Just acting like the true marxists they are. They don't have to pretend they are something else anymore; they won the election.

I have been harping on this since the election of 2008. 7.2B in Stimulus money writes tons of regulations and legal findings.

I still also think EPA is a gift that keeps giving from the Admin, I notice Health care is back on track in the Senate as well.

I just hope the Congress simply writes a one line bill that says HG regulation is the sole domain of the Congress because there is no immediate danger to public health, EPA was created by an act of congress and can be dissolved or amended just as easily. Then Pass it.

That is all it would take to end this threat.

Good news!
Get ready for the avalance of private industry thats going to relocate to Canada.
While the Obamination is regulating itself to economic death we'll be selling to Asia.
I take no pleasure in this, but they did bring it on themselves.

I keep saying it ... this is not a debate. IT IS A WAR for our very freedoms.

How far will you go to protect your freedom and prosperity?

The "Obama-Nation"(tm) EPA claims that CO2 is 'gassing the planet'.

Just another clever disguise for enviro-thugs to put their carbon boot to your wallet.

It ain't about "Saving the Planet" or some other such nonsense its about COMMAND AND CONTROL.

COP15 is just another jacked up scheme similar to "Oil for Food" to support the dictators not of your choosing.

The CO2 police will ensure that you freeze in the dark! But by then it will be too late to contact your favorite politician...if they haven't been bought off yet.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Get yours quick before it's all gone.

Americans put an African in charge of the county and after just one year Presto! You have an African country.

'Good news!. Get ready for the avalanche of private industry that's going to relocate to Canada'.
Part of post by: Doowleb at December 9, 2009 11:52 AM

I have heard this statement from several different people.

Eggzalent! Comrade Lysenko's socialist science has found fallow ground at the EPA!

In my opinion, there will be blood shed over this yet.

I have noticed here north of the border that our politicians seem to have selective hearing judging from the response I got back from Jim Prentice. Perhaps we need to have a Libertarian Party in Canada or at least western Canada.

With any luck, the population of the US will not allow the EPA to dictate. The latest Rasmussen poll indicates 53% of Americans say the EPA should not be able to implement greenhouse gas regulations without congressional approval. The ruling on Monday could pave the way for the agency to impose its own regulations, something that just 24% say the federal agency should be able to without Congressional approval.

In other words, the government is in for a show-down with their constituents. And it ain't going to be pretty.

Expect the EPA to double its budget.

Alberta Environment has managed to grow, by moving into new areas of responsibility. That's how government agencies become more powerful. Larger budgets mean more power.

Corporate departments have the same philosophy. Health, safety, and environment now swings more control, within an oil company, than its drilling department. Everyone, and I mean everyone, within an oil company, has to get approval for any project, from their environmental department. Instead of being consulted to help make projects more environmentally friendly, they now have a say on whether a project gets off the ground.

As you can imagine, this requires many more people to monitor the system. The extra bodies are mostly straight out of school, with no experience or knowledge, of business, physical work, or for that matter, the environment. What they have is an attitude they learned from their green-fanatic professors, and left leaning fellow students. They are now in total control of the business of making the economy function.

I'm sort of glad my life in business is winding down, rather than just getting started.

Pure unadulterated fascism.

Incredible.

Way to go Obama! Hopefully he stands firm in this. The only way to address climate change is through forced measures that have polluters comply or be hit hard in the pocket book. Like it or not people cap and trade and carbon taxes will be a reality.

T, we're all going to be hit hard in the pocket book. Hope you're OK with that.

What's going to happen when it's -40 and the Gubmint Man shows up to tell me to extinguish my woodstove. They are already hyping this idea in areas around Montreal and Toronto. I have 2 things to say to him, one about sex and the other about flying.

"The latest Rasmussen poll indicates 53% of Americans say the EPA should not be able to implement greenhouse gas regulations without congressional approval. The ruling on Monday could pave the way for the agency to impose its own regulations, something that just 24% say the federal agency should be able to without Congressional approval.

In other words, the government is in for a show-down with their constituents. And it ain't going to be pretty."

While I think a lot more people have opened their eyes since the most blatant bait and switch in modern political history by Obama, I don't think the numbers above represent any real threat of a popular revolt. At one point in 2009, the US Congress only had a 9% approval rating, but over 85% of the *%^&% were re-elected.

Obama is just following the precident set by the Liberals in Canada. Co2 is already listed as a toxic substance in Canada under our own Federal Eviromental Regulations. Courtesy of the Liberals.

It is NOT about pollution - it is about carbon dioxide.

Canada will not be a safe haven for American industry.

It is unlikely that the U.S. is going to implement draconian greenhouse-gas measures without insisting that Canada do the same. The term "fair trade" will ring throughout Capital Hill.

Presumably Prentice knows this full well, which may be why he's willing to negotiate in Copenhagen.

From ClimateAudit:

Disconcerted at being left out of the recent Climategate publicity, Andrew Weaver of the University of Victoria on Vancouver Island breathlessly blamed recent break-ins at the university’s climate center on shadowy fossil fuel groups. Weaver connected the break-ins to Britain’s Climategate, which IPCC officials have attributed to shadowy Russian secret agents. Weaver said that the shadowy group took a “dead” computer and ruffled his papers. Weaver said that the ruffling of his papers was “evidence of a larger effort to discredit climate science”.

In other news from the University of Victoria, the Department of Anthropology issued an urgent warning about numerous break-ins throughout the campus, an excerpt from which folows:

Subject: FW: Urgent/Campus break-ins

Hello all,

I’ve just learned that there have been a number of office and lab break-ins across campus in recent days–initially Science & Engineering buildings, but now Cornett & BEC. Psychology has had several offices and labs broken into, and last night there were break-ins in second-floor offices in BEC. Entry seems to be happening by jimmying/forcing locks.

In the short term, you need to ensure that small, portable valuables are NOT LEFT IN YOUR OFFICES, particularly at night when the break-ins appear to have been happening. Consider what would happen to your teaching and research if your laptop went missing–back important files up today …

Keep an eye open and report suspicious activity

GCM (General Crime Modelers) believe that the break-ins at the Psychology Department at the University of Victoria are the proverbial “smoking gun” that proves the teleconnection between American fossil fuel interests and the Russian secret service, that resulted in Climategate.

It is a measure of the arrogance modern DemocRats have that they think they can institute this carbon tax scam in the middle of an unemployment melt-down.

How does the Obama regime enforce EPA regulations on an armed and informed populace? Will he dare use force the way Clinton did at Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Remember those tea parties? They could get a lot bigger and a lot less peaceful pretty quick. Particularly when half the army and half the police forces show up -as protesters-.

Until 2012 and we get another government change and the new government cracks down on the rogue department and guts it.

At least we can pray for that.

Boy, I'm really really praying that this president fails, now. Rush IS right!!

wow, talk about overstepping the bounds of your power, Obama! Just like all the great tyrants throughout history, if you can't get your way by following the rules, rewrite the rules.

That should send the American debt clock into hyperdrive.

Wonder if the display is big enough to show all those zeros?

Leftard philosophy: Make it so. The end justifies the means. The constitution, legislation and due process is so passé you know. Amazing.

All the sates have to do is grow some onions to tell this DC dictatorship to PO. 10th amendment baby!

If the Whitehouse continues to expand its communitarian dictatorship in abeyance of the congress or senate, the states will revolt(except the socialist welfare basket cases the took the stimulus pork)

It's going to be a rocky ride for this Marxist regime to kill off the constitutional republic.

Only a matter of time before O's henchmen try to change the constitution and install a Pres for Life, IMHO. But they'll be sneaky about it.

dp said...
"Expect the EPA to double its budget. "

It already has.

http://illiquidassets.net/?p=208

I Spent 7.2B and All I got was EPA GHG Regulation

The EPA funding was effectively doubled via the budget and Stimulus (09-10)

Yesterday 141 top climatology researchers signed a document that basically said climate change is a lie, and climitegate is just the tip of the iceberg. You would think that should make front page news.

Ammuniton is only effective when used, not stockpiled. Just sayin'.

The climate alarmists are banking on one thing -

The Lie Is Too Big To Fail.

Our Politicians took a look at the financial bubble caused by the fraudsters (derivatives, asset backed securities, easy mortagages ect), and said

"Holy smokes !! This thing is too big too fail, we have to bail them out. We will pick the winners and losers"

Same thing with climate alarmism.

If the Politicians do not bail out the Lie, a lot of banks will go down again because some of their collateral will be worthless.

Like really, people !! ... with carbon dioxide regaining its rightful status as 'non-poisonous', how will this affect the value of;

windmills ?
solar panels ?
the sierra club ?
biofuels ?
david suzuli foundation ?
hybrid vehicles ?
squigley light bulbs ?
the pembina institute ?
Al Gore ?
major media organizations ?
carbon credit futures exchanges ?

Write off all of the above and it would indeed be quite a hit to the economy. No sitting Prime Minister or President wants to be the one to pull the plug - even if they believe it should be.

But it will be pulled - one way or another. Sooner or later.

Yes, I think the politicians as prime-emitters of hot air & Co2, and bureaucrats, and the green-weenies ditto, should do their parts and hold their breath for 2 hours as an example to the rest of us.

I'd be happy to assist by donating a used dry cleaning bag and some fresh duct tape to the cause if they are having trouble.

Peter at 12:53PM:
Can you provide a link to that story?

Ohhhh-kayyyy.

To all the surprised posters here (and you - the one hiding behind Prentice and his crack negotiating team - yes YOU), lets go over some facts:

1. CO2 is virtually immeasurable outside of a controlled environment. 350 ppm (parts per million) isn't exactly alot of gas, ok?
2. Smokestack emissions are expensive to measure, let alone measuring mitigation
3. Compliance measurement is virtually impossible in the absence of personnel, or robust verification mechanisms
4. Abatement and enhancements are likely only to be performed by proxy (you may have heard that word somewhere...)

So, where are we?

The only direct control a government has over a revenue stream is via the legality of a substance. It's all about lockdown and control - a custom stamp, and bureaucrats and officials standing at the factory gates measuring daily production (please see noun: 'distillery').

The only way forward for any Carbon Tax (ETS) is through control of the molecule - or substance - at the base of the tax. This incidence is when such a substance is created, consumed, or disposed. Ever heard of prohibition? Wonder why hemp is a controlled substance? Marijuana? A T4 slip? Get the idea?

Because tax revenues that fuel government and its' insatiable appetite for growth, all come from control of the underlying commodity. As with CO2, all those peeps in Dopenhagen right now are discussing the commodification of carbon dioxide, and the attendant mechanisms that will induce and attach tax upon incidence. In this case: creation, consumption, disposal.

The only way this can be done is by government's control of the molecule. Canada will come around - because of the whole 'fair share' part. Some cheaters will be found, and they'll be a great case for further government expansion.

Who exactly was driving the turnip truck most of you just fell off?

Today in London, Al Gore said, ....."The entire north polar ice cap is melting before our very eyes. Mountain glaciers are melting rapidly in places all over the world with record storms, droughts, floods, fires and sea level increase."

Today in Alert, Nunavut, their most northerly point, it is -32C.

Damn, there must be some kind of science I missed way back in school......Has Al Gore invented a new melting point for ice?

There is someone who could put an end to this nonsense with just one appearance, one speech in Copenhagen - Sara Palin .

Peter -- where did you find out about the 141 climate researchers signing the fraud document? I would be interested in knowing more.

try here:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.retirement/browse_thread/thread/f034b76f59ecb149/f381db9b22c91e29?show_docid=f381db9b22c91e29&fwc=1

Can't wait for the Unification Board to pass the Equalization of Opportunity Bill.....

aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! (please don't forget to try the new beer named after me)

Illiquid Assets at December 9, 2009 11:50 AM

The EPA was not created by an act of Congress. It was created by an Executive Order signed by...wait for it...Richard Nixon. See: "Reorganization Plan No. 3"

"The science is so settled it’s now perfectly routine for leaders of the developed world to go around sounding like apocalyptic madmen of the kind that used to wander the streets wearing sandwich boards and handing out homemade pamphlets."

- Mark Steyn

Agreed Ron. In the past I spoke of the "green bubble" and its inevitable fate. There will be a time when people/countries realize they are paying way above market value for energy. It's when reality hits, that this nonsense will stop, or should I say pop?

I also mentioned that SP could take Climategate to an "apocalyptic" level with one statement. Ironically the MSM has decided to ramp down their coverage of SP and her comments on Copenhagen.

Were I SP's adviser I would recommend that she speak to at least two issues at once when addressing AGW. Discuss social conservative issues along with AGW and force the MSM to either cover her because of her "anti-progressive" views on social issues, or ignore her because of her views on AGW.

I'm flogging Ayn a bit lately, but:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123146363567166677.html

If you've never read it, now's the time....

Stand with Israel.
...-

"Netanyahu cancels trip to Copenhagen climate conference

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has canceled his planned trip next week to the Copenhagen summit on climate change.

Aides to Netanyahu said the reason for the cancellation was the high expense that would be borne by the taxpayer.

Summit organizers foot the bill for hosting heads of state and an entourage that is limited to six individuals. However, due to the extensive security detail that accompanies visiting prime ministers, Netanyahu aides said the cost for the visit would be excessive.

Sources close to the premier added that conference organizers required that the Israeli delegation reserve hotel rooms for a minimum of one week, while Netanyahu had no intention of staying in Copenhagen for longer than two nights.

In such a scenario, dozens of hotel rooms would remain empty and paid for at a cost of tens of thousands of euros.

Netanyahu's bureau added that the premier's tight schedule precluded a prolonged stay in Copenhagen.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ..."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2403873/posts

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Things could get very warm indeed for our American cousins.

This will backfire. The EPA will draw a huge amount of fire from business, AGW skeptics and politicians. Business will complain that they cannot make the promised cap and trade profits, skeptics will file lawsuits, State and Congressional politicians will chafe at the power grab. The EPAs databases and e-mails will be forced open and thoroughly examined. In the end, the EPA may not just lose the CO2 battle but also lose in areas like watershed management and endangered wildlife protection. The public and politicians may permanently neuter the EPA's powers to prevent future overreaches - you know, the precautionary principle.

Thanks, hardboiled -- and Peter for mentioning the open letter. Wow, just wow! A thought provoking letter and an impressive list of signers. If ONLY climate science was what this was about. Indeed this letter will be ignored by the MSM. I just have to wonder though, how many in the MSM wonder themselves about just what is going on.

I join in the recommendation to read the open letter by the 141 climate scientists first recommended by 'peter'. One link was provided by hardboiled. A second one is here:

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/comment.php?comment.news.123.1

The scientists take a safe position by stating that the science is NOT settled and that the responsibility of proof is on the other side. It is an impressive list of international contributors.

Head of California's Cap and Trade Offsets Program: Cap and Trade Won't Work for Climate, It's a Scam

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/head-californias-cap-and-trade-offsets-program-cap-and-trade-wont-work-climate-its-scam

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/07/is-canada-shirking-its-international-obligations-when-it-comes-to-climate-change/">Macleans Poll , when in doubt pick C .

Link , oops .

Time for another Reagan to do to the EPA, what he did to the Air Traffic Controllers. Fire them all and start over again.

Hardboiled:

1. CO2 is virtually immeasurable outside of a controlled environment. 350 ppm (parts per million) isn't exactly alot of gas, ok?

Um, where exactly did you get your engineering degree? The newest gas spectrometers are capable of measuring down to 0.5 ppm, or about 700 times more accurate than the current atmospheric concentration of CO2.

That $40 carbon monoxide detector you might have installed can detect concentrations of 100 ppm.

I say this not to contend that CO2 is a problem, because I don't think it is, but because I believe what you've stated about our measurement capabilities is, in polite terms, male bovine excrement.

One litre of water contains about 62 moles of water molecules. My diabetic blood sugar testing device, which is smaller than your cell phone, is capable of detecting levels of less than 5 millimoles per litre. So, 5/1000's of a mole in 62 moles - that's not quite 15 ppm, but it's not off by an order of magnitude either, and these things cost less than $50. I'm sure the $5,000 and up machines that are used in labs are significantly more accurate.

The computer you might be using, if it's relatively new, is probably using sub-100 nm technology. That means features less than 100 billionths of a metre wide, which is less than 1 ppm. To suggest our technology is not capable of measuring these levels is just laughable. You might also wish to look up the definition of "RCH", which is the finest mechanical measurement known to man.

I expect ignorance from trolls like "T"; if you're going to contribute frequently, you might try to post information that a first year science student could not disprove in a few minutes.

Ghost of Ed,

As a retired Cdn controller, might I ask if you relied on the MSM for the background needed to make that statement in your 2:08pm post (re the ATC firings)?

The US Supreme Court ruled in 2007 that the EPA had the right to regulate emissions of the gases under the Clean Air Act.
I suspect Hopey Changey is about to hit his stride, by-passing Congress with EPA rEgulation..
He's as Green-loopy as Elizabeth May but he has power ...... tremendous power.
And in his breast beats the heart of Hugo Chavez!

Wonder what it takes to file a lawsuit against the EPA?

Lawyers could have field day.

The only good leftist is ... .

The Supreme Court may have given the EPA the thumbs up on CO2 but I doubt that will be the end of it. For example, our Supreme Court OKed the CHRC hate speech provisions but recently the human rights gang have been losing in both public opinion and in court challenges. A combined effort from voters and POed politicians could stop the EPA. Americans tend to be less shy and complacent about voicing their concerns than Canadians.

Pass this or I will bypass Congress? It's gonna be ugly down there O-Bow-ma has not read his history, America came about because the people would not accept taxation without representation. A political coup to fix an imaginary problem.

Lefties will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, screw this all up and it will be open season.

A natural consequence of declaring the air we breathe (out) 'pollution'. Lunacy.

For the last time, the CRU was caught red-handed and the consumer has been (hopefully) apprised of your plans to screw them over.

What strikes me is, are they really that stupid? If the EPA goes ahead without the imprimatur of Congress, there is--quite literally--only one person who will wear the responsibility for this, when it all goes horribly, horribly wrong. Is Himself prepared to feel the down-side of Executive privilege? I suppose it's possible that he might have the capacity to own up to and admit a mistake. For some value of i.

I wonder if he's already filled out presidential pardons for himself, since they can't be revoked (as I understand it).

Those folks who stocked up on ammunition aren't looking so crazy anymore..

Actually the crazy/stupid ones are those who didn't stock up during the clinton/creitchen pregame show..

11 months from now the GOP will gain back the votes to reverse this and impeach Obama.

But they won't do it.

That's why the dems won. The GOP only come in two flavours: Dem-light or extra-strong coward.

Goreacle Report from UNabomber HQ.

It's O's fault.
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UN climate chief softens stance on Canada's record

COPENHAGEN — Canada received a rare break Wednesday at the environmental summit here from none other than the United Nations' climate chief, who essentially pinned blame for the country's dramatic emissions growth on inaction in the United States.

While Yvo de Boer urged Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservative government to take on a "strong and ambitious Canadian target" — code for deeper emissions reductions than Ottawa is currently committed to — he told reporters that Canada was left in an awkward position after the United States ultimately rejected the Kyoto Protocol after signing it in 1997.

"Canada did ratify the Kyoto Protocol, but its main trading partner did not," he said in response to questions."
http://www.thestar.com/news/sciencetech/environment/copenhagensummit/article/736544--un-climate-chief-softens-stance-on-canada-s-record?bn=1

This is Chavez all over again.

He will steal the next election with the giant slush fund he has got, and sometime around 2015, he will be giving speeches about how showers are over-rated, and ultra low calorie diets have been proven by scientist to be better for us, so shut up already.

I have all along stated that the EPA was the real threat as it needs no approval from congress.

There will bs no cap and trade and contrary to Illiquid's statement above the senate is miles away from producing a health bill - at least four dems are opposing a government option.

Also the supreme good did indeed rule that the EPAcpuld regulate gases - but only if they presented a hazard - that will be very tough to prove with CO2. A SC challenge is an certainty.

Posted by: KevinB at December 9, 2009 2:13 PM

I know a little about gas monitors, and you are correct, they can detect some very low levels of certain gases. 10 PPM is a critical number, when dealing with H2S. I was forced to buy a number of monitors, in order to comply with new safety regulations. None of them has a sensor for CO2, yet.

The one thing that bothers me, is, I can only detect gases from ground level, to about a foot over my head. If I want to know the CO2 levels, any higher than that, I have to rely on the data from another source. Now that we know the only major source of data has been caught lying, we're pretty well at square one when it comes to CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

Maybe we should talk about this again, when there's some real data to analyze.

I hope the lazy Americans that stayed home on election day and let the likes of that Oprah hog and Jackson and not so Sharpton pick their leader are proud now. There are a lot of good Americans that have to be sick as to what is happening before their eyes, Land of the Free, is quickly becoming anything but. This scam is bigger than Tiger Woods getting an endorsement from Trojan condoms you Americans, we all have to wake up and make our elected officials lives miserable people or our children will ask why we did'nt. -27 last night, sure kiddies there is a bogeyman called global warming, unreal!

Posted by: KevinB at December 9, 2009 2:13 PM

and the point of my statement is "a controlled environment".

There is no containment of air per se - and CO2 concentrations near a factory farm (and nearby coal fired power plant) are going to be higher than some bucolic meadow at 6,000ft somewhere in the Selkirks.

In other words, the 350ppm is not the same everywhere you measure it. Thus, how do you know that a carbon sequestration field is leaking? Or that a manufacturing plant is not reporting natural gas usage on their 3rd shift?

That's the point of my statement. But yes, precision measuring instruments exist. Hope that clarifies.

They aren't helpful

" ... This will backfire. The EPA will draw a huge amount of fire from business, AGW skeptics and politicians.
...
The public and politicians may permanently neuter the EPA's powers to prevent future overreaches - you know, the precautionary principle.
Posted by: LC Bennett at December 9, 2009 1:47 PM "

... and so they should neuter the EPA. It was the agenda driven EPA that banned DDT resulting in 30+ million deaths from malaria.

"The only good leftist is ... ."

I find comments such as these extreme and unhelpful, and suggest to all that we refrain from such.

That being said, one has to believe that Obama et al know that CO2 AGW is junk, but they believe that enough of us believe it that it can be used as a cover for the draconian measures they are undertaking to de-industrialize and de-fang the USA, Hoping that the Change will be accepted by a pacified (stupified) public. That all sounds good on paper, but when the vegetable truck from California fails to refill the empty shelves at the local Kroger, the pacified will be less pacified than The One imagines. A devalued currency, impossible taxes on energy, and the JIT food supply chain is disrupted. It will only take a few days of disruption to cause great distress in urban centers. Hungry people become desperate. MSM Editors take note: what's guarding YOUR pantry?

Today in history because of the usurpation of the EPA. Americans are now under The Tyranny.
The EPA effectively has canceled the Constitution with government in the hands of the people stolen by an organization that is independent of any elections or control except the President. Chavez has become Obama's mentor.
The USA this day is no longer a Republic.
It won't show for a while but usually if you look at the old soviet block Countries in East Europe. After WW2. It took an average of 2 years to take absolute power & institute Marxism with Soviet
hegemonic tyranny.
I pray God America will win its freedom back.
There will be no elections in 2010.
Just watch. Time will tell.

Well, we'll see. Taxation is the key thing here.

The success or failure of the Obama administration will hinge on its ability to convince the American people that they are not being punished by taxation.

This is a country famous for adding all manner of ballot propositions and referenda to the election process. The danger with any tax or levy that doesn't show tangible results (and quickly!) is that voter patience will snap.

President Obama won the election with 53 percent of the vote. That's not an encouraging margin. Only a small portion of the US electorate needs to become disaffected with the current administration in order to make life difficult for it.

Ultimately, those who impose taxes that simply punish Americans will themselves be punished at the voting booth.

I'm pretty sure things will work out in the end, so I'm not too worried, sort of. But, it concerns me that things are getting rammed through quickly in the US - like the health care thing, this enviro thing, without due process. (Well, KSM will get his due process though I guess.)

Actually, I hope T finds himself sleeping under a cold bridge in short order. His enthusiasm for inflicting poverty upon others deserves a just reward.

With regards to the EPA, some people believe that the EPA was created as a mechanism to slow down extraction of resources from the western states. This would allow for the creation of collateral required for the US foreign debt. Did you ever hear of debt for equity swaps? Look out here comes the Chinese. Forces are at work crippling the USA. And we Canadians are about to follow! Nope this is going to be a huge political fight! We need to communicate to our friends and family.

more and more its like Obama read "Atlas Shrugged" and is using it as a handbook.

Oh forgot to mention. Obama with His Civilian Army is next on the list to be created. His personnel protectors & shadow military of Marxists. With his own picked body guard. Its why the Secret service was embarrassed with those unexpected party crashers. Three Obamas to 2 Chavez's that it was planned. After all he's gone after the FBI & CIA with threats. Even the last administration.
This of course is all speculation, but it sure fits a pattern of behavior.
JMO

hardboiled said: "Thus, how do you know that a carbon sequestration field is leaking? Or that a manufacturing plant is not reporting natural gas usage on their 3rd shift?"

carbon sequestration = CO2 under pressure. If the pressure drops, its leaking. Duh.

Natural gas usage = line pressure drop. Duh^2. If a leak is suspected the gas company sends around one of their sniffer trucks that can detect the leaky propane tank on your barbecue from two streets over...

You sir are a Liberal Party agent provocateur. That's two pay grades below troll. When you look up that thing you see over your head is a snake's belly in a tractor rut.

God help us all if you really do have an engineering degree.

You can count on the US invading...er liberating Canada if businesses from the states move here in droves. He'll see people living a good life on the other side of the border and will know that it makes him look bad. Commies can not have a democracy on their doorstep.

Crazy stuff for sure but not as crazy as......

Ah yes!!! Nothing like the smell of napalm in the morning!!

O'Dear Leader: "looms"? The spinning wheel spins.

The natural end result of "command and control", aka collectivist totalitarian communism: Starvation & Death.
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Winter of discontent looms for N Korea

The North Korean grapevine is delivering stories of increasing hunger and shortages sparking rare public dissent in the wake of last week’s redenomination of the currency just as the country’s bitter winter closes in.

The change to the new won, which carry a face value of 1 per cent of that of old won, was supposed to be completed over the weekend, but reports suggest the situation is still unsettled and confused though there is no indication that the authorities are unable to contain public reaction. The disruption comes as Stephen Bosworth, the US special envoy to Pyongyang, meets North Korean leaders on Wednesday on his official debut visit.

“North Koreans are starving because people are reluctant to sell in the market,” said Park Sang-hak, a defector who is president of Fighters for Free North Korea, a Seoul-based campaign group. “Some people have even crossed into China to buy rice with yuan.”

Although impossible to verify stories from defectors who rely on contacts in the North, there are tales of frustrated shoppers openly protesting about the leadership in Pyongyang and people weeping in public for the first time since the 1994 death of the founder of the regime, Kim Il-sung. There are even astonishing stories of graffiti and leaflets attacking Kim Jong-il, the son and successor as leader to the late Mr Kim.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2403593/posts

To me the big question is when the US military will step in and remove BO and his commie rabble from office. BO's popularity is heading steadily downwards and, given BO's disdain for the military, I suspect that his popularity is significanly lower in that organization.

It is becoming very clear to anyone who's been watching the US that there is a deliberate effort to destroy the economy and that the current government has absolutely no intention of listening to any opinions not consistent with its own aims and is demonizing any opposition. BO has shown his disdain for the US constitution and the job of the military is to protect the US and the US constitution.

Public anger in the US is already greater than it has ever been in the past and it wouldn't surprise me if high level US military officers are making plans of when to intervene to remove the current goverment from office. This would be a far cleaner operation than letting the situation go on to the extent that it results in a civil war. At the rate BO's popularity is plummeting, I suspect that any such military move would meet with considerable approval if it should occur.

Phantom- It isn't quite so simple as checking for pressure drops. I'm assuming these storage facilities will be quite large, and will have a steady stream of incoming gas. They'll have to be underground, in some sort of cavern, or depleted gas formation. It won't be all that easy to inventory.

Gas inside a pipeline is also hard to keep accurate accounting for. Rural gas co-ops have settled upon 5%, as the loss due to leakage. That's what users pay as a premium, on their bills. The fact that gas is constantly entering, and leaving the system makes real time inventory a real shot in the dark.

Leak detection is about to become the newest scam on the ever growing list of scams, that make energy prices soar higher every day. Contractors will soon buy enough influence, within HSE departments everywhere, to make detection a required service.

There's actually a company, claiming they can detect a gas leak, a mile away. We're talking about a leak you couldn't smell, with your nose a foot away. People in corporate offices are buying into this crap, just to make it look like they care about the environment. I'll bet, nine times out of ten, they've just detected a cow, in the adjacent pasture.

I agree Brian, the EPA is one of those ideas that sounded great in theory "let us protect the environment" but is a disaster in practice "let us have the power to unilaterally destroy the livelihood of businesses and individuals".

Fascism based on big lies in service of a hidden agenda to enrich the few at the expense of the many.

That's what it is in a nutshell.

It's just like National Socialism, Communism and Islamism.

"The EPA was not created by an act of Congress. It was created by an Executive Order signed by...wait for it...Richard Nixon. See: "Reorganization Plan No. 3"

Actually the EPA of today was an Executive Order as you say but the legal authorization was created under under the "National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA)" of 1969. This paved the way for the EPA and is still the authorization it operates under.

"To declare national policy which will encourage productive and enjoyable harmony between man and his environment; to promote efforts which will prevent or eliminate damage to the environment and biosphere and stimulate the health and welfare of man; to enrich the understanding of the ecological systems and natural resources important to the Nation..."

It has two parts the Environmental Policy and the Enforcement Action. The Administration cannot create an agency with legal enforcment capabilities without an authorization of congress. No one branch can pass legislation.

Those of you thinking this will result in some kind of revolution or military coup are deluded.

Bug business (Wall Street) is onside with that scheme. Goldman Sachs and others stand to clean up big time. They own the Congress, the Senate and the White House executive anyway.

The millions of impoverished, jobless and homeless don't care. They have nothing to lose.

Except for a few tea-partiers the rest are far more interested in the NFL, Nascar, and how many girls Tiger has slept with.

Garry
I'm not sure what point it is you're trying to make. Are you saying it didn't happen?
In 1981 Ronald Reagan fired 11-thousand air traffic controllers.
I didn't have to rely on the MSM at the time. I'm a retired journalist.
If you have any doubts about the media check the PATCO website here:
http://www.patco81.com/PATCO%20History.htm

Additionally the Clean Air Act 1970 which the EPA derives this regulatory authority from was also an act of Congress and can be ammended as such.

An EPA by any other name would still smell as foul and require an Act of Congress to exist.

The HopeNChargem AGW/Copenhagen Freeloaders from Canada.

Who is paying for this junket? Stupid question, eh, PM Harper?

Shame on you, PM Harper.
...-

"Advisers list

Shawn A-in-chut Atleo: National chief of the Assembly of First Nations.

Elyse Allen: President and CEO of GE Canada.

Gary Doer: Canada's 23rd ambassador to the United States.

David Emerson: Former federal Conservative cabinet minister.

Charlie Fischer: Former president and CEO of Nexen Inc. Special adviser on carbon capture and storage under the U.S.-Canada Clean Energy Dialogue.

Daniel Gagnier: Fhairman of the International Institute for Sustainable Development and past chairman, board of directors, for the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters, past chair of the Canadian Standards Association, and past chair of the International Emissions Trading Association.

Linda Hasenfratz (Newton): CEO of Linamar Corp.

Mike Holmes: Host and creator of the popular television show Holmes on Homes, and eco-friendly homes developer.

William Lahey: Director of the Dalhousie Health Law Institute and an assistant professor at Dalhousie Law School.

Jacques Lamarre: Former president and CEO of SNC-Lavalin Group Inc.

Steve MacLean: President of the Canadian Space Agency.

Heather Munroe-Blum: President, vice-chancellor and senior officer of McGill University.

Robert Prichard: President and CEO of Metrolinx, the regional transportation authority for the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area, and vice chair of Canada's Science, Technology and Innovation Council.

Indira Samarasekera: President of the University of Alberta.

Mary Simon: President of Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami, a national Inuit organization.

Nancy Southern: President and CEO of Atco Ltd. and Canadian Utilities Limited.

Galen G. Weston: Executive chairman of Loblaw Companies Ltd., Canada's largest food distributor."

"17 prominent Canadians to advise Canada at greenhouse talks"
http://www.canada.com/technology/prominent+Canadians+advise+Canada+greenhouse+talks/2322670/story.html

Time to set a few matters to rest.

Coups---civilian or military......

The reality is that these matters are difficult and possibly impossible to predict.

OBOZO will find little support using force. He has succeeded in alienating the Police, Military and Inteligence agencies.

It is a relelvant point that 1/2 the police and Military are Tea partiers. But this does not mean a probable coup---just a possibility.

The stocking of ammo by civilians is relevant....in principle it's potential is a deterant effect. Much like MAD during the COLD WAR.

The OBAMA/REID/POLOSI axis are VERY cognizant of the potential....it apparently disturbs their sleep.

The deciding factor is the military....as it is with most nations.

WHO is an agency of AGW UNabomber Mao Stlong’s United Nations Fraud.
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“WHO ‘Mr Flu’ under investigation for gross conflict of interest – another scam on you

The man with the nickname “Dr Flu”, Professor Albert Osterhaus, of the Erasmus University in Rotterdam Holland has been named by Dutch media researchers as the person at the center of the worldwide Swine Flu H1N1 Influenza A 2009 pandemic hysteria.

Not only is Osterhaus the connecting person in an international network that has been described as the Pharma Mafia, he is THE key advisor to WHO on influenza and is intimately positioned to personally profit from the billions of euros in vaccines allegedly aimed at H1N1.

(Excerpt) Read more at financialsense.com”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2404208/posts

O'IgNobel Narcissist.
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"Nobel peace prize: Norwegians incensed over Barack Obama's snubs

Barack Obama's trip to Oslo to pick up his Nobel peace award is in danger of being overshadowed by a row over the cancellation of a series of events normally attended by the prizewinner.

Norwegians are incensed over what they view as his shabby response to the prize by cutting short his visit.

The White House has cancelled many of the events peace prize laureates traditionally submit to, including a dinner with the Norwegian Nobel committee, a press conference, a television interview, appearances at a children's event promoting peace and a music concert, as well as a visit to an exhibition in his honour at the Nobel peace centre.

He has also turned down a lunch invitation from the King of Norway.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2404200/posts

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/carlin-the-politicization-of-the-epa-%E2%80%94-an-administrations-radical-gamble-pjm-exclusive/2/

"And just to make things worse for the administration, it is not only now clear that key parts of the global warmists’/UN science is scientifically incorrect (see my March Comments and my more recent blog post), it is now also clear how their science came to be the way it is. We now have the actual computer programs used to bring this about, as well as some of the email and programming comments of some of those working to bring this about. Even Mother Nature is not cooperating, with very cold, wintry weather sweeping the United States this week.

The Administration’s Agenda

Finally, public support for the global warming/UN science and greenhouse gas regulation is dropping rapidly.

Is it wise for the administration to take all these risks from a political viewpoint? Or is the outcome going to be similar to the recent one in Australia, where last week Parliament turned down a cap a trade bill for the second time?

Unless the administration is driven solely by a radical environmental agenda come what may, the only rational conclusion is that they think they can somehow overcome all these major risks. The loss of even one of these sub-gambles may doom the lot.

So perhaps they are driven primarily by environmental dogma, rather than political calculation? Maybe they actually still believe they are saving the world, despite the demonstrably bad science they have endorsed in order to support this view?

The Skeptics Are Unlikely to Compromise

On the other side of the issue, the skeptics are unlikely to be willing to compromise, given the recent confirmation of their suspicions concerning how the warmists’ science was derived. From their viewpoint, there appear to be only a limited number of options:

1. Assume that at least one of the lawsuits that may emerge will be upheld by the courts.
2. Look for a must-pass bill to attach a rider prohibiting funds being used to implement greenhouse gas controls under the Clean Air Act.
3. Use the Congressional Review Act to overrule the endangerment finding.

Whichever of these options the skeptics may pursue, the outcome will be the still further politicization of the EPA. This may have much longer lasting effects than the current fight over global warming control, and could lead to the end of the EPA as a primarily science-based agency."

Alan Carlin has carried out or supervised economic and scientific research on public policy issues for over 40 years — first at The RAND Corporation, and since 1971 at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

It appears the Admin is wanting to take on a battle royal...

Get the beer and popcorn, should be quite the show.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

dp, phantom, hardboiled:

1 - Highly concentrated local areas of CO2 intensity? May be possible, over a short distance and for a very short time, but seriously: after your bonfire burns out, how long does the smoke cloud take to disperse? I think the air is one of the most miscible media we have, so, on my basic understanding of osmosis (which my first year chem professor told me was how he cleaned leaves on his lawn..), I think this is highly doubtful.

2 - dp, phantom: thanks for your support. As I'm sure many know, natural gas providers inject "mercaptans" (obnoxiously smelly sulphur compounds) into natural gas which is, naturally, odour free. This helps identify potentially dangerous leaks. The extremely receptive, expensive, and poorly duplicated technology we call a "nose" can apparently detect mercaptans at levels of 10 parts per billion, or less than 1,000 times the average atmospheric CO2 concentration.

If I seem to have a bug up my butt about this, it's because I expect sloppy science from the left in virtually every area. They don't go into hard sciences (or hard work like farming) for a reason. I think Jack Nicholson had a cogent comment about this in "A Few Good Men". But, Kate willing, I will hold posters here to a higher standard - if you're going to agree with me, I want your facts to be at least arguable, if not demonstrable. Posting arrant nonsense does our causes no good, and if I'm going to be judged by the company I keep (which the MSM seems to do to the right far more than it does to the left.. gee, why is that?), then I expect a certain degree of diligence on everyone's part (including mine, and I believe I've demonstrated my willingness to both apologize and retract when I'm shown to be wrong).

Oh SNAP - not only do I post a snarky response, and then when, after hastily pressing the "Submit" button, I see that 10 parts per billion is about 10,000 parts per million, or less than 30 times the concentration of CO2, not a 1,000 times less as I mistakenly posted. Apologies to all.

Ghost of Ed,

"Are you saying it didn't happen?" (Duh? No. I'm a retired controller. You missed that?).

"I'm a retired journalist". (I'm concerned now).

Respecting Kate's request to take personal, off- topic dialogue elsewhere..(jgpag@hotmail.com should you wish)...I'm saying you're comparitive analogy doesn't hold H2O. I don't think you know what went on (inside the FAA/PATCO situation). I do.

As far as firing those in the EPA...I agree.

Cheers.

No problem KevinB. hardboiled clearly doesn't know his backside from a hole in the ground. I'm NOT an engineer, but I do know a couple things and the fact that natural gas, propane and etc. are tagged with smells is one of them.

Note to hardboiled, is there some reason you couldn't tag the CO2 in the big frickin' storage facility to see if its leaking a little?

As dp says, the detection of -small- leaks in large systems can be problematic. But if its a small leak, who cares? hardboiled is talking about a whole frickin' factory using gas unreported, you're going to -notice- that.

Furthermore, if we are talking about leak detection at a CO2 storage, do we -care- if it leaks a bit? It isn't like CO2 is poisonous, or explosive, or indeed harmful in any way whatsoever. Its used in FOOD for crap sakes. For a leak to be a problem it would have to be measured in hundreds of liters per hour I would think.

I just had a heater installed. They test the iron pipe for leaks by pressurizing it to 25 pounds for 20 minutes or so with a glorified bicycle pump. Since the propane runs at less than half a pound pressure, that's a pretty decent margin. Being basically a belt-and-suspenders man, I pre-tested my pipe installation job at 50lbs pressure overnight. If a little is good, a lot is better I figure.

Can I generalize from a 200 gallon propane tank to a 200 gallon per minute industrial installation? No. But do they test it the same way? Yes. 1/2 inch pipe or 16 inch, same same. They just spend more money testing the big stuff, because it makes a bigger bang if they mess up.

Garry:
Then I ask again. What was the point of your original comment?

Ed,

Sorry Kate,

The point of the original comment was to establish the basis of your comment re the ATC firings. In my experience most, who have made similar comments in the past (not here), haven't had a clue as to what was going on. They were ignorant of the facts.

As an ex-journalist (only found this out in your reply) I now expect you would have had the resources to find out what was what. Your analogy still doesn't hold H20. You have no idea how much safety was comprimised. I do. It simply doesn't doesn't compare.

With respect to Kate's request regarding off-topic comments and to you: this is my final (last) reply, in this thread, on your comment(s).

Again: jgpag@hotmail.com

Cheers.

Oh don't worry Kate, I won't be seeking shelter under a bridge any time soon. We have heard, in the past, screeching from the likes of you and your ilk, and amazingly enough good wisdom and public policy has prevailed. Sleep well.

T - I suggest you sign over all your possessions and your life savings to your Climate Change cause, strap a monitoring device to your ankle, continue being programmed like software and be done with it. We all need role models, and since your are clearly willing to die for your cause, this suggestion is relatively small sacrifice on your part - given your earlier comments you would probably find doing so highly gratifying.

Revnant Dream - I absolutely agree with you - I thought it very odd the couple were able to crash the party. I would even go further and suggest the timing of the Tiger Woods outing is suspect; given he and Obama were golfing together fairly recently. It's certainly serving as a handy distraction for the msm to avoid discussing our up and coming absolute enslavement to worldwide fascism.

Folks, don't feed the troll. It will stop coming if it doesn't get fed.