Do not see the fnords!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/02/climategate-the-7-biggest_n_371223.html.

The true believers attempting to consolidate their talking points.
Cracks appearing in the comments

Meanwhile, the Big Old Media, many political leaders and all those NGOs and government-organizations-wannabes continue to tell us that we've gotta do something draconian to save the planet from ourselves and the nasty, nasty carbon dioxide...

Those folks actually do believe this shee-it, because it's their religion, according to a UN paper from a couple of years ago that recommends that gw/cc environmentalism = a religion, and I quote, "as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity".

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2009/12/un-environmental-extremist-agenda.html

The biggest thing to come out of this whole mess is that the word "unprecedented" is gone from their arsenal. Bookmark well, because there are going to be a lot of warmies to slap down with that fact.

"Unprecedenteds" all go back to Mike "Piltdown" Mann.

"that recommends that gw/cc environmentalism = a religion, and I quote, 'as the only compelling, value-based narrative available to humanity'."

They will be spreading it by the sword soon enough too, I'll wager.

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." – Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia"

A mystery which Conan Doyle could have just as easily titled "A Scandal in East Anglia", and with it, conceiving the greatest foretelling in English literary history.

And as a """"respected researcher"""" how many of the
bristlecone pines was Michael Mann allowed to kill???

And what happened to the wood?

Any one keeping track of the casualties?
Soon they will begin to eat their own.

This is going to be messy.

Edmonton Journal has a surprising cartoon today

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/pielke-sr-climategate-emails-just-a-small-sample-of-a-broad-issue-pjm-exclusive/3/

"PJM: What do you think the scientific consequences should be? Can the results of Mann, Hansen, Jones, et al be trusted, or must they be re-examined and replicated?

Pielke: All of the data analyses on NCDC, GISS, and CRU should be examined by independent assessment groups. This was clear even before the emails were released. However, the emails will hopefully motivate a call to do this.

PJM: How should climate science recover from this scandal?

Pielke: We need new climate assessments by climate scientists who do not have the blatant conflict of interest of the current leadership of the IPCC process and the professional societies."

——————-

Professor Roger A. Pielke, Sr. is a atmospheric scientist who received his Ph.D. from Pennsylvania State University in 1973, and who is now professor emeritus at Colorado State University and senior research scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder. Professor Pielke was elected a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society in 1982, was elected a Fellow of the American Geophysical Union in 2004, and served as Colorado State climatologist from 1999 to 2006. Professor Pielke is an ISI highly cited researcher, which means that he is among the researchers whose publications have been most cited by others in his field.

Back to the drawing board...fundamental non massaged data sets are needed. Inventing hypothesis out of whole cloth are now banished.

AGW as most recently propounded is DOA.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

I did see one interesting article on pajamas.. when do we get to see the "UN" e-mails..

anyone wanna bet they are going to be floated within a couple of weeks?

Pretty hard to debate when the raw data has been destroyed.
Did they keep the formulas as to how they changed the raw data?

http://www.desmogblog.com/ipcc-reviewers-peer-moral-abyss-censorship.

I think reality is starting to sink in.
The jig is up.

Back to the drawing board...fundamental non massaged data sets are needed. Inventing hypothesis out of whole cloth are now banished.
AGW as most recently propounded is DOA.
~Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht

No "back to the drawing board".
Scrap that particular drawing board altogether.

The answer is already staring us in the face.
There is no Climate Crisis or they wouldn't have had to Hide the Decline.
If Global Warming were true we wouldn't have a Climategate would we?
If they had real data demonstrating Global Warming they wouldn't have had to fake the data at CRU!

Not another penny should be spent in this direction except to build a case to prosecute the hoaxers.

Such a serious issue indeed. Thanks to SDA (Kate) for your diligence.

During this intense unfolding, I would like to offer some entertainment to ease the stress.

I give you Warren Kinsella and his Band.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njiUFtrFky8

Popular mechanics get taken to task in the comments.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4338343.html

Daily kos is still hidding under the bed.

Now the only question is, was our own Dr.David Suzuki,the Most trusted Man In Canada, a useful idiot,or has he been a knowing accomplice of these fraud artists?

Dr.David Suzuki,the Most trusted Man In Canada... according to a Readers Digest poll.

I'm not impressed.
Others of the top 20 most trusted, especially among the top 10, were also CBC personalities just like Suzuki is.

That would be the same CBC(the Decline Hiders) that have boycotted Climategate for the first 10 days.

I can only imagine That the CBC has run away screaming...or been run over by a herd of elephants.

Oz:

Agreed, AGW is DOA.

Going after the rent seekers and fraud artists, by all means.

There aren't any herds of elephants any more.
They're all locked up, as individual lone elephants, in the board rooms of the various MSM outlets and head offices.

Heather Mallick has a hateful rant puplished in the UK Guardian, she is a real peace of work, an absolute left wing alarmist nut job, a first class useful idiot for team climatgate

Hans Rupprecht,
If we do end up spending any more money studying Climate, we should spend it studying the data/studies/papers that were produced by the guys who were shut out of the peer review process and scientific journal publications by the cabal at the East Anglia CRU.

"a useful idiot,or has he been a knowing accomplice of these fraud artists?"

If he is the former, he should be publicly ridiculed and scorned relentlessly. If he is the latter, he should be ridiculed, scorned and prosecuted. I suspect that he is both.

Now that I've thought of it, it seem we ARE cooling.
I worked on highway construction, in 1990.
F&cking HOT... 30 degrees regularly in July August.

These last few years, we hit 30 MAYBE twice, in the summer. Done deal?

Dynamite VID about Climategate!!!
WOW

http://tinyurl.com/ycryv6e

Oz@6:38
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

A quick pedantic point that somewhat enhances the impact of the article. It was written Oct 2, 2009 before the e-mails were hacked.

"a useful idiot,or has he been a knowing accomplice of these fraud artists?"

Box B, please ...

Let the picking at the string ends continue apace!

"Flawed climate data

Only by playing with data can scientists come up with the infamous 'hockey stick' graph of global warming

Ross McKitrick, Financial Post

Beginning in 2003, I worked with Stephen McIntyre to replicate a famous result in paleoclimatology known as the Hockey Stick graph. Developed by a U.S. climatologist named Michael Mann, it was a statistical compilation of tree ring data supposedly proving that air temperatures had been stable for 900 years, then soared off the charts in the 20th century. Prior to the publication of the Hockey Stick, scientists had held that the medieval-era was warmer than the present, making the scale of 20th century global warming seem relatively unimportant. The dramatic revision to this view occasioned by the Hockey Stick's publication made it the poster child of the global warming movement. It was featured prominently in a 2001 report of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), as well as government websites and countless review reports.

Steve and I showed that the mathematics behind the Mann Hockey Stick were badly flawed, such that its shape was determined by suspect bristlecone tree ring data. Controversies quickly piled up: Two expert panels involving the U.S. National Academy of Sciences were asked to investigate, the U.S. Congress held a hearing, and the media followed the story around the world.

The expert reports upheld all of our criticisms of the Mann Hockey Stick, both of the mathematics and of its reliance on flawed bristlecone pine data. One of the panels, however, argued that while the Mann Hockey Stick itself was flawed, a series of other studies published since 1998 had similar shapes, thus providing support for the view that the late 20th century is unusually warm. The IPCC also made this argument in its 2007 report. But the second expert panel, led by statistician Edward Wegman, pointed out that the other studies are not independent. They are written by the same small circle of authors, only the names are in different orders, and they reuse the same few data climate proxy series over and over.

Most of the proxy data does not show anything unusual about the 20th century. But two data series have reappeared over and over that do have a hockey stick shape. One was the flawed bristlecone data that the National Academy of Sciences panel said should not be used, so the studies using it can be set aside. The second was a tree ring curve from the Yamal Peninsula in Siberia, compiled by UK scientist Keith Briffa."
(more)
http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/story.html?id=2056988&p=1

Ian @ 5:40

Pretty hard to debate when the raw data has been destroyed.
Did they keep the formulas as to how they changed the raw data?

Response from the left to that absolute fact?

"The data doesn't matter, glaciers are melting, polar bears are dying, we have to save the world"

Chicken Little must have been their role model....

Just as Kate has so aptly called this story a "genie out of the bottle" it isn't going away any time soon.
You will find part 1 of an interview (part of a series of 3) with Dr. Michael Mann at global-warming.accuweather.com
Mann claims the leak is some sort of vendetta.
WTF?

Just noticed the front page of the Dilly Expressed...........
Is that Cammi?
Are not her and Prince Jughead .... fervid warmists?

Is that IRONY.....?

Indeed they are, OMMAG, or at least Chucky is, Perhaps that's why Mumzies was urging support for Copenhagen at the recent Commonwealth conference. Chuck has her hoodwinked. Either that, or she's too embarrassed to admit he heir and successor is a complete flake.

Orvict @ 6:19: I can only imagine That the CBC has run away screaming...or been run over by a herd of elephants.

Yes, dinosaurs are slower than elephants. They haven't got a chance. Too bad. So sad.

The Queen,for me, Jumped the shark With her Statment this last week.

Steve. Heather (I am ashamed to be Canadian) crap got on the POed side of Charles Adler today. Check out his web site. If it up yet and see how he chewed her a new one and offered to help her out of Canada.

It's good to see this is getting so much attention in some of our daily newspapers, in any case. Maybe there's a bit of life left in the print on paper media after all, especially those parts that are expressed as pixels on computer models.

But what I'd really like to see from any media is a story about how and when various governments around the planet will be implementing inquiries, hearings and eventually criminal proceedings. I hope I don't have to wait too long.

*on computer monitors*

Posted by: Oz at December 2, 2009 5:45 PM
[...The answer is already staring us in the face.
There is no Climate Crisis or they wouldn't have had to Hide the Decline.
If Global Warming were true we wouldn't have a Climategate would we?]

Absolutely....if it was real they would have to fake it....they have already done the research and unwittingly provided the proof....Hang'em high!

Louise at December 2, 2009 8:52 PM [......at least Chucky is, Perhaps that's why Mumzies was urging support for Copenhagen at the recent Commonwealth conference. Chuck has her hoodwinked. Either that, or she's too embarrassed to admit her heir and successor is a complete flake.]
Exactely. HRH remarks, with Chucks stupidity, allied with the antics of the 2 airheads in high heels, the late Princess Diana and Fergie have driven me irrevocably into the REPUBLICAN camp.
Andrew and Chuck's kids however redeem things somewhat....obviously debunking the breeding myth.

I'm betting that some enterprising journalist will dig deeper into that "discarded data" story. I'm betting there's more too it than what the CRU frauds are saying. Perhaps most of it was entirely fictional so there was no data to destroy. Or maybe it's just a bald faced lie designed to keep the lid on (and their jobs in tact, although that now seems to be pretty much a forlorn hope).

sasquatch, I'm completely neutral on the monarchy versus republic issue. However, if we choose to stick with the monarchy, I would prefer it not only skip a generation, but go to the spare, Harry, not to William. He's a real man whose warts are rather attractive and entertaining. He's more like one of us.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Great video, Oz. That one is going up on my blog. Thanks.

Suggested policy for Harper and Co.

Hire some Anatovs and bring our lads home from A'stan PDQ---and deploy them about Fort McMurry....tanks and all.

Tell OBOZO and the Copenhagen freaks to pound salt and then close the valves and open the switches.

I think the hackers should get a Nobel Peace Prize. Might be the first sensible one ever handed out.

zilla @5:48 - that was awesome, thank you!

any of you people ever had a dilbert type pointy haired boss? I've had 2 of them in my time.

one trapsed into the mainframe computer room one day and announced the way he was going to resolve problems was to blame everyone and see who defended themself the best.

the other one withheld a bunch of desktops from a course I was teaching at the late toronto school of business. he declared he was waiting until enough people quit the course for lack of equipment and then hand out the new computers to the ones that stayed on. he also joked how his kid was having so much fun playing with them in the mean time.

I bring this up because it has forever mystified me how the blazes do you get THROUGH to these people? this CRU thing reminded me of all that.

how the heck do you get their attention, what does it take to stop up all the bull shite?

furthermore, I am adding global warmism to the list of religions I detest. it's a big list.

Man are the comments worth reading. To bad our public is not as informed. Than again ours thinks its a free press not a clique.
I figure the English got rid of that fancy a while ago.
Have to admire them knowing whats up!

That headline on the Daily Express, whatever the lefty ruling class believes, is a TIPPING POINT.

It's game over, although the shites will fight a loosing rearguard action for several months.

I wrote a letter to the CBC about their lack of coverage of the CRU scandal.

Here is the reply I got and my response.

-------Original Message-------

From: Esther Enkin
Date: 02/12/2009 2:32:58 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: CBC Ombudsman
Subject: re: University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit

Fred Mcxxx
freddmc@shaw.ca

Dear Mr. Mcxxx:

Thank you for your e-mail of November 25 addressed to Vince Carlin, CBC Ombudsman. Since CBC News falls in my remit, perhaps I can reply.

You wrote, in substance, to ask why CBC News had not carried a story concerning the thousands of e-mails and documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit that had recently ended up on the Internet.

I suppose the short answer is CBC News did carry the story. On CBC News.ca, it was posted on November 26 under the headline, “Hackers skewed climate-change emails: scientists”. I expect we will be carrying more stories about the stolen documents and the fallout from their publication in the days before the opening of the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen on December 7.

With the clearer vision afforded by hindsight, we should have noticed the story and picked it up sooner than we did, but its absence is certainly not evidence of partisanship.

To be fair, the story’s significance seemed only gradually to emerge. As I understand it hackers tried to post the stolen e-mails on a scientific website on November 17. By the weekend, climate change skeptics were analyzing and re-posting them, arguing that they demonstrated collusion among climate change researchers in an effort to overstate the case for global warming, a conclusion vigorously disputed by the scientists involved. The growing debate sparked wider attention the following week (I see The New York Times carried the story on November 21, the National Post on November 24, the Toronto Star on November 28 and The Globe and Mail on December 1).

As you might expect, CBC News editors are faced daily with choosing - from among the thousands available in Canada and around the world - the few dozen stories that they feel are the most significant and will be of the greatest interest to Canadians. It is a decision made all the more difficult by the limited resources and time available in our news programs and our Internet pages. Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world, but thank you for drawing this one to our attention. We will continue to follow it.

Thank you again for your e-mail.

Finally, it is my responsibility to inform you that if you are not satisfied with this response, you may wish to submit the matter for review by the CBC Ombudsman. The Office of the Ombudsman, an independent and impartial body reporting directly to the President, is responsible for evaluating program compliance with the CBC's journalistic policies. The Ombudsman may be reached by mail at the address shown below, or by fax at (416) 205-2825, or by e-mail at ombudsman@cbc.ca

Response:

Ester.

With all due respect putting it on CBCnews.ca is a cop-out. I'm talking about it being on CBC television.

If its good enough for Fox News to HIGHLIGHT it should at least get coverage in Canada.

"Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world, but thank you for drawing this one to our attention. We will continue to follow it."

This story isn't just another "story" to be covered. The Tiger Woods story, which you have given extensive coverage to, affects a handful of people. Global warming and the ramifications of implementing changes to address it affects billions of people worldwide and hundreds of trillions of dollars so this isn't just one" of the stories taking place around the country and the world".

But I do realize it probably doesn't fit into the CBC's ideology.

No wonder the MSM is taking a back seat to bloggers and the Internet.

Regards

Fred Mcxxxx