Here, courtesy of Mississauga Matt, is Mr. Rex Murphy's latest commentary, Climate Change: Science or Politics? Interestingly, perhaps, on 2006-07-06 it was noted here at SDA that Mr. Murphy wrote, in Selling something, Dr. Suzuki?, in the Globe and Mail, on 2002-09-28:
"Ratifying the Kyoto Protocol is a real debate, has real costs, is a mix of guesses, best estimates and conflicting claims, with real consequences whichever way it's decided. For the sake of the debate, let's lay off the science unless it is science."
Now, seven years later, here we are. The climate change shysters lied to us. For two weeks now I've been waiting for a definitive public summary of the situation ~ not for students of politics, for Kate has covered that ~ rather something my mother, god bless her, at 83, can understand. Thank you, Rex Murphy.
Updated on Friday Afternoon (Bumped):
I am pleasantly encouraged by the number of commenters, in the discussion of Mr. Murphy's commentary in the article about it at Anthony Watts' blog, who have realized just how good that video is. I think that sometimes some of those of us commenting here at home can't see the effective result we have at hand because they are so livid over various other things. After hearing Mr. Murphy's comments, normal people aren't going to, for example, fixate on some television news reader's facial expression.
Anyway, I found a transcript at the Paths to Knowledge blog, where Mr. Murphy's commentary is described as "An amazing editorial by Rex Murphy. Stunning in it's clarity. Absolutely stunning. Breathtaking in it's scope. A video that everyone interested in their planet must see". Pick the Continue Reading link to view the transcript.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgIEQqLokL8
“When Jon Stewart, the bantum rooster of conventional wisdom, makes jokes about it you know Climategate has reached critical mass. Said Stewart: 'Poor Al Gore, Global Warming completely debunked via the very internet he invented'.
"Stewart was half joking, but Climategate is no joke at all. The mass of emails from the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University let loose by a hacker or a whistle-blower pulls back the curtain on a scene of pettiness, turf protection, manipulation, defiance of freedom of information, lost or destroyed data, and attempts to black list critics and skeptics of the Global Warming Cause.
"Now the CRU is not the only climate science advisory body but it's one of the most influential and feeds directly into the UN Climate Panel on Climate Change. So let's hear no more talk of the science is settled when it turns out some of the scientists behave as if they own the very question of global warming, when they seek to bar opposing research from peer review journals, to embargo journals they can't control, when they urge each other to delete damaging emails before freedom of information takes hold, when they talk of 'hiding the decline', when they actually speak of destroying the primary data, and when now we do learn that the primary data has been lost or destroyed. They've lost the raw data on which all the models, all the computer generated forecasts, graphs and projections are based. You wouldn't accept that at a grade nine science fair!
"Now CRU is not the universe of climate research but it is the star. These emails demonstrate one thing beyond all else, that climate science and global warming advocacy have become so entwined, so meshed into a mutant creature, that separating alarmism from investigation, ideology from science, agenda from empirical study is well neigh impossible.
"Climategate is evidence that the science has gone to bed with advocacy and both had a very good time. That the neutrality, openness and absolute disinterest that is the hallmark of all honest scientific endeavor has been abandoned to an atmosphere and a dynamic not superior to the partisan caterwauls of a sub average Question Period.
"Climate Science has been shown to be, in part, a sub branch of Climate Politics. It is a situation intolerable even to serious minds who are on side with Global Warming such as Clive Crook who wrote in Atlantic Magazine about this scandal as follows, 'The stink of intellectual corruption is overpowering'.
"Climate Science needs it's own reset button, and Climategate should be seen not primarily as a setback, but as an opportunity to cleanse scientific method. To take science away from politics, good causes, and alarmists, and vest climate science in bodies of guaranteed neutrality, openness, real and vigorous debate, and way from the lobbyists, the NGO's, the advocates, the Gores, and professional environmentalists of all kind.
"Too many of the current leadership on Global Warming are more players than observers, gatekeepers not investigators, angry partisans of some global re-engineering rather than humble servants of the facts of the case.
"Read the Climategate emails, you'll never think
of climate "science" quite the same way again.
"For the National, I'm Rex Murphy."
Posted by Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 5:00 PM
Good on ya Rex Murphy, finally an Irishman who gives a tinker's damn!!
After several decades of caterwalling to 'save the planet', a refreshing piece from the LSM.
Rex earned his paycheck today.
Yes, time to put the "AlGoracle" to bed...
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/dutch-gore-wrong-on-snows-of-kilimanjaro/
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
Oh for petes sake Rex wants to 'reset' AGW 'science'- translation: hire more science hacks to start another 'take' on the same old fanatical cult. Rex gets his paycheck from taxpayers...Vaclav Klaus he is not! Rex has sat at his tax funded desk for 14 days while the blogosphere exploded. This is the mother corps knashing teeth and grasping at straws...leaves a bad taste.
Posted by: Jema54 at December 4, 2009 2:02 AM"For two weeks now I've been waiting for a definitive public summary of the situation ~ not for students of politics, for Kate has covered that ~ rather something my mother, god bless her, at 83, can understand."
Exactly! For the last week I've been trying to explain the situation to my parents and other family members whose main source of news is the CBC. Being loyal CBC viewers they obviously had no background knowledge of any developing controversies, just suspicions that they weren't getting the whole story. I had a lot of material to cover....
Posted by: ChrisinMB at December 4, 2009 2:06 AMOkay Jema54, instead of LAME STREAM MEDIA we'll amend that and call it the:
LATE STREAM MEDIA
Better late than never...?
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
Wonder if Rex'll get a Xmas card from Suzuki, this year? ;)
Posted by: DaninVan at December 4, 2009 2:16 AMUm, Jema, Rex has been reasonable about this since, as noted above, at least 2002. Can you separate the man from the medium? If so, then nota bene: this is a video you can use, over and over again. It's your tool. Do with it what you will, but if you don't use it for marketing to your audience, then you are not realizing your potential benefit.
You wanna' email your MP: send this video.
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 2:19 AMI sometimes wonder how the CBC puts up with Rex Murphy or perhaps they need someone they can point to him as an exception when people state that the CBC is comprised of moronic moonbats.
Rex Murphy has always been interesting to listen to and this piece was no exception. I too believe that we need to reboot climate science as we need to know what the long term climate trends are based on objective scientific study that is OPEN. There is definitly a human effect on climate which is now predominately the urban heat island effect. This is easily seen when one happens to live in both downtown Vancouver and a much smaller center in the interior which I used to do and spent as little time in Vancouver during the summer as possible. Dr. Pielke Sr. has been studying this phenomenon and climate effects of human land use.
The problem has come about when a trace gas was vilified and used as an excuse to bring in a global totalitarian government. That is what we are fighting and I think more and more people are realizing this.
Yeh, the CBC needs Rex for balance alright. On Sunday, CBC Newsworld is going to run An Inconvenient Truth AGAIN! Does anybody have any idea of how many times that is? It must be at least six. What a bunch of sleazy fellaters.
Posted by: Zog at December 4, 2009 2:51 AMLook, it's Rex Murphy's commentary, not the CBC's. Did I miss
the memo? Are y'all starring in the movie "We Shoot Our Allies"?
Rex Murphy, Mr. Canada, is on your side.
It's not about the fucking CBC.
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 2:59 AMJema,
I will follow the facts ... wherever the FACTS take us. The AGW Theory is effectively dead in the water. But if a new generation of REAL scientists - both paid & unpaid - were to work together collecting & analyzing data - in an open source kind of way - then I would VERY much support that.
Robert
Posted by: Robert W. (Vancouver) at December 4, 2009 3:02 AMVit said: 'Are y'all starring in the movie "We Shoot Our Allies"?'
I don't believe I advocated a "friendly fire" incident. Most reasonable gunhandlers don't shoot themselves in the foot.
While there are many things worthy of criticism over at the CBC, Rex Murphy for the most part has some thougthful things to say.
When someone of from the bastion of statism, namely the CBC, is passing you the puck, you try not to score on your own net.
KEEP YOUR "MANN" HOCKEY STICKS ON THE ICE!
I think that's a two minute "Mann sticking" penalty.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
Ah yes, sorry Hans, I didn't mean to catch you in that net, for you were quite clear in your Good on ya Rex Murphy. It's just that, crikey, we search for allies in explaining to the public the appalling nature of the fraud at hand, and we find one such an ally in Rex Murphy, and some people still can't help themselves but talk about the CBC rather than Mr. Murphy's arguments to their favour. I guess I just don't get it.
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 3:32 AMPeople need to understand that there is no "real science of understanding climate change" out there that some miscreants have denied, at least I don't believe there is. People make various claims, but the fact of the matter is, people in the science generally cannot routinely predict what will happen two weeks, a month, or a season ahead. Some people are better than others at it, but nobody is so routinely good at it that we could turn to them and ask for their infallible opinion about what long-term trends will be.
As much as it pains both the professionals and the confused public, we are not at that stage of understanding in atmospheric sciences. The current "theory" was bound to fall apart sooner or later, for purely logical reasons. If nobody can tell you with assurance what the weather will be like in March or July of 2010, then how could they tell you with greater assurance what it would be like in 2020 or 2050 in various parts of the world?
This would be like NASA saying, "sure, we can land a probe on Saturn's moon Titan, in about seven years, but we have no clue where that probe will be in two years, or four, or six."
Give me a break. This whole question has been dead obvious since it first surfaced in 1982. In the 1980s, people were talking very confidently about how the ski resorts of Ontario and New England would all have to close down by now. Remember? Or something about palm trees growing in New York City.
That's really the exact same balderdash as the hockey stick and the feared 6 C upswing in global temperatures by 2050, all the myths that are just pure fantasy projected by drawing lines on a computer model art program.
This won't stop the Church of Climate Change from assembling in Copenhagen and going through their Dan Brown rituals, but somebody should ask them where they lost the Ark.
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at December 4, 2009 3:33 AMI'm with Jema. Rex should have denounced "cllimate science". What the hell was "climate scince" prior to AGW? Local weather forcasts.
Rex is calling out the frauds without discrediting the entire idea of AGW - which is what current "climate science" is based upon.
AGW is "climate science".
Rex simply (intentionally?)leaves the door open for AGW alarmists to reorganize, while giving the impression he is dicreditting it.
Posted by: ward at December 4, 2009 3:36 AMThis is excellent! I can finally send something to my AGW-believing CBC-loving friends and relatives that they might actually pay attention to and who knows they might even want to read the emails for themselves. This also gives PMSH lots more leeway re Copenhagen without courting defeat in an election.
I'm with Vit and Hans. What's the goal, after all, to trash CBC or to ensure that the AGW agenda is defeated? To feel good or to win?
Posted by: Simone in BC at December 4, 2009 4:00 AMward:
"What the hell was "climate scince" prior to AGW?"
Actually there was such a field.
Professor Lindzen in the Wall Street Journal
recently wrote a column
saying that the worst scandal of the AGW cult is
the damage done to the field of Climate Science
in which he has long been a researcher.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
Falsi cation Of
The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Eff ects
Within The Frame Of Physics
Version 4.0 (January 6, 2009)
replaces Version 1.0 (July 7, 2007) and later
Gerhard Gerlich
Institut fur Mathematische Physik
Technische Universitat Carolo-Wilhelmina zu Braunschweig
Mendelssohnstrasse 3
D-38106 Braunschweig
Federal Republic of Germany
g.gerlich@tu-bs.de
Ralf D. Tscheuschner
Postfach 60 27 62
D-22237 Hamburg
Federal Republic of Germany
ralfd@na-net.ornl.gov
Peter, ward:
While Rex could hardly launch into a full blown discussion on 'climate science' in the space of a ~3 min segment, at least from a physics point of view CO2 as the "AGW greenhouse gas villain" is decidedly a dead letter.
This does not mean however that there is no such thing as a "climate science" per se, only that the incredible complexity of trying to model the planet with n number of non-linear partial differential Navier-Stokes equations will make the enterprise hugely difficult and expensive.
If there is a climate science it is decidedly in its infancy with many more physical interactions to be determined.
For example, there is today no known physics description which adequately models the formation and dissipation of clouds.
How in God's green earth they are going to make 50 year projections based on these missing fundamentals can only cause one to wonder?
Professor Richard Lindzen might have a few thoughts to offer in this regard.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-440869/Global-warming-bogus-religion-age.html#ixzz0YkDg8FRi
"Stern states boldly that the scale of global warming has been unprecedented for at least the past 1,000 years, but he cannot possibly be sure on this point because data from previous centuries is unreliable.
At most, we have a 50-year span of accurate measurements. The only genuine global records of temperature come from weather balloons, since 1958, and from microwave sounding units, since 1978.
What they indicate is a very gently warming trend, nothing approaching the apocalyptic vision of Sir Nicholas.
Moreover, this minor trend could have easily have been caused by irregularities such as volcanic eruptions or El Nino events (major fluctuations in ocean temperatures in the Pacific which affect climate).
Genuine science is about gathering evidence and testing the veracity of theories, not cheerleading for a particular ideology.
That is what is so disturbing about the current debate on global warming. Healthy scepticism, which should be at the heart of all scientific inquiry, is treated with contempt.
Far from being the powerful masterpiece that Blair claimed, Stern's report is manifestly incompetent.
It is another dodgy dossier, where assertions are presented as facts and data is twisted to suit a political purpose."
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
anudder newfie spoke out today too , he did , Danny Williams , said dat ye cant punish Alberta wit da carbon tax because dey pay de lions share of da tranfer payments by jeezus dey do.
Posted by: cal2 at December 4, 2009 4:10 AMZog:
"On Sunday, CBC Newsworld is going to run An Inconvenient Truth AGAIN!
Does anybody have any idea of how many times that is?"
I don't know
but last December
over the Christmas holidays
while channel surfing
I saw that Gore's movie was on CBC Newsworld
3 times in 2 consecutive days.
You wanna' email your MP: send this video:
Climate Change: Science or Politics? by Rex Murphy - CBC
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 2:19 AM
Vitruvius has clearly and plainly put the truth on the table. The Rex Murphy video is a great tool!!
Climate Change: Science or Politics? by Rex Murphy - CBC is now in my MP's email In-Box with instructions to take a pass on Copenhagen.
Posted by: Pat at December 4, 2009 4:19 AManother coverup , this time at the greenest of places (green in terms of greenbacks) the UN.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579108,00.html
and now this, you cant even believe the rocket surgeons.(sp)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/03/nasa-embroiled-in-climate-dispute/
I liked the expression on Peter Mansbridge face. To me it looked like he was thinking "Oh gawd, Rex is off his meds again and talking crazy shite"
Posted by: signaller222 at December 4, 2009 5:12 AM
Bravo. Rex est Rex!!
I would LOVE to get my hands on a hard copy of that text. Anyone ? Any ideas ?
tj
Posted by: TangoJuliette at December 4, 2009 5:53 AMand now this, you cant even believe the rocket surgeons.(sp) ~ cal2
At what point does group-think become conspiracy?
Posted by: glasnost at December 4, 2009 6:07 AMIt's not about the f***ing CBC.
C'mon now Viv, is this explaining things in a way your 83 year old mother can understand?
Mr. Murphy being the APEX of journalism in this country I now counsel, caution and patience, as hard fought a battle as this has been the diligence of Kate and of course others like Watt's up with that must not be squandered. Let not hysteria be the hallmark nor the end of what must be an end to easy taxation schemes.
Hard work and of course diligence, honesty, honor and integrity must be adhered to at all costs.
Pray please proceed but with humility dignity and Honor.
Posted by: Jeff Cosford at December 4, 2009 6:20 AMMao Stlong ask, you wan pet lock?
Wlong question, Mao say.
Light question: How many indurgences my nephew, "Liberal leader" Boob Lae, wan?
"*China explicit[ly] understood that “climate change” was a pet rock business and went into selling the Westerners the worthless environmental indulgences they craved."
$$$$$$$$$$$
"China grants Canada key status
National Post - 2 hours ago
Jason Lee, Reuters Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister, and his wife Laureen pose for photographs as they tour the Great Wall of China in Beijing yesterday.
China deserves rebuke Calgary Herald
China's show of pique Toronto Star"
(google)
...-
"Despite the lip service paid to curbing “carbon emissions”, many countries have been slow to pay up. Talk is one thing. Money is another. The WSJ reports that developing countries, the poorer European countries and even the richer European countries are puzzled over where the billions for “climate change” prevention are going to come from."
"On the arm"
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/
Wipe that damned smile off your face, I'm-Peter-Mansbridge-and-you're-not. This is no laughing matter, you twit.
My only "problem" with Rex Murphy is that although he named Gore, he didn't mention Suzuki -- 'lumped him in with "lobbyists, NGOs, ... advocates, and professional environmentalists."
'Small quibble. Rex's piece is gold and eminently usable to explain the scandal of scandals to laypeople.
Posted by: batb at December 4, 2009 6:55 AMI suspect, Jema54 and ward, that Rex Murphy had to run a gauntlet with the CBC top brass (tarnished and "green") in order to do this report.
As I posted on another thread last night, the David Suzuki Foundation has George Strombopbopbop...oulos on its Board of Directors.
The CBC's up to its ying-yang with the AGW crowd, and seems to have no trouble with Global Warming as Entertainment.
Posted by: batb at December 4, 2009 7:01 AMBBC: What's a "Moderation queue 474"?
Your opinion, please.
...-
"Will the climate change email claims affect Copenhagen?
A United Nations panel is to investigate claims that scientists manipulated global warming data to boost the argument that it is man-made. What is your reaction?"
"DEBATE STATUS
Total comments:
573
Published comments:
96
Rejected comments:
3
Moderation queue:
474"
http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7310&edition=2&ttl=20091204120340
Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2009 7:09 AM"Jo Nova finds the Medieval Warm Period
4 12 2009
From Jo Nova a look at how the MWP looks when other data is used, not just a few trees in Yamal.
These maps and graphs make it clear just how brazen the fraud of the Hockey Stick is."
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2009 7:20 AMRemembering back about "Climategate" not showing on autofill with Google...
Yes, Al Gore is on the board with Google, but he's not the only one in bed with alarmism:
Arnold Schwarzenegger unveils dramatic climate change map which shows flooded San Francisco of the future
"The map, named CalAdapt, which was revealed at a press conference on Treasure Island in San Francisco Bay by Mr Schwarzenegger and Google CEO Eric Schmidt, was created as part of a plan for the state to adapt to global warming."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1232884/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-unveils-dramatic-climate-change-map-shows-flooded-San-Francisco-future.html
I've already removed Google as my home page, and will not use any Google products. Giving Bing a shot - not bad so far. At least Gates puts his money where his mouth is with his philanthropy, not like Gore, Bono, Suzuki who only preach to us to make sacrifices.
Posted by: Doug at December 4, 2009 7:36 AMFFS, REX is a newfie! Let's not deny him his bullshit detection ability by calling him an Irishman (not to say that Irishmen do not have their own bullshit detection devices).
Posted by: PiperPaul at December 4, 2009 7:41 AMKnow what I liked about Murphy's rant? He didn't deny or support the idea of AGW. He called for reintroducing into climate science ideas like transparency, integrity, and the search for the truth wherever it made lead, and put aside the sensationalism and political advocacy.
Posted by: rabbit at December 4, 2009 7:45 AMRex Murphy is a conservative in the heart of neo-liberalism, and I have much respect for him. Particularly on the climate file, where he has been consistently questioning the charade since the early days of Kyoto. Rex is the only good reason to turn on The National one night per week.
Posted by: Mark Peters at December 4, 2009 7:49 AMAnyone know of a transcript of this online?
Posted by: mungman at December 4, 2009 7:51 AMWhat the hell was "climate scince" prior to AGW?
Apparently, now "Climate Science" is some kind of uber controlling, political discipline that must not be questioned.
Mechanical and chemical engineers, geolologists, statisticians, computer analysts (fuck them for their gentle questions to, gasp, ask for raw data) anyone having remotely anything to do with questioning data are complete morons deserving a shutdown if they ask questions. Fuck em, the science is settled.
Thank god these heretics are being pilloried in the mainstream media.
Posted by: PiperPaul at December 4, 2009 8:01 AMFor a full, albiet brief, explanation for the lack of MSM coverage:
Please see Mansbridge snicker at Rex at the end of that piece.
Posted by: biff at December 4, 2009 8:28 AMCal2, in the Fox article doesn't this seem like a familiar UN and most government focus on anything, like EHealth, the gun registry, Toronto's Homeless industry etc.
"Rather than sustainable bricks and recycled mortar, almost all of the $3.8 million in the Greening as One budget appears to go to funding squads of analysts, advisors, consultants and coordinators to carry out assessments, set up benchmarks, devise strategies for raising money, advise procurement bureaucracies, share information and coordinate between U.N. organizations, and write reams of reports, listed in the Greening as One documents as the "outputs" of the pilot phase."
Its all part of the left philosophy of group hugs, meetings and endless talk, talk, talk on the taxpayer's dime. As in AGW nothing is real and practical just political.
Is the next step for the CBC firing Suzuki? Didn't think so.
Posted by: Dave at December 4, 2009 8:30 AMRex put a major dent in the Eco-Grifters scam.
Next up, mocking the Pious at Hopenchangen.
Posted by: Fred at December 4, 2009 8:34 AMThe MSM is so far behind in reporting that they haven't figured out how to spin the political fallout in Australia.
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/02/australian-senate-blocks-cap-and-trade-system/
Posted by: bluetech at December 4, 2009 8:34 AMWhen Rex was done, Peter Pansbridge came back on and to me his grin looked like the shit-eating kind.
Posted by: JMD at December 4, 2009 8:43 AMFinally my G and M subscription is cancelled, it took about a week, I really wonder how many others have done the same thing?
Posted by: tranio at December 4, 2009 8:43 AMA couple of comments - Murphy does stand in stark contrast to his colleagues on CBC. Loki's comment about others in the mothercorp being moronic moonbats is spot on and having Murphy do an op-ed reveals just how much higher on the food chain of intelligence he is. Kinds of debunks the "dumb newfie" image. (now if they could only hide Danny Williams somewhere)
I'm with dopowleb on Vit's use of the 'F' word. I'd have thought that with his/her mastery of the English language and obvious ability to express him/herself clearly - the choice of the 'F' word for emphasis would be a long way further down the list.
Posted by: a different bob at December 4, 2009 9:01 AMThanks for that, Matt, or I otherwise would not have seen it. Just can't stand to watch Peter Mansbridge. As for George S-alphabet -- he is twice as hard to watch.
Posted by: gobi desert at December 4, 2009 9:04 AMI'm writing a new song, hope to get Ray Stevens to help me, it's called "AlGore the Climate Whore". Good on Rex, poor old Peter had a hard time not out and out sneering, sucks to be stupid doesn't it you Climate Whores. Whats next. virgins into volcanos Al and Dave, maybe a sacrifice of Lizzie May into a smoke stack in Toronto, if you can find one big enough.
Posted by: bartinsky at December 4, 2009 9:16 AMCal 2, I also couldn't believe my ears when Danny Millions came to our defence, finally Danny is evolving and seeing what has been happening in this country for years, Alberta supporting most everyone else. Good on Danny, but why can't Slow Eddie point out that fact when he has instant access to the media?
Posted by: bartinsky at December 4, 2009 9:21 AMBottom line:
The science IS NOT settled, therefore AGW political and economic 'solutions' cannot be locked down as urgent nor fully justified.
Green tax revolt anyone?
Posted by: Bill at December 4, 2009 9:36 AMOK - I'm not a scientist and let's say that I 'accept' global warming, well, because The Authorities have all told me their 'Just So' reports.
Then, I listen to Rex Murphy, and what do I get out of it? That SOME scientists have become so impassioned about their work that they have moved out of the objectivity of science and SOME have lied, fudged, prevented dissenting publications. [Frankly, that's not new in the academic world but that's not the issue here.]
Rex says that they've "lost the raw data upon which the models are based". Hmm. But remember, I'm a believer, so this doesn't mean that those models are now wrong. It just means that the data is lost...ho hum.
That is, Rex, in 3 minutes, had a choice of style of report. He could have done as he did, which was to point out the corruption of data and politicization of the agenda and suggest a reset of the science; or, he could have shortened this and added that these two actions, with the rejection of large amounts of contrary data suggest that 'climate change' is not a scientific FACT but a political agenda of worldwide socialism. What to do?
He suggested that we'd best redo the science properly but he made no suggestion about the problem of the political agenda which is THE key activator in this whole scenario and must be confronted. That is, the point is not resetting the science; the concern ought to be with the political agenda. Now - that's something that has to be 'reset'.
Posted by: ET at December 4, 2009 9:38 AML'Affaire Climategate turns "newspaper world", aka MSM, blinder, deafer, and dumber.
...-
"L'Affaire Tiger turns newspaper world upside down
Toronto Star"
a different bob and doowleb: I think Vitruvius expressed it perfectly. Sometimes the f-bomb is precisely what is required, especially coming from someone of Vitruvius's obvious erudition
My roughly 83-year old Newfie grandmother (and mother of twelve) would understand Vitruvius's point precisely.
Posted by: Matt Hillier at December 4, 2009 9:46 AMRex ran for the NDP when he was just out of university so I guess inlight of his current politics that makes him a neo con.
If memory serves, he was quite the radical who led a group of students to strike and occupy one of the buildings and none other than joey smallwood met with Murphy to negotiate a settlement.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at December 4, 2009 9:47 AMO'Goreacle Report: O'Cooling.
Peter's CBC lede story tonight.
AGW+O'Cooling: perfect combo.
...-
"Main Street Tour Faces Frosty Greeting
Wall St Journal ^ | 12/4/2009 | ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON
When President Barack Obama launches a multicity tour Friday to take Main Street's temperature, he will likely get a cool reception from business leaders and workers here who say he hasn't delivered."
Posted by: maz2 at December 4, 2009 9:55 AMET @ 9:38 said...."Rex says that they've "lost the raw data upon which the models are based". Hmm. But remember, I'm a believer, so this doesn't mean that those models are now wrong. It just means that the data is lost...ho hum."
This is the typical response from the true believers, that must be confronted and pounded on at this stage of events, because it is the ultimate in hypocrisy and incompetence, and truly spells out the political agenda we face.
"The data is lost? That doesn't matter, the science is settled."
This is beyond reprehensible, yet, the warmongers, and there are many in high places, continue to repeat the talking point.
That is the next step, Kate, talk this down!
Posted by: DanBC at December 4, 2009 10:01 AMYou Tube view counter stuck at 303. There's another organization that need investigation.
Posted by: Ron in Kathyrn at December 4, 2009 10:02 AMBreaking!
Al Gore, please return your golden statuette to Hollyweird...
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/al-gore-oscar-global-warming.html
The Goracle replies:
"Sorry, I lost it" Sarc/off
Posted by: Right Honorable Terry Tory at December 4, 2009 10:05 AMIt must be remembered that Rex is a commentator in the CBC lame circus not a "presenter", therefore has less to fear from disagreeing with or offending gatekeepers of the true faith. One bit of truth slipping through once a week isn't really going to outrage the rulers of the propaganda dept who deal in massaging or suppressing to produce the "real news by real leftists 24/7".
Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at December 4, 2009 10:17 AMI vote for politics:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091204/ap_on_re_us/climate_poor_nations
Posted by: jcl at December 4, 2009 10:23 AMRe: "You Tube view counter stuck at 303. There's another organization that need investigation."
Not really though, Google owns YouTube.
Posted by: K Stricker at December 4, 2009 10:29 AMDanBC - exactly. Arriving at a conclusive belief isn't necessarily done by factual evidence. AGW is a firm belief and it's arrived at by a reliance on 'Authority' and 'a priori'..and held by Tenacity. None of these methods have a thing to do with scientific methodology.
I, as a firm believer in AGW, have come to this belief by my reliance on Authority. Heck, what do I know about these things, and double heck, all those images of polar bears floating around (and I don't know they do this normally); and all that talk about the seas rising right up to Noah's Ark (after all, it's happened before in Noah's time); and ...
Then, there's my 'a priori' sense that, you know, it does seem to be warm..and the reports about drought in Africa..well, what do I know about the loss of trees there by cultivation, and what do I know about seasonal droughts; and what do I know about population increases that stress the land. So, even though it's been really cold here, in other places, it's been warm (so they say)..and so, my 'a priori' feeling is..Those Authorities are Right.
So, when some neo-con or Big Oil hired hack tells me that my beliefs are wrong, I'll hold on to them with Tenacity.
What has to be exposed is the AGENDA of AGW, which has nothing to do with the environment or with the climate or with science. It's a political UN scheme to transfer wealth from the wealth-producing nations to the welfare-nations. And reducing the ability of the industrial nations to 'be wealthy'. It's Malicious Socialism. Not AGW.
Notice that both Malicious Socialism and AGW are emotional templates, filled with guilt-inducing narratives, filled with recriminations of Past Sins of Greed and Profit and ..accomplishments.
Neither Malicious Socialism nor AGW refer to science, to objective reality; they are strategies of emotional manipulation.
So - if you kick AGW out of the field because it's been exposed for what it is: emotional manipulation rather than science, you are still left with Malicious Socialism. And THAT is the real problem. Malicious Socialism will not give up; the fact that its cover of AGW is statistically blown is utterly irrelevant to its focus. That's my concern.
Posted by: ET at December 4, 2009 10:30 AMPerhaps I'm reading too much into Mansbridge's smile at the end but to me it said "Don't mind Uncle Rex, he's crazier than a loon but we love him anyway."
Posted by: Kathryn at December 4, 2009 10:32 AMI'm sure the CBC keeps Rex so they can point to him (and only him) and claim not to be comprised entirely of lefties. However, this makes him no less admirable. He is on our side on this one. As he says, Climategate has reaced critical mass. It's not going away. Thanks to Kate for her tireless efforts on this one. Once the politicians of the western democracies realize that less than half the population is still drinking the coolaid, they'll jump off the bandwagon, and global warming alarmism will fizzle.
Posted by: Littlebones at December 4, 2009 10:38 AMI really hope the words, "inconvenient" and "truth" get mentioned a LOT in the coming weeks.
Posted by: PiperPaul at December 4, 2009 10:40 AMKathryn, I agree with you about Mansbridge's smile.
I've been sending emails to the PM, Prentice and my own MP. It offends me that Prentice continues to say that the science is sound and full speed ahead on cap and trade and harmonizing with the US. Do our representatives live in some kind of vacuum chamber--where the real world just does not penetrate? I also agree with the previous article that I think the raw data still exists. There are too many clues in the emails about how the researchers were determined not to share the data. I think they're sitting on it as we speak.
On CBC radio this morning, I learned that the Friends of Science (FoS) is under attack from the Sierra Club because FoS had the audacity to post the leaked emails on their website. Reps from both organizations were on the local CBC radio show, and the denials coming from the Sierra Club's John Bennett were comical. Yes, let's not look at the messages sheeple, let's prosecute those who are for free and open debate. So for the first time in my life I called their CBC talkback line and left this voicemail:
The desperation of the alarmist Sierra Club is evident when John Bennett ironically advocates censorship to suppress the widely available emails. It is the very subversion of the free and open scientific process that is at the heart of the these emails. Yet the denials of scientific malfeasance continue from alarmists like the Sierra Club, David Suzuki, and Al Gore. These alarmists insult a scientist like me who knows that what has been going on in East Anglia is anything but science. Thank you.
Allen - I heard Bennett on the radio a few days ago and he was stuck on "10 year old emails". No mention of the code, the deleting to avoid FOI requests, the perverting of peer review, etc.
As has been pointed out before, you'd think everyone would be dancing in the streets because the world is not going to end. Maybe the whole thing doesn't have anything to do with the planet after all.
Posted by: Kathryn at December 4, 2009 11:04 AMET, Kathryn:
Precisely...
You are correct that AGW from a scientific point of view is bogus as noted in the paper above.
I do however take your point that Malicious Socialism is the driving force behind the AGW cover which has been blown.
For the CBC to get to the point where Rex was given some free reign to present the AGW debacle is notable.
Remember Malicious Socialism worships at the temple of the unHoly state. The critical analysis of 'state capitalism' per George Soros, or Maurice Strong's UN 'shakin downin' via environmentalism run amok, or the Copenhagen Treaty appendix which establishes a carbon regulating government for the world, was of course not addressed.
Malicious Socialism always worships at the temple of perpetual revolution, the Anti-Christ to human freedom. Buy your carbon indulgences here!
Don't forget that a lot of the enviro-political organizations, NGOs, lobbyists, etc. also go begging for government dollars which Rex also touched on. When it's dollars leaving the door you bet the people who represent these organizations are going to be defensive.
The reason they are defensive is now also transparent.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"
kathryn - yes, that's fascinating; why aren't people dancing in the streets because the data base of AGW has been shown to be false? Doesn't this mean that the apocalpyse isn't going to occur?
Or is it:
1) that the average Dick and Jane don't come to their beliefs by reason and empiricism but by Faith. The 'experts' in this scam have been honed down to a Select Group; the Al Gore, Suzuki, CBC, IPCC, UN, et al...and THEY haven't accepted that their scam is, well, a scam, and not science;
2) the real template of the AGW is far more important than the experienced weather, which is indeed, not warming but cooling and, if it's warm, well, it's warm elsewhere; Most AGW types are in the West after all.
This template is Malicious Socialism, with its agenda of stealing billions from the capitalist West to hand over to the burgeoning capitalist billions in China and India. Africa is, as usual, left to Aids and malaria.
Since most of the media, academic and non-business bureaucracy of the West is firmly left and anti-capitalist...despite their wellbeing, their salaries, their pensions and etc all due to capitalism...then these people are committed to Malicious Socialism and that 18th c. elite landowner sanctimonious contempt for those people engaged in (sniff)'trade'. After all, a gentleman doesn't engage in trade; his income comes from his inherited lands (now, the Government).
3)The people driving the AGW scam AND its concomitant Malicious Socialism, are the government-paid Set of the West.
They aren't abandoning their contempt for 'workers' and 'market trade' and their mission of controlling the expansion of the market of capitalism. They certainly won't dance in the streets because of any loss of the myth of global warming since their agenda has nothing to do with the climate in the first place.
And Dick and Jane didn't arrive at their beliefs by experience and reason and won't change them until The Authorities tell them to do so.
The template of socialism has to be confronted as well as removing the cover under which it has been operating.
Posted by: ET at December 4, 2009 11:28 AMCBC must have some sort of unwritten/unspoken pact with Murphy. If he ever left their employ, I'm sure he could blow the whistle on that organization and create a scandal as huge for
Canada and Canada's broadcasters as Climategate is for the whole planet. You'll notice he breaks with the official line by suggesting that the leak could just as well have been an insider job as a hacker. He is the only sane voice that Mother Corpse offers. They must fear him, hense, the need to keep him where he can be closely monitored.
Rex was consistent with his separation of science and advocacy, a good segment. Did anyone notice that when it ended and the camera shifted back to Mansbridge, that smile that denoted "oh that crazy coot Murphy, now back to reality" (fantasy actually).
Posted by: John G Chittick at December 4, 2009 1:25 PMAgreed ET, AGW is the battle, not the war. The real issue is defining the enemy, who, where and what they are. If you think the sheeple are ignorant of Climategate, they’re completely clueless to the agendas at play in the larger picture.
Many have opined on how the MSM will react once the scam is defeated. I suspect that they will just ignore the disappearance of the "crisis" and continue along slandering the conservative voting block. I base this prediction on the disappearance of the Ozone layer "crisis" of the 90s. I graduated from high school in 1993 and I recall a constant insistence at school from the instructors that the world was in “peril” because of our reckless western lifestyle.
I have used the Ozone analogy many times while discussing AGW. It’s a good example of the cycle of hysteria caused by the media and parroted by the education institutions and the government. I recall one person saying " Well, I just thought the hole in the Ozone layer was part of Global Warming". Anyways, the MSM will simply drop the story and wait for the sheeple to forget about it.
Btw, Climategate was the topic of discussion in the elevator when I left for lunch.
"it's obvious the science and advocacy went to bed together, and have had a very good time"
LOL
Posted by: hardboiled at December 4, 2009 2:09 PMJema54- You spotted it, right off. He didn't really say anything useful. He want's to restart the game, with the same players. No cheating, this time.
The real solution is to cut their funding, and let nature take its course. By the time climate changes enough to have an effect on mankind, it will have evolved into something completely different, anyway. Economics will shape mankind, same as always.
Posted by: dp at December 4, 2009 2:47 PMThere was more than one poster that e-mailed the CBC ombudsman. The CBC in order to be balanced allows three minute opinion piece. The only problem being.. Rex is good. That's my take.
Posted by: Speedy at December 4, 2009 2:48 PMRex'll get a Xmas card from Suzuki, this year? ;)
I donno, but I will send him congratulatory one telling him that, finally, he may be an OK guy.
Posted by: Relic at December 4, 2009 2:48 PMwant's ??
Posted by: dp at December 4, 2009 2:59 PMThe line of climate research with the hypothesis of CO2 concentrations forcing Global Warming has to end.
No reset button, no do-over.
If hiding the decline was necessary, than we should already conclude that the hypothesis has been falsified.
Not another penny should be spent in that direction, especially by the UN using our taxes with these same guys involved in the research.
They should all be in prison.
Posted by: Oz at December 4, 2009 3:05 PM@Kathryn:
I give the public a bit more credit than my posts would indicate. As you rightly observe, there isn't "dancing in the streets" about the world not ending because most people ignored the doomsayers the first place.
At the same time, these are the same "most people" that could easily be persuaded by a reasoned argument either way. As a scientist it is my job to present evidence that may point to truth or expose a falsehood. It is then up to others to put the spin on my evidence for consumption by the public. Right now, the MSM is spinning the evidence of misconduct as "nothing to see here, move along", but as time is wearing on, the public is repudiating that schtick. I hope that this repudiation turns into opinion polls that suggest public support for the alarmist side is in freefall. If this happens near an election I guarantee that the astute political party will craft platforms that are silent or even dismissive of climate alarmism. I want to ensure that efforts to expose the fraud lead to a situation where it would be a political suicide to suggest to taxpayers that more money needs to be funnelled to a proven scam.
Posted by: Allen at December 4, 2009 3:11 PM@Oz: While I agree that the climate alarmism was a fraud, we haven't seen falsifying evidence against the hypothesis. That's because the hypothesis has never been properly subject to free and open testing by the scientific community!
What has been going on in East Anglia has been a criminal perversion of science that makes the activities of the fiction CRU not worthy of being called science.
Posted by: Allen at December 4, 2009 3:15 PMAllan,
We know that the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere went up, and that the global mean temperature went down.
The hypothesis has been falsified.
Posted by: Oz at December 4, 2009 3:20 PMI just find it refreshing that we're hearing about it from a major news source. Why not jump on it when it first ame to light? What was everyone waiting for? If Mrs. Palin removed her glasses for some reason, you can rest assured that the sleaze media would be over it with some kind of wretched angle. But someone lied about a global green octopus and it's muffled noises and a sweep under the rug!
Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at December 4, 2009 3:25 PMGreat segment by Rex. Not just because of the content but how he ended it, something like " read those emails yourself, you may never look at climate science the same way again"
He should replace Mansbridge, he isn't exactly photogenic but neither is Larry King.
@Oz, falsification of that hypothesis is clear to me. Sorry about that confusion. I am so angry about the perversion of scientific process at East Anglia that I want any trace of this man-made climate change hucksterism obliterated from public discourse.
Posted by: Allen at December 4, 2009 3:44 PMS'okay, Allen.
I'm pretty worked up about this too.
It amazes me that Kate runs such a wonderful blog and still has a life apart.
Me, not so much.
My wife is grumbling about me.
At least I'm getting work done.
@Oz: We'll keep fighting the good fight with Kate and the others who can sort out truth from fiction.
Science has enabled a very good career for someone as curious as me, so you can understand that I have some skin in the game.
Posted by: Allen at December 4, 2009 3:57 PMMatt - Well of course your grandmother would not have been bothered by Vit's use of the F-bomb. I've yet to have a conversation with any Newfoundlander that wasn't laced with the word.
Posted by: a different bob at December 4, 2009 4:09 PMIf Canada had a genuine small-c fiscal, social and judicial conservative Prime Minister he would stand up enthusiastically and ardently as an antagonist of any kind of "Cap, Tax, & Transfer” system of new taxation and wealth redistribution. Rather, the "Cap, Tax & Transfer" system that left-plunging Harper and Prentice keep advocating is a stealth strategy for an enormous, disingenuous, long-term tax increase on all Canadian households. "Cap, Tax & Transfer" would evolve around an economic Ponzi scheme that includes an enormous new source of tax revenue to the Canadian government to allow it to continue to expand into the private sector, demolishing thousands of high paying manufacturing jobs, the emergence of global governance, create a temple of dome which would lock in devastating disasters for our children's generation, and a devastating transfer of wealth from wealth producers to wealth wasters.
This tax increase and wealth transferring vehicle would immediately increase the costs of goods and services such as gasoline, electricity and a wide range of industrial products. The increase in the price of Canadian goods would make them less competitive. Canadian firms would suffer in export markets and domestically in competition with goods imported from countries that do not impose such a high implicit tax on CO2 emissions. There would no doubt be pressure to impose tariffs on imports from other countries that have lower carbon costs. Countervailing tariffs base on carbon content would hurt Canadian consumers, destroy thousands of jobs, and threaten our global trading system.
Any candid, forthright genuine small-c fiscal conservative would verify that the “Cap, Tax & Transfer” tax system is nothing less that the extreme left’s new, socialistic approach to redistribute wealth from wealth producers to others. An ingenuous small-c fiscal conservative, contrasting our CINO PM, would divulge that the “Cap, Tax & Transfer” system is just another version of Trudeau’s National Energy Program which also was created to transfer wealth from the west.
If Canada had a authentic, candid fiscal, social and judicial small-c conservative as PM, he would informed us that the climate has not changed in the last eleven years, that "Cap, Tax & transfer is a socialistic hoax to transfer wealth; therefore, he would not annihilate the Canadian economy just to please the left-wing extremists who insist on higher taxes wealth transfers. The first step must include a discussion pursuant to erroneous computer models which are based on bias assumptions and manipulated data.
It is becoming transparent that the so-called “climate change” panic is nothing more than a hoax by the far-left wealth redistributing advocates, and the tax the rich crowd.
Posted by: machiavelli at December 4, 2009 4:19 PMthe science wasn't settled before and it won't be settled for quite a while,,tho it's good to have rex going to bat for us.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Posted by: reg dunlop at December 4, 2009 5:29 PMBetter watch out Kate - the Sierra Club of Canada is asking for an investigation into the stolen material and is going after websites that are posting the emails etc. Go to http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/media/item.shtml?x=3020 to get their press release.
I'm sure the massed forces of Small Dead Animals can help them see the error of their ways.
Posted by: Maureen at December 4, 2009 5:30 PMWe should print out Rex's commentary and drop off copies of it in the lunch rooms at work, in the doctors offices, and leave copies in coffee shops and truck stops etc.
The newspapers are trying to keep this from the people who aren't news junkies or political junkies so leave copies of this and other good summaries laying around next to the old readers digests and where people will stumble across them.
The MSM could somehow find time to talk about OJ Simpson, Micheal Jackson and everything in between.
Totally corrupt, Lefties you need to clue in that you too are being bamboozled.
Posted by: bob at December 4, 2009 5:48 PMRex has never been a lock-step goosestepping leftie. I suspect his popularity with the centre right in this country is CBC's token gesture to the 35% or more of Canadians that they consistently fail to represent. Funny, that. That one man is perceived capable of representing the views of 1/3 or the country's population, while it takes dozens of frothing at the mouth leftists in the rest of the echo chamber to represent the rest of them says a lot about his influence.
I agree, he should be given a considerably more responsible position at Mother Corpse, but it ain't gonna happen.
Lard tunderin' Jesus 'bye! Dat Murphy is tellin' it like a good Newfie - dat dog don't hunt!
Posted by: Allen at December 4, 2009 5:54 PMCan we get Vaclav Havel to run for PM?
Posted by: puddin n pie at December 4, 2009 6:16 PMThank you for the transcript Vitruvius.
puddin n pie, maybe in Prentice's riding?
Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 4, 2009 6:32 PMBetter watch out Kate - the Sierra Club of Canada is asking for an investigation into the stolen material and is going after websites that are posting the emails etc. Go to http://www.sierraclub.ca/national/media/item.shtml?x=3020 to get their press release.
I'm sure the massed forces of Small Dead Animals can help them see the error of their ways.
Posted by: Maureen at December 4, 2009 5:30 PM
Who is going after websites that are posting the emails etc., the Sierra Club of Canada ? Are they admitting they were part of a possible fraud? They new about a possible fraud and did not report it? What are they admitting to be a party too?
Posted by: No News is No News at December 4, 2009 7:09 PMWow. The comments at the YouTube page are awesome as well.
Posted by: Vitruvius at December 4, 2009 7:09 PM Let this be just the first in a series of commentaries/investigations concerning the global warming scams. Next week I’d like Rex to talk about the world governance aspect of the proposed agreement at Copenhagen. State the names and the connections of the parties involved. - money and power at work again. Do NOT ignore the Maurice Strong behind the curtains.
I’m sure others of you would have similar suggestions. Instead of showing Al Gore’s piece of trash AGAIN on the Canadian taxpayers’ broadcasting corporation , I would suggest giving Rex Murphy, A CANADIAN, the air time. The ratings would increase, no doubt.
So much B.S. to fork through, and so little time. Keep at it Rex.
It is becoming transparent that the so-called “climate change” panic is nothing more than a hoax by the far-left wealth redistributing advocates, and the tax the rich crowd.
The only 'redistribution' carbon schemes will achieve is from the first world middle class to the global wealthy. This is why Power Corporation, Goldman Sachs and other bigwigs are onside with this scam. They will clean up big time.
Maybe the left-wingers think this will create the socialist world order, they could not be more mistaken. The wealthy elites have entirely co-opted AGW to their advantage. The leftists are, once again, 'useful idiots' in promoting that scheme. The five or so billion people living in poverty won't see anything 'redistributed' their way.
And that's why I don't hold much hope our PM will go full-blast against AGW in Copenhagen. Ultimately governments do the bidding of the rich. Just look at 'socialist' Obama giving trillions in bailout cash to Wall Street while Main Street is being boarded up.
The problem i have with many people, both on the right and the left, is that they confuse capitalism with the oligarchy of the elites. One strives for freedom, the other for power. The former will soon be crushed by the latter, and must be defended at all times.
A different Bob,
what he f*ck are you trying to say bye's anyways?
Glenn da Newfie
Posted by: Glenn at December 4, 2009 7:26 PMGlenn - LOL!!!
Posted by: a different bob at December 4, 2009 7:47 PMET, Lorrie Goldstein stated what you are saying in his column last week.
"it's because Big Government, Big Business and Big Green don't give a s*** about "the science."
They never have."
Unless there is a huge upswelling from citizens everywhere demanding this fraud is fully exposed and their governments stop their plans for tax and trade or carbon credits you are right, the battle may be won but the war is lost.
Jim Prentice: "If we do more than the U.S., we will suffer economic pain for no real environmental gain -- economic pain that could impede our ability to invest in new, clean technologies and other innovative solutions to climate change," Prentice said. "But if we do less, we will risk facing new border barriers into the American market."
So we're going to do no more and no less than the US. Isn't it comforting to know that our fate is dependent on 11 Democrats voting "No" on Waxman-Markey? Of course, it could be worse - 10 Dems could vote against it, leaving it up to Biden.
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2304034
Posted by: Kathryn at December 4, 2009 7:54 PMRex Murphy is absolutely right. We would not accept the kind of partisanship displayed by these climate scientists if our judiciary displayed it. While our judiciary decides matters of similar import to the way we conduct our lives, their decisions do not have world-wide and debilitating economic consequences and our Parliament can, if need be, ignore their worst decisions.
These 'scientists' have unduly influenced policy decisions by hiding under the soothing cloak of 'science'. Yet they appear to be pseudo-scientists, unwilling to share the science (indeed, their publicly funded knowledge) with anybody who might invalidate their conclusions.
Brittle egos have colluded to influence our fate.
Posted by: Jan at December 4, 2009 7:57 PMAnother good one from Tim Ball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac&feature=related
Somehow the Monty Python Parrot Sketch comes to mind.. with some minor edits.
Blogosphere: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there.
(pause)
Climate Scientist: Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
Blogosphere: "VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Climate Scientist: No no! 'E's pining!
Blogosphere: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
(pause)
Climate Scientist: Well, I'd better replace it, then. (he takes a quick peek behind the counter) Sorry squire, I've had a look 'round the back of the shop, and uh, we're right out of parrots.
Blogosphere: I see. I see, I get the picture.
Climate Scientist: {pause} I got a slug.
Watch out for the slug..
Posted by: James at December 4, 2009 8:05 PMMurphy's law -- whatever can go wrong, is quite possibly about to demonstrate a non-predictability of outcome so blatantly obvious that even the aging mother of a Liberal civil servant in an old folks' home without full access to the facilities of her once-functioning brain, and by brain I refer to the mass of protoplasm contained in the cranium, a part of the anatomy so revealingly illustrated by your humble servant, that I realize that I have used up my five minutes and I just wanted to say, in my enigmatic and somewhat indirect way, rather cold outside, would you not concur?
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at December 4, 2009 8:06 PMRex mentions Gore but not Suzuki by name. Was he being tactful - Suzuki is a big guy for the CBC and naming him would perhaps have meant the end of Rex on the CBC - or was he censored?
Posted by: Gord Tulk at December 4, 2009 8:08 PMNotice how the CBC is really ramping up the "climate change" stories now?
ooh look! Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth is on again this weekend! what a shocker eh?
Posted by: ChrisinMB at December 4, 2009 8:13 PMVia Drudge:
For the fourteenth straight day, the three broadcast networks have failed to report on the great and growing ClimateGate scandal on their weekday morning or evening news programs. How to explain this?
Perhaps it is that ABC, NBC and CBS have not yet heard of the story, despite two weeks of non-stop reporting on and discussion of ClimateGate in a whole host of media outlets.
Perhaps the broadcast networks only trust their fellow liberal press outlets, like the New York Times. Perhaps they don’t realize the Times exhibited journalistic diligence on ClimateGate, with a front page story the day the story broke.
In the event that ABC News, NBC News and CBS News missed the news, the Media Research Center (MRC) is today rushing each of them a copy of the Times story, in the hopes that armed with this new information, they will finally report a story that has been roiling nearly everywhere else for a fortnight.
So as not to offend the networks’ pro-global warming sensibilities, MRC President Brent Bozell is looking to have the stories delivered by bicycle messenger.
ChrisinMB - The CBC has to pander to that 8% of Canadians who actually watch it. If they don't and it ends up that nobody watches it there will be no reason to keep the beast alive. So, what can we expect from the mothercorp? More Gore!
They understand that they cannot lose any more of their base. It is survival and they know it.
Posted by: a different bob at December 4, 2009 8:55 PMwow, the stats on the video are really taking off fast. Looks like it will go viral.
Posted by: ChrisinMB at December 4, 2009 8:56 PMA different bob at December 4, 2009 8:55 PM ...
Exactly .... and Vitto .... whether or not you like it this IS about the CBC as much as anything else.
Rex Murphy had to get this past the gatekeepers in the programming and production office ... that means that unless Rex has way more pull than all of that there is a contingent within the CBC that is willing to have the sacred cows tipped.
That makes it about the CBC... and it means there is a chance for reform of this cesspool of malignant progressivism.
Heh?
Posted by: OMMAG at December 4, 2009 9:11 PMA comment seen at the Globe and Mail
Funny how a few redacted emails prove to some that a government is guilty of war crimes...case closed.
And yet other emails indicating a far greater crime may have been committed on the worlds population are so easily dismissed by these same people.
Our prime-minister is in Copenhagen promoting this crap and it costs us money. Just another reason (one of many) not to vote conservative,” I didn't in last election, and don't regret it.”
Posted by: peter at December 4, 2009 9:29 PM"Rex Murphy had to get this past the gatekeepers in the programming and production office .."
I'm hoping this could trigger a "changing of the guard" at the CBC. It's a perfect excuse for the Conservatives to flex their muscles and do a little restructuring. Then a little more. Then a little more.
I would bet there are a lot of people at the CBC who have had to bite their tongues for years who would just love to change things.
Posted by: gord at December 4, 2009 9:30 PMInstead of showing Al Gore’s piece of trash AGAIN on the Canadian taxpayers’ broadcasting corporation , I would suggest giving Rex Murphy, A CANADIAN, the air time. The ratings would increase, no doubt.
So much B.S. to fork through, and so little time. Keep at it Rex.
Lois - I would say the same only I would replace "Rex Murphy" with Kate from sda, Lorrie Goldstein, Mark Stein or Steve McIntyre - ALL Canadians and ALL have been 'on to' the hoax for a very long time. Kate has been posting evidence pointing to false data collection for years and Lorrie has written many articles out and out stating that the scheme was a Bolshevik hoax. Rex was very late to the party of questioners...and he didn't peep when the media trashed Rona Ambrose for speaking the truth.
I like Danny Williams because he always speaks for the people who elected him - Newfoundlanders. Newfoundlanders were thrown under the bus by red tories and liberanos when Que. swindled NFLD out of the Churchill hydo project - somehow I cannot see the powder puff Premier of Que going anywhere when facing off with Danny Williams!! Special Ed in Alta...not so much...Danny is the only Premier in the country that I would vote FOR at this time.
Joey Smallwood sold out the rich resources belonging to the people of NFLD NFLD for the baby bonus.
I trust the Prime Minister. He knows what he is doing.
Not one person who would lower themselves to work for a nefarious outfit like the CBC deserves my trust. I have seen Rex veer left far too many times to trust or elevate him to the most credible source to send to the PM. The PM is on to the media and their games of playing nicey, nicey to one's face and catching an honest person off guard long enough to stab that person in the back. Good examples are Rona and Stockwell Day.
I, like others here, see Rex Murphy's 'little cozy talk' as a token to install a notion (in the audience) that the scientists made a wee mistake so we better scrap some of the work and refinance so they can start again... 'this hopydopy changy temperature is waaay too important to scrap'!!
The motive: someone might poke some holes in some other 'scientology' baseless 'truths'. Cover-up, cover up!!
Facts must be proven, in any real science study, to justify the conclusions that any credible scientist reaches. There have been no observable facts presented to prove the hypothesis in this case, IMO.
Posted by: Jema54 at December 4, 2009 9:40 PMBreach in MSM coverup of AGW/CRU fraud.
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"Breach in global-warming bunker shakes foundations of climate science
Leaked e-mails from Britain's Climatic Research Unit threaten to undermine Copenhagen summit on carbon emissions"
"a crisis of confidence in global-warming science that is threatening to destroy the political consensus around next week's carbon-policy summit in Copenhagen."
"On a political level, coming on the eve of the Copenhagen summit, the controversy has been catastrophic".
"Saudi Arabian officials now say that they will argue in Copenhagen that carbon-emission controls are pointless because the CRU scandal has nullified any evidence of human-caused atmospheric temperature increase."
"Unusually, even sympathetic scientists and some activists have concluded that the credibility of climate science has been seriously harmed."
"Prof. Hulme is one of several scientists calling for the raw data of climate-change research to be made available to everyone, including climate-change skeptics, on the Internet."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/breach-in-global-warming-bunker-shakes-foundations-of-climate-science/article1389842/
The CBC would never dump Rex at this time as he is the only one there who gives it any legitimacy at all. The CBC is only too aware that conservatives are calling for them to be taken down i.e. removal of tax funding. Rex is very secure at this point, though he may get some better offers from one of the independents.
Posted by: larben at December 4, 2009 10:43 PMAnother great Canadian has a Youtuber that is going viral
Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at December 4, 2009 11:00 PMRex Murphy is Canada's Dennis Miller.
whaddaya think?
A real live MSM commentator mentioned Climategate after its been burning up the web for two weeks? As in, one, single, solitary guy?
Wow! Like, wow we are so privileged to have such awesome news service from our CBC.
Could be why I don't watch any MSM any more, at all, ever.
Mr. Prentice, I'd like that tax cut wrapped in bacon please. Make it a BIG frickin' cut, seeing as how I am supposed to pretend the Canadian government has had no way to figure out the AGW scam was a scam, even though I've known damn well it was since the 1990's.
The only excuse the "conservative" politicians of Canada, Britain, Oz and the USA have is that they've been in the minority for most of the time this scam has been perpetrated, and facing a rabidly hostile press. Because you can't tell me the frickin' FBI or the CIA or even our sad sack alphabet soup goofs couldn't have winkled this information out of these Ivory Tower drunks if anyone had been even slightly interested in finding out the truth.
I'd like to see some earnest GOVERNMENT chap blow the lid off some data-hiding in Canada for a change. You know, earn all that pay we fork out every month.
Posted by: The Phantom at December 5, 2009 2:01 AMPeter at 9:29pm - "Our Prime Minister is in Copenhagen"
He must have a double - last I heard he was still in China.
Posted by: a different bob at December 5, 2009 8:30 AMI admit I haven't had the time to read the other comments on this thread as I usually do b4 posting. I want to say I am pleased that Rex did a segment on the CBC last night on climategate and I was hoping that Kate or one of her readers caught it. I thought it interesting though that Rex's segment came right after the @issue segment in which Mansbridge stated that they wanted suggestions for the next @issue program which climategate came immediately to my mind then low and behold Rex does a quickie on at a succinct quickie but a quickie. It's like the CBC was saying ok we need ideas for our next @issue show - we want public input but we know you will say climategate so we will just do a quickie on it and hope the public requests something else. I want to see a whole half hour or more dedicated to Climategate on @issue - to join me in voting Climategate as topic to cover indepth. here is the link: http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/blog/2009/11/whats-your-question-for-the-at-issue-panel.html
Also Rex's 3 minute Climate recap video on climategate can be seen here: http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/rexmurphy/story/2009/12/03/thenational-rexmurphy-091203.html
Posted by: I want more at December 5, 2009 3:04 PMI would suggest that Rex Murphy try listening to CBC's the Current. Anna Maria Tramonti actually does her homework on climategate. Listen at http://podcast.cbc.ca/mp3/current_20091203_23988.mp3 If you had been doing your homework on climate skeptic history you would have known that these so called scandals were very public for a decade.
This is old news repackaged with new bits of hacked emails taken out of context. Once you know the 'rest of the story', as Paul Harvey used to say, it is not news, just climate skeptics spinning every gullible media host they can to derail Copenhagen.
Even if you disregard land temperature readings, you still have to deal with bed rock records, tree rings, areal photography, and ice core readings by independent scientists around the world all saying the same thing. The increasing concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere is destabilizing the climate at a accelerating rate.
Posted by: Michael at December 5, 2009 6:15 PMNo, there is no evidence to suggest that increasing concentrations
of CO2 are destabilizing the climate at any rate, increasing or not.
May we have the next non-scientific contestant please.
You take your 'allies' where you find them, but James Hansen?! http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-james-hansen
The crux of HIS complaint is the inanity of cap 'n trade. Nevertheless, I'll take it; when even the most fervent AGW proponent says it's (carbon trading) B.S., time to go back to the drawing board.
Seems to me that anyone that liked Rex's bit should go directly to the CBC site and re-watch it from there.
My guess is that many watched it on YouTube, which would allow CBC to downplay how many "actually" saw it.
Help melt the CBC servers so they can't say, "well, 30 million 'claimed' views at YouTube isn't something we can independently verify."
Posted by: PiperPaul at December 5, 2009 11:19 PMBut Rex ... what about ... teh children???
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