The easiest turf war victory evaaaah !

The other side pleaded 'no contest'.

Kate, you have posted some real gems, but this has to be the best one yet.

The knock out line;

"So when Peter Mansbridge went on the National tonight to admit what he had surely known for days, we didn't watch to find out what's contained in FOIA 2009.zip, for we'd read it for ourselves.

We only watched to see if he had."

They were so worried about which way to spin that they forgot what the meaning of scoop was.

What beat'em wasn't the zig or the zag, it was the lag.

Ya snooze ya loose when you failed to cover the ruse.

Peter Pansbridge. the CBC boy who never grew up and is in charge of the CBCpravda fantasy world.
the talking head crowing climate change

FIRE. THEM .ALL.

...there are 23,100,000 Google results for "climategate" - and exactly one on-air report from the CBC.

I just had to repeat that...because...well...because I really, really, really like hearing the sound of all hell breaking loose. Nice post Kate.

Well done, Kate!

When even the readers of the Guardian are laughing at climate alarmists, something is happening. After hearing about it on here, I went and read George "Moonbat" Monbiot's attack on Canada the rogue petro-state. Moonbat lived up to the nickname, but the comments were far superior to what I expected. My favorite, from "ytrewq":

I knew it! I knew they was a thuggish petro-state as soon as I heard they put cheese on chips.

When even the readers of the Guardian are laughing at climate alarmists, something is happening. After hearing about it on here, I went and read George "Moonbat" Monbiot's attack on Canada the rogue petro-state. Moonbat lived up to the nickname, but the comments were far superior to what I expected. My favorite, from "ytrewq":

I knew it! I knew they was a thuggish petro-state as soon as I heard they put cheese on chips.

I overhead two priests debating spiritual matters - that proves God doesn't exist!

And then there is good ole James Hansen's day.

From the guy who started it all back in 1988.

[A leading scientist acclaimed as the grandfather of global warming has denounced the Copenhagen summit on climate change next week as a farce.]

Translation: The flake known as the guy who hatched the global warming scam has admitted Copenhagen is a farce too.

He is sorry, just wants it all to go away.

Exit question: Who is he more afraid of; The lawyers or his disciples??

Very nicely written.

You say "what Peter Mansbridge had known for days"

My best friend is as left as I am right - he had no idea about these e-mails

So I bet Mansbridge didn't know

We look at the world through our own filters - our thalami screen out what we don't want to see

This reminds me a bit of the "fall of communism" -- spectacular events may lie just ahead, but will they actually result in the fall of communism?

Or will some cleaned up new-age communists emerge to run the same old house of mirrors in slightly altered garments?

I know atmospheric scientists a lot better than most of you. Do you really think they can all be replaced? Because while only 20% of them were ever zealots, 79% were enablers.

Those that do not believe we are entering a World WAR... read Soros and wakeup

The CBC/ MSM are a conduit for a foreign Country.. Straight up... High treason...

The EU Communists are the enemy...AGW was a fraud, the financial meltdown was phoney.

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/soros52

I heard tonight on CBC's "As It Happens" an interview with a "Professor" of climate stidies at East Anglia. To be fair our interlocutor
did ask some probing questiions. But they seem to be tame, ready for the pat answer. The "professor" on the other hand was chuck full of ambiguity and nuance. And it occured to me that they had become the deniers.

What strikes me most about the emails (and I cant say I've read them all) is blithe and blase manner of them. Yes the new deniers can go on about being real people, imbued with real passions. But it is the dispassionate missives that really scare me. Those that are perfectly happy to do whatever for the sake of the cause.

The Nazis gave us the banality of evil. Is this the banality of academic malfeasance?

*yawn* If eric lawson didn't know what was going on in the news then maybe he shouldn't be in the news business.

Disagree with the fire them all...line them up and shoot them for treason against their fellow man

... and Kate writes a bunch of hyperbole to make herself, blogs, and this story look more important than they are. What else is new?

Brilliantly written, Kate, absolutely brilliantly written!

I sense that the general public, who depend upon the mainstream media (MSM) for their news & information, feel like the citizens of East Berlin, kept contained and ignorant by this same media.

We, the "skeptical" bloggers & commenters of the world had been shouting over that wall but the powerful loudspeakers of the MSM had mostly drowned us out. When the occasional voice was heard, it was immediately scorned & ridiculed.

"Might there be a better life in West Berlin? Is democracy & freedom of speech respected over there? No, of course not", shouted the Gores and Suzukis and their sycophants, "there's nothing over there but ugly capitalist greed. Stay over here where we will tell you what to think!"

Kate it is a blend of rathergate and the swiftboat but two orders of magnitude larger.

Six months after the second watergate break-in was busted RMN won the greatest POTUS victory ever. Less tha two years later he was arguably the most hated man in America.

This scandal is as you point out only 14 days old. AGW as a cause was/is far more popular than RMN ever was. There are billions of people whi have staked their respectability on the AGW myth. It will take time (years?) for them to recover their dignity and the join the fight against these envirosocialist pied pipers. We need to be determined and relentless in our efforts to see the destruction of the AGW lobby but in doing so we have to respect the legions of peope who fell for the scam with the best of Intentions.

We have a tremendous opportunity to convert billions of people to the conservative/market cause if we play our cards right. Let's not squander it.

WOW!!!

I hope this doesn't sound sexist or condescending because its not meant that way but here we have an untrained woman who lives in nowhere Sask (I used to live in Sask so I can say that) and paints motorcycle helmets for a living and raises dogs for fun and we have the best damn seat in the house. When I read Kate's statements like that above my first reaction is to look at the byline for a name like Steyn or Goldstein or Adler or some other first rate journalist. Kate is as good as any and better than most.

I guess that is why I come to this blog 10 or 15 times a day. All posts are good with some being better than others but NEVER is there a bad one.

We are very lucky that Kate does what she does.

Thank you Kate!!!

In other words bleet and Patrick, ya got nuthin.

It occurs to me that this could be a present day version of the french revolution ...

Let them eat carbon

Is KevinB around, I mean sometime, probably not at this ungodly hour? I ask because I'd like to know what our resident Marshall McLuhan guy might have to say about the Mainstream Media and the Message?

Surely McLuhan is the go-to Canadian on this. If not him, who? If not now...

Ick, I put a question-mark at the end of a sentence, and I'm such a snob about that. Time for bed.

Well done, Kate and SDA.

...declarative sentence...

Your signature post, Kate, after all these years or exemplary blogging. Please leave it at the top for a day or two.

I think this post deserves a place on your sidebar Kate.

Well said, and thanks for putting into words what so many of us, that the MSM tries to brand "skeptics and deniers", wish we could say.

Only one additional request, Kate:

Please don't stop!

Kate, you just nailed our collective theses to the door of the "Wittenburg church". Long live freedom!

Hee's CBC's response to my complaint regarding this subject. Have at it.

Thank you for your e-mail of November 28 addressed to Vince Carlin, CBC Ombudsman. Since CBC News falls in my remit, perhaps I can reply.

You wrote, in substance, to ask why CBC News had not carried a story concerning the thousands of e-mails and documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit that had recently ended up on the Internet.

I suppose the short answer is CBC News did carry the story. On CBC News.ca, it was posted on November 26 under the headline, “Hackers skewed climate-change emails: scientists”. I expect we will be carrying more stories about the stolen documents and the fallout from their publication in the days before the opening of the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen on December 7.

With the clearer vision afforded by hindsight, we should have noticed the story and picked it up sooner than we did, but its absence is certainly not evidence of partisanship or CBC “suppression” of the story.

To be fair, the story’s significance seemed only gradually to emerge. As I understand it hackers tried to post the stolen e-mails on a scientific website on November 17. By the weekend, climate change skeptics were analyzing and re-posting them, arguing that they demonstrated collusion among climate change researchers in an effort to overstate the case for global warming, a conclusion vigorously disputed by the scientists involved. The growing debate sparked wider attention the following week (I see The New York Times carried the story on November 21, the National Post on November 24, the Toronto Star on November 28 and The Globe and Mail on December 1).

As you might expect, CBC News editors are faced daily with choosing - from among the thousands available in Canada and around the world - the few dozen stories that they feel are the most significant and will be of the greatest interest to Canadians. It is a decision made all the more difficult by the limited resources and time available in our news programs and our Internet pages. Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world, but thank you for drawing this one to our attention. We will continue to follow it.

Thank you again for your e-mail.

Finally, it is my responsibility to inform you that if you are not satisfied with this response, you may wish to submit the matter for review by the CBC Ombudsman. The Office of the Ombudsman, an independent and impartial body reporting directly to the President, is responsible for evaluating program compliance with the CBC's journalistic policies. The Ombudsman may be reached by mail at the address shown below, or by fax at (416) 205-2825, or by e-mail at ombudsman@cbc.ca

Sincerely,

Esther Enkin
Executive Editor
CBC News
Box 500, Station “A”,
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1E6

And as I read this I just had to go to CBC and watch the Mansbridge clip on climategate for myself, "to see if he had."

Kate, bravo, outstanding! For your series on climategate and for this post. Thank you.

Oh yeah, these newsguys knew about this, they were sitting on the story that was being published in a gazillion blogs as well as the international press. Reminds me of Adscam and how the same news people would titter about what they knew and couldn't tell about the revelations of the Gomery inquiry. Thanks once again, Ed Morissey (Captain's Quarters Blog). Gatekeepers indeed -- no more.

Clark's Law: "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." Highly applicable.

Well done Kate. I stopped getting information from the MSM years ago; I used to listen to TV news about 5 years ago (watched it only occasionally like 11/9/2001) but was getting so fed up with the content that my TV never gets turned to a Canadian news show. Besides, the data transfer rate of a TV news program is so slow that I'd much rather spend the time reading a detailed blog posting and be far more informed after 30 minutes on this.

The whole point of TV news was to be able to get out a story within hours of it happening at most. Those 14 days that the MSM pretended that nothing was going on are probably going to gnaw at unemployed reporters for years as they stand shivering in the soup kitchen line. When we look back at this time a few years from now it may be seen as the month the MSM died and there's not much they can do to hide their decline.

'...The Office of the Ombudsman, an independent and impartial body reporting directly to the President..."? President...of the CBC? who the f#ck is the president? who is the president? If the ombudsman is the middleman then I say lose him now, he's a lackey. I'll go straight to the "President" from here on in.

Revenge tastes best served cold? It tastes good at any temperature, particularly when it involves correcting insanity.
And then we have the tiresome claim by bleet and others that this was about scientists debating to find the truth. Read the material, idiot boy; this was about scientists finding data which didn't fit their paradigm and then discussing how to make it fit a predetermined conclusion. They were debating the best way to fool the public.
This attitude fits perfectly with the first environmental science course I took twenty years ago when I first heard about global warming. I had no objection to the theory at that time, but I remember being disturbed by the willingness of the professor to pitch a message at the expense of facts. Sure, there were a few contrary facts, but those were dismissed because it was the "right thing" to do. Smiling, sincere, and lying.

Posted by: Gord Tulk

"Let them eat carbon"

That is a gem Gord.

A as is this post by Kate; A superb stab at the media bourgeoisie. Its time for these media nerds to remove their politically-correct, lily-white hands from their keyboards and onto a shovel so they can remove the shite from their hovels and obtain a dose of reality.

"I overhead two priests debating spiritual matters - that proves God doesn't exist!" -- bleet

A priceless, laugh out loud funny post like that from a troll is just the cherry on top of a great story Kate.

I like the "imprinted penguins" line, just sayin'.

Read the part of red star yesterday. They managed to write a whole article on the Moonbiot non-event and include an insert on the Austrialian government being unable to pass their carbon bill, without mentioning any of the sordid affair. NOT ONE WORD.

bleet - you had less chance of hearing to priests talking than you did of reading (let alone understanding) any of the emails. And the CODE. Son, you are way above your head. Seek help.

Erik Larsen: "So I bet Mansbridge didn't know."

I'll bet he did, Erik. There have been countless letters to the CBC Ombudsman (mine included) over the past few weeks asking why the CBC has been mum on one of the biggest stories of the century -- no doubt.

I would imagine that "they" talk at the CBC. I'm pretty sure that I'm-Peter-Mansbridge-and-you're-not knew all about it, but in his priggish, stuck-up, arrogant, snooty, CBC way, made a conscious decision to say to the rest of us "up yours."

Ah, the satisfaction of telling him, the same to you, you incompetent nincompoop.

"The real scheme of liberalism is annihilation and substitution, which liberals refer to as evolution."

"I see a close alliance between Takuan Seiyo’s Meccania, in its juggernaut advance, and Deconstruction’s assault on meaning, which I invoked earlier in the essay. Drawing on Barfield’s insight, I see a close fitment – a pattern of ideological mutual reinforcement – involving recrudescent Darwinism, which has definitely attached itself to the body of establish liberal doctrine; the obsession of empowered liberalism to treat society as an object that its acolytes might manipulate according to their will; the assault on meaning in literary studies, legal scholarship, and history; and finally the cult of sex and violence proffered by popular culture, as visual entertainment. The descent of the last into degraded stultification is appropriately abetted by the insipid flatness of its main technique, computer-generated imagery: all surface without depth. Societies “evolve,” as liberals like to say, implying that resistance to the “change” that they relentlessly push is mere reactionary futility. But a thing that evolves must be essentially the same at the end of the process as at the beginning. The real scheme of liberalism is annihilation and substitution, which liberals refer to as evolution.

Barfield anticipated these developments fifty years ago. It turns out in hindsight, for example, that the case of Lady Chatterley in the British courts was replete with meaning and that blithe acceptance of spiritless Eros would indeed exert a baneful influence on culture. Modern society is as full of idols as it is of celebrities. The celebrities are as hollow and idiotic as idols. Barfield, a champion of meaning and of the plenitude of the word – that most human of our human qualities – deserves a new generation of readers. He has much to teach us."
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"The Other Idol-Breaker: Owen Barfield and the Plenitude of the Word

"In The Twilight of the Idols (1888), Friedrich Nietzsche proposed to teach “how to philosophize with a hammer.” Hammers find their predestined use, according to Nietzsche, in the smashing of idols, by which he meant the assortment of falsehoods and platitudes that constituted, in his view, the shabby existing dominant representation of life and the world. Nietzsche never practiced anything like systematic philosophy – he wrote as he thought, aphoristically and in paragraphs. One must take him unsystematically, too, or rather selectively – because, having atomized all the images, as he supposed himself to have done, and having found nothing behind them, as he convinced himself, the devilish idea that everything is nothing strongly tempted him. He wrote of it under the image of “the abyss.” If the Nietzschean philosophical impulse transmigrated for the good in souls like Oswald Spengler and H. L. Mencken, who were skeptics and iconoclasts, it would regrettably also have done so in souls, if that were the word, like Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, and Jacques Derrida, to whom harsher labels must apply. Spengler and Mencken warned against nihilism; the polysyllabic abolishers of logic and morality taught the faddishly inclined to crave for l’abîme and Das Ungrund. The legion of cipher-minions has been craving thusly, and arrogantly on behalf of everyone else, ever since." (more)

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4192

I have come to the conclusion that 'patrick' is, in reality, Patrick Star.

I have come to the conclusion that 'patrick' is, in reality, Patrick Star.

Kate, day by day you're starting to sound more and more like a young-earth creationist. Please, do yourself a favor and actually try to research the subject matter for a change. You'll find that most of what you're repeating is either based on misinterpretations, misquotations, or outright lies. Arguing against AGW is one thing - displaying your ignorance for millions to see is something else entirely.

Hey Kate, love your stuff. Here's one for you:

HotAir – Boxer: You know what the real issue is in Climategate? E-mail theft

I've done a little tribute to this site and to Canada at http://samandimp.wordpress.com. Hope it's all correct! Got into the Heather issue. All the best, SH

"Going Rogue" with Sarah Palin.

Where's little Peter? Little Peter Mansbridge, that is.

Little Peter is in front of his warm/cuddly comfy fur CBC teleprompter lip-synching the "CBC News".
...-

"Sarah Palin fans brave cold to have books signed

NORMAN — A cold wind and temperatures in the low 40s didn’t deter die-hard Sarah Palin fans Wednesday.

Lugging blankets, sleeping bags and folding chairs, supporters began camping out in front of Hastings Books in Norman by mid-afternoon, settling in for a night that threatened temperatures in the 20s and only a slight relief from winds. It’s all to make sure they get the former vice presidential candidate’s autograph today on their copies of "Going Rogue.”

The signings will begin at 7 p.m.

"Not only are we Oklahomans and Americans, but today we are Alaskans,” said Michael Barton of Edmond."

http://www.newsok.com/sarah-palin-fans-brave-cold-to-have-books-signed/article/3422087?custom_click=masthead_topten

BRAVA, Kate!

I've just sent the following to Vince Carlin, the "non-partisan" CBC Ombudsman:

Let me add my voice to the chorus of Canadians who are absolutely disgusted with your organization’s utter failure to carry out its mandate. That it took CBC a couple of weeks to report, in prime time, the CRU scandal is reprehensible—and why CBC News’s audience share is in the sub basement, just where it deserves to be.

From long experience—well over two decades of the CBC’s propaganda and spin, as well as its ridiculous, mewling justifications for its deceit and bias, that wouldn’t fool a 10 year old (how stupid do you think we are?)—I’ve discerned that the CBC is an insult to my intelligence and sense of justice and fair play. (I know, via the internet, that Peter Pansbridge finally allowed a smidgen of reality to burst the CBC’s utopian, self-referential, insulated, partisan bubble.)

I’ve also read Esther Enkins’ ridiculous response to another Canadian who wrote to you about the CRU issue. Her inane babblings are the usual CBC “Blah, Blah, Blah”: really, that the CBC thinks it can serve up complete balderdash, with a straight face, to the paying customers is a supreme insult. (I also note that the CBC responders to audience complaints is constantly changing. I’m not surprised: the constant disconnect from reality and having to spin the truth—I think that’s called lying—over and over must be disconcerting, to say the least.)

I’ll be writing the Conservative government again to protest having to provide funds to an altogether biased and tone deaf organization that has no intention of providing the news straight up—and every intention of treating the citizens of Canada with utter contempt, a trick the CBC has been playing decade after decade.

Shame on all of you.

So much for the MSM editor's belief system that has the MSM being the font of all public knowledge.

Two priests arguing over God doesn't cost me a cent of money or my freedom.

Governments carrying on with a green agenda based on lies does, and I'm all for justthinkin's line of thought at 3:19.

I'll be calling my local riding again and reminding them if Prentice is sticking with his line of thought my faith in Harper will evaporate totally.

If they can go along with this kind of manipulation by all the big players well what good are they for conservative principals?

I may be wrong but when something is as devious as AGW, a righteous "GO TO HELL" goes so many beautiful straight forward ways and cuts to the chase. That's what scandals of this magnitude need
not lip-service.

Thanks for all the great work you do Kate.

What annoys me most about CBC and CTV News is theirfocus on pop-culture news.

Tiger Woods getting beat up and a divorce is pop-culture news.

The continued coverage of a couple party crashing the White House is pop-culture news.

Save those stories for 'e-talk daily'

Now, if the party crashers had been at Rideau Hall, that would be relevant news for Canadians!

It would appear that we (in the West) owe a debt of gratitude to those faceless Russians who hacked the site and exposed the fraud. Let's not forget those guys. Can we put them up for an Order of Canada?

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I have no doubt that Peter Mansbridge knew about the CRU leak the morning thereafter, for the media have their handlers and web readers, too.

I conducted a little experiment in my home and amongst my friends, though. Up until yesterday I purposely remained silent about this fiasco, wanting to see how long it would be before my wife piped up about the controversy. She spends quite a bit of time daily reading news and opinion on the web and I figured it would be a matter of a couple days at most before she'd happen on something. By yesterday, hearing nothing about it from my wife, I broke down and asked if she had heard of the CRU leak or climategate. She confessed she hadn't read or heard a single thing. Some of my friends sent me emails about it, all of them pointing to blogs, unsurprisingly.

I say this to to remind us there is a real possibility that the general public in Canada -- those who primarily get their news through evening and nightly broadcasts, like CTV or CBC, or via their websites -- are still completely in the dark about what has happened and the ramifications on policy decisions both past and present.

That, my friends, is why I damn the media in this regard, as in others. They have failed to duly inform the public of a major scandal that threatens to produce policy that will impact their pocketbooks and their lives for the foreseeable future.

There is work still to be done.

In the meantime, Kate, you've done an excellent job of staying on top of the action, pulling together the relevant links and appending commentary to them. This blog is becoming a conservative aggregator. Thank you. We are indebted.

I received the same CBC form letter.

I responded by warning her to make sure she could prove no emails have been erased from her account because i will be demanding a Public Inquiry into Corruption in the CBC.

Demand the CBC face a Public Inquiry. Hiding important news from Canadians because it doesn't suit their personal political beliefs.

Start filing FOI requests for the Ombudsman's emails with Peter Pansbridge

Nice Post!!

The Fix: The MSM "fixed their story" story.

"the story was severely edited."

The MSM fixes their story on behalf of the AGW fraudsters.

The Smoking MSM's Fix.

"The UN's World Meteorological Organisation - a parent of the IPCC - was also in touch. It shared its statement with us about the BBC's report. And here it is:

>>> "Just wanted to point out a few other outlets that fixed their story, including Fox, after we approached them," their PR mailed us."
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"The BBC, the UN, and climate bullying"

"The Beeb's Roger Harrabin had noted remarks made by the chief of the UN weather quango, concluding that "...this would mean global temperatures have not risen since 1998, prompting some to question climate change theory".

Big mistake, Roger.

Harrabin initially stood by his words, but shortly after an eco-warrior made a threat to humiliate him before the Court of The Hive Mind ("I am about to send your comments to others for their contribution, unless you request I do not. They are likely to want to post your comments on forums/fora, so please indicate if you do not want this to happen. You may appear in an unfavourable light") the story was severely edited.

We've a couple of updates for you.

Firstly, Ms Abbess (who declined to respond to our request for comment) wasn't alone in demanding - and getting - changes to the story. The UN's World Meteorological Organisation - a parent of the IPCC - was also in touch. It shared its statement with us about the BBC's report. And here it is:

"Just wanted to point out a few other outlets that fixed their story, including Fox, after we approached them," their PR mailed us.

[Fox - Mail] "So you know, BBC and Roger Harrabin's TV piece that accompanied the text story was accurate and informed, and at the same time we found Mr Harrabin very willing to resolve any factual issues in his story. I would urge anyone to read his story as it appears now."

This is a little unusual. In the shadowy world of "media influencers", PRs rarely crow about journalists being compliant. Even when PRs score a total victory and force a complete about-face, it's still not considered good manners to gloat - unless the intention is to humiliate the hack or hackette.

Roger Harrabin has also posted a statement on the BBC News Online's Editors Blog, which you can read here.

The comments make for interesting reading. One points out that the changes demanded (and made) by the WMO simply obfuscate the issue. The WMO throws in lots of detail about predictions of hotness, which sort of, kind of, obscure the (empirical) fact that things aren't getting hotter at all."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/15/bbc_global_notwarming_mailbag/

So now tell me that Harper isn't going to go to Copenhagen and sign any global warming scam, surely not before he investigates the hacked CRU emails and date deletions. Tell me he won't sign, not before he investigates the carbon trading scams surfacing on the net. Which will not surface on the CBC. Ever. They will be too busy dealing with the cognitive dissonance between being journalists and eco-propagandists saving the planet.

Well well Atric (see comment Dec 3 5:15 AM)-- I received the same letter, word for word, after my remarks to the Ombudsman.

I love the smell of AGW burning in the morning!

And to know that a scheme hatched a generation ago, carefully tended and cultivated by some powerful shady characters, lies now in a smoldering heap.

I then wrote Ms Enkin this:
(PS no hyperlinks come through but then the readers of SDA don't need them except here or there where I have put them back in)

Dear Ms Enkin

Thank you for your reply which is much fuller than I expected.

You say (and I just read it -- I confess that I don't pay any attention to the CBC) your first story appeared on 26 November. The story, I fear, is straight journo school pap: this happened, he said, she said.

And it’s late both in time and in content.

As you say, “we should have noticed the story and picked it up sooner than we did”. Indeed. I first noticed the story on the blog http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/ on the 20th, one week earlier. And she was not the first to cover the story.

But your first report was also late in content: it was not just the just e-mails that were the revelation on the 26th.. Analysts around the globe had got into the file Harry_Read_me which showed a severely corrupted program, bad data and that bad data then fiddled to fit the assumed conclusion. For example, please see this.

Furthermore, your story refers to the “trick” and “hide the decline” but gives only Jones’ explanation. But the “trick” to “hide the decline” had already been exposed 6 days earlier.

So, altogether I have three observations: you were a week late on the story and were beaten flat by the blogosphere. You were not, of course, alone on this and neither has this been the first time that the MSM has come last to the story (NYT and ACORN, for a recent example).

Secondly, when you finally did report the story, the content was late: for example Small Dead Animals referred to the Harry file on the 23rd but your story was still just about the e-mails. Which are bad enough, but the Harry file is devastating to the AGW cause. These two kinds of lateness are one of the important reasons for the decline of the MSM; in many cases the readers know more than the writers (a fine example here).
[http://www.economist.com/node/14960149/comments]
Third, your writer appears to have done no research of his own other than phoning a few people (but only believers in AGW as it turns out) to get quotes. By the 26th, there was a huge amount of information out there – including the files themselves – that the reporter could have looked at. But lack of actual research is, again, another reason why the MSM is dying.

As to “Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world.” True enough, but surely something that calls into question what has been a very big theme of your (and others’) output for many years, something that will potentially cost billions, is of no slight significance. Perhaps even more than this story. [http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2009/11/21/jackson-glove-auction.html}

Nonetheless, I look forward to following (via the blogosphere) your coverage. With, one hopes, less of the “the science is solid” mantra. The CRU material butresses a strong prima facie case for 1) subversion of the peer review process 2) hiding raw data 3) bad computer programs 4) dodgy data 5) cooking. This particular science is not solid at all. As George Monbiot (a noted proponent of AGW) said, three days before your first story: “It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow”. It’s a very big story and it should be front page stuff for a long time.

Indeed, given that they figure prominently in the e-mails, and are Canadians, why don’t you give Steve McIntyre or Ross McKitrick some space? After all, at the moment, they are looking pretty prescient.

And don’t you think that “award winning journalists” [http://www.zoominfo.com/people] might have wondered why the files were given the name they were?

"We couldn't report fully on it because we carried these idiot's water for too long. It would have made us look like the fools we are.

Sincerely,

Esther Enkin
Executive Editor
CBC News
Box 500, Station “A”,
Toronto, Ontario
M5W 1E6
Posted by: atric at December 3, 2009 5:15 AM"

FIFY

There's very little being said about the whistleblower. East Anglia doesn't seem worried that their system has been compromised. I would expect them to be freaking out if it was a hacker.

Do you have a feeling that the MSM is mandated to be ignorant? Even if they do lead insultated leftwing-nut lives, they have to have some sensible people in their inner circles/family that are screaming bloody murder at them!

Or maybe the they are just waiting for "Net Neutrality" to be enacted in so they won't have to deal with pesky right wing bloggers, radio hosts etc. who speak the truth.

Good work Kate. Keep yelling from every roof top you can find!

And those of us who have this knowledge will have to continue to do our best to educate others in the media, government and general public. Someone has to, the big news corporations aren't doing their job!

"...the story’s significance seemed only gradually to emerge"

Bwaaaahhhaahahaha!

In other news we found a rifle in the book depository but we haven't ascertained it's significance.

bleet took the "no proof there is a God either" argument from Eleanor Clift. Blind faith indeed.

See the clip at newsbusters,by Jeff Poor,Nov 29.
re: the Mclaughlin Report

Later in the show, Buchanan reiterated his point that global warming wasn't going on and said there was no proof that any of the warming that has occurred in recent history was caused by man.

"It was warming, John," Buchanan said. "It's not been warming since '98. Secondly, there's no known proof it's because of man and there's no known proof it's a great danger."

However, Clift felt inclined to responded, rather emphatically. She said she believes U.S. policy should be proactive toward the issue. Her view is arguably indicative of the mainstream media's sentiment on the debate, and she equated it to blind faith when she told Buchanan there's no proof there's a God either, which didn't mean global warming wasn't a danger.

I fully agree Kate.

The MSM have really painted themselves into a corner , and no amount of lies and obfuscation will get them out of it.

Because the MSM is primarily populated with socialist left journalists , most of whom have never contributed anything other than pessimism and social bent , they blindly followed the Global Warming hoax.

Now the Global Warming has been exposed as a complete fraud they , the MSM , who have never apparently had to think logically for themselves , are at a loss as to what to do !

It will be wonderful to watch these idiot twist and squirm and I hope more than a few of the MSM will go broke as a result ... it would be a nice contribution to the environment for the likes of the Star to be reduced to printing a one page edition !

There's only one solution to all this - ban the internet.

Awesome post, Kate.

It is interesting that most MSM outlets refer repeatedly to "the stolen e-mails" in this case, when they never use such phrasing in describing the flow of illegal leaks that compromised the US counter-terrorism programs or any other thefts that find their way to their offices.

You only have to imagine how differently the MSM would have reacted if confidential emails from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency had been exposed that displayed the kinds of shenanigans that the folks at CRU were engaging in. When Gerry Ritz made one offhand comment about Wayne Easter during the listeria outbreak, that comment got leaked to the MSM in milliseconds and dominated the airwaves for days. The Climategate story is all about double standards.

Canadian MSM has been pimping Suzuki / Gore propaganda for years now.

They are complicit in the warmist hysteria / fraud.
Taking two weeks to carry a hint of the story of scientists' fraudulent numbers.
They are an abomination to the noble "Fourth Estate" of yore.
CBC is a disgusting taxpayer-leech, agenda driven black hole of leftists.
The only difference between CTV Globemedia and CBC is that CTV is purported to be privately funded.
The agenda is the same all leftist all the time.

Without a doubt Kate McMillan's SDA blog IS the leader in outing the corrupt "Mann-made Global warming" as well as outing Canadian MSM.
SO who will carry the rotten Copenhagen one world carbon scam to Canadians?
It will not be Canadian MSM, you can bet the farm on that one.
Give Lorne Gunter and Lorrie Goldstein a tip of the hat for their efforts, sadly their efforts should have been on the front pages of their respective employers papers more particularly as editorials!

The lefties and warmists are out in full force in the National Post this morning. A few articles could use a little more balance.

Unfortunately, while Prentice did use the words "serious allegations"........he also insisted AGW is real and we must act:

“It does not change the position of Canada ... The science overall is relatively clear on all of this and as a conservationist and as a responsible environmental steward Canada wants to see carbon emissions reduced.”

SO who will carry the rotten Copenhagen one world carbon scam to Canadians?

It sounds like Senator Inhofe and his "truth squad" will be carrying the message to Copenhagen.

I wonder what makes Prentice to qualify for issuing verdicts regarding climate science. Sounds all too familiar: science is settled, science is solid, science is clear. Puke on them. If this is a conservative, what should we expect from the liberals? Gas chambers for anyone exhaling CO2?

The use of word 'carbon' as in 'carbon emissions' is also very subtle. It leaves impression of black smokes coming out of diesel engine exhausts, like in 'soot'.

Who would oppose that? CO2 is the same gas used in pop, that won't fly.

AGW industry obviously hired the best psychologists for their advertising campaign.

I love this idea for a green party poster: 'every time you open a can of pop, polar bear cub drowns!' ROFLMAO

Sen. Inhofe has his work cut out for him. Says Ms. Barbara Boxer (D-Mars), from the Hill:

"You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

"We may well have a hearing on this, we may not. We may have a briefing for senators, we may not," Boxer said. "Part of our looking at this will be looking at a criminal activity which could have well been coordinated.

"This is a crime," Boxer said.

Now, Ms. Boxer is not talking about the massive, irresponsible, and coordinated fraud discovered at East Anglia. She's talking about the actions of the person who made this knowledge public.

As I said in other places, I will scrape together what I can for a defense fund for the individual who blew the whistle on the fraud of the environmental movement.

Green on the outside, red on the inside, folks. The Dems are PO'd that one of their avenues to turning the American citizen into a subject of King Barack is slipping away. Watch for more anger - not at the fraud, but at the person who exposed it. They are now Public Enemy #1 according to the enviro-nutjobs.

Patrick and Fred.
I'm not in the least surprised. I feel a certain amount schadenfreude, however small, from knowing we are causing them to actually come up with an excuse, no matter how lame it is.

Brava, "young-earth creationist"! (Remarkable achievement for an agnostic)
At first, it was a trifle worrying. How could any real scientist be that dishonest and indifferent to real science, and be so incautious as well? It just looked too easy. I suppose the key word is real.
Now, I can't begin to stay abreast of all the developments. You must have more than 24 hours in a day. How does it feel to be in the van of a truly earth-shaking story?

As for Prentice: "It does not change the position of Canada ... The science overall is relatively clear on all of this and as a conservationist and as a responsible environmental steward Canada wants to see carbon emissions reduced." Those words just don't cut it. Maybe his name should really be 'Prentice.

So for two weeks these fools covered up ClimatGate while they tried to manufacture an Afghanistan scandal by smearing the reputation of our troops.

CBC covered every moment of the fake scandal, even breaking into live TV with breathless reports of more third hand reports of maybe something that someone thought they heard. Anything to smear PMSH, the government and the troops.

CBC covered nothing of ClimateGate, a real scandal, with real evidence and real significance.

After all, if the scientific foundation of global warming is fraud, then there is no need to reorganize teh global economy and needlessly spend $Trillions of dollars.

I just sent an email to the PMO demanding a full Public Inquiry into corruption and fraud at CBC News.

CBC News . . . telling Canadians only news they want to get, not the news of what is really going on.

PUBLIC INQUIRY . . . NOW!

Ramon, I have mentioned this before regarding Prentice. The conservative government has little choice but to support the "official" consensus. Were they to speak out against it, the entire Canadian MSM would be all over them about it. They would be slandered as "knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing, creationist believing science deniers". The opposition would immediately trigger an election over it. And as we have already seen south of the border, even though the MSM is dying a slow death, they can still influence the voters enough to win an election with an unqualified candidate. Do you really want Iggy and Rae running things?

I certainly hope that our environment minister does not become the devil's apPRENTICE.
Kate, your analysis is exceptional.

The enormous data base that Kate has compiled and provided over several years, not just the recent data about the emails and codes, is clear empirical evidence that the AGW/climate change thesis is a scam. Its conclusions of AGW are unsubstantiated by empirical evidence.

But AGW, as a scam, is a shield, a cover for the real agenda, which is a socialist transfer of wealth from the industrial wealth to so-called 'developing countries'. I say 'so-called' because these countries include China and India, which have massive populations heavily involved in industrial development. The agenda is also to reduce the West as an industrial power. Envy.

This isn't a transfer of billions to Zimbabwe and its 'back-to-the-pre-industrial-agenda'; this is big time industrial development in China and India. Paid by the West - not as loans but as Sin Money. For having industrialized FIRST, before these countries did. Think about it.

Such a mindset is saying that industrialism is inevitable, genetic, and that those who got there first should feel guilty about it. This ignores that industrial devt is not innate but due to the West's hard work of enabling freedom of thought, innovation, technological development, science and reason. That kind of stuff. And we ought to feel proud of it. Not guilty - as AGW is asserting.

BUT - since AGW is not about the environment or climate but is about MONEY - then, what will this socialist agenda do to achieve its goal, of getting money from the West? How will they deal with it, since their AGW cover is starting to unravel?

Oh - and for those who are chastizing Harper etc re going to Copenhagen, I think we ought to remember that We Who Are Smart And Know The Truth aren't the only ones in Canada - and there are still a majority who believe, fervently, in the Sin of AGW. A politician has to work with both sides. I think Harper has made clear his view that AGW is an economic scam - and we can trust him to deal with it...just as Ausralia has also stood up and rejected cap and trade.

> Were they to speak out against it, the entire Canadian MSM would be all over them about it.

That's what they've been elected for - speaking out and acting against fraud, abolishing the registry and keeping a lid on spending.

Now you are saying they should let all that continue for the sake of good publicity. Holy shit, with friends like that who needs enemies?

Prentice is a Joe Clark clone. expect nothing more.

ET: +1

Like the good fellow Dak'kon used to say: 'This is Abyss, but it reeks of Mechanus'

James Hansen was interviewed today by a South African newspaper, the Mail & Guardian. Here's what he had to say about climategate:

"Hansen admitted the controversy could shake the public's trust, and called for an investigation. "All that stuff they are arguing about the data doesn't really change the analysis at all, but it does leave a very bad impression," he said."

To suggest that climategate leave a "bad impression" may be the understatement of the year, but at least Hansen displays a sense of honesty that the other players in the climategate scandal lack.

The article also points out that Hansen would prefer to see the Copenhagen talks fail rather than result in a cap-and-trade system, which he vehemently opposes, but of course not for any of the reasons that climate change skeptics would.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-12-03-top-scientist-warns-over-copenhagen-talks

Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at December 3, 2009 2:33 AM

Sorry, Ron. Jim Hansen is not a convert to reality. He's against Hopecavin because they are not going to come up with anything sufficiently drastic.

He wants us all to die.

Trust me, he is NOT our friend

Well, it's taken some time, but we're starting to see the masses jumping off the 'Copenwagon'.

Great post Kate! Right on the money. One of your very best. That's one to frame and put on the wall.

Peter Fairybridge, CBC and MSM all got caught asleep again. While here at SDA, Kate never sleeps!

Kate, your posts have been simply amazing, articulate, witty and the list goes on. We all Thank you big time for realizing the enormity of this story.

Aaron, please pay attention. They are a MINORITY government. If the opposition parties think they can hammer the conservatives in an election, they will pull the plug INSTANTLY. And with the MSM clearly hoping and praying and actively trying to find ANYTHING with which the opposition can run with, it would not be in their best interests to speak up now. The AGW case is quickly unraveling, so there's no reason for Harper to risk an election that could potentially put the Libs back in power. Tell me how pissed off you'd be if Harper said "AGW is a scam", the opposition called an election, and with the help of the MSM the Liberals won?

Google "Climategate" 27.5 million hits
Google "Climate change" 23.8 million hits

Is this another tipping point?

Great Post Kate, ... you are like Joan of Arc with a keyboard a big brain and a great sense of humor. Who could ask for more!

Thanks

I think Harper has made clear his view that AGW is an economic scam - and we can trust him to deal with it...just as Ausralia has also stood up and rejected cap and trade. ~ ET

Agreed; it's an economic scam and PMSH will deal with it economically - ie no taxpayer dollars will be thrown at it.

Also, prior to Dec 7, there's just no utility in telegraphing any strategy, and certainly no utility in playing into the hands of heavily biased media.

Jon Stewart quipped about climategate the other night. When they start making fun of it before the media does anything, you know the media have dropped the ball. Which is good because it means they have lost the opportunity to control the message. :)

Tremendous piece, Kate. And thank you for all you've done during this fiasco. You should be next in line for receiving the Order of Canada.

Great essay, Kate!

Their spiritual predecessors, who always attempted with good success to suppress any mention in the western press regarding Stalin's orchestrated famine to slaughter millions of kulaks, must be sitting around in hell these days shaking their heads in despair. Modern party members and useful idiots in the media and elsewhere who can't even suppress the truth about a nebulous capitalism destroying scam long enough to get it firmly in place and rewarding the faithful. Something must be done about the internet that thwarts their efforts for a new utopia.

pete,

Is any minority government supposed to sing to the tune of opposition?

Aren't grits and dippers broke and afraid of election?

I've heard this concept too many times and it's nothing but a lousy excuse for being a red bellied tories.

The hacker who exposed this climategate fraud should be Times magazine's Man/woamn/group Of The Year and he/she/they should receive the Nobel Prize.

I have a lot of respect for whoever that person or group is.

This person/group is/are real heroes.

I am not kidding.

If their identity is ever revealed I think their lives could be in danger, when billions and trillions of dollars are at play, assassinations are not a far fetched possiblity...

For some strange reason I think we are being played like pawns in a chess master's hands to bring about one world governance. The creation of a false crisis (AGW). The compliance of the MSM, the destruction of the financial markets (sub prime loans), the election of an empty suit controlled by socialist/communists, the masterful manipulation of modernity's god's academia and computers, the marginalization of traditional religions and the embrace of the most violent form of an old religion seems so coincidental and by themselves innocuous. Yet even Lord Monkton points to the same. It is enough to make one go hum. And this from me a guy who is extremely anti conspiracy theory anti end times one world government preacher.

From Drudge today, the response of the tolerant, loving guardians of the Little Guy:

"[Barbara]Boxer" "You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."

What's most important now is REVENGE, according to Senator Babs.

Awesome.

All kinds of truth being revealed all over the place eh? The dominoes are in motion.

Canada should offer asylum and a free house to whoever released those emails. Courage and commitment to the Truth (capital T) should be rewarded.

It is impossible that a "hacker" could have assembled this package without a very in depth understanding of the issues involved and an immense amount of time. It has to be a leak. No other explanation makes any sense, unless a hacker found the FOIA file through a stroke of incredible luck.

Aaron, a minority government that wants to continue governing needs to work with the opposition. If they can't agree on an issue, they either set it aside, or go to an election. Only grits are broke and afraid of an election, unless they have an issue they know they can run with. And right now, despite climategate, this would be that issue. The campaign trail is no place to be discussing the validity of the science behind AGW. The conservatives would be branded as "anti-science". Remember Stockwell Day and his creationist beliefs?

"It has to be a leak. No other explanation makes any sense, unless a hacker found the FOIA file through a stroke of incredible luck."

I think the whistle-blower came across the file or files of material that the CRU believed needed to be deleted or left out of FOIA responses.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/12/boxer_not_climategate_email_th.html
It is now time to pay close attention to what the politico's, Al Gores, MSM, etc, say. Watch the investigations carefully.
Gather the torches, sharpen the pitchforks, heat up the tar and pluck the chickens.
Fool me once, shame on you...

"Agreed; it's an economic scam and PMSH will deal with it economically - ie no taxpayer dollars will be thrown at it."

If we are not taking a principled stand on this issue on anything else than a monetary angle we are just delaying the inevitable.

I don't know about everyone else but I find regulations much more a pain in the a-- than taxes from the moment I get out of bed till I climb back in, and I don't know many bean counters that can stop counting long enough to do anything positive about it.

Lies are feeding AGW they came first the moneys following second you will still have the lies after the money is gone.

People used to have the guts to say poop when they had a mouthful.

all we need is Obama to utter a few teleprompted phrases about them investigating the fraud and CBCpravda will be all over it like a fat boy on a twinkie.

"What's most important now is REVENGE, according to Senator Babs
Posted by: The Phantom at December 3, 2009 11:04 AM"

Babs must be talking about leaked national security documents to the NYT's...oh wait?

Jimby Prentice says it all: "Screw you deniers - you don't know what you're talking about"

Now be quiet, and pay my Tax On Everything (Coming Soon!!)

OTTAWA - The Harper government said controversy surrounding hacked e-mails of climate scientists doesn't change its concern about global warming or its position heading into a major international summit this month in Copenhagen.

Environment Minister Jim Prentice said it was unfortunate that a prominent scientist was forced to resign because of revelations in the e-mails, but the government still believes the science is clear that human activity is causing climate change.

"We're all interested in getting to the bottom of that, finding out exactly what happened," Mr. Prentice said after the daily question period in the House of Commons. "It does not change the position of Canada relative to the Copenhagen agreement and the Copenhagen thoughts. The science overall is relatively clear on all of this and as a conservationist and as a responsible environmental steward Canada wants to see carbon emissions reduced."

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2295516#ixzz0Ydyz1kU1

Has anyone NOT emailed the P.M. or their M.P.? Get on it! I suggested that Mr. Harper forget the alleged mistreatment of those murdering our soldiers, investigate Climategate and send the justice minister to Copenhagen, if anyone.

Joe,

It is a "one World Government ponzi scheme scam"

http://green-agenda.com/index.html

Just in case you missed it:

Environment Minister Jim Prentice said it was unfortunate that a prominent scientist was forced to resign because of revelations in the e-mails, but the government still believes the science is clear that human activity is causing climate change.

Tell Jimby what you think:

Constituency Office
Suite 105
1318 Centre St NE
Calgary, Alberta T2E 2R7
403 216-7777
Fax 403 230-4368
Prentice.J@parl.gc.ca

"...The conservative government has little choice but to support the "official" consensus. Were they to speak out against it, the entire Canadian MSM would be all over them about it."

Really Pete? That didn't stop these clowns from poking the 62 Percenters over the $1.95 vote subsidy. If they were so "scared" of the MSM, or the 62 Percenters, why even do that? They didn't know?

This is an even bigger scam than the $1.95. When polls said they were in majority territory on it, they "blinked". They didn't even have the strength of their own convictions. They don't seem to now, either. Don't amke excuses for them, there is too much climate lolly at stake here, all from the Cons, too.

Sucks to be all politically warm and fuzzy, eh? Chretein would have kicked their sorry butts all over! And I never voted Liberal. I'm a NEP survivor.

Tell me, after the Income Trust fiasco, do you really think that the Cons will NOT continue to tax us on carbon? They appear fairly drooling at the prospect from where I sit. Copenhagen was their "green" light to do so. The Libs are only upset because it doesn't have their names all over it.

Posted by: jt | December 3, 2009 11:26 AM

Add me to the list of those who received the same form letter from Esther at CBC, word for word.

Wow what a great write up!

Bombshell?! lol CBC are like the clumsy Iraqi IED bomb layers that blow themselves up.

I read the George Monbiotic Streptococcus article as well and reveled in the fact that in his fevered imagination we get to be the bad guys for a change. We are petro thugs! When do we get to hang with Hugo Chavez ?– I got my Che t-shirt back from the dry cleaners. The great majority of comments were against him and many quite humorous.

Kate, if there is a best of SDA, this post belongs at or near the top. Well done.

FYI, here is my response to the CBC form letter:

Esther,

Thank you for your reply.

I see that CBC news finally saw fit to run a news item on this story 1 week after it exploded onto the Internet, and 5 days after appearing in mainstream news bellweathers like the New York Times, after I submitted my complaint to the Ombudsman. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. I even saw a "protestor" on RDI protesting CBC's lack of coverage of this story by holding a sign behind an RDI reporter talking about an unrelated story. The sign demanded that the CBC report on this story.

I have a few more questions in response to your email:
Has the CBC covered this story yet on The National?
How did the CBC choose the headline for the web article you reference?
Besides the headline, which is clearly written with the intention of discrediting the leak of the data, the web story also had quotes from 3 people to attempt to discredit the significance of the email leak:
Kevin Trenberth who claimed "the hackers were selective in choosing documents they believed could be used to make the scientists look bad", apparently based only on his own intuition and wishful thinking, with no evidence to back his claim;
Phil Jones statement defending his use of the word "trick" when talking about "hide the decline",
Rajendra Pachauri, who defended the credibility of the IPCC's report that global warming is caused by man made greenhouse emissions in the wake of the scandal.

My question is, did the CBC attempt to solicit comment from people such as for example Steve McIntyre or Ross McKitrick, both well known Canadian climate change sceptics, to add balance to the web story and more information about the significance of the leaked data? Given that this story ran a week after the leak went viral on the internet, you certainly had time.

Has the CBC reported, either on the National or on cbcnews.ca, on the fact that the CRU has now admitted destroying the original raw temperature data that it based its models on? And that Phil Jones, who has now stepped down from his position at CRU, predicted in the leaked emails that he would do exactly that if pressed for the information through a FOIA request? This was reported in the Times in England 4 days ago...see here: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936328.ece.
Finally, you say you expect to publish more stories on the scandal leading up to Copenhagen. The scandal is now 2 weeks old and the CBC, along with most of the rest of the Canadian media, have largely avoided this story. Other than the story you reference, and another reporting on the resignation of Phil Jones, I've seen no other reference to it. Searching for "climategate" on Google Canada produces 22,800,000 hits at the time of this email. I think it is more than fair to say that any Canadian wanting to know more about this monumental story has been let down by the coverage afforded to it by the CBC.

My question is...What are you waiting for???

I have e-mailed my MP (conservative), Prentice and the PM. No response yet. Unfortunately, a few days ago I sent a cheque to the Conservative Fund Canada before knowing what the PM will do at Copenhagen. I'm going to the bank in a few minutes to put a stop-payment on that cheque.

Just a quote here:
"Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage." Disraeli

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Former-NASA-climate-scientist-pleads-guilty-to-contract-fraud-8613137-78268862.html

This link might interest you Kate.

jlc, ever heard of the term 'sarcasm'??

Speaking of TIME, the magazine. It is mostly apologia, but that just sets them up for a further fall.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1929071_1929070_1945175,00.html

Kate, excellent post! Love the "motley CRU in the wealth redistribution business" line."

That says it all, doesn't it?

Some time ago I stated that ANYONE (including Polis and media) that attached itself to this AGW-CO2 doom con job will have their public repute go down the flusher with this AGW fraud when the truth outted.

Today I sit in the warm glow of full vindication as the house of cards the climate hysteria scammers in media, academia, finance and politics crumbles around them.

The AGW fraud and it's collusive net work has served to open public eyes to that fact that 'Yes Virginia there are conspiracies", large ones, and perpetrated on a global scale. And yes, it IS all the usual suspects and our corporate lapdog MSM has been exposed as one of the elite players in massive pseudo science-political-economic con jobs.

Now - never forget the lesson learned here!

At this point Harper is keeping his cards close to his vest. But judging from all the emails people here have been sending to their MP's I would think there are a few firm voices speaking out in caucus.

Kate, you have posted some real gems, but this has to be the best one yet.
Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at December 3, 2009 2:14 AM

Haven't read all (123 atm) comments yet, but I concur with ron. Kate, this is perhaps your best commentary on any topic I've seen you write. God bless you for all your work in the past two weeks on this issue.

Well said, Kate. Keep up the pressure on the MSM - They need to be held accountable in the court of public opinion and the public needs to know the truth.

That was a brilliant post Kate. Thank you!!!

Here is an email I had just sent to the honorable Jim Prentice this morning;

Dear Jim,

I left a voice mail yesterday at your Calagary office expressing my concerns about the recent revelations of corruption amongst several of the worlds most influential climate change scientists. I thought it would also be worthwhile to send you an email with a link to an excellent summarization by Lord Christopher Monckton of the 'climategate' scandal (PDF file). This is well worth reading and gives an excellent account of how some of the most pivotal climate change scientists have willfully manipulated there research results to improperly influence political leaders. Please, if at all possible, take a few minutes to peruse some of this file prior to attending the conference in Copenhagen. I believe it is far better that we do not sign on to any agreement, than to sign on to an agreement that would be unrealistic for us to uphold. I believe that maintaining our sovereignty and our economy are far more important priorities than appeasing the so called "global community" on initiatives that will not make an iota of difference to the quality of our environment.

Here is the link;


http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monckton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf


Thank you,

Mark R*******

Hearings have begun:

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091203/ap_on_hi_te/sci_climate_hearing

Copenhagen is dead in the water, at least for Canada. India will not sign binding emission cuts-minister Harper has said more than once that if not every country is on board, there's no point in signing.

Now we can get on to the real danger - North American cap and tax.

lots to comment on here.

First, Aaron what you suggest is the equivalent of going for it on fourth down while leading, on your own 30 yard line, with 90 seconds left in the game. If it doesn't work for Tom Terrific, it won't work for us.

Second, as usual I agree with ET. Furthermore to her point, the UN is trying to shove it down our throats that the third world is entitled to modern technology, so we should pay for it. BS! Perhaps if the third world wasn't asleep at the wheel for centuries, they wouldn't be beggars! Never do they look in the mirror at their own history as the root cause for their meagre lifestyles.

Finally, to those that exposed this scam, thank-you. You've got millions of friends around the world who will look-out for you in your time of need, in a way that counts.

[quote]BUT - since AGW is not about the environment or climate but is about MONEY - then, what will this socialist agenda do to achieve its goal, of getting money from the West? How will they deal with it, since their AGW cover is starting to unravel?[/quote] ET

Your reasoning is valid, but we may be looking in the wrong direction. The huge Loser in Copenhagen would have been the DNC. 2012 would have devastated the main stream party when the EU connections went ballistic.....

Who ever leaked the AGW fraud did the DNC a huge favor.

How does a small flaky group of hidden American EU Communists recover from an over reach????? Who cares.

Well well Atric (see comment Dec 3 5:15 AM)-- I received the same letter, word for word, after my remarks to the Ombudsman.
Posted by: Patrick Armstrong at December 3, 2009 8:22 AM

As did I -- no doubt we were all BCC'ed on a single mass e-mail response to all the complaints the ombudsman got in this matter. I can't say I was expecting otherwise.

Thanks 'Kate' for such excellent posting and follow up links. You have the knack for getting the important news items to your blog readers [1wk to a month] before any news channels decides to put it out there.

The Conservative government believes that human activity is causing climate change.

Jim Prentice

Kathryn: the carbon tax is a done deal

The G&M is reporting “A British university said Thursday it would investigate whether scientists at its prestigious Climatic Research Unit fudged data on global warming.

Thousands of pieces of correspondence were stolen from the unit at the University of East Anglia and leaked to the Internet late last month. The e-mails have been taken by skeptics of man-made global warming as proof that scientists have conspired to hide evidence showing that global warming was not as strong as generally believed.
Phil Jones, the director of the unit, stepped down Tuesday pending the result of the investigation.

The university had promised a probe Tuesday, but it didn't specify what the investigation would encompass. Thursday's announcement was the first acknowledgment that the data itself would be examined.

The university said in an e-mail statement that its review will examine the e-mails and other information “to determine whether there is any evidence of the manipulation or suppression of data which is at odds with acceptable scientific practice.”

The university said former civil servant Muir Russell would lead the inquiry. Mr. Russell said in the statement that he “has no links to either the university or the climate science community.””

So much for the story from the G&M. But, of course, this investigation is going to be a whitewash (or "greenwash" if you prefer).

Once more..."The university said former civil servant Muir Russell would lead the inquiry. Mr. Russell said in the statement that he “has no links to either the university or the climate science community.”

But that does not mean he is independent. In fact, he is very badly compromised and should be removed as the lead of the inquiry.

Muir Russell is a member of the nine person Advisory Board to Scottish Power.

"In closing the meeting, First Minister Alex Salmond commented, “Scotland has a vast future as a green energy powerhouse for Europe. We have the natural resources to succeed, the skills base to drive research and development, and a government with the will to ensure that renewables generation is allowed to thrive.

“ScottishPower are well placed to take a central position in Scotland's greener future. The significant investment in renewables, outlined in their latest strategic plan, sets ScottishPower on the path to enjoying the success our global potential has to offer."

http://www.greenjobs.com/Public/index.aspx

In other words, the investigation is nothing more than a continuation of the fraud already perpetueated.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monckton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf

Poll: 59% think AGW scientists may have falsified data

Rasmussen indicates that the skepticism over AGW credibility predates the CRU scandal.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/03/poll-59-think-agw-scientists-may-have-falsified-data/

PM Harper and Minister Prentice, and all Conservative MPs, need to see/digest this internet poll’s question and results.

Those who have responded are voters/taxpayers.
…-

“CFRA Polls

Environment Minister Jim Prentice dismisses “climategate” conspiracy allegations, insisting global warming is real. Do you agree with him?”

Yes 14.0%

No 84.2%

Other 1.68%
Total Votes: 1128″

http://www.cfra.com/polls/default.asp

"It is a decision made all the more difficult by the limited resources and time available"

What? A billion plus taxpayers' dollars annually isn't enough? Who knew?

And here I've been nagging my MP to cut funding to the CBC and put the money toward health care and the military. It turns out that I should have been asking her to increase the handout.

What a revelation!

With Mann tossing Jones under the bus the next question is will Jones keep to himself, or is he now the designated fall guy. Keep his silence and rewarded in some other form, the way fall guys often are.

Should be interetsing.

Check out Kate's headliners - top of main. Great addition !

Jones Can't Outrun Bus, Gored By Mann

How can we award / nominate Canadian environmental economist Ross McKitrick and statistical minerologist Stephen McIntyre & Kate for the Order of Canada?

Bet we could make a great Master Card commercial out of the ceremony if you can have Suzuki be there as they get the awrd. You could show his face when they do the "priceless" part!

Mike Murphy

MOTHER OF ALL SCAMS TO TURN INTO MOTHER OF ALL BACKBITING

Those who have responded are voters/taxpayers
Posted by: maz2 at December 3, 2009 12:45 PM

You don't matter. Pay up.

Jimby Prentice: "Human activity is causing climate change"

The Media in both Canada and the US has are still talking endlessly about the so called “Gatecrashers”. It appears that Obama has known them since at least 2005. The media likely staged this to defer peoples attention away from the real issues like the economy, jobless, climategate etc.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17401

CBC only realised it might be news after they saw it on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.

Flood the ombidsman with complaints...make this the issue they have to eat humble pie about...don't let them have any sleep or rest until this is publically admitted by the CBC as having been repressed by their censors...they were willing to let us pay billions toward their one world governemnt plan and keep Canadians in the dark, lets have heads roll because of this info-control!

I'm sure we can expect Climategate2 somewhere in the future, that will finish them off.

Latest Copenhagen Conference "news"...

A leading British climate change economist warns that those who doubt the science of global warming are "confused"

http://en.cop15.dk/news

My response to the CBC. Others may feel free to amend, edit and use for the purpose of similarly responding.

~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Ms. Enkin,

Thank you for your response. I wish to reply to each of your points, explaining why your response does not sufficiently address the point of my original complaint to the ombudsman.

1. Your first point: "I suppose the short answer is CBC News did carry the story. On CBC News.ca, it was posted on November 26 under the headline, “Hackers skewed climate-change emails: scientists”. I expect we will be carrying more stories about the stolen documents and the fallout from their publication in the days before the opening of the UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen on December 7."

You indicate the story was carried on November 26th. That is a full six days after the story broke on Thursday, November 20th. If a six day delay to cover a major breaking story on one of the biggest issues of our time is considered acceptable, I would suggest your organization re-examine its priorities. As an interesting point of juxtaposition, I recall the CBC, within a matter of hours, provided copious amounts of coverage on the Stephen Harper "wafergate" non-scandal this past summer, coverage that then lasted several days.

Furthermore, the story carried on the 26th by the CBC carried stale information. Had that story been run on the 20th, or the 21st, it would have been relevant. But, by the 26th, further analysis primarily in the blogosphere had delved more deeply into the leaked information, going beyond the e-mails into the actual modeling code and data themselves. None of this information was covered in the 26th story.

Lastly on this point, the reporter quoted only sources friendly to man-made global warming theory (hereafter referred to as AGW). Why no feedback, for example, from McIntyre and McKitrick? And the headline was loaded to suggest the story was not in the leaked data, but in the alleged malfeasance of the whistle-blower. Why is this?

2. "To be fair, the story’s significance seemed only gradually to emerge."

So what? A story's growing significance should not have prevented the CBC from running a straight forward reporting of factual information about the data being leaked from a prominent AGW research facility within hours of the story breaking. This doesn't require any analysis, or opinion, or spin. Just do your job, and report the information like any respectable news organization would do. I would also point out, the reason the significance of the story grew was due to detailed analysis by independent bloggers, statisticians, scientists and others. Mainstream media (hereafter referred to as MSM) outlets (CBC and others) had no part in this breaking story, which truly does beggar belief. Is it any wonder private MSM outlets are going bankrupt, and public broadcasters such as the CBC need billion dollar subsidies?

3. "As you might expect, CBC News editors are faced daily with choosing - from among the thousands available in Canada and around the world - the few dozen stories that they feel are the most significant and will be of the greatest interest to Canadians. It is a decision made all the more difficult by the limited resources and time available in our news programs and our Internet pages. Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world, but thank you for drawing this one to our attention. We will continue to follow it."

Well, this strikes me as little more than whistling past the proverbial graveyard. Over the years, the CBC runs, prints, or airs ANY story that has been friendly to the AGW cause no matter how small or insignificant (or, even, truthful). But, when a major story breaks that goes against AGW dogma, suddenly the problem of limited resources arises. Apparently the CBC had enough resources to run the important story about Michael Jackson's glove being put up for auction. But, Climategate was simply one of many stories taking place around the world.

Sorry, Ms. Enkin, not good enough. You have not addressed the fundamental point of my objection, which is that ideological bias has irredeemably infected the CBC News department. Climategate was immediately recognizable as an interesting, if not major, story, with the potential to be a game changer (which it is turning out to be). It is simply not believable that it was not recognized as such by those within the CBC newsroom.
The non-coverage of Climategate must therefore be the result of deliberate inaction. No more. No less. Arguments to the contrary simply fall flat.

I will most certainly be requesting the ombudsman review this matter further.

Kindly,

Under the bus

Ya baby and this is just the start. Let's watch these weasels run for cover. They may pull Greyhound out of the red before the dust settles.

Al Gore just cancelled his propaganda speech in Copenhagen.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.berlingske.dk%2Fklima%2Fal-gore-aflyser-foredrag-under-cop15&sl=da&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Gore is probably worried about setting foot in the country with all the billion dollar carbon fraud investigations going on...

Bob @1:25

IF there is another release that reinforces this, on this scale from another source...ideally the Americans, then this definitely casts a chill, not a shadow, over the whole issue.

It would mean it was international in scale...it would mean it was more than just "the bad judgement of a man under pressure" in the UK.

It becomes impossible to defend at that stage. Right now, I think the needle has been moved far enough that nobody is goign to be able to get away without releasing original data, full data and complete source code. Just the transparency on its own will make a huge difference but over a number of years. Another scandal would set them the AGW back to ground zero and they would have to rebuild completely.

Goreacle Report: Experts say this is Ich bin satire.
UNabomber Mao Stlong and his nephew, Lae, aglee.
...-

"Al Gore cancels lecture during COP15

Berlingske regret to announce that Al Gore has canceled his event. De over 3.000 læsere, der har købt billet, får pengene retur. The more than 3,000 readers who bought a ticket, get money back."
[Goreacle]

"Den tidligere amerikanske vicepræsident har aflyst sit arrangement, som over 3.000 danskere har købt billet til. Foto: JOSE MENDEZ

Former U.S. vice president has canceled his event, more than 3,000 Danes have purchased a ticket. Photo: JOSE MENDEZ

Al Gore has this morning told Berlingske Media's great annoyance has canceled his planned major climate talks for Danes 16th december Tap in the old Carlsberg because, under the title "Climate Conclusion".

Cancellation comes with regard to unforeseen changes in Al Gore's program for the climate summit, COP 15.

Scheduled for Al Gore to show his new multimedia show, which fits just been published in his book "Our Choice", which comes with solutions to the planet's global climate problems.

(Excerpt) Read more at translate.google.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399493/posts

Well done Colin in your letter to the CBC! Excellent writing, and good for you for not letting CBC squirm out of your jaws.

Google results for

'Al Gore cancels lecture during COP15'

144,000,000 !!!

Almost as many $$s as he made on the scam.

"Gore cancels on Copenhagen lecture – leaves ticketholders in a lurch"

I suggest Sarah Palin fill in for him.

Mann throws Jones under the bus! Too funny. Must have taken lessons from Obama.

These men have no scruples. The show is just getting started folks, I can feel it.

And thanks to SDA we have a front row seat.

Mann throwing Jones under the bus is entertaining and I'm all for watching the blame game unfold, but we do well to not be deceived by the tactic of publicly discarding the bad apples in order to appear to be cleaning up the AGW swindle. Watch for the message following the finger-pointing.

Will P.Jones turn on the Team? The type of person who suggests deleting incriminating info would likely be shrewd enough to store a few CYA files.

Sarah Palin going to Copenhagen. You heard it here first.

Meanwhile Drudge still thinks Tiger Woods is the top story.

That fact that even Drudge is missing the ball only adds weight to Kate's post.

How can we award / nominate Canadian environmental economist Ross McKitrick and statistical minerologist Stephen McIntyre & Kate for the Order of Canada?
Posted by Mike Murphy at 1:10

If there are any conservative politicians lurking out there it might be a good idea for you to make sure the above mentioned people are actually nominated for an Order of Canada.
Your conservative base is looking for a "sign" you are paying attention to what they are saying about the scandal that is Climategate...you better start showing some real interest in their concerns.

I've been pounding away at Count Iggy's office for a week.
Not a peep in reply.
Not even so much as a form letter.

Lovely piece by Steyn:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/03/the-science-of-global-warming/

Especially the end...

Here's mine:

I am writing this letter to express my concern for the upcoming Climate meetings in Copenhagen. As a Canadian I cannot support any political party or person that would sign away our sovereignty in December 2009, or anytime in the future; and know this, signing any treaty that would obligate Canada and Canadians to curtail their policies including tax policy, foreign policy, environmental policy or any other policy will be viewed as just that by me and thousands of Canadians. Any philanthropic contributions from Canada must be by our own choice, and should be investigated on a case by case basis to verify the legitimacy of each cause. I implore you to not empower any unelected body, especially foreign, any type of influence over Canada’s affairs.

I suspect you have received many letters of a similar tone so I will not repeat the obvious arguments as to why I’m sceptical about Global Warming/Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change/Climategate/whatever. That being said, if, and that’s a big if, I can take Statements from Conservative MP’s as truthful on this matter (which I do not), I would still not condone the signing of any agreement similar to that which I mentioned above. CANADA HAS NO MORAL OBLIGATION TO REDUCE ITS CO2 EMMITIONS, and the signing of any treaty that suggests so is not tolerable!

There is a time for politics and there is a time for honour. Now it is time for honour! We are marching forward into interesting times where the worlds security is at stake and very difficult decisions may have to be made in the foreseeable future. Canadians need to be able to trust their government if they’re going to be asked to make the necessary sacrifices to protect and preserve Canada and it’s values. I don’t care how you do it, but stand-up and speak the truth! Find a way to get your message out regardless of the obstacles you face. I would rather have Canada stand-up for liberty and the truth while at the same time striking a devastating blow to the Global Warming scandal. I would rather suffer the consequences at the polls and risk a socialist government, than continue down the path of deceit for the sake of preserving the status quo in Canada’s Parliament.

Yours Truly
Jon Hamilton

The little "Word" paperclip guy, Climategate style:

http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2009/12/zing.html

Magnificent post Kate!

Generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children . . . this was the moment when the rise of the O-Shunns began to slow and the Bann-it began to heel

Pun v2.0:

Generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children . . . this was the moment when the rise of the O-Shunns began to slow and the PLAN-it began to heel

Poosted at Hot Air:

The fallout of the University of East Anglia CRU e-mails threatens to smother the credibility of anthropogenic global-warming advocates — and the UN along with them. In a new survey conducted after the exposure of UEA-CRU’s behind-the-scenes chicanery, the Rasmussen poll indicates that a majority of respondents think AGW scientists have lied about their data. Only 26% think that such dishonesty and fraud is either not very likely or not at all likely:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/03/poll-59-think-agw-scientists-may-have-falsified-data/

"How can we award / nominate Canadian environmental economist Ross McKitrick and statistical minerologist Stephen McIntyre & Kate for the Order of Canada?
Posted by Mike Murphy at 1:10"

right here . . .

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/order-of-canada/nomination-forms.html

Rob, I was surprised when Oil For Food didn't scupper the UN. You would think such obvious and blatant corruption would be enough... alas I surmise that MSM editors enjoy having their pockets picked by kleptocrats.

I heard you on Charles Adler, Kate! Good job! You are a goddess!!

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/order-of-canada/nomination-forms.html

Posted by: Fred at December 3, 2009 2:23 PM

Thanks Fred...done

Gore cancels his Copenhagen triumphal visit?! Now, that's something. Is he ashamed of bilking the world of millions in this scam? I'd bet he isn't.

Evidence of the Global propaganda machine set up to manipulate and brain wash the sheep. The goose lock stepping machine.

Great interview on Adler Kate.

If you "crashed" the Copenhagen meetings you might get the coverage you deserve in the MSM.

The modesty of Professor Jones

Aristotle, Francis Bacon, Descartes, Newton, Jones… Jones?

Under the direction of Dr. Phil Jones, the Climatic Research Unit of the University of East Anglia has, without fanfare, made the greatest methodological advance in the history of science. Their new procedure is without doubt the most elegant and sure way of proceeding from a pre-conceived idea to a foregone conclusion.

Hitherto secret details of the practical application of this radical new method are available at http://www.climate-gate.org/ but the process can be summarised as follows:

1. Obtain raw data
2. Select sub-set apparently most consistent with required trend
3. Analyse sub-set
4. If result confirms trend, go directly to step 6
5. Otherwise, re-select / re-analyse as necessary
6. Extrapolate trend to apocalyptic conclusion
7. Prepare excuses for non-release of data in response to FoIA / EIR requests
8. If 7 fails, destroy raw data
9. Prepare draft report
10. Submit draft report to peer review
11. If support unanimous, publish
12. Otherwise:
12.1 Browbeat dissenters into agreement
OR
12.2 Suppress their views
OR
12.3 Initiate ad hominem media campaign to discredit them
13. Release press statement asserting 'overwhelming support in the scientific community'
14. In view of universal acclaim, submit claim for increased funding
15. Return to step 1

Footnote

Below, without superfluous comment, the University of East Anglia's disarmingly candid statement of its philosophical position:

'UEA’s academic thinking was distinctive from the word go. The choice of ‘Do Different’ as the University’s motto was a deliberate signal that it was going to look at new ways of providing university education.'

theStar.com

We found 1 article for "climategate"

* Articles (1)

*
Gorrie: Scientists were angry,
but they didn't lie
Peter Gorrie November 28, 2009

As at 2pm CST today Dec. 3rd, the Red Star has ONE reference to Climategate in it's database:

INCREDIBLE !

Poll on CTV regarding "climategate" right now, I suggest every take a second to vote.

http://www.ctv.ca/news/

I'm a first-time reader, and I coudl not agree more with every idea you've put forth in this post. It was obvious to me about a week ago that the MSM were unintentionally, but irrefutably, indicting themselves by their silence as co-conspirators in the whole thing, for all the world to see.

CTV poll

WTF does this mean?
"Do you agree with proponents of the so-called 'climate gate' scandal?"

An even more worthless poll than other internet polls.

I think CG shows (to put it mildly) serious holes in AGW theory.
How should I vote?

Just voted on that very stupidly worded CTV poll. If I didn't know better, I'd think they were trying to game the poll. /sarc

The "AlGoracle" cancels his "Al-pocalyptical" lies.

So I gather the George Soros financed, Maurice Strong inspired one world governance FRAUD has been exposed for the sham that it is.

May the Copenhagen "Shaken Downin" (thanks Mark Steyn) and all it accessories and accomplices realize their just reward by the complete and utter failure of their designs.

Sending all your propositions straight to Hell, back where they belong, in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I extend to you a Merry CHRISTMAS!

But I'm afraid it is a lump of burning coal in your shoes this year! Because you may want to stay warm rather than freezing in the dark.

Much success with your biblically proportioned failure...

Matthew 7:24-27

24 "Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Gore's motive for cancelling? He now realizes that Copenhagen is going to be a circus, and this time he can't count on a submissive audience when he ridicules anyone who disagrees with him or is even in the least sceptical.

Climategate will also be a week older, bringing with it a week more of god-knows-what revelations. There's a much better chance that some of the people asking questions this time won't stand for the usual smug replies. I think that this is the main factor in his decision -- too many uncertainties that the buffoon and his supporting clowns can't stage-manage.

And, of course, Copenhagen is going to fail. He won't want to be there for that outcome.

By now I've heard all possible excuses for CPC not fulfilling campaign promises.

Do you guys at least understand, that by offering more excuses you are motivating the party to deliver even less?

What a bunch of defeatists you are.

ET- Shame, guilt, remorse, are not in the vocabulary of the true con man. How else could one steal from widows and orphans?

Since you've done a pretty good job pegging Obama's particular psychosis, why don't you have a go at Gore? I'm thinking megalomaniac. What do you think?

The time for debate is over ... the science is settled (some at the bottom of the dumpster).

Here is a short video by Nick Griffin to EU:
EU Speech - Preparation of the Copenhagen summit on climate change debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjlK1hpF6M

From my point of view in the UK it would appear that the BBC are by far the worst offenders in all this. Here we have a national broadcaster funded by a compulsory tax that is imposed upon anyone who watches a television, whether they watch BBC programmes or not. In times past the BBC had an awesome reputation globally, as the people to go to for unbiassed information and truth. Yet we have, as yet unconfirmed, information suggesting that FOIA actually sent the leaked information to the BBC first, in effect offering them the scoop of the decade. Instead of taking the opportunity to blow the warming scam sky high, it appears that they stuck to their rules of impartiality and sat on the story for a whole month in the laughable hope that it would blow over. Even after the story broke they spent several days pretending that it didn't exist. Even today (3/12) the BBC website offers no links on the story, presumably out of twenty million potential results they have been unable to find a single one that toes the BBC line.

From my point of view in the UK it would appear that the BBC are by far the worst offenders in all this. Here we have a national broadcaster funded by a compulsory tax that is imposed upon anyone who watches a television, whether they watch BBC programmes or not. In times past the BBC had an awesome reputation globally, as the people to go to for unbiassed information and truth. Yet we have, as yet unconfirmed, information suggesting that FOIA actually sent the leaked information to the BBC first, in effect offering them the scoop of the decade. Instead of taking the opportunity to blow the warming scam sky high, it appears that they stuck to their rules of impartiality and sat on the story for a whole month in the laughable hope that it would blow over. Even after the story broke they spent several days pretending that it didn't exist. Even today (3/12) the BBC website offers no links on the story, presumably out of twenty million potential results they have been unable to find a single one that toes the BBC line.

It just gets better
a 1974 CIA study on the effects of the coming global COOLING. And (best of all) it quotes the University of East Anglia (p15) which bases it studies on.... wait for it.... "climatic statistical trends".

Read and enjoy

http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf

Environment Minister Jim Prentice said the government believes that human activity is causing climate change.

Tell him what you believe, and where he can put his Carbon Tax on Everything.

Constituency Office
Suite 105
1318 Centre St NE
Calgary, Alberta T2E 2R7
403 216-7777
Fax 403 230-4368
Prentice.J@parl.gc.ca

Now wait...apart from one blog - has Gore REALLY cancelled his Copenhagen speech? It's not in any non-blog site.

Al Gore Cancels
Berlingske(Danish News Site)

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.berlingske.dk%2Fklima%2Fal-gore-aflyser-foredrag-under-cop15

Article from 2007*.
...-

"When you add it all up, this is a flimflam of epic proportions:

First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism

Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population

Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn't immediately act

Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore's views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists

Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore's group has already invested in

Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens America -- what a country!"
...-

"Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming

As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, there are huge dollars to be made from global warming alarmism. However, conceivably no one is better positioned to financially benefit from this scam than Dr. Global Warming himself, former Vice President Al Gore, a fact that the media will surely not share with Americans any time soon.

Yet, if America’s press would take some time out of their busy schedules covering the earth-shattering details surrounding Anna Nicole Smith’s demise, they might find a deliciously inconvenient truth about the soon-to-be-Dr. Gore that is significantly more fascinating and diabolical than anything likely to emerge from that courtroom in Broward County, Florida.

As reported by Dan Riehl (emphasis mine throughout):" (more)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2399602/posts

The MSM have certainly shafted themselves on this one. I suspect that their belief was, "It isn't a story if we don't tell it. So . . ." In other words, if they didn't show up for the game, there was no game to be played. But guess what? All they've done is prove, irrevocably that in fact, the game can carry on perfectly well without them. The facts were leaked. The analysis began and continued (and with far more skill and depth than the MSM could ever muster). The debate was joined on both sides of the issue. Politicians were contacted (I wrote to several). A ground swell for action and response has been initiated. And in all of this, where has the MSM been? LOB? No. MIA? No. Try cowardice and desertion in the face of the enemy. Hide in the chateau and the bullets won't touch you.

The only reason I bother with CTV or CBC news at all, on the rare occasions I watch them, is from a morbid curiosity to see if they've picked up the ball or if they are still blathering on about Tiger Woods' cut on his nose. They are beyond pathetic -- like some old punch drunk fighter in the nursing home swinging at the air who still thinks he's back in the ring, and that the roaring in his ears is the crowd cheering him on.

Great job on Adler today!

Just called Prentice' office, spoke to a very nice lady, but she said to send detailed email.

These guys need to be flooded. My email is on the way.

By the way, phone calls, if received in large enough numbers get attention ... so do that too and insist on talking to the gate keeper about your views as those views filter down to the minister.

Do it.

dp- no, I don't think Gore is a megalomaniac.

He's just a non-intellectual, unintelligent, unscientific romanticist. Add this to the fact that he has a lifelong basic streak of religious evangelism, of feeling that he can access The Truth and can Save Others. This means that you've got someone who can't think or analyze, who has a tendency to believe in Final Sin and the Purity of Redemption..and that's all there is to Al Gore.

And socially, there's his elitism that comes from a privileged background where he's never had to work or study hard; he's never been in a situation where he had to prove that his ideas were 'right'. He's an idealogue, living in a world made up of ideas and ideals that have no connection to reality. Add this to his romanticism and evangelism..puff and stuff.

That's all there is to Al Gore.

The fact that the MSM isn't covering the news that Al Gore has cancelled his lecture at COP15 while they cover Al Gore's every other utterance and appearance shouldn't be construed as bias on their part, right CBC?/sarc

Focus? With hope, fear, and change? Focus? Ottawa to focus? Focused, again.

Focused by Our Enemy, The State.
...-

"Ottawa to focus on 'absolute' pollution targets: Prentice

OTTAWA — The Harper government signalled a change on Thursday in its approach to tackling climate change by focusing on absolute caps on pollution from industry.

Appearing at a parliamentary committee, Environment Minister Jim Prentice said the government's strategy would call for a national cap-and-trade system with "absolute caps" to put a price on carbon, under a harmonized structure with the United States.

"We are talking about a cap-and-trade system, a continental cap-and-trade system that involves absolute emission reductions, not intensity targets," said Prentice in response to a question from Bloc Quebecois MP Bernard Bigras.

Prentice said the government's climate change policies previously had called for "intensity targets" for pollution from industrial facilities that require reductions per unit of production and would allow businesses to meet targets while their emissions were increasing. For example, under an intensity system, an oil company would be required to meet a target per barrel of oil, and could therefore achieve targets by increasing production and reducing the rate of growth of their emissions.

But numerous experts from industry and governments suggested this would not be compatible with a proposed U.S. system based on absolute reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.

Prentice will participate in an international climate change summit that begins next week in Copenhagen where countries are attempting to reach a new political agreement to address rising greenhouse gas emissions that are believed to cause global warming."

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Canada+climate+change+policy+shifting/2299134/story.html
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CTV poll - confusing question. Is it that I agree with those who are denying there is a "so called" scandal or do I agree with those who agree this was a sham?

Also note the related story underneath "Climate chief: Nations must ignore climate saboteurs". Wonder what's in it for him?

Agree with earlier comments that this story has yet to make it to the mainstream. I have mentioned it to many, much to their surprise. They had no idea.

Busy day today, so unsure if this point has been made.

CBC only moved on the story when Jon Stewart mentioned it the night before.

Apparently, their trigger that this is news is when a freakin' comedy show airs it.

The funniest part was when Stewart repeated Mark Steyn's observation that it was a good thing Al Gore invented the internet so somebody could discover the news.

It is a great victory for science and a bad two weeks for the political scientists at CBC.

So, now we have a hard cap Carbon Tax coming out of the guy who says climate change is caused by man.

From Prentice's wikipedia page:

"Prentice has also been unwilling to candidly respond to questions from the public. On a 10 minute interview with the CBC's Search Engine radio program he dismissed any question related to digital rights management as "extremely technical" and claimed that the market will take care of copy protected CD's. Prentice then hung up mid question and refused to continue the interview at a later time."

Ugh.

ET-Which diagnosis makes him more dangerous?

I think there may be just a slight tinge of guilt in him. His father was a tobacco farmer, and he seems to feel something like shame, when he speaks of it. Maybe "feels" is too strong a description.

It seems to me that Gore should have a brighter light on him, in the present situation. After all, he was the front man for much of this. His movie was the basis for the majority of people's view on global warming. It was he, who spearheaded the assault on school children. People trusted him, in fact they adored him. Pointing out his motives to the common man is the appropriate move, right now.

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/photos/november/index.htm?crmcontact=12174134&crmnws=CRM_WB_SNR_03_E1_091201_1

Whistler Blackcomb Smashes Record For Snowiest Month Ever With Over 5.5 Metres (18 Feet) Of Snowfall
November 2009 takes the podium as Whistler Blackcomb’s snowiest month in recorded history

My prayer is for snow in Copenhagen, lots of it!

Hey Hans-Christian Anderson's "Snow Queen" comes to Copenhagen...

The Snow Queen, queen of the snowflakes or "snow bees", who travels throughout the world with the snow. Her palace and gardens are in the lands of permafrost, specifically Spitsbergen. She is successful in abducting Kai after he has fallen victim to the splinters of the troll-mirror. She promises to free Kai if he can spell "eternity" with the pieces of ice in her palace.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

Prentice isn't going to implem
ent any Tax unless the US would & the Crap and Trade will never pass the US Senate.

Jed:

Correct. Neither is India, China or Australia.

The political science is settled. It's a fraud.

That's all there is to Al Gore.
Posted by: ET at December 3, 2009 4:20 PM

Watch the Alex Jones free on line video "Fall of the Republic" for Al Gore's background. Last third of the video.

Climate-alarmism is crashing and burning.

So what is the Media's reaction?

'roger Houston, go at throttle up'

Kate...I watched the painful presentation by Mansbridge. I think you were much too gracious to him. Of course they included the token university professor handily describing the weirdos that lirk around his office trying to get into his computer. Yep, those deniers are a weird bunch.
This week will determine Canada's path.My support, financial and otherwise for the CPC is on the line.I would be happier if I had control over my taxes being wasted on CBC.

Thanks for all that you do Kate. The Order of Canada doesn't deserve you.

Good gravy, Marie! What a post! What comments!
This story should have been on the front pages of every newspaper when it broke out. The media lost an opportunity AND whatever credibility they might have had, so, boo on them. The consumers deserve to have this splashed about as they have been victims of green profiteers. They should get EVERY penny back.
It fries me to think that there are those who still buy into this bunk.
Just my thoughts.

Have to agree with Erik Larsen and other posters who see that the general populace in their neighbourhood are still completely unaware of the story let alone the implications. There is good reason for dictatorships to have control of the press and internet surfing tends to be insular - looking at links we are comfortable with (ie. not the very uncomfortable other side) There is still very much to do. We need to promote aha moments - those moments when we finally got it - to change that. I had one of those moments some years ago. Wish I could bottle whatever that was that converted me and release it in a large crowd.

BBC is reporting that David Cameron UK Conservative Leader ( a born again greenie who jumped on the greenie bandwagon so he's look good to young voters) is being challenged by his rival who say Global Warming is bunkum.

"Tory backbencher David Davis has launched an open challenge to David Cameron's climate change policies by criticising the 'fixation' of the green movement."

Hmmmmm looks like a pattern here. First Australia, then the UK.

Climategate seems to have provided the impetus for some politicians to grow a pair.

Prentice is a total jerk and is totally out of his depth. I have a simple question for an obvious simpleton.

Mr. Prentice , what part of the now exposed fraudulent global warming hoax do you not comprehend ?

Was it the deliberate altering of data , the exclusion of honest peer review , the hopelessly confused computer programs , or the obvious socialist bent of the scientists involved in the CRU and IPCC ?

CTV polls on this issue are such a joke. The poll previous to today's asked if golbal warming could be stopped. No matter how you answered you werre agreeing that global warming existed. Today's is just as stupid.
"Have you stopped beating your wife?" would be just as appropriate.
It's CTV's weak little excuse at spinning.
What a pack of anuses.
(what's the plural of anus?)
OK substitute assholes.

Brian @ 5:15...add the 2 week cover-up by MSM to your list.

"You call it 'Climategate'; I call it 'E-mail-theft-gate,'" she said during a committee meeting. "Whatever it is, the main issue is, Are we facing global warming or are we not? I'm looking at these e-mails, that, even though they were stolen, are now out in the public."
"We may well have a hearing on this, we may not. We may have a briefing for senators, we may not," Boxer said. "Part of our looking at this will be looking at a criminal activity which could have well been coordinated.
"This is a crime," Boxer said."

It's NOT about the e-mails, ya stupid b!tch! It's about the fudged data that accompanied them.

I notice the CBC National also employed a similar "limited hangout" technique: Only talked about the e-mails and said exactly NOTHING about the accompanying data! That's simply not good enough.

The internet has come of age.
When a rumour from half way around the world can be picked up, confirmed, examined, conclusions drawn, corelations drawn and anyalized, key players scrutinized before the main stream even pick up the ball.
The body of research put together by anyone who cared to do a search. The mass of information compiled on this in the last 14 days is astounding.
Breaking updates published within minutes of occurring.
If the MSM choose not to adapt and serve their consumers they will become utterly irelevant.

Stratagies should be developed to consoledate
the power of this new tool. To form a unified voice.
The significance is not lost on the elites.
They can not hide anymore.
I only hope that this emboldens more whistlblowers
to step forward and tell the world what these "elites" are up to so the common individual
can stand against them.
Thats the kind of "New World Order" I could get behind!

Al Gore cancels his Copenhagen speech: Well, Al, you can run but you can't hide.

'Wonder if he's thinking about disappearing into a deep, dark jungle somewhere, where no one can corner him? He's been looking guilty and increasingly ee-vil for years and now he's caught out.

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, Al. It's gonna take a miracle to get you out of this one.

Another topnotch post Kate Thank You.

The MSM lack of coverage is disgracefull,intentional,agenda driven and biassed. This comes as no big surprise.Look at the way they covered the coalition of the three amigos or protests of coalition. Hopefully this is the last nail in their coffin. What a waste of tax dollars.

When the story broke two weeks ago, most SDA commenters agreed that the media would attempt to make the "theft, hack or leak" the issue. Forget about the content. That's still how it's being spun. Kate mentioned prominently that the emails were secondary. That the code in the software contained much more revealing information in the REMS.
Ask any reporter what REM means and they won't be able to answer. And they'll make no effort to find out, because it won't be in any press release.

Is there a link for Kate's appearance on Charles Adler's show?

Prentice is a total jerk and is totally out of his depth. I have a simple question for an obvious simpleton.

Mr. Prentice , what part of the now exposed fraudulent global warming hoax do you not comprehend ?

Aren't you being a little harsh? Isn't your assessment based on MSM coverage of the Government's position? Isn't it more important to make sound decisions on the matter than to bleat on to the press in advance of those decisions?

Let's see what unfolds starting Monday. My guess is that no more money will be committed to AGW - that's the first step. First we knock the fools down to the ground; the kick in the face can wait.

Good job on Charles Adler today Kate. Although he did throw you a few curve balls and didn't really stay on subject.

Who is being harsh?

We are talking about a cap-and-trade system, a continental cap-and-trade system that involves absolute emission reductions, not intensity targets," said Prentice

The Conservative government believes the science is clear that human activity is causing climate change, said Prentice.

"Whistler Blackcomb Smashes Record For Snowiest Month Ever With Over 5.5 Metres (18 Feet) Of Snowfall

November 2009 takes the podium as Whistler Blackcomb’s snowiest month in recorded history"

urlm.in/dqmt

'If you look at Roman times, grapes grew up against Hadrian's Wall. In the 1700s they had ice fairs on the Thames,' he said.
'So the world has been significantly hotter, significantly colder than it is now. We've coped.'

That's from Tony Abbot, the new leader of the Liberal Party in Australia.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1232548/Climate-change-sceptics-control-debate-ahead-global-conference.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0YfNo5cHm

How long untill we here that from a conservative here in canada? I already told my MP that that 2500 IPCC voices of knowledge crap was going nowhere with me,

love this one though, it's a 1974 CIA Climate report, pdf form, http://www.climatemonitor.it/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/1974.pdf

It's like their coverage of Obama, eventually the story gets so big and rotten that even investigative journalists are forced to notice it.

I just had a call from the G&M wanting to know if I'd subscribe and that they would give me a $25 gift if I did.

So after I explained to the young lady that it is very unethical to try and bribe someone to subscribe - just so they can pump their circulation numbers and advertising rates, I made it emphatically clear that because of the G&M role in covering up ClimateGate, they would never see a penny of my money.

She told me she had never heard of ClimateGate until she started her shift dialing for dollars for the G&M, but she'd had an earful all day.

The financial repercussions of covering up the news comes back to haunt the Lame Street Media in Canada.

Now, about that Public Inquiry over the CBC News Dept role in covering up the ClimateGate story.

As I have harped here for ages, just think GORE and RICO. I hope I hear it often, Gore and the Rico Act has a nice sound to it.

Even if the MSM wanted to deal with these, they couldn't - how many MSM actually have journalists with a science background? And I'm not counting Bob MacDonald from CBC Quirks and Quarks - he's an English major playing a journalist on the radio.

All the MSM would have been able to tell us is what they have told us - that emails have been hacked and released - they have NO idea or ability to interpret what they mean, what the impact is on the 'settled science' or even how real science differs from global warming science.

Very few MSM employ journalists who have any background in anything beyond J-school - not the best training to analyze anything beyond reporting who attended the city council meeting.

Very nice post. The media has been abysmal on this across the world. Even conservative outlets have missed the big points.

Ya try and spoon feed em what they need to know but it's like getting a 3 yo to eat yucky food.

The Conservative government believes the science is clear that human activity is causing climate change, said Prentice.

I can't find such a direct quote, but nonetheless, I would be interested in how you might have responded to the Canadian media. Perhaps something like "yeah eh, we're heading to Copenhagen to tell the world that we Canadians eh, have discovered this bunk, and we're just not buying in to it eh" Or might you have been more reserved and simply deferred to watching things unfold, like nobody else buying into it so we won't either. But always holding in reserve the point that AGW seems to have be debunked, so forget any funding from Canada, eh.

Ottawa urged to pay more into global climate fund

Allan Woods Ottawa Bureau
Published On Wed Dec 02 2009

OTTAWA – Canada needs to contribute more money to a global fund that will help poor countries deal with the ravages of climate change, a new report says.

The federal government appears willing to commit up to $200-million to an annual $10-billion Copenhagen launch fund that was agreed to at a meeting of Commonwealth leaders last weekend. Environment Minister Jim Prentice said that figure is based on the fact that Canada's greenhouse gas emissions make up 2 per cent of the global total.

Speaking of change - a lot of it is going down in the lower 48. Come on over to http://samandimp.wordpress.com for a snout full of all of it that we have been subjected to over the past year beginning with the great Obama's first utterances on the national stage "change." Of course climate change is put in its proper place. Remember the times when we used to chant "change is good"? Those times are gone and in their place - change that is threatening like socialism, climate change and higher taxes. In short, we need to sift through all of this change and get to the heart of the matter - what is and is not REAL change.

Speaking of bottle genies...
Bring it on!
NEXT.

...willing to commit up to $200-million to an annual $10-billion Copenhagen launch fund

Did Prentice say that? Don't believe everything you read in TheStar.

Well said Kate.

Syncro

I've always disagreed with hardboiled's point of view but on this issue I agree.

As conservatives we better start finding the courage of our convictions and start sticking to them and quit being so damn nice...

We don't owe anyone an apology for who we are and what we believe in.

Harper could help kill this nonsense not fund it.

Kate: You are an inspiration and a blessing to those seeking the truth through out North America and beyond.

Keep up the excellent coverage.

I just canceled some subcriptions.
dropped the money in Kates tip jar.

For me the main stream HAS become irrelavent.

For the first time on uk bbc main news the story has been mentioned, albeit briefly, (20 seconds tops) the camera so close to a printed email it removed its significance. I didn't relise you were in the same boat. Btw my scepticism is a result of m and m and sda. Keep up the good work.

For the first time on uk bbc main news the story has been mentioned, albeit briefly, (20 seconds tops) the camera so close to a printed email it removed its significance. I didn't relise you were in the same boat. Btw my scepticism is a result of m and m and sda. Keep up the good work.

From Environment Canada's website:

"For the first time in Canadian history, the Government of Canada will impose mandatory reductions on big industry and new regulatory requirements to reduce emissions from cars and trucks."

http://climatechange.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=3F11F818-1#ws65F22F28

It's already underway. The bureaucrats won't stop now.

The North American media has proved what many small dead animals have known for years,
1. The media and especially news departments are not about news, they are about money and power.
2. The last shred of credibility that the mainstream news organizations had is now gone.

TJ @ 1:46 p.m. "Well done Colin in your letter to the CBC! Excellent writing, and good for you for not letting CBC squirm out of your jaws."

With due respect to both of you: the CBC has absolutely no interest in the integrity and intelligence of people like Colin. The CBC will completely ignore the verifiable facts and sterling logic of Colin's letter. Wait and see. The next letter from Ms Enkin or from Vince Carlin, himself (actually, quite quite pleasant man), the "non-partisan" Ombudstoady—he’s paid by the CBC, for heaven’s sake—will be full of the same kind of astonishing bafflegab.

I know I’m playing fast and loose with the word, “squirm”, but . . . One needs to have integrity and a sense of fair play in order to squirm about one’s transgressions. The CBC is brazen and has no integrity. The CBC won’t squirm out of anyone’s jaws: it punches any dissenter IN the jaws, by treating them with utter contempt, and then just saunters away. So far, the CBC has gotten away with this travesty: it still gets $ 1 billion a year from the hapless taxpayer.

I’m very glad that Colin wrote the very fine letter he did to the CBC. But the CBC “won’t get it”. Really. The Bible describes this kind of transaction as “throwing pearls before swine”. (I hope I’m wrong, but in over two decades of “interfacing” with the CBC Ombudsman, I don’t think I will be.)

It was announced on Fox today that Senator Ihoff will be going to Copenhagen with his "Truth Squad". This should make things interesting...no wonder Gore cancelled out!

Make that, "actually, quite a pleasant man".

It's already underway. The bureaucrats won't stop now.

The bureaucrats will stop when their bosses the politicians tell them to stop. Do you think that significant taxpayer dollars will be committed to AGW at Copenhagen or any place else after the Climategate debacle?

What's the record for comments on a particular thread?

I answered "yes" to the CTV poll. I hope that's the correct answer. What a ridiculously worded question.

*******

TJ and Concerned Canadian, thanks for your kind words re: my letter to CBC. CC, I sadly suspect your analysis is spot on.

Have the MSM, Jim Prentice and Al Gore started jumping on the couch yet?

The MSM actually believe they can persuade us to subscribe to their news (hind)sites. "Of course Rupert old cobber, here's my money, now tell me about that Climategate scoop of yours".

Slightly off-topic. CBC's Power and Politics had John Duffy from StategyCorp on today to tell us all how bad the Conservatives are doing. This man along with Susan Smith,from BlueSky Strategies,who appears regularly,are both former communication directors with the Liberals. CBC undoubtedly knows this,yet actively portray these people as non-partisan,rarely if ever mentioning their former 'professional' background. This is unethical at best.Their agenda,childishly hidden,is to sway the public against PMSH and into the liberal camp. FIRE.THEM.ALL.

Get your T-shirts and bumper stickers. "I Knew Global Warming Was Bullshit Ten Years Ago".

The ever stunned cbc has been pushing the showing of....you guessed it..An Inconvenient Truth,this wk-end. Unbelievable.

Goreacle has surfaced at TimesUK.

Goreacle goes Biblical:

"from strength to strength”."

"From the Bible, Psalms 84:7 (King James Version):

They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God."
...-

"He also brushed aside questions over the reliability of climate science that have followed the publication last month of leaked e-mails between climate experts.

He claimed that the scientific consensus around climate change “continues to grow from strength to strength”.

He added: “The naysayers are in a sunset phase with a spectacular climax just before they subside from view. This is a race between common sense and unreality.”
...-

"Copenhagen targets not tough enough, says Al Gore"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/copenhagen/article6943447.ece

I just heard Kate on Adler's show. Listened to it twice, actually. Very good. Btw at the end, her dismissal of having not listened to Bob Rae in the past few years was great ... probably even touched Iggy's heart!

From the conversation I learned of "Eric S. Raymond". From his blog I learned of Ken Burnside's new blog on the subject and from it I found this warmlist. It's a compilation of all the dreadful things that AGW zealots have said will be caused by a 0.006°C per year increase in temperature. Quite funny!

I knew it Sammy. Just like last year when we were suffering through a horrible winter, they played that stupid movie over and over.

It's meant to be a slap in the face and an "eff you, deniers!".

261 comments ... allow me to make it 262 with my Congrats Kate!

“The naysayers are in a sunset phase with a spectacular climax just before they subside from view. This is a race between common sense and unreality.” ...?

Sounds delusional.

Maybe this was posted before, but there's a lively discussion going on now at CBC News.

Click on the "Most Recent" comments though and you'll STILL see a bunch of nimwits who refuse to acknowledge that ClimateGate is an actual news story. In school, what's lower than an "F"?

Question: Has any polling been done to see if there's a correlation between these "F students" and NDP voters?

So, guess who's a new board member of the David Suzuki Foundation?

GEORGE STROUMBOULOPOULOS!!!

Check out his bona fides ... " ... George has interviewed many of the most influential and recognized people in the world, and is one of the most respected journalists in Canada" blah, blah, blah ... read more:

http://www.davidsuzuki.org/About_us/Board_of_Directors.asp

FYI: Honorary Board Members

Margaret Atwood
Robert Bateman
James Burke
Raffi Cavoukian
Dr. Wade Davis
Dr. Paul Ehrlich
Peter Garrett
Gordon Lightfoot
Mike Robinson
Gordon Roddick
Sting
Maurice Strong
Dr. E.O. Wilson

Speaking of Green,

http://www.eventbrite.com/contact-organizer?eid=492994560

Question: Has any polling been done to see if there's a correlation between these "F students" and NDP voters?

How long since anyone was awarded an "F"? Does it actually even exist?

Came across this headline from CBC in 2007:

Harper's letter dismisses Kyoto as 'socialist scheme'

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/01/30/harper-kyoto.html

"Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations," Harper's letter reads.

This makes one wonder how much credibility the governement gives it's in-house experts at Enviroment Canada....much like the swivellel servants at Justice---these beaurocrats appointed by the LIBRANOs fail to realize the COLD WAR is over and their side lost.

There should be a real bloodbath/inquiry into the politicization of ALL Government agencies.

A poster earlier today chastised the National Post for not covering this story. Interesting . . .

. . . because this very day I read a blistering attack on the AGW boosters by Terence Corcoran in the National Post’s Financial Post Comment (p. FP 11). Re “The Munk Debate: Climate Change”, Corcoran wrote an editorial, entitled “Skeptics score a win against alarmists”. On the same page was a part of the above debate by Bjorn Lomborg, “[AGW] Not mankind’s defining crisis”.

Both of these commentaries were scathing in their refutation of the AGW alarmists. (Yes, it would be helpful if these columns were in the first section of the paper: I only read them because my husband brought them to my attention. . . so I understand the poster’s concern.)

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Former-NASA-climate-scientist-pleads-guilty-to-contract-fraud-8613137-78268862.html

Former NASA climate scientist pleads guilty to contract fraud
By: Bill Myers
Examiner Staff Writer
December 2, 2009
Former NASA manager Mark Schoeberl, of Silver Spring, pleaded guilty to contract fraud Tuesday.

A former top climate scientist who had become of one the scientific world's most cited authorities on the human effect on Earth's atmosphere was sentenced to probation Tuesday after pleading guilty to steering lucrative no-bid contracts to his wife's company.

In addition to a year's probation, former NASA manager Mark Schoeberl, 60, of Silver Spring, was also fined $10,000 and ordered to put in 50 hours of community service. He admitted in the late summer that he had hid some $50,000 in NASA contracts for a company called Animated Earth, which was run by Schoeberl's wife, Barbara. Prosecutors alleged that Schoeberl tried to help his wife's firm for years. When his colleagues balked at giving no-bid contracts to his wife's firm, Schoeberl pressured them to steer money to his wife through indirect means.

Schoeberl was the chief scientist of the Goddard Space Flight Center's Earth Sciences Division and the head of the Aura Project, a NASA mission to study the Earth's ozone layer, air quality and climate. He has written extensively about the depletion of the ozone level, and the influence of humans on global climate change."

Climategate goes LIEberal party!

The festivities have begun!!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht BGS, PDP, CFP

Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”

The F students are most likely CBC staff. Too busy spinning to serve their audience. Charging overtime to boot.

That would be our tax dollars at work.

Fire.them.all.

CBC actually has a story up today that contains this ----""Who knows?" one official wrote in secret emails obtained this week by The Associated Press."
Unfortunately this story has nothing to do with the scam of the century,but is mindless bumf that ridicules the U.S.,
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/03/canada-bad-guys-espionage.html#socialcomments

Going beyond the lamestream (who've already lost), I plan on using this as a cribsheet for a message to my elected oafs.

The MSN is too busy reporting the major story of the century.......... Tiger Woods.

Tonight on the six pm national radio news on cbc:

A story about "cannibal" polar bears, attributed to, wait for it, AGW !

As for climategate...................waiting, waiting...............waiting.....

I read some of the comments to Monbiot's ridiculous "blame Canada" article.

One apologetic Canadian lefty certainly let the cat out of the bag with this one. Speaking of the oil workers:

They expect high wages and solid benefits from union jobs that require nothing more than a strong back. I've met some of those hard hats from the tar sands - thick as planks and they make a hundred-grand a year. One guy - 22 years old and a Grade 10 drop-out - made a quarter million running a backhoe. I was a decade in university and I don?t make half that. Those Epsilons are laughing at me!

Rarely have the true motivations of the Left - snobbery and envy - been displayed so openly.

"How dare those rednecks make more money than me, a dweeb who spent a decade writing papers about Gender Studies at university! Damn them!"

cornucopia of climate stories

http://climate-change.newsvine.com/

Just published on Facebook a few minutes ago:

Mr. President: Boycott Copenhagen; Investigate Your Climate Change "Experts"

Today at 4:17pm

The president’s decision to attend the international climate conference in Copenhagen needs to be reconsidered in light of the unfolding Climategate scandal. The leaked e-mails involved in Climategate expose the unscientific behavior of leading climate scientists who deliberately destroyed records to block information requests, manipulated data to “hide the decline” in global temperatures, and conspired to silence the critics of man-made global warming. I support Senator James Inhofe’s call for a full investigation into this scandal. Because it involves many of the same personalities and entities behind the Copenhagen conference, Climategate calls into question many of the proposals being pushed there, including anything that would lead to a cap and tax plan.

Policy should be based on sound science, not snake oil. I took a stand against such snake oil science when I sued the federal government over its decision to list the polar bear as an endangered species despite the fact that the polar bear population has increased. I’ve never denied the reality of climate change; in fact, I was the first governor to create a subcabinet position to deal specifically with the issue. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state. But while we recognize the effects of changing water levels, erosion patterns, and glacial ice melt, we cannot primarily blame man’s activities for the earth’s cyclical weather changes. The drastic economic measures being pushed by dogmatic environmentalists won’t change the weather, but will dramatically change our economy for the worse.

Policy decisions require real science and real solutions, not junk science and doomsday scare tactics pushed by an environmental priesthood that capitalizes on the public’s worry and makes them feel that owning an SUV is a “sin” against the planet. In his inaugural address, President Obama declared his intention to “restore science to its rightful place.” Boycotting Copenhagen while this scandal is thoroughly investigated would send a strong message that the United States government will not be a party to fraudulent scientific practices. Saying no to Copenhagen and cap and tax are first steps in “restoring science to its rightful place.”

- Sarah Palin

Colin @ 6:34 p.m. Re "I [Colin] sadly suspect your [my] analysis [of CBC bias and obfuscation] is spot on".

Yup.

Cheers!

If he made $100K running a hoe at the tar sands, he worked his butt off in weather that is too rude to talk about and bugs that armour piercing rounds to bring down.

Pull the plug out of your butt and start putting in long hours in ugly places and you too will make big money....that is if they'll hire you at all.

In Asian cultures that derive some or all of their mores from the teachings of Confucius, a silent accused is most likely a guilty accused. In the case of AGW, it seems to be correct for many of the low level participants from all cultures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjlK1hpF6M

Thanks for posting this link ivebinnhad - to Lord Moncton's article. This article says it was a whistle-blower not a hack and the whistle-blower sent the information to the BBC and other media a MONTH before he sent it to the 'remote website' where it was picked up and consequently exploded in the blogosphere. This incredibly brave man took a stand against that big corrupt cartel of human hating bedwetters squawking: 'Climate changie'!, 'climate changie'! 'Run, hide - find a hopy dopy give him your first born and have no more carbon emitters (babies) and you will be in the 2nd category - slave of the new world gument'.

The Alta saying 'Let them freeze in the dark' has been usurped by the drooling climate hopychangy warman group.

Great post, Kate.

Days before the flood (of damning fraud in the 'scientology of climatology') ron in kelowna said: 'the truth will out'. You heard it first here, at sda.

Thanks everyone for all the great input and links. We would have no news in Canada if it were not for sda. Lamestreamedia are irrelevant and detrimental to the Canadian people, IMO. They are the 'Bagdad Bobs of the Blogosphere' - and we are laughing AT them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzjlK1hpF6M

Thanks for posting this link ivebinnhad - to Lord Moncton's article. This article says it was a whistle-blower not a hack and the whistle-blower sent the information to the BBC and other media a MONTH before he sent it to the 'remote website' where it was picked up and consequently exploded in the blogosphere. This incredibly brave man took a stand against that big corrupt cartel of human hating bedwetters squawking: 'Climate changie'!, 'climate changie'! 'Run, hide - find a hopy dopy give him your first born and have no more carbon emitters (babies) and you will be in the 2nd category - slave of the new world gument'.

The Alta saying 'Let them freeze in the dark' has been usurped by the drooling climate hopychangy warman group.

Great post, Kate.

Days before the flood (of damning fraud in the 'scientology of climatology') ron in kelowna said: 'the truth will out'. You heard it first here, at sda.

Thanks everyone for all the great input and links. We would have no news in Canada if it were not for sda. Lamestreamedia are irrelevant and detrimental to the Canadian people, IMO. They are the 'Bagdad Bobs of the Blogosphere' - and we are laughing AT them.

I read this at 6AM this AM.

Now I can write that this was the bestest, and most deservingest, gloat ever.

Bravo Kate!

Take a read of Lizzie May's newest blog post! titled: And nowto discuss those hacked emails.
It includes these gems..'it's a media trap'..and,'an elaborate sting operation'
Is she talking about the whole GW scam??????????????

Well done Kate. Everybody visit the tip jar and donate to Kate, she's our mate.

Me too, Melinda!!

F Students at CBC? Remember, Mansbridge (allegedly) didn't even get his Gr. 12, if I remember correctly. Neither did another prominent CBC journalist (radio), Michael Can't-remember-his-last-name.

excellent Kate, just excellent

keep up the good work!!!!

Proud of you Kate! Great work and keep it coming.

Anyone concerned about Jim Prentice?

Since PMSH is out of town, has he gone rogue?

Has Prentice agreed to be the fallguy in a game of charades?

Or is Prentice just a nut that has come out of hiding, and makes a convenient 'throw him under the bus' type?

Just wondering, because he's definitely reading off the watermelon script.

Prentiss may believe it but Harper doesn't and won't let it pass - cross my fingers. Harper played out the clock on Kyoto and it looks like the same thing with Copenhagen. His line is we'll do it with the Yanks cap 'n trade bull - but I doubt he believes it himself - it's just for public consumption. By the time Obama gets his act together to pass it he'll have squandered his political capital on health care, bails out, Afghanistan etc.

The CBC basically confirmed it the other day (just checking in occasionally to keep an eye on the enemy…) Anyway they state with horror that nothing has been done policy wise in preparation with the great merge to the upcoming American bill. Read between the lines, field marshal Harper is playing an excellent rear guard action.

In the meantime the Europeans and the other starry eyed believers will have mired themselves. The advantage goes to the countries who skated past the swamp.

Sarah has put a stake in the ground for all the wannabe challengers for the presidency in 2012. She is going to lead this issue and she will reap all the benefits. Her stand on this is going to have the loony left going apocalyptic. Pointy heads will be popping but her standing in the polls is going to rocket up. Furthermore, her bold actions are going to clearly establish her as the person to beat.

While I can appreciate that PMSH is playing some version of hide the salami to avoid being tarred and feathered by the CBC, it irks me to no end that no political figure in Canada is standing up and calling bullshit.

Especially seeing the heroes of the day are 2 Canadians, now being vindicated.

NASA hiding climate data

The fight over global warming science is about to cross the Atlantic with a U.S. researcher poised to sue NASA, demanding release of the same kind of climate data that has landed a leading British center in hot water over charges it skewed its data.

Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said NASA has refused for two years to provide information under the Freedom of Information Act that would show how the agency has shaped its climate data and would explain why the agency has repeatedly had to correct its data going as far back as the 1930s.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/03/researcher-says-nasa-hiding-climate-data/

I think you'll all love this Carbon Credit joke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC5uV4wbcTQ

Heard on Dennis Miller's show earlier today.

Sent Today after being told by a Prentice staffer that there is no "harm" in reducing CO2 ... that it's no big deal, that reducing any pollutant is a good thing.

Mr. Prentice,

I am deeply disappointed that you continue to treat human caused global warming as an established fact, especially in light of the leaked CRU emails and data files.

What has become clear is that the foundational science on which rests the entire IPCC case is incredibly thin, manipulated, and laced with political intrigue. Furthermore, the scientists who actually contribute to the foundational work on which all the rest of the AGW structure sits, are few in number and exactly those individuals caught up in the CRU scandal.

It is impossible that any knowledgeable person could at this time state, with unequivocal certainty, that AGW is an established fact. Only those heavily invested in the belief either through professional work or profit motive would do so, while those who remain dispassionate are in ever greater numbers coming to the conclusion that AGW is merely a theory that rests on thin scientific evidence. Furthermore, taking your cue from a public whose main source of information is the main stream media, is to take your cue from those who are uninformed; you know full well on which side of this debate the MSM has invested itself.

Added to this is the fact that the key scientists within the IPCC have indulged in machinations where they have clearly subverted the peer review process, have fudged their data, and depended on a handful of incredibly poorly done works to justify gross manipulations of the global temperature record. And, even worse, is that the “peer reviewed” work they depend on has been “reviewed” by a very close-knit group of like-minded scientists.

Yet, we find you still professing that the basis on which the IPCC states it’s claims is solid and intact. I am stunned, and ashamed as a CPC member and supporter, that a minister within the CPC government could come to such a reckless opinion in light of the CRU leak. What we have learned in the past week is that the only marginally empirical proof that IPCC models may be correct, the global temperature record, is deeply flawed, manipulated, and a result of massive tinkering. In fact, with the CRU raw data destroyed and lost forever, it is now impossible to ever replicate the CRU work, making it scientifically invalid.

I ask therefore that the CPC government take a neutral position on Global Warming. There is no basis to declare AGW a matter of fact, that human caused CO2 emissions pose a grave threat to humankind. It is in fact irresponsible and dangerous for the CPC to rely on sceptical scientists, American conservatives, Australian liberals, and journalists to make the case for them. The least the CPC could do is take a neutral stand, declaring that since any consensus has clearly come about via manipulation and fudging of the data, that the Canada will take a wait and see position.

Conservatives demand leadership on this issue; not what you have offered. You are clearly playing both sides against the middle and relying on more courageous and honest forces to do your work. It’s time to end the charade. It’s time to get ahead of this issue, instead of having it lead you.

The best post I have read on the AGW hoax. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can beat this.

Definition
"let the genie out of the bottle"
to allow something bad or unwanted to happen which cannot then be stopped
Cambridge Dictionaries Online

Genie
Etymology and definitions
The word genie derives from Latin genius, which meant a sort of tutelary or guardian spirit thought to be assigned to each person at their birth. English borrowed the French descendent of this word, génie; its earliest written attestation in English, in 1655, is a plural spelled genyes. The French translators of The Book of One Thousand and One Nights used génie as a translation of jinnī because it was similar to the Arabic word in sound and in meaning. This use was also adopted in English and has since become dominant.
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Thank you Al Gore for inventing the internet for KATE!
Go Kate!

WHERE. is Global warming FatAL and Suzuker?

A quote from Ronald Reagan (RIP) is very appropriate here.

"Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders. ... The Goliath of totalitarianism will be brought down by the David of the microchip."

The Canadian government, NASA, the UN, 3/4 of the academic community, and the MSM "are doing sex to me."

Paul, absolutely brilliant letter!

I especially loved this line: "It is impossible that any knowledgeable person could at this time state, with unequivocal certainty, that AGW is an established fact."

You knocked this one of the park, Kate. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, you need to write more.

Meanwhile, a breakthrough of sorts in media coverage. On Calgary's local 6:00 CTV newscast, the full story has finally surfaced. Pretty fair coverage, except for the "nothing to see here" comments from a Halifax climate scientist to close the piece.

The irony of it all is Big Al Gore's climate cash cow is being taken down by the internet he invented. Thank God for the freedom to speak out

Peter O'Donnell at December 3, 2009 2:41 AM

Perhaps we only need 20% of the climatologists around.

The irony of it all is that Big Al Gore's climate cash cow is being taken down by people using the internet he "invented".

I've written my MP - David Anderson - and, as a supporter of the CPC demanded that our Prime Minister not go to Hopenhagen and lay our economy on the alter of Al Gore.

There WILL be political hell to pay if this happens - especially in Alberta and Saskatchewan. If PMSH's government has any hope of surviving - let alone thriving into a majority - he needs to know that cap-n'-trade is a complete non-starter.

Hey, Horny Toad at December 3, 2009 3:52 AM , don't you go asking Kate for marriage; I've already got the reqiuest in :-)

The temperature records for Wpg come from the JAR Airport. The Airport is undergoing a major expansion. This means more heat from buildings, concrete, trucks, tar-mack , air conditioners, idling planes, more planes, etc. This will artificially raise the recorded temperature of Wpg. I asked environment Canada, were they going to adjust the temperatures to account for the increased "heat island" effect. They said "No".
So here you have increased temperature readings being influenced by airport expansion, but with no doubt, will be blamed on global warming. Especially by Environment Canada.

I'd like to see a poll of the nation on how many people have heard about the leaked emails, and what their position is on AGW. I'm concerned that there is still going to be an east/west split... That will be Harper's Achille's Heal, IMO.

Or perhaps I should say Harper's Achille's 'HEEL'? (oops)

Great piece on Climate-Gate by Rex Murphy on the National tonight!

Kate to replace Andrew Coyne on "At issue"

vote here.

yes
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you bet

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ET -- This is a good analysis of Gore. I would add that I think he was recruited to be involved in this. Whoever recruited him wanted a recognizable name and someone they felt had public credibility. Gore had just lost the election and a lot of people were sympathetic towards him at that time.

Great article...and I'm finding so many new ones through your letters. I wrote the PM & Prentice to not sign anything and stick to his guns on what he said years ago. Also saw the report tonite on CTV but as with The Hour segment with Monbiat I found that making a joke, being snide and intellectually superior to us poor dumb slobs, they lost all credibility. I wrote that to the CTV and that the 27 million hits online plus hundreds of letters make them irrelevant unless they start reporting this very serious life altering issue seriously. Follow the money . Keep writing, people, we will be heard.

NormB at December 3, 2009 10:22 PM
[...Meanwhile, a breakthrough of sorts in media coverage. On Calgary's local 6:00 CTV newscast, the full story has finally surfaced. Pretty fair coverage, except for the "nothing to see here" comments from a Halifax climate scientist to close the piece.]
Just treacherous spin that I saw. The fool from Halifax was not the low point. That was the inclusion of a seconds long, obviously closely edited/cherry picked clip of McIntyre giving the impression that he felt that deniers were spinning it to their view point. McIntyre will be pi$$ed...I would.

Kate, the number of comments is at 315, that must be some sort of record, no?

Either way, your brilliant post was huge hit, and it deserved to be.

I think for all of us there's a great satisfaction in knowing that as readers of your blog we are enjoying a wild and exciting ride on the wave of change. That's half of what it makes it so darn interesting.

Makes me feel the same way I did went my Dad brought home the family's first computer, a Commodore 8032 PC, all those years ago, and he knew, and I knew, that we were at the leading edge of change. It was a hell of an exciting time, especially since the rest of world hadn't yet clued in, but we knew were things were going.

Sincere thanks.

Kate, one of the reasons the MSM doesn't cover stories like these right away is because you and many others against AGW theory aren't objective, but rather, partisan ideologues. You've put your feet in the sand and aren't willing to hear or believe anything but what you believe now. The majority aren't taking you seriously because you care more about being right in your original thought than the ultimate truth.

This story IS worthy of MSM coverage, and would likely have made it there earlier if it didn't come from the likes of people who make publicly racist comments about inner city children.

It's not so much that they're against reporting it, it's that you taint it with your lack of professionalism and excessive bias, making them afraid to go near it for fear of being associated with you.

Before folks criticize PMSH they should remember the outrage when Rona Ambrose bypassed the Global Warming Myth. Climategate has given us all the opportunity to talk to our circle of friends and hopefully get some of them to see how junk science has become the religion of the uninformed. The conservatives have played to the masses rather than get burned at the stake for green heresy. Like Moncton preaches, real science is all about truth, not belief.

Tim: "It's not so much that they're against reporting it, it's that you taint it with your lack of professionalism and excessive bias, making them afraid to go near it for fear of being associated with you."

Even if that ridiculous statement were true, how does this explain the WORLD WIDE lack of MSM coverage? Try again..

Oh Tim, foolish bleeding heart. We here who read Kate's blog are not trying to be right. We are right! and that truth requires vigilance and determination.

You see Tim, we are not in this issue to take over the economies of the world, we just don't want your ilk to take it over on the premise of saving the planet. It is not yours or anyones else's to take.

We are still a free people and we embrace the individualist system of capitalism to go along with our freedom.

A rock was overturned and the insects,snakes and worms are exposed. They don't like. But the truth is often ugly.

We will win this ... tax and trade isn't going to happen and Copenhagen will fail miserably.

It's over but for the upcoming prosecution.

Great summary, good comments. This is the future of news. Not just bloggers showing stories, but the interactivity of those reading, each adding their own expertise. Each looking at the basic information in a slightly different way and dissecting it down to its basics.

Dear Tim,

Since we're in the Christmas Season, let me christen you with posting THE STUPIDEST comment I've read in some time.

Earlier this week Dennis Miller said on his nationally syndicated radio show that assorted people who were AGW zealots (think "religious cult") would start mentally breaking down in all sorts of unforeseen ways.

You clearly seem to fit that bill to a "T", with logic pulled out from deep within your tuchus. But for the sake of argument, let me take you seriously for a moment and deconstruct what you wrote:

1. The MSM makes its decisions based on Kate McMillan and others like her.
2. Most people against AGW theory (AGW Skeptics) aren't objective BUT, by implication those supporting AGW theory (AGW Believers) are ... objective.
3. "Objective" in this context means "basing one's decisions on facts". Thus you're stating that AGW Believers have based their conclusions on facts.
4. AGW Skeptics are "partisan idealogues" but, by implication, AGW Believers are non-partisan free thinkers.
5. AGW Skeptics are the ones who have closed their minds, eyes, & ears. Such folks are the ones who aren't interested in seeing the facts and don't want to debate.
6. AGW Believers know "The Ultimate Truth".
7. Kate McMillan and other AGW Skeptics are racists.
8. Referring back to #1, the MSM would have covered this story much earlier except for #7.
9. AGW Skeptics are the ones who lack professionalism and have excessive bias.
10. AGW Believers and the MSM constantly exhibit a profound amount of professionalism and have very little bias.

Is that about right, Tim?

Could you kindly share with us the names of all teachers you've ever had? For each & every one of them should have their credentials thoroughly investigated.

Gee Tim, do you know the meaning of the word hypocrite? It's what we like to call Al Gore by the way. 99% of all liberals worldwide have put their feet in the sand and refused to believe that they were wrong. Even after the emails surfaced, none of them would admit how damning they were. They just brushed them off because they didn't believe it was possible they were wrong. Funny thing is, we were right to stick our feet in the sand. Do you know why? Because anyone who claims how dire a situation is, and actually believes it, doesn't solve it with a tax. It probably also had to do with the fact that Al Gore was the primary spokesperson for the entire scheme.


You know what else is funny? This is:
you care more about being right in your original thought than the ultimate truth.

tim, if she were right in her original thought, then the ultimate truth was her original thought, they were one and the same. Instead, it was the liberals, greens, and the MSM that cared more about being right than the ultimate truth. AND WE CAN PROVE IT!!!

But just for the record, it was the ultimate truth we cared about. You guys just couldn't see it. We continued to read, you guys just gave up and said "the science is settled!" Honest people like Watts and McIntyre and countless others have been slandered, derided, put down, accused of being in the pocket of "big oil", and more. Try having an honest discussion of the science. Go to slashdot and read one of the many threads on climate change there. Anyone who disagrees with "big science" is instantly accused of being funded by "big oil". Reference any of the studies that have shown something that doesn't fit the theory, and it's immediately discounted. Here are a few things I've heard in the debate: "I wouldn't believe anything he says, he manipulates the data ", "He cherry picks only data that supports his argument", "none of his work is peer-reviewed", "he's not a climate scientist, he's a weatherman" and more. Now it turns out that the exact opposite is in fact true, it was the scientists who were manipulating, cherry picking, manipulating the peer-review system, and accepting huge sums of money.

Al Gore, $200million richer!

Phil Jones, $22 million in grants in the last 20 years!

Who else?

Tim, uh-UH, no, you're flat out wrong. The reason the MSM took so long to report on the corruption exposed by Climategate is because so many within the media elite are gutless. They won't stick their necks out to distinguish themselves from the herd. They're pack animals.

So, tim, it's actually Kate McMillan's fault that the MSM have tried to bury this story! That's genius, that is.

BTW - is this the longest SDA thread ever?

Barbara P., did you notice that on CTV the Tiger Woods' scandal far outweighed, in terms of alloted time, the climategate coverage?

Dear Tim,
Since we're in the Christmas Season, let me christen you with posting THE STUPIDEST comment I've read in some time. ~ Robert W.

Either that or he's an insider at CBC; apparently trembling in their mukluks.

"Either that or he's an insider at CBC; apparently trembling in their mukluks.

Posted by: glasnost at December 4, 2009 5:22 AM

Unfortunately,glasnost,they are not trembling.They know our so called "conservative" gubermint hasn't the guts to shut them down,so they will just carry on as if normal.And we,the sheeple of Canukistan,don't have the balls to stand up to them.Can we say revolution???Yeah,right.

Goreacle Report: Ah don't believe these climate modellers with their 1" of snow.

Ah don't believe this:
"Since this area rarely experiences this type of weather,".
...-

"Forecasters issue winter weather advisory (South Louisiana)

BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - The National Weather Service in New Orleans has issued a winter weather advisory for portions of southeast Louisiana and extreme southern Mississippi, including the Capital area.

The advisory will be in effect from 6 p.m. Friday until 6 a.m. Saturday. A wintry mix of rain and snow is expected to develop across the Metro Baton Rouge area, the Florida parishes and southwest Mississippi by Friday evening.

Forecasters said the combination is expected to change to all snow early Friday night. They added the snow will continue through the early morning hours of Saturday before ending.

Up to an inch of snow is predicted for much of the area under the advisory. Locally higher accumulations up to 1.5 inches will be possible under the strongest snow bands, the advisory indicated.

Weather experts said the major concerns associated with this winter weather will be dangerous icing conditions, mainly on bridges and overpasses. Drivers are urged to slow down and allow extra time when travelling.

Since this area rarely experiences this type of weather, additional suggestions were offered for those who will be out in the elements during the hours of advisement."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400081/posts

I have a (admittedly thin) theory as to why CTV is blind on this issue. They could have been on top of this issue except for the fact that the organization is totally Toronto-centric. Management lives and breathes the Liberal Party's ethos (heh, yeh, I know...). They're symbiotic.
I'm guessing that marching orders were cut that implied 'don't embarrass the Liberals', I say implied because it would be well nigh impossible to work for an organization of that size without understanding the corporate objectives, and they don't include getting Harper a majority.
It's never been that difficult to cull the wild ducks from an organization...

The Goracle does NOT speak.

"The former vice president and Nobel Peace Prize winner had been scheduled to speak to more than 3,000 people at a Dec. 16 event hosted by the Berlingske Tidende newspaper group. The group says Gore canceled the lecture Thursday, citing unforeseen changes in his schedule."

And.......

"Just days ahead of an international climate change conference, global warming guru and former Vice President Al Gore has been hit by an inconvenient scandal -- one that's reverberated all the way back to Hollywood."

Great post 'Kate'.

Comment Post by tim at December 4, 2009 12:20 AM.
So 'Tim', all of 'Kates' posting proceeding this post with hockey stick graphs, pics of environmental temp reading monitors, links to scientist papers, government papers, news articles and so many more. I guess you must of missed all that!.

"As I have harped here for ages, just think GORE and RICO. I hope I hear it often, Gore and the Rico Act has a nice sound to it. "

I've said the same about "congress" and RICO for years, despite my dislike of RICO as a concept.

"Kate, one of the reasons the MSM doesn't cover stories like these right away is because you and many others against AGW theory aren't objective, but rather, partisan ideologues. You've put your feet in the sand and aren't willing to hear or believe anything but what you believe now" - Tim

"The ironing is delicious!" - Bart

I'm a bit late commenting on this, but here goes....

"As you might expect, CBC News editors are faced daily with choosing - from among the thousands available in Canada and around the world - the few dozen stories that they feel are the most significant and will be of the greatest interest to Canadians. It is a decision made all the more difficult by the limited resources and time available in our news programs and our Internet pages. Of course, we cannot include all, or even many, of the stories taking place around the country and the world, but thank you for drawing this one to our attention. We will continue to follow it."

I suppose that must be the same reason CBC didn't bother reporting the events of 9/11 on the radio until several hours after the towers had fallen - not necessarily news when planes fly into buildings killing thousands. Why then should a concerted and fraudulent effort to destroy the (western) world's economy, lifestyles, and liberties be newsworthy - unless propogated by the vast right wing conspiracy machine?

Kate is "unprofessional"? No shit, Sherlock. She is a very gifted amateur and thank God for that. If she was a professional journalist, she would be boring us to death with news about Tiger Woods and how Obama and Gore are "saving the planet" from the evils of capitalism.

Tim, who has not yet been chastised enough, said: "...you and many others against AGW theory aren't objective, but rather, partisan ideologues..."

Sure Tim. Except that Kate doesn't post hollow propaganda and ideological tracts. She's been posting pictures of the NOAA thermometer sited over the asphalt driveway next to an A/C vent and a barbecue. For years. She does not "believe" there is no global warming, she's been -proving- there's no global warming. Get the distinction?

For myself, I find FUNCTIONALITY to be first and foremost in my considerations of science and evidence. One bad weather station is just sloppy. 10% of weather stations being bad is massive incompetence. More than 10% is enemy action, Tim. Look up and see how many stations in the USA don't meet minimum NASA standards, it'll shock you I bet.

Objectively Tim, AGW is bullroar.

You're going to wake up one day soon and the evidence will be inescapable. Guys who are caught red handed are going to spill their guts and admit the fraud, the data laundering, the fabrications, the -theft of research money-, all of it. You and your fellow climate Koolaid snorters will be confronted with these inconvenient truths, and realize that WE, not you, were right all along. And that we've been pretty reasonable about the whole thing too.

I mean, when was the last time a Conservative firebombed a crooked climate researcher's house, or jumped them in the street? Busted up their office? Compare and contrast with the activities of your fellow greenies, your tree and bunny hugger fellow travelers who ransack labs, burn homes, blow up fish and chip shops (because meat is murder you know) and et bloody cetera.

I await your enlightenment with a considerable sense of satisfaction. It is going to hurt, monkey boy. You are going to be seriously ashamed of yourself. Really, really soon.

/.rant/.

There, that's my swing of the cluebat for today friends. Everybody here except for the trolls, your all ROCK. F-in' A.

BTW - Kate - I saw your post (this base post) printed in the editorial section of the Toronto Sun today, in Bowmanville, ON.

Ive noticed weather channel founder John Coleman has written an article on pajamas media about Climategate. Dr Coleman(whom Ive personally met) beleives we need old media coverage to get this story out. Ive suggested several names in the meteorology business to put pressure on. Start with the likes of former head of the National Hurricane Center, Dr Max Mayfield. Ive also suggested retired U/Chicago professor Theodore "ted" Fujita, the man whom the Fujita scale for measuring tornado intensity is named for. Also noted Colorado State professor William Gray, the hurricane forecaster who I beleive is already an AGW skeptic. Also at Colorado st(maybe U Colorado, IM not totally sure) professor Dr Josh Wurman, one of the countries leading tornado researchers. Men like these men should be enlisted in this effort. Or they should be exposed as part of the problem if they dont want to debate the topic.

I suspect the MSM is just now recovering from the shot to the noggin from an errant ball off of Tiger's #1 wood. I'm sure they'll get on topic shortly.

Dan

I suspect the MSM is just now recovering from the shot to the noggin they received from an errant ball off of Tiger's #1 wood. It's possible they'll get on track shortly.

Dan