and let the "bastards freeze in the dark"

h/t p lougheed

Yeah well, I've seen better shoulders on a propane bottle.

Alberta says that it won’t shoulder the burden of Quebec and Ontario.
For too long their contributions to Parliament have violated section 91 of the Constitution Act, namely –making laws for good government.

Until this moment
I have been forced
to listen while media
and politicians alike
have told me
"Ontario, Quebec say they won’t shoulder oil sands burden"*

To paraphrase Kate:

"Until this moment I have been forced to listen while media and politicians alike have told me
'what Ontarians think'.

In all that time they never once asked.

This is just the voice of an ordinary Ontarian
yelling back at the radio - 'You don't speak for me.'"

* Though they were happy enough to get a cut of the Federal revenues raised through the ol sands.

Its going to be one interesting week.

Seems like a war has broken out all over the world. Except this time instead of bullets and bombs, we are shooting streams of zeros and ones back and forth through the ether.

HTML and PDF bombs.

Nevertheless, damage is being done, bit by bit.

The oilsands should tell Ontario and Quebec that we will not shoulder their transit systems.

Kate

That is not a drilling rig pictured in the NYT article and identified as such.

I clicked on the pic and that is a small service rig. In oilfield parlance a rod rig.

This is not the kind of equipment that drills into geothermal zones at depths deep enough to cause tremors.

That doesn't negate the story but the pic is bullshit.

Then again it's in the NYT so it's anybody's guess.

Syncro

No shoulder for the "oil/tar sands burden" really? well Ontario and more so Quebec you really don't seem to have a problem with the Petro-dollars coming at you as "transfer payments" perhaps Alberta should just shut down and we would see how your subsidized life style would just "disappear" While you keep on buying "blood oil" from the Jihad masters the Saudis.

I guess McGuinty is unaware of the vast petrochemical industry three hours west of Toronto, that refines oil from Alberta. Thousands of jobs.Oh well maybe if he keeps it up a liberal won't get elected here in Ontario again for decades. Wishful thinking but one can always hope.

You should see the new dump expansion built near Watford so Toronto can truck it's garbage three hours west, twenty four hours a day.

What a hypocrite.

Greenies are really into the automatic death spiral mode. Don't they watch disaster movies? Hopefully they will be the first to voluntarily take up the challenge of zero population growth. Can you imagine, generating earthquakes for quack science. That's like throwing bombs into volcanoes. It used to be virgins, but they are a rare, scarce resource and very hard to find. Cheers.

I don't buy the earthquake story - sorry, but the physical disruption of the hot rocks just isn't going to be big enough to cause any damage - what might happen is a "rockburst" that would damage the drilling bit.

I think the real flaw in geothermal energy is that it moves heat from a kilometer or two underground to the surface in a matter of seconds instead of the years or centuries it might otherwise have taken through conduction, flow of groundwater etc., which will ACCELERATE GLOBAL WARMING, for crying out loud!

Yowza -58.4C in Edmonton, just like I prayed for...

Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey

We need one them Goracular Million Degree proof drillin rigs.

Man we'll get that geothermal rocket a jumpin...

fernstalbert:

Yeah, well my wife was a virgin, but I was smart enough not to throw her into a volcano. It took some time to find her I will admit. I asked her to get into my bed after we got married and that seemed to work out fine.

All that screeming with bein thrown into the volcano just seemed a might troublesome... :)

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

This is just msm's corrupt way of causing trouble for the Prime Minister - pit west against east. It has always been successful before...helping to get the Liberanos elected...move on , nothing to see here.

cook inlet production suspended. geothermal event

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Mount_Redoubt_eruptive_activity

East and West.

methinks the libs exempted the automakers from Kyoto targets last time.

sudbury smelters were at one time the biggest single source of emissions in the world.

Can we Albertans fire all the interprovincial immigrants from Ontario and Quebec, and cancel orders and contracts associated with that province?

How much work does SNC Lavalin get because of our "dirty" oil? What is the Quebec governments take of that?

How many Velan valves are there installed in Alberta? All it would take is a stroke of a pen to take them off the approved manufacturers lists.

I'm not just talking corporate tax of course. There are many Quebecer's that are employed as a result of oil and gas...and they pay income tax.

Morons.

Dear Mr. h/t p lougheed, speaking as a life-long U. S. Southerner the proper phraseology should be, "Let the Yankee Bastards freeze to death in the dark." I would also add,"Where's your solar power now you greenie twits?"

Dear Mr. h/t p lougheed, speaking as a life-long U. S. Southerner the proper phraseology should be, "Let the Yankee Bastards freeze to death in the dark." I would also add,"Where's your solar power now you greenie twits?"

Yep, if the hideous propaganda arms of the Liberal Party, the CBC and The Star, can stir up enough East Vs. West anger, the East will vote in a block and vote in the Liberals. It sucks but that is reality.

I like to think they are not that F'n stupid, but then again, when I look at some of the past elections.........

gerretsen and beauchamp: just reading about them instills the need to take a shower; and not in a good way

Smart of them when its raining nuts in California.

Fair enough, if they don't want to shoulder the burden of an oil and gas industry they shouldn't share in the benefit ...

Lets go back to the begining of the equalization payments program and re-assess the "Have" and "Have-Not" provinces with oil and gas revenues removed. When Alberta has the hundreds of billions of dollars repaid we can start to talk about protecting Ontario and Quebec from shouldering the burden of the oil-sands.

Yeah well those Ontario Legistlature Loons don't speak for me either.

These people incite an emotion stronger than anti-americanism......anti-GTAism.

East-West separation???starting at Milton.......

Any pockets of stupidity can easily be resettled to there.....that's why the old boys built the CPR and cattle cars.
The ROC will gladly accept political refuggees from the GTA.....carefully vetted and screened of course.

Yeah well those Ontario Legistlature Loons don't speak for me either.

These people incite an emotion stronger than anti-americanism......anti-GTAism.

East-West separation???starting at Milton.......

Any pockets of stupidity can easily be resettled to there.....that's why the old boys built the CPR and cattle cars.
The ROC will gladly accept political refugees from the GTA.....carefully vetted and screened of course.

Mugs
As one who directly benefits from that vast petrochemical industry 3 hours west of Toronto,
I can assure you that McGuinty has no idea as to existence except when chiding them for their impact on his precious environment. In fact, McGuinty has no real idea of what happens in Ontario except for the Ottawa/Toronto areas.
He only knows about votes and where they come from.

When the cost of a barrel of oil goes up, the TSX goes up as does the value of the Loony as do my investments.

Thank you Alberta & Sask.

kakola at December 14, 2009 2:03 AM
[....I don't buy the earthquake story - sorry, but the physical disruption of the hot rocks just isn't going to be big enough to cause any damage - what might happen is a "rockburst" that would damage the drilling bit.

I think the real flaw in geothermal energy is that it moves heat from a kilometer or two underground to the surface in a matter of seconds instead of the years or centuries it might otherwise have taken through conduction, flow of groundwater etc., which will ACCELERATE GLOBAL WARMING, for crying out loud!]

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than make such a post and forever remove ALL DOUBT.
Your response is sterotypical uninformed, knee-jerk denial.....that's correct, the warmists/warmongers are the genuine deniers.
Geothermal projects were discontinued in Germany, when mini-tremblors (small earth-quakes)inflicted structural damage.
Empiracal evidence---not theory.
Remember that the EU and especially Germany will blindly march forth in support of the Climate-Change insanity.
Same with California......the jurisdiction that limited Hydro Electric production and also returned their, recently lush Central Valley, to arid conditions to protect a silly little fish in a tide-water delta.
Geothermal energy is problematic. The main difficulties are the heat source depletes, tectonic events, and the highly erosive/corrosive hot, feed water.
Wind only produces 20-30% of the time...and is 3X the cost of nuclear and is dangerous, (it has killed a whack of nice people).
Solar sucks on cloudy days and ends at sunset....
Nuclear brings the loonies out rioting....
BTW....we have more evidence that the "scientists" made up "the science" than "the scientists" have found for CO2 AGW.
The best solution for a non-existant problem is to do nothing.

Need a good laugh?

Check out this YouTube clip of a 1978 TV show about the coming "Ice Age" narrated by Leonard Nimoy-"Mr.Spock".

Need a good laugh?

Check out this YouTube clip of a 1978 TV show about the coming "Ice Age" narrated by Leonard Nimoy-"Mr.Spock".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUq0JnaIock

I'm really gonna miss you guys after you secede.

Ah, McGuinty's Ontario, in the red across the board, a government that couldn't run a two-holed outhouse, off to add more stench in Denmark by dissing Alberta, the engine that feeds Ontario and Quebec as have-not's. Quebec isn't in it for anything but the money, they have clean hydro, they're in deep mourning at the demise of their cash cow KYOTO.

As an Ontario resident, I want to say that McGuinty does not speak for me. I understand the importance of tar sands oil to our energy security and to our economy. As for Daivd Miller, he and Toronto deserve each other. What a dink!

There is nothing inconsistent with not "shouldering the burnden" and what Prentice have said, or even more recently Paul Martin (I cannot believe I am referencing him)

The producer of the oil carries the burden of the energy used to produce the oil. But Oil is still a store of carbon until it is consumed. The consumer of the oil must bear the cost of consuming the oil, in whatever scheme is produced.

Any cross subsidy, whether Alberta to Ontario or Ontario to Alberta is wrong.

now the question of whether you need to price this thing called carbon at all is a totally seperate question. Bu I wouldnt get so upset at the comments, because it works both ways. both jurisdictions just need to ensure they are only paying for their issues.

Well if they want to play that way. Ont. can pay for it's socialism and Que. can pay for bilingualism. Seems fair to me.

Quebec bilingual? The Quebec I know is monolingual, it's the rest of Canada that had bilingualism rammed down it's throat.

Hmmmm Provincial export taxes on all hydrocarbons going to Ontario & Quebec . . .

Sounds about right.

Pay up or freeze.

Pay up or don't fill the gas tank.

We'll make sure we strip away all those dirty oil revenues from your transfer payments, Ontario and Quebec.

Here in lovely Haldimand County we are living the Liberal dream. Two tier policing, no tier health care, all the regulations you can imagine and then some. Don't cut them weeds Mr. Farmer sir, or its a $10k fine for you. Transit? Sure, if you live in Hamilton. In the country, not so much. Greyhound maybe.

Oh, you want to tap the natural gas that's on your property? (Yep, gas under my back lawn right here in Ontario. Lots of it. Run my furnace AND my car forever. People been burning it since 1910, no end in sight.)

No problem Mr. Phantom sir! Just install $200k+ worth of pumping, filtering, storage and "safety" equipment, and have it inspected every year... at your expense of course. Minimum possible emplacement sir, it doesn't matter that you aren't a professional gas company, or that you aren't shipping it. Can't be too careful y'know.

What's that? The neighbor has a simple tank with a simple pump on it that cost three grand? Oh well, he was grandfathered in because he had the well before the New Regulations went into effect. Too bad for you, Mr. Phantom sir. But don't worry, we will get to the neighbor guy soon enough.

Our MPP and MP are both Conservative. 'Nuff said.

Ontario and Quebec want a fair deal? Well boys, its called equalization. You want fairness we'll give you fairness.

We'll keep the money we pay to equalization and you keep the money you pay to equalization. Any goods and services we require for the tar sands development we'll find else where. Any goods and services you require for whatever it is that you do, you can find else where. Any federal dollars spent on propping up the auto sector and manufacturing will be spent equally on western industry.

How's that for fair.

puddin n pie - Although I'm sure Lougheed thought it alot - I highly doubt that he actually said it - at least not in public.

The quote is "Let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark". It was spotted on a bumper sticker and it caught on.

Jema 2.53 a.m. nailed it.

Everything in God's good time. He sees the forces at work to separate this great country and if it isn't in His plans, it ain't gonna happen.
Look at the librano figures if you just want to begin there.

So Ontario is full of idiots, so God has dealt with idiots for several thousands of years. He deals with us all in His own time.

Don't get into another "the sky is falling" scenario. I'm just relaxing after the great AGW armageddon and don't need another "the west is separating", pack the wagons.

time to put that pipeline in to Prince Rupert.

sell that oil all the way to Chinie.

kakola @ 2:03: Sorry kakola, you're wrong. A number of such incidents have occurred. Here's one:
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/index/Man-made_tremor_shakes_Basel.html?cid=46232

Re: Ont&Que gang up on AB&Sask Re: AGW tax shakedown in Hopenhagen.

My god is there no bottom to the pettiness, the avarice, the mendacity of the soviet governing cabals of these provinces (which have been deindustrialized and economically collapsed by socialist greed)

these commie delegates forget:

A) this is a commonwealth, not a communist state
B) Provinces cannot swing their own international agreements
C) This is a cooperative confederation and if they hate the west this much we can cut ourselves loose from them in a heart beat and a local ballot
D) No one is forcing them to use the cheap oil and gas they get from the evil carbon demon west. Time to shut the tap[s off and find customers who appreciate a sweet deal.

Good god these eastern commies get madder every day. I feel pity for the poor daft sheepies in Ont&Que that have to suffer under their perverse governing.

Funniest comment at the National Post

"By the way, did anybody notice we haven't heard from the feminists on the "man" reference in man-made global warming?

Big surprise. Annoying lectures and threats from the usual suspects - the Liberal Party of Canada and central Canada politicians. This tired and desperate divide and conquer routine will not work this time. The benefits of the western energy sector do not stop at the SK border. From Martime oil workers to Ontario parts manufacturers, many would suffer if the oil industry is harmed by politicians.
As mentioned, if the carbon Puritans are really offended by the oil industry then they should refuse any money derived from the dirty, disgusting business.

This is exactly how the hinges on the door of the local honky-tonk get knocked off when someone gets thrown through the door when the brawl breaks out.

Hey, at least California is complaining. The twits in Washington (state) just gave up the money and didn't even ask any questions.

The company in charge of a California project to extract vast amounts of renewable energy from deep, hot bedrock has removed its drill rig and informed federal officials that the government project will be abandoned.

Well, of course, the company removed its drill rig. It had to. The temperature down there is millions of degrees! Just ask Al Gore.

More re Basel:

"Mr. Häring is to go to trial next week on criminal charges stemming from the project. [...]"

"Quake Threat Leads Swiss to Close Geothermal Project"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406267/posts

Keep up the good work Ontario and Quebec, keep it up. Hopefully you will find a dozen other ways to pilfer funds from the arrogant tar babies from the West. You now have the perfect alibi to create some real pressure, world pressure, don't miss the opportunity. Go after both the Premiers and Harper to do something stupid, the numbers, voting numbers that is, say it will work, always have. You can get your way, go for it.

I wish you every success in this little green world that this time around you really piss the West off enough that they do what should have been done decades ago, LEAVE.

It's about time the ROC cut the cord with Ontario and QC. I am sick of shouldering their whiny, gimmee gimmee attitude, their 'have not satus' their progressive moonbat politics and hollow approach to democracy.

I'm pretty sure the rest of out west can scrape by with the oil sands, some wheat and some fish. Plus a huge reduction in TAXES!

Besides if "Ontario, Quebec say they won’t shoulder oil sands burden" the USA will gladly step up. http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/Canada/Oil.html

Doze that giant cesspool called Toronto for starters. Imagine the manure and garbage that collection of commies and misfits that blight on the earth generates everyday, with Albertas money in a large part. Quebec , now there's a success story if there ever was one in the WELFARE world. Presently the dirty oil from those evil "tarsands" flows int the rivers up north, Alberta is taking great pains and incurring huge debts to clean-up one of Gods natural disasters, God can't be blamed for Toronto though.

Looking at the weather lately, I'm inclined to believe Mr Spock. It's only logical.

Compare/contrast Jan van Duijn with Goreacle.
...-

"Al Gore arrives in Copenhagen

COPENHAGEN — As international climate talks appeared in danger of disintegrating, Al Gore arrived to a rock star’s welcome in Copenhagen today. If Copenhagen is the enviros' Woodstock, then Gore is The Who, the Grateful Dead and Creedence Clearwater Revival as a one-man band. The former vice president drew such a big crowd that security had to shut down access, with hundreds of unhappy activists left outside. Inside the mobbed room, Gore watched as Danish and Norwegian officials presented a new scientific report that the sea levels are rising much faster than previous estimates. snip The former vice president has..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2407099/posts
...-

"Dutch aubergine grower pipes carbon dioxide into greenhouses

Having a chemical plant sited next door to your plantation isn't what the average farmer might want for his crop. Jan van Duijn, however, walks proudly through his greenhouse, a vast glass and metal structure spread out over five hectares (12.3 acres) where millions of aubergines are doing very nicely thank you. He's happy because thanks to a deal with a supplier, he's getting hot water piped in from the factory, which produces ammonia, to maintain the temperature at a constant 68 degrees F (20C). The chemical site, five kilometres (three miles away), also supplies carbon dioxide which helps his..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2407098/posts

If I recall correctly, Quebec has demanded a guaranteed floor for equalization payments; so it seems they can have their cake and eat it too.

"I'm really gonna miss you guys after you secede."

I'll take you in as a refugee Mamba:)

Yeah well, I've seen better shoulders on a propane bottle.
Posted by: larben at December 14, 2009 12:57 AM

Thanks for the morning laugh. Good One!
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That is not a drilling rig pictured in the NYT article and identified as such.

I clicked on the pic and that is a small service rig. In oilfield parlance a rod rig.

This is not the kind of equipment that drills into geothermal zones at depths deep enough to cause tremors.

That doesn't negate the story but the pic is bullshit.

Then again it's in the NYT so it's anybody's guess.

Syncro
Posted by: syncrodox at December 14, 2009 1:28 AM

'Syncro', it a mobile double service rig, looks like a 'Skytop' to me.

That'll be a help, Indy, because I have it on Lizzie May's authority that Halifax is going to be underwater real soon.

(To quote Tim Robbins [blech!] from one of the Austin Powers films, re. Dr. Evil nuking the moon (yeah, I know): "Would you miss it!? Would you?!")

So, Quebec doesn't want to shoulder the burden of the AB (and now SK) with regards to carbon emissions. Seems to me AB has been shouldering a great deal of Quebec's social programs with equalization payments (the perceived fiscal imabalance which is a pharce created by G. Duceppe) which now exceed 8 Billion per year. Where will Quebec get the money for!!!

7.00 per diem day care. Thats right!!! for those of you paying 35.00 or more per day in Alberta and SK.

University Tuitions capped at less than 1800.00 per year. (and also extending the same tuition to students from france but not SK , AB or any other provinces students)

Equalization alone represents a full 13% of the Quebec Provincial Budget revenues (2008).

While they are critizing AB and SK perhaps they should consider "including" their hydro revenues in the equalization formulae. Of course Oil and Gas Revenues are only exempted 50%. This also applies to Manitoba hydro revenues who currently receive 2.1 Billion per year (wonder why!!)

Would appear the Albertans ( and of late SK) seem to have the biggest shoulders.

Not Quebec bashing, just the facts.

Black Mamba @ 8:13, its' been a slice. All is not lost however as I'm with Indiana. We could use your views out here.

FYI. It was Ralph Klein that said "Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark"...good old Ralphie!!

But there's millions of degrees of heat down there . . .

And all that heat is just 2 or 3 kilometers underground. They drill for it with special drill bits developed to stand that kind of heat. Everyone but a 5th grader knows that.

Ken, Indy - cool! Do you like cats?

Quebec and Ontario shouldering the burden, what a joke. Quebec hasn't paid for anything on it's own since I was born. Bring on the referendum, I for one have had enough.

...umm...I'll plead the fifth on that one...

As I said last week, Alberta could redirect the 9 Billion plus that is annually transferred to Quebec towards Copenhagen, to Al Gore's back account, or wherever! I wouldn't even object if they put "From: Quebecois" on the gift card if it makes them happy.

Note: I suggest a direct transfer from AB to “wherever”, because I have my suspicions that the Quebecois may forget to donate the $$. Sort of like the kid that pockets the pizza-mans $10 tip when the parents are not looking.

Merle Underwood

I agree, a telescopic double tubing triple rod rig but I think it's a "Franks". The derrick has no fixed A-legs.

They are tripping small tubing...2 3/8 or 2 7/8 at best.

Syncro

I'm hopin' you folks could find it in your hearts to take BC into your Western Federation.
...that is after we get rid of the moonbat politicians, and Vancouver sinks beneath the waves of its own stupidity in thinking that God created the rest of BC as a $$ pipeline to serve the lower mainland's whims and socialist policies.

Hey sasquatch - sorry if I failed to properly indicate my position about geothermal power. I have a few decades of experience in drilling holes in rock and keeping deep mines open in the face of heavy pressure, so I know the difference between rockbursts, earthquakes, tremblors and the like. If you have a reference to tremblors caused by deep hole drilling in Germany I'd like to have a read.

My point, however badly made, was that the greenies who think geothermal power is free and without any consequence are, as they are on so many other things, wrong.

BTW, "Empiracal" is really spelled "Empirical".

CGH: thanks

More things Greenies are wrong about, I see at Eureakalert today a study showing that E-85 (corn alcohol) fuel makes -more- ozone than eeeevile gasoline fuel. Even more than gasoline made from eeeeevile dirty Alberta TAR sands dirty oil dirty bad eew.

These guys are batting 1000! Wrong every single time!

Syncro- Since the rig is truck mounted, and there are no drilling fluids to be seen, I'd have to go with service rig.

I think geothermal drilling is about as legitimate as a Nigerian email opportunity. Sort of a make work project, funded by unsuspecting investors. It's about as believable as abiotic oil.

I'm pretty sure that the connection between the heat wells and the earthquakes is as real as the data being used to support global warming hysteria.

Obamba will never truly displace his big oil masters any more than he would his big banking ones!

It’s a service rig – Regardless they could be “poor boy” drilling an existing well with power tongs and a pack-off. Sounds like California oilfield anyway.

They needed a convenient 'out', to shut down the project, OMMAG. This way, they don't have to admit failure. They'll be free to resume fundraising for the new and improved drilling system.

Black Mamba @ 1:45, cats around here carry their load. They are not socialists, so yours would fit right in.

It is a service rig....god knows I spent enough time spinning rods, running power tongs, catching pipe and swinging the brake handle to know what one looks like.

You can drill in cased hole with a rig of this size and type utilizing a power swivel (top drive) and pack off head as Knight has suggested but this is not a deep hole rig.

We did lots of re-entry work with this kind of rig, drilling out the casing plug and making open hole to a marginally deeper formation. Judging from the blocks, derrick and draw works on this rig it might pull a 2 3/8 string off bottom from 8000 feet. It's a flickin rod rig!

I think the real story here is that a Seattle start up company managed to raise 36 million dollars to piss around re-entering an abandoned well for the ostensible purposes of providing well meaning idiots with "free" energy.

Syncro

Geothermal drilling causing earthquakes in California? Where is Steely Dan when you need them?

"California
falls into the sea
that'll be the day I clean up on geotherms!
Copenhagen
appeals to me,
but I can't get a subsidy on agreeable terms!"

Further to this discussion I decided to check into AltaRock.

It seems that this was in fact a re-entry drilling operation. The well identified as E-7 ( a former injection well) was initially re-entered at a depth of 3202 feet with a target drilling depth of 12,000 feet.

It seems they ran into trouble around the 4100-4400 foot level and presumably pulled out and cemented off. Their site claims that they attempted to re-drill on two occasions from 1874 feet and 2733 only to be thwarted at the 4100-4400 foot level.

Their website link is here:

http://www.altarockenergy.com/demo.html

My take.....The rig pictured in the NYT article has about as much likelihood of successfully drilling 9000 feet of open hole as I have of drilling Marilyn Monroe.

Syncro

It's been the hardest and the coldest early December week in the heavy oil patch. -30 for a week straight, and I can't WAIT for this cold mass to hit the east coast on Thursday...

Knight

You working around the Lloyd/ Cold Lake area?

Syncro

Earthquakes? That would be the least of our problems. Mankind would never survive being exposed to such conditions in the 'millions of degrees'. What are we nuts?

Add to the Que/Ont political alliance - the Yukon! Yup, the former last frontier of Canada has sent 12 (yes I said one dirty dozen, representing 30,000 people; flying not over the pole but via Tarana to the hoopla in Copanhagan. They are all pledged to 'fight for Climate Change." The Yukon is 95% run with money from transfers from all of you - billions. Miles and miles of untapped wealth in Gold and minerals are tied up in Land claims, kowtowing to enviroweenies from Southern Canada and USA, the very Liberano bureaucracy....B.C. sent the ever stupid Premier and a helper but the Yukon sent 12 nincompoops on the ROC's dime. There is a huge 'green' French Canadian % of the population up here now - and they get A LOT of money for their projects. I miss the Yukon that was - less than 40 years ago - there were few laws and almost no crime; now it is just the opposite. Very sad.

I know I'm late to the party here. I live in Leduc, right next door to the Edmonton International Airport. Saturday was bloody cold and it's still bloody cold, but it's supposed to be warm on Thursday.

I want to state for the record that I am damn glad for oil and electricity and block heaters and all the modern conveniences, and that I don't have to live like my great-great-grandparents did when they moved to the Edmonton area from Prussia in 1890. They and their kids lived in a sod house for the first three years.

The Geothermal Business Model

http://whiskeyandgunpowder.com/geothermal-frustration-part-ii/

Ha!

I pick up my Ottawa Citizen at the mailbox out here in the Valley this morning and what do I read on the cover? $51 million in cuts to the Ontario health budget.

So, while my provincial "leaders" are making fools of themselves at Copenhagen, they've run out of money for hospitals.

The kind of money that federal and provincial taxes can generate when there's a prosperous industry like, oh, I don't know, the oil sands.

It is to weep.

Posted by: syncrodox >

You working around the Lloyd/ Cold Lake area?

Some a little over 15 years ago. I’ve been in Africa, the Middle East since, the last 10 years in South East Asia (home every month).

Posted by: syncrodox >

You working around the Lloyd/ Cold Lake area?

Some a little over 15 years ago. I’ve been in Africa, the Middle East since, the last 10 years in South East Asia (home every other month).

Knight

Good on ya. So what do you make of Altarock and the NYT piece?

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox>

“So what do you make of Altarock and the NYT piece?”

Not much actually. First I don’t believe anything out of the NYT. Second, as I mentioned earlier Obamba is all about big business & banking. Drilling wells in California is not a new thing; the oilfield has been there for a century and still one of California’s chief exports. Neither is geothermal heating, they only need to go to Scandinavia and almost every country around the world with a fault line.

The biggest problem for deep well drilling (on California land) is that the wells frequently water out due to the high stress fracturing in the bedrock. In other words they literally bring in the ocean.

To me it’s another propaganda piece and without a doubt allot of pockets were well lined with government funds, again.