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December 12, 2009

Reader Tips

Good evening ladies and gentlemen, welcome to SDA Late Nite Radio. Tonight, for your delectation, here are Quincy Jones and guest Toots Thielemans performing Velas, from Quincy's album The Dude, in 1981 (4:13).

Your Reader Tips are, as always, welcome in the comments.

Posted by Vitruvius at December 12, 2009 12:01 AM

Comments

Soooooooooooo smoooooooooooth, Vitroooooooovius.

Toots a lot for dat man.
I wuz always a sucka for smooooth.

In lesser hands that could be muzak what?

When my musician daughter lived in Brussels in the early 90s she saw Toots with Grappelli (sp?) in a small club.

Posted by: Me No Dhimmi at December 11, 2009 11:13 PM

Apropos to Climategate and the HopenChangen conference, here's David Byrne with his musical tribute to what the world government fascists hope the changen is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95rcdH0huc

Posted by: djb at December 11, 2009 11:20 PM

Apparently some kind of agreement has been reached between the Province of B.C. and the West Coast natives for the installation of the (soon to be ubiquitous) wind turbines between the north coast and the Queen Charlotte Islands. Premier Campbell in the fading days of his premiership has decided, without consulting with, well ... me, that these islands shall be henceforth known as the Haida Gwaii, or however they spell it. I, however will continue to know them as the Queen Charlotte Islands, as I shall continue to call Chinaman Creek and Chinaman Mtn. by its first given name at least until such time that the name of the vehicle that picks up drunks is changed from "Paddy Wagon", to something more appropriate,

Posted by: larben at December 11, 2009 11:21 PM

Canadian Delegation to Copenhagen includes Mike Holmes, TV Handyman and General Contractor. I suppose chosen for his support of SOS Children Villages, but really....If I want an addition put on the house I will Call Mike Holmes, I want some representation in Copenhagen I will call somebody with some prestige like Bob and Doug.

They will tell those hoseheads where they can trap their carbon, eh in an empty two-four just breathe into the bottles, eh and put it back upside down, eh. Oh wait beer has them tiny CO2 bubbles, eh oh no, they are coming for or brewskis next , take off copen-hosers eh.

I Love Canada.

Posted by: Illiquid Assets at December 11, 2009 11:27 PM

I've been in engineering for 30 years and I've never heard anyone say "beat the crap out of him".

Sure, it was just said in a heated moment. But this is threat of physical violence.

Sniggerring arrogance and the political class's hubris is what threatens us.

We've seen economic indicators, why don't we have a similar indicator graph showing the sponge-to-producer ratio?

Nexttime I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I'll be tempted to beat the crap out of him. Very tempted.

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 11, 2009 11:44 PM

Brief excerpt from Wazhma Frogh's and Lauryn Oates' Calgary Herald piece on the women's antiwar organization Code Pink:

"Code Pink's modus operandi is symptomatic of a western feminism that is not rooted in values of global solidarity, but is self-interested, insular and shamefully relativist. It is based on tribalism and rejects internationalist values. In this feminism, emancipation is only for western women -- not for women in places like Afghanistan."

(...)

"If western feminists who have staked out a 'troops out' position remembered to ask Afghan women their views, they would find that rather than bristling at 'masculine militarization,' 'cultural imperialism,' or any other in-vogue sin found on the placards waved at rallies, many Afghan women are haunted by the memory of the Taliban's public stoning to death of women. They recall what life was like when you couldn't leave your home alone, when you could not speak aloud in the streets because your voice was deemed inhuman, subservient, inherently impure. It was not the West's interference that led to their collective misery, but the lack of it."

via Terry Glavin (Transmontanus)

Posted by: EBD at December 11, 2009 11:48 PM

Tried to start a thread a while back about favourite Christmas carols, but I guess it was too late in the day or too soon before Christmas. So I'll try again.

I love the Huron Carol, the original Canadian Christmas carol. Written by Jean De Brébeuf, the Jesuit missionary in Ste-Marie-Among-the-Hurons in Ontario. It was originally in Huron, then French, then English:
'Twas in the moon of winter-time
When all the birds had fled,
That mighty Gitchi Manitou
Sent angel choirs instead;
Before their light the stars grew dim,
And wandering hunters heard the hymn:
Refrain:
Jesus your King is born, Jesus is born,
In excelsis gloria.

Within a lodge of broken bark
The tender Babe was found,
A ragged robe of rabbit skin
Enwrapp'd His beauty round;
But as the hunter braves drew nigh,
The angel song rang loud and high.
Refrain

O children of the forest free,
O sons of Manitou,
The Holy Child of earth and heaven
Is born today for you.
Come kneel before the radiant Boy
Who brings you beauty, peace and joy,
Refrain

Gitchi Manitou is the Algonquin word for God. Brébeuf was of course later martyred.

Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at December 11, 2009 11:57 PM

@Illiquid Assets

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsgVspgy184
[Bob and Doug stuffing mice into beer bottles]

You'll probably like it.

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 12, 2009 12:03 AM

Nicole - It is a beautiful piece and typical of the way the Church blends traditional ways into something recognizable to the Amerindian mind and soul. They have not always been that successful; pulling down the totems is of questionable wisdom when looked at from this remove. Brebuef and his comrades were of course martyrs, killed I believe by the Iroquois after horrible torture. A bit gruesome, but I saw relics (his skull) in a silver casket during the Vatican Splendour display at the Vancouver Art Galley, some years back.

Posted by: larben at December 12, 2009 12:15 AM

This evening I checked in on my Facebook account and saw that a friend in the Eastern U.S. was being lambasted by some other friend of his for being skeptical of what's going on in Copenhagen.

This other fellow went on & on about some sort of CO2 levels going sky-high. I noticed two other things:
1. He's a high-school student, graduating next year.
2. He originally called my friend a "denialist".

So I pointed out to him how incredible it was that he appeared to be repeating verbatim some science he had read somewhere on the Internet, never once questioning where the data came from. I also asked him why he trust scientists who refuse to share their data with all to examine.

Finally, I asked him why he was calling his friend a "denier" - ie. someone on the same level as one who denies that the Nazi Holocaust occurred.

I was polite but did not back away from pointing out the error of this kid's ways. Do you think he will take the time to question his own assumptions? I don't. :-(

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 12, 2009 12:21 AM

larben, I did not know that you were Irish.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 12, 2009 12:27 AM

Nicola, the words to that carol are beautiful. My favourite is Silent Night, Holy Night in both the English and German.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 12, 2009 12:36 AM

Bennett is my name which I took from my adoptive parents after my mother died. She was a Lee from Belfast who emigrated with her family to Calgary many, many years ago, and yes I have seen the insides of these transporters on various occasions.
I presume from your name you are from the steppes of eurasia somewhere, and that your parents may have been wealthy or at least, successful farmers?

Posted by: larben at December 12, 2009 1:00 AM

Why could Harper possibly be courting the Jews? That evil Protestant must be after something, and one Glib and Pale commenter has already opined, "money, money, money":
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/pm-and-the-jewish-question/article1397928/

Posted by: andycanuck at December 12, 2009 1:10 AM

Nicole - my favourite is Little Drummer Boy and then Silent Night.

Posted by: Christmas at December 12, 2009 1:23 AM

Fantastic version of Carol of The Bells
with Brian Brink on piano and full band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8zHmwoTtKc

Posted by: Bernie at December 12, 2009 1:25 AM

Government overturns CRTC ruling on GlobaLive entrance into the wireless marketplace! Network service imminent in TOR and CAL with other major centres to follow. YeeHaw.

What ever happens from now on, the Conservatives have done enough to shape Canada for years to come: a renewed commitment to the military, calling out terrorist organizations, and now increased competition in wireless.

I don't think we're in Kansas anymore...

Posted by: PhilM at December 12, 2009 1:42 AM

The Globe and Mail reported on Thursday that many Norwegians are not too pleased with president Obama's cancellation of a number of traditional events held for the Nobel Peace Prize winner. They include a dinner with the Nobel committee, a press conference, a TV interview and a visit to an exhibition in his honour at the Nobel peace centre. He has even turned down a lunch invitation from King Harald. Apparently the committee itself is trying to downplay the issue but the people on the street are put off.

The bow to the Japanese emperor was overblown, a minor protocol mistake at the very worst. But I'd say the attitude shown here demonstrates the president's narcissism and boorishness.

Posted by: nv53 at December 12, 2009 1:59 AM

I just watched ultra-Lefty Sid Ryan espousing his stupidity on Michael Coren's show. It suddenly occurred to me that the simplest way to provide Ryan & his Eastern ilk with the money they want for their socialist causes (aka the Copenhagen mantra) is to add a fuel tax only for Ontarians.

Doing a little research revealed that apparently about 15 Billion litres of fuel were sold last year in Ontario. So here's a handy guide to the EXTRA amount each Ontario driver can gleefully be looking to pay per litre:

$10,000,000,000 $0.67
$20,000,000,000 $1.33
$30,000,000,000 $2.00
$40,000,000,000 $2.67
$50,000,000,000 $3.33
$60,000,000,000 $4.00
$70,000,000,000 $4.67
$80,000,000,000 $5.33
$90,000,000,000 $6.00
$100,000,000,000 $6.67

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 12, 2009 2:07 AM

Toronto Star, Thursday, Haroon Siddiqui. Title: "Why it is essential to stand up to bigots".

He says, "While Europeans and North Americans have learned not to invoke free speech to peddle anti-Semitism, they routinely cite it to rationalize anti-Islamism (the Danish cartoons, and the tirades of Maclean's magazine, the National Post, etc.)"

"Islamism" is a word generally used to refer to the mentality among radical Muslims such as those who were behind the 9/11 attacks. What the hell is wrong with being anti- that??

If he merely means "anti-Muslim", then I agree that all believers should not be lumped together and considered to have the same views. But there seems to be enough of the troublesome contingent that criticism (not to mention war) is fully justified, including the examples he cites. Free speech is a defense to any and all of them. The cartoons and articles are examples of western nations standing up to bigots.

The impetus for his column was the Swiss ban on minarets. I do agree with him that the ban is unjustified and worthless.

But if you really want to stand up to bigots, Siddiqui, how about trying to persuade the Saudis to allow Jews to enter their country?

Posted by: nv53 at December 12, 2009 2:21 AM

Globe and Mail, Friday, Rick Salutin. Title: Climategate's not evil, it's just unhinged.

The column doesn't make a clear point, but it does say this: "Those university climate scientists have been accused of betraying science for politics. But they're also human, and human beings are political. They weren't betraying science, they were pursuing politics, and politics can make you crazy."

That's a very weak defense, if it's a defense at all. You can't exonerate people because they were acting "politically" - otherwise Hitler, Stalin and Mao would be off the hook. I know he doesn't think the scientists were literally crazy. I think fraud might be a better word to describe their actions, but he doesn't come up with it. He repeats the claims that the ice caps are still melting and polar bears retreating inland, but these too have been disputed, in part because of the fraud.

Compare last week's column about the leak of the Afghan torture allegations, in which Salutin commented "long live the whisteblowers".

Posted by: nv53 at December 12, 2009 2:39 AM

Minarets aren't the moral equivalent of church steeples.

They're the moral equivalent of burning crosses.

http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2009-12-03-0005/

And if you want to read bigotry, read the Harper-Jew link.

Posted by: andycanuck at December 12, 2009 2:39 AM

The global warmmongers would make any socialist/communist/fascist proud.

http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/11/un-security-stops-journalists-questions-about-climategate/#

Posted by: Lev at December 12, 2009 2:46 AM

larben - yes, horrible torture indeed for Brebeuf and his companion.

There's a nice canvas in the National Gallery of Canada by Légaré depicting this, although it is just from historical accounts of course.

http://cybermuse.gallery.ca/cybermuse/search/artwork_zoom_e.jsp?mkey=14746

I'm not going to elaborate here, but unpleasant details are easily found searching for Jesuit martyrs Canada, etc.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 2:48 AM

Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney: People shouldn't go crazy based on the low interest rates today, because they might not be able to afford payments under higher rates down the road, which in turn might upset the economy and the delicate recovery.

Terence Corcoran in the National Post: It's not our responsibiilty to worry about whether the financial system will go to hell because of low interest rates and consumer response to them. That's the Bank's job, so do it properly.

Also in the National Post, UK PM Gordon Brown and French counterpart Nicholas Sarkozy: "We have found that a huge and opaque global trading network involving complex products, short-termism and too-often excessive rewards created risks that few people understood. We have also learned that when crises happen, taxpayers have to cover the costs."

Taxpayers actually don't have to cover the costs, if governments don't spend their money on bailouts. But what we have really found is that government intervention to encourage people who can't afford to buy houses to obtain them anyway is devastating to the economy. We also know that there is no "short-termism" like that found among politicians attempting to ensure their own re-election.

And why is it that when high government salaries are criticized, the defenders say they're there to attract qualified people, but when high corporate salaries or benefits are at stake, they're merely a manifestation of greed?

Posted by: nv53 at December 12, 2009 3:01 AM

Lev, you're right. If you haven't read it yet, search out Charles Krauthammer's column from Friday. He speaks precisely about what you did.

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 12, 2009 3:56 AM

I generally like the Law & Order franchise but this week producer Dick Wolf is on a crusade to attack conservatives. He did it first with SVU and then Friday night did it again with the original Law & Order show.

The general message is clear:

- Community organizers (like ACORN perhaps) are all angels

- Anyone who doesn't agree with Obama is a right wing violent nutcase (and white by the way)

Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 12, 2009 4:11 AM

Robert W./Lev: Here's the link to Charles Krauthammer's article, The New Socialism:

http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2009/12/11/the_new_socialism

nv53, re " ... president Obama's cancellation of a number of traditional events held for the Nobel Peace Prize winner ...":

Aside from not wanting to appear subservient in the eyes of his socialist puppet masters, I sincerely think he cancels these events because left to their own devices, neither Barak nor Michelle can hold their own in the company they would have to keep. Without his speech writers and teleprompter, he's an empty suit who would embarrass himself if he had to carry on an intelligent conversation.

His handlers know this, so they've put a tight rein on him and told him to say no to one-on-one encounters. He's only allowed to bask in the limelight flashing his million-dollar smile -- which is million$ of dollar$ for them as his agenda drains million$ of dollar$ from us.

What a scam.

Posted by: batb at December 12, 2009 7:49 AM

nv53, re Rick Salutin:

I've seen him roaming the streets of my neighbourhood looking like a remnant from the Night of the Living Dead and, like him, his opinions are holdovers from a bygone era. But, of course, the Probe and Fail keeps him on as a columnist because that's what "we" do in Canada: Our media is full of cadavers: Rick, Lloyd, Peter, Craig, you get the picture...

Posted by: batb at December 12, 2009 7:59 AM

Harvard's Red-Green Commissars: The Moonies.

O'narcissist, LiberalGonzoIffyIgnatieff, and BanMoonbat.

"Back in his student days at Harvard University, Ban's standard joke was that he was "JFK" -- "just from Korea." Now he likes to quip, "My name is Ban, not James Ban." But it will take more than jokes to reverse the sentiment against him."
...-

"Mr. Moon
A Master of Missteps at the Head of the UN

United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki Moon is under fire from all sides. Even the Norweigan Ambassador to the UN complained he lacked in charisma. Now all eyes are on the climate change summit in Copenhagen, a crucial test for the international leader who calls himself "a slippery eel."

Ban Ki-moon had been planning his trip to Norway for a long time, which made it all the more galling that just before the United Nations secretary-general arrived, newspapers published a leaked document in which none other than the Norwegian ambassador to the UN deemed Ban as weak, ineffective and lacking in charisma.

A diplomatic visit to Norway is usually one of the more pleasant outings for the UN leader. The country is one of the international organization's founding members and a big supporter as well, revering the secretary-general almost like a king."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,666138,00.html

Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2009 8:11 AM

"THE HEART AND SOUL OF ENVIRONMENTALISM

PRODOS SPEAKS WITH PETER SCHWARTZ, Founder of The Intellectual Activist,

Chairman of the Board of the Ayn Rand Institute,

Editor of
Return of The Primitive - an update of The New Left:
The Anti-Industrial Revolution.

(not reviewed by Peter Schwartz)

PRODOS: (INTRO) I was in the supermarket the other day in one of those
12 items or less express lanes and a lady just ahead of me had a
few items she'd bought that were going through the checkout.

But she refused a plastic bag to put them in. She was going to
struggle along. She carried some in her handbag and some under
her arm and anyway it was grueling to watch.

Amazed and appalled - shaking my head - I watched the farce.

My turn now. The checkout guy looked at me with my long hair and
unusual way of dressing - probably thinking I'm a hippie and a
greenie too. But before he could say a word I blurted out
"I wanna plastic bag! I'm not an Environmentalist! I don't
support rubbish and nonsense like that!"

He looked at me with great approval.

Today I want to look at Environmentalism - it's heart and soul.
What is it really about? Regular listeners know that I'm TOTALLY
opposed to the Environmental movement and we've often on this
program shown up many of the silly contradictions and outright
LIES put forward by Environmentalists. God they really are a
bunch of whackers!

Most recently I spoke to [the late] John Daly - the author of
Still Waiting For Greenhouse and we talked about the
'Global Warming' scam. Also to Tom Brabin - all about the
Forestry Industry and some of the things happening there.

But today let's go a few levels deeper into the issues.
Let's get philosophical! Let's look at the ideas, the motivations,
the PRINCIPLES underlying the Green movement.

Now I warn you, you may be in for a shock. If you ever thought
the planet was in trouble because of what's happening to its
environment then get ready to find out what trouble really is.

Because what the Environmentalists are doing to your life, your
liberty, your property, your future is unbelievable. It's stranger
than fiction.

It's a nightmare."

http://www.prodos.com/transcript/peterschwartz1.html

Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2009 8:15 AM

Whoaaa, 'Rasmssen Reports' Lowest Presidential Level Yet! Mmmm i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact That Obama Recieved a Nobel Peace Prize after not even 1yr in office & The fact he just Increased the troops in Afghanistan?

Presidential Approval Index
-16
thats 25% Strongly Approve & 41% Strongly Disaprove
Dec.12/2009

Posted by: bryanr at December 12, 2009 9:52 AM

The RCMP in Tacoma....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrqIbJIHJOY

Posted by: concrete at December 12, 2009 10:17 AM

"Leave the oil in the soil, leave the coal in the hole." says Nigerian Nnimmo Bassey, chair of Friends of the Earth International. Question, how did this leftist turd get to the conference, walk, with his candles and firewood?

Posted by: Dave at December 12, 2009 11:11 AM

Nicola Timmerman, one of the most beautiful renditions of A Huron Carol is by the Elora Festival Singers on a NAXOS disc called "The Mystery of Christmas." 'Best ten bucks I ever spent.

Unfortunately, I can't locate it on youtube.

Posted by: batb at December 12, 2009 12:14 PM

Thanks for the link 'maz2'.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at December 12, 2009 12:55 PM

So, I'm in a lineup at the grocery store this morning and I wish the Jewish woman behind me, who I know, a "Happy Hanukkah!" She proceeds to wish me "Happy Holidays!"

I hesitated for a nano-second and then said, with a smile of course, "It's Merry Christmas for me." She demurred with, "Well, you never know when you're going to offend somebody, so I've just started saying 'Happy Holidays,'" to which I rejoindered, "Too bad if it offends people. 'Merry Christmas' is my culture and putting someone's culture in the basement in order to raise others' up isn't such a great idea."

I'm getting extremely tired of having to protect others' sensibilities when mine are being assaulted and offended all the time.

"Merry Christmas!" to all -- and to all a good day!!

Posted by: batb at December 12, 2009 1:04 PM

bryanr - Yes, that's the lowest Rasmussen. They point out his loss is in the Democratic sector.

What I think this is about, is that the BackRoom Gang (BRG) who run the puppet Obama, are worried about the increasing loss among the Independents. These are crucial in the 2010 elections. The BRG are worried about, not the 2012 election, but the 2010 election. They are worried about losing Congress. They need Congress, vitally, to push through their radical socialist infrastructure.

So, they figure that at election time, the disenchanted Democrats will STILL vote Democrat and they want the Independent vote. THAT'S WHY Obama, the puppet, gave the Afghan and Nobel 'war speeches'. It's for the Independent vote. Oh, it has zilch to do with Afghanistan; Obama himself doesn't give a hoot about the Afghan people. He's a narcissist; his focus is always and only on himself.

The BRG need Obama, their puppet, as their Salesman for their domestic socialist structures. Obama himself gets a vicarious thrill out of making people do what they don't want to do; it shows he's in power..and his pathological narcissism requires such a thrill of power over other people.

BUT, I'm still going to predict that Obama won't go for a second term.

IF the Democrats retain Congress in 2010 then they don't need Obama for a second term of their socialist agenda. Their plan is to get it done in the first term.

And Obama himself is bored and indifferent to policies and programs for Americans. After all, such are not about Him. Just as he's indifferent to foreign affairs ..to the democratic desires of Iranian people, to stopping Iran's nuclear bomb, to democracy in Honduras..etc.

So Obama will want to go on to head a World Govt, the UN.

IF, IF, the Democrats don't retain Congresss, then, they'll drop Obama anyway.

I'll bet that we are going to see a lot of BRG attention now focused on appeasing the Independents, in order to retain control of Congress. The BRG will have the puppet Obama campaigning all across America with that agenda.

Posted by: ET at December 12, 2009 1:19 PM

ET, Obama will of course not seek a second term, and interestingly will leave with fairly high public regard. By that time, the economic crisis will have abated somewhat, or at least ameliorated. He can make unimaginable money though a public speaking career and writing (not matter what he produces). He will want to spend more time with his family, although there will be a little less transparent wording (in other words - I've had it with this schtick - too hard)

Despite leaving with accolades, history will not judge him favourably.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 1:56 PM


Eric Larsen,

I read a thread (can't recall where) that suggested the same: ("O'Bama won't run again") but the ending was a little different.

That writer suggested we'll see O'Bama, eventually, in the running for whatever form of 'global govmt' gets revealed.

Now, I for one, wonder how a noboby goes from Zero to become the POTUS in 6 short years. I know there is BIG $'s behind him and I think 'they've' got him sequenced for something other than just speaking/book tours, although that is a component.

Your thoughts?

Cheers.

Posted by: Eric Larsen, at December 12, 2009 2:29 PM


Eric,

The 2:29pm comment is from me but appeared over your name.

????

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 2:32 PM

Hey Garry, sorry, I was over at your house looking in your fridge and making a sandwich, and posting :-)

I think the whole global government thing is a bit of a stretch.

What does concern me is the long term solvency of the US. To me, the US reminds me of the sad cases of those guys who get laid off, don't tell their spouse, pretend to go to work, and borrow money hoping to land a job sometime.

There are some very fine people in that country, but when you (according to stats) have one in eight on food stamps, and one in four children is on food stamps, something is very very wrong.

So, I'm not worried about the one world government thing as a secretive goal, but I'm worried in which direction the troubled US will take the world - will the US, or will others fill the void?

Anti-Americanism is all too commonplace - after all - what major power would pepple like to see as the predominant hyperpower?

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 2:51 PM

pepple - people - sheesh!

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 2:55 PM


Eric,

Please make your self at home. But quit using that 'funny lettuce' on your sandwich...can cause spelling problems!

I can't disagree with your points. But I can see a consortium formimg that "prdominant hyperpower" you speak of.

Just my thoughts. Thanks.

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 3:09 PM


Geeez..

*predominant*

It must be the mercury in the tuna. You finished the lettuce.

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 3:11 PM

Garry, Eric - hmm. Interesting comments. But I don't see Obama having a public speaking career. What will he talk about? He has only one focus: Himself.

And the agenda of Himself is to secure the adulation, the continuous adulation, of those around him. This interaction has to put him, oops, Him, in control of you.

So, a public speech about..oh, world peace..won't achieve this goal. That's why I suggest that he'll go for heading the UN, with the agenda of setting it up as a world governance.
Now, that's the kind of control Obama likes.
And just think..there's no congress in the UN, no FOX news, no blogs. Just corruption, corruption and ...

He won't succeed of course. The world is actually too diverse in economic viability for that. China and India won't go for such restrictions..heh..can you imagine, capitalism will be saved by China. Now, that's a thought for Christmas.

Posted by: ET at December 12, 2009 3:33 PM

ET and Garry, he will have a fabulous public speaking career, and people will flock to see him. Please remember the depth of our current culture, where the women on "The View" are revered as insightful Socratic debaters.

He will probably ascend into some UN position after "resting and earning" for a few years after his first term: after all, the UN is as superficial and full of artifice as . . . well . . . . you know who I was going to say!

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 3:41 PM

I must disagree. It would be very unusual for Obama to not run again. Also, imho, President of the USA is the biggest job in the world. Pres. Obama would have to really mess up for the Dems to drop him or convince him to step aside. Again, highly unlikely.

Posted by: concrete at December 12, 2009 4:04 PM

concrete - my argument is that Obama is not interested in the 'job'.

He's interested in the feedback of adulation and in the thrill of controlling people and making them do what they don't want to do.

He's not interested in domestic policies or programs for the well-being of America. All his 'policies' so far, have been creations of others, from the Pelosi-Reid Stimulus, to the Health Care, to Cap-And-Trade..to Afghanistan. Obama is intellectually shallow, ignorant of and indifferent to world history..and his only focus is on that adulation and subservience of others.

In foreign affairs, Obama is shockingly ignorant and actually does more harm than good (eg, Iran, Honduras, Eastern Europe). He's also indifferent to the needs of other people, since he can't control them and since their focus is not on Him but on such things as democracy, freedom, food. His need for adulation is ignored by these people. His need to be 'supreme' leads him to constant insults, put downs, and ignorant statements.

Once he's achieved the agenda of his masters (I assert he's a puppet of a BackRoom Gang of radical socialists)...then, there's nothing for him to do. Again, he's not interested in policies or programs. He'll be not only bored but restless, because he requires constant 'feeding' of adoration and subservience.

I'm saying that HE will quit and go on 'to greater things'...
It's only IF the BRG don't get that infrastructure through, that they'll drop him.

In either case, my prediction is that he'll be gone...out of sheer indifference to the job.

Posted by: ET at December 12, 2009 4:29 PM


ET,

Along my lines of thought, as well.

Eric,

I don't mean he won't hit the speaking trail; I just don't see it as a career as he is headed elsewhere, when the time is deemed right. Why that Nobel thing with what, 3 months of Presidential history? Nominations were finalized well before he became President. This was in the bag, STS! I'm trying to follow the $'s and the bouncing ball.

concrete,

At this time, it's the biggest job in the world. Who knows what tomorrow brings? I believe the question is "If he runs, does he have a chance to win?" His handlers have to make that call. If a victory is in doubt ('they' can't risk defeat) he won't run (whether the plan was to have him run or not). All depends who the GOP fields as a Presidential candidate and what the "ear-to-the-ground" reports indicate.

I think the reality may be a combination of all the points made, adjusted by political circumstance, of course.

Cheers.

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 4:32 PM


The O'tolerant left? Where?

What has become of the left?

O's legacy: The left is best when it savages/eats its own; cannibalism.

"This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
...-

"The American Prospect Savages Matt Taibbi For Savaging Obama

American Prospect, the left-leaning political magazine, doesn't like Matt Taibbi's latest Rolling Stone piece slamming the Obama administration's economic sell-out, calling it a "nightmare of a story:" Tim Fernholz: The piece is a factual mess, a conspiracy theorist's dream, doesn't even indict Obama for his real failures...and of course invokes the cold hands of Bob Rubin like a bogeyman at every turn.

This is pernicious for a lot of journalistic reasons, but politically it's bad for progressives because conspiracy theories stand in the way of good policy analysis and good activism, replacing them with apathy and fear.

Fernholz then lists 15 points he says are errors in the article.

What worries him is that all serious critiques of Obama's policies will be lumped with "Taibbi's meandering conspiracy:"

Is it disconcerting that employees of the financial industry make a ton of money? Yes. Is it the revolving door between Washington and Wall Street problematic? Yes. Does the Administration take it too easy on the banks? Absolutely. Are White House advisers too centrist for progressive tastes? Sure. But when you try and tell that story with a lot of lies and innuendo, and misunderstand the basic policies that these people are producing, you don't hurt them. Now anyone who criticizes the Administration will just be lumped in with Taibbi's meandering conspiracy.

Taibbi will likely hit back. At least that's what he did after Charlie Gasparino wrote a take-down of his controversial piece on Goldman Sachs this summer.

Some commenters on the American Prospect site are siding with Taibbi, calling Fernholz an Obama apologist.

"How does it feel to be a second rate Ari Fleischer? Apologia is all the so-called progress media has left," wrote "soullite." Or this from "Paul B:" "Really, these countless apologies for Obama are getting tired."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406176/posts
...-

"Obama's Big Sellout
Rolling Stone ^ | 12/09/09 | MATT TAIBBI

The president has packed his economic team with Wall Street insiders intent on turning the bailout into an all-out giveaway

Barack Obama ran for president as a man of the people, standing up to Wall Street as the global economy melted down in that fateful fall of 2008. He pushed a tax plan to soak the rich, ripped NAFTA for hurting the middle class and tore into John McCain for supporting a bankruptcy bill that sided with wealthy bankers "at the expense of hardworking Americans." Obama may not have run to the left of Samuel Gompers or Cesar Chavez, but it's not like you saw him on the campaign trail flanked by bankers from Citigroup and Goldman Sachs. What inspired supporters who pushed him to his historic win was the sense that a genuine outsider was finally breaking into an exclusive club, that walls were being torn down, that things were, for lack of a better or more specific term, changing.

Then he got elected.

What's taken place in the year since Obama won the presidency has turned out to be one of the most dramatic political about-faces in our history.

(Excerpt) Read more at rollingstone.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406207/posts
...-

"Barack Obama - Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?"

"The "small people", the "rank and file", the "loyal soldiers" of the narcissist - his flock, his nation, his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of the narcissist. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections

Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2009 4:36 PM


ET,

My comment came out before your posting.

I hadn't considered your premise before but our end results are somewhat similar. Could be. I think he was fine with the 'job' but he now knows what it entails and he is way out of his league. He has neither the intellect nor the stamina. He is gaunt looking and it is wearing on him. I think he will refuse to run again (JMO). That may be the "Achilles' heel" in the master plan.

Again, JMO

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 4:48 PM

Goreacle Report: Ich Bin Ein Cottager Detainee.
...-

"Cottage country digs out from full metre of snow

CTV.ca - ‎2 hours ago‎
Cottage country roads are reopen and homeowners continue the big dig after as much as a metre of snow was dumped along the Bruce Peninsula and Georgian Bay."
...-

"Copenhagen police detain 900 in climate change rally

BBC News - ‎57 minutes ago‎
Police in the Danish capital Copenhagen say 900 protesters have been detained following a huge climate change rally. The move came after youths threw bricks and smashed windows as more than 30000 demonstrators marched to demand action at the UN climate"

Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2009 4:59 PM

Garry - I'm with you. I agree with you totally.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 5:03 PM


Dang,

That's "Erik"...sorry.

Posted by: Garry at December 12, 2009 5:23 PM

ET, your analysis may be correct, but there is no position that would bring an adulation that could equal that of the President of the United States of America. He has the White House, Camp David, the staff, the Secret Service, Air Force One, the Presidential helicopter, the press. He is Commander In Chief, escorted and saluted wherever he goes. He has the attention of the world in a way that no other man has. I am saying there is no "greater thing". If he quits, he will loose almost all of it.

Also, the USA has been through much worse than Obama. Their leaders and their fortunes may come and go but their love for their country and for their freedom has survived. Do not like to see them written off so easily for if the USA goes down, so does Canada. We are tied inextricably.

Posted by: concrete at December 12, 2009 5:29 PM

Wanted to respond to batb @ 1:04, but I guess any comment with G*d in it won't be permitted. What's the problem?

Posted by: Snagglepuss at December 12, 2009 6:56 PM

If Obama wants a speaking career,it is his for the asking. Clinton and Gore can attest to that.

Posted by: wallyj at December 12, 2009 7:01 PM

Snagglepuss - did you type in "Ob*ma"? :-)

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 12, 2009 7:10 PM

Erik- Ha! not a chance. Not an idol worshipper.

Posted by: Snagglepuss at December 12, 2009 7:36 PM

HeyheylbO'narcissist.

O is a Democrat in the line of Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK, Johnson, Carter, Clinton.

Democrats protest their own O'Democrat's war.

"This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder." (o.c.)
...-

"US Protesters Seek New Anti-War Movement

Voice Of America ^ | 12/12/09 | Nico Colombant

Hundreds of protesters have gathered near the White House to try and start a new anti-war movement. Saturday's demonstration closely follows President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize speech, in which he said war is sometimes needed to establish lasting peace. Demonstrators in Washington opposed this view, as well as the president's request for 30,000 more U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

"Make it personal, make it personal, because killing is personal. It's immoral. It's personal," chanted protesters.

Former Democratic Alaska Senator and 2008 presidential candidate Mike Gravel led protesters in anti-war chants, while calling for a mass movement to help end U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The gathering, full of peace signs, anti-war posters, and one mock Guantanamo detainee, began under sunny,but cold skies with music from the hip-hop band Head-Roc.

The headline speaker at the event was current U.S. Democratic Representative from Ohio Dennis Kucinich.

"We must rally, protest, march to exercise our civic capacity to bring about real change. Congress must take responsibility. I will soon introduce two bills invoking the War Powers Act, which will force votes on withdrawal from Afghanistan. The decision to go to war is not the president's alone to make" stated Kucinich."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406400/posts

Posted by: maz2 at December 12, 2009 9:43 PM

That's not an anti-war movement, that's a pro-al-Qaeda movement.

Posted by: nv53 at December 13, 2009 1:58 AM
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