't know if viral sequencing was routinely done. These were isolated cases and there appeared to be no easy person to person transmission like I saw mid-October when I'd be seeing entire families all with influenza. A bit of reading led to the interesting hypothesis that influenza epidemics peak when population vitamin D levels are the lowest. There has never been a large scale influenza epidemic in the summer anywhere in the world. After reading this, I began taking 10,000 IU of D3 daily starting on 1-October. I've had the H1N1 vaccine which resulted in a week of hell but I figure that before I can trash something I need to experience it myself. I'm not going to give myself the seasonal influenza vaccine this year and plan on continuing with the high dose D3 and use of Relenza if I feel influenza like symptoms coming on.

In the families that I saw, the first to be affected were almost always school age children. This is a group where I have serious concerns about future disease risks since they are all vitamin D deficient, even in an area of the country where the summers are very sunny. I have been struck by the juxtaposition of well tanned parents besides their pallid offspring. Closer questioning reveals that, following indoctrination by the suncreen lobby, the parents cover their children with sunscreen almost from birth before allowing them to go outside. Even SPF 8 sunscreen will reduce skin vitamin D production by 90% and most of the parents I've talked to use SPF 30 and higher sunscreens. This means that the children have effectively no vitamin D production in their skin unless they happen to run outside during the summer before their parents can properly prepare them for sun exposure.

These parents are trying to do the right thing and they give their kids homeopathic doses of Vitamin D during the first year of life and then stop as is recommended by the "experts". They give the kids all the recommended vaccines, half of which probably do more harm than good, and they prevent them from exposing their skin to the sun as they've been told.

Epidemics are currently modelled using a simple linear model which has been shown to be false. Reality is much more non-linear and chaotic, but the public health types have a hard time making sense of even linear relationships and totally fall apart when confronted with things that are chaotic. Linear epidemic models were disproven in the early 1990's but, as this was done by mathematicians specializing in chaos theory, no diffusion to medicine has occurred except to indivuals like myself that don't suffer from the all too prevalent mathamatophobia that afflicts the majority of physicians (although they are better than lawyers; a significant minority of lawyers have acalculia which is really scary). Prior to the development of chaos theory, Fred Hoyle, an astronomer, wrote a very interesting book entitles "Diseases from Space" in which he tried to explain the non-linear effects of various epidemics by the earth running into swarms of virii as it orbits the galactic center. An interesting read, but now Occam's razor would suggest that chaos theory is the most likely explanation.

I welcome the scepticism about vaccination that I've seen on this thread. The vaccine field really needs a shakeup and the good vaccines will survive. H1N1 vaccine may be the "tainted blood scandal" equivalent, or this role may be played by one of the new, largely unnecessary vaccines, ready to be foisted on a gullible public by big pharma.

Well said both Oz and loki.

Those of us with a brain are capable of understanding that some vaccines have value, and some don't.

That's really the point - we use our brains, and we understand a little bit about statistics so we know when we are being sold a bill of goods.

I hear Africa needs medicine....let's give it to the UN who can then give to corrupt African governments who will then sell it as Aids vacine.

The UN will of course get their kickbacks.

"Howz about mixing it into the punch at the LPC Holiday party and see how much John McCallum can handle?"

Syncro, how CRU-el.
McCallum looks like death warmed over already.

I like your idea very much, Kate. How may I help?

Cost of swine flu vaccine program hits $1.5B: report. New estimates show the vaccination program could cost more than $2 billion.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20091112/vaccine_costs_091112/20091112?hub=

loki, thank you for taking the time out of your hectic life as a GP in Canada today to express your valid concerns regarding the H1N1 vaccines.

However I don't think that is was fair of you to outright dismiss the MMR/vaccination/Autism lobby. One has to remember that twenty-seven years ago in Ontario the DPT vaccine was a "whole" vaccine manufactured by then Ontario Government owned Connaught Labs. Strange how when questions were being raised about the numerous side effects of the DPT vaccine on "CBC's Marketplace" that Connaught Labs was then sold off to a French interest. Subsequently the DPT vaccine used in Ontario became similar to the "pure" vaccine developed in Japan with a history of next to zero side effects.
My severely affected, now mute, 28 year old son with autism would love to be able to express himself the way he did prior to his April 1 1984 DPT shot.

my side effect from a flu shot 12 years ago was that I lost control of my sinuses. Either I was so plugged up for days on end or fluid poured through my nose, seemed like a litre a day. Very debilitating. It took 4 months and lots of rest to finally recover.

Chutz

True enough but I bet if you mixed the HINY vaccine with vodka and orange juice that old souse could handle a gallon or two.

Syncro

Syncro, well, when you put it that way, I'm sure your liquid kindness will be much appreciated. lol.

Next target is the Cancer Industry:

“Radiation from CT scans causing cancer: study

Diagnostic tests may be responsible for overexposure”

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Radiation+from+scans+causing+cancer+study/2341069/story.html

As soon as I found out it was WHO (the United Nations public health arm) that was sounding the alarm about H1N1, I said no way am I getting this vaccination.

Follow the money. Who's (WHO's) getting rich? The pharmaceuticals and their stockholders, many of whom, no doubt, are cheerleaders for the UN.

Pumping dope into news directors could become a worthy lucrative profession. Ask Doc Galea. He apparently has the Rx for athlete's feats. Fore.

The Health Industry.
...-

"Canadian doctor in sports doping probe

A Canadian doctor with ties to golfer Tiger Woods, sprinter Donovan Bailey and many NFL and CFL football players is under criminal investigation in the United States over suspicions that he provided athletes with performance-enhancing drugs, according to media reports.

In an article published Monday on the New York Times website, the newspaper reported that Dr. Anthony Galea was stopped at the U.S.-Canada border at the end of September with human growth hormone and Actovegin, a drug extracted from calf's blood."

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadian+doctor+sports+doping+probe/2341418/story.html

Well now that's interesting information,maz2, giving sports jocks something extracted from calf's blood.

Could that be what turned Tiger into a bull?

Posted by: loki at December 14, 2009 11:21 PM
Posted by: loki at December 15, 2009 12:10 AM

Thanks for these 2 posts.

'Kate', your headline is fantastic!. It speaks volumes.

Every inefficient, bureaucratic, top-heavy organization needs a good crisis now and then to justify its existence. A manufactured pandemic is the perfect tool in the hands of the WHO to enable it to continue its mission.

800,000 Doses of Children's H1N1 Vaccine Recalled
Tuesday, December 15, 2009
ATLANTA — Hundreds of thousands of swine flu shots for children manufactured by French drug company Sanofi Pasteur have been recalled because tests indicate the vaccine doses lost some strength, government health officials said Tuesday.

Dr. Anne Schuchat, a CDC flu expert, stressed that parents don't need to do anything or to worry. The vaccine is still safe, she said. The issue is the vaccine's strength.

"No action (is) necessary by a parent of a child who received this vaccine," said Tom Skinner, a spokesman for the CDC. "(The) only thing they need to do is make sure their child gets two doses if they're in the 6 month - 35 month age group, which is the group impacted by the recall."

Tests done before the shots were shipped showed that the vaccines were strong enough. But tests done weeks later indicated the strength had fallen slightly below required levels. Why the potency dropped isn't clear.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,580281,00.html

Double the scam, double the money.
Oh, and a nice cover story it is too if some "inoculated" child comes down with the flu.

Fool me once, shame on you,
fool me twice, shame on me.