SDA gets results!
The U.K.'s University of East Anglia says the director of its Climatic Research Unit is stepping down pending an investigation into allegations stemming from the publication of hacked emails.
Phil Jones, the director of the global research centre on climate change, announced that he will stand aside until an independent review determines whether he overstated the case for man-made climate change.
The university said Peter Liss will become acting director of the climate research unit.
As I noted yesterday, this comes on the heels of an announced Penn State investigation into Michael "hockey stick" Mann.
Via John, who found it accidentally buried in the CBC Technology & Science headlines, where few will find it to comment. But we'll help them out with that.
Over a week ago I wrote;
"But this event is less bombshell than it is bottle genie. No matter what efforts are undertaken by a protective media to bury this scandal, no matter how badly the warmist industry tries to spin it away, the CRU data release is now part of the permanent climate debate, and it ain't ever going away."
The number of those voicing doubts is growing exponentially - a graduate student at MIIT Tech, this lengthy article in Reason.
More here from a "working scientist" - "I don't see how these messages can be interpreted in any other way as an attempt to break the law, and I don't see how they can be defended:"
(In related news....)
Posted by Kate at December 1, 2009 3:03 PMbut but but but...!!! It was just some private correspondence! They said it was nothing! It was all taken out of context! Why would he have to step down? Why are they investigating? I thought there was nothing to see here??!!?
Posted by: pete at December 1, 2009 3:21 PMThey are still calling them "hacked" documents and e-mails yet we have only the word of Phil Jones that this information was hacked.
They are Whistleblowers, not hackers, we are Normalists, not deniers, and the coverup of the Climate Change hoax is unraveling like a cheap sweater.
Posted by: Oz at December 1, 2009 3:27 PMNote how grudging the CBC is in even having to report this, such that they feel obliged to end the article with this sneering quote from an AGW spokesman:
"Earlier Tuesday, Nicholas Stern, a British economist who wrote a U.K. government report on climate change, said the hackers who published the emails had muddled the debate at a critical moment."
So, once again, it's all the hackers' fault for "muddling" the debate, as if the emails and computer code generated at the CRU weren't muddled enough as it was. Not to mention the fact that it seems unlikely that the emails were "hacked" at all.
Posted by: Dennis at December 1, 2009 3:29 PMIt will be v-e-r-y interesting to find out how the documents made it to the general public. I suspect a leak from a CRU employee with a modicum of ethics.
If the CBC thought this was remotely important, it would be on The National. That it is buried speaks loudly. It's just another Bob-McDonald-ism -- hurry along folks, nothing to see here. Don't question the "settled science."
Posted by: Mark Peters at December 1, 2009 3:31 PMThe Globe is still running silent of this issue. I see a dinosaur in their future.
Posted by: Jake at December 1, 2009 3:31 PMMaybe the CBC will change its tune if the name of the "hacker" is Colvin?
Posted by: andycanuck at December 1, 2009 3:37 PMIf you want to sign a related petition, there's http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/royal-commission-to-determine-extent-of-global-warming.html.
Posted by: Rocky at December 1, 2009 3:39 PMI'm confused...the "hack" meme doesn't quit. But is it really that hard to confirm this type of security breach? Confirming this to be the work of a whistle-blower would take even more wind out of the sails of the reluctant mainstream media types who are grasping for any angle to mitigate their embarrassment.
Posted by: Dr. Strangelove at December 1, 2009 3:42 PMFrom the very beginning I have been thinking that what needs to and will happen is that someone will be either charged for fraud or sued for damages (or both). Once that happens then supoenas will be issued for even more emails from other researchers. And they had better not have deleted any incriminating ones as they may be subject to charges of obstruction.
My guess is that a lot of these guys will now lawyer up if they haven't already. I also think it is highly unlikely that the Hadley crowd were the only ones fudging the numbers and violating RICO by pressuring peers to go along.
This will be a years-long process and the AGW lobby will be in ruins along with many if it's aiders and abettors.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at December 1, 2009 3:43 PMJust sent this not to the pmo:
Dear Prime Minister Harper,
I firmly believe that AGW, is bunk. It's a scam tolerated by leftist governments who discovered a bonanza of opportunities to introduce new taxes. The release of the East Anglia CRU emails strengthens that conviction.
The minority that thinks as I do is growing every day. You know this; the polls show it.
Regardless of what you or I believe about AGW, the Copenhagen conference represents a clear political risk to Canada. Even given the fact that the terrible Copenhagen treaty is now likely to be abandoned, the conference represents a clear attack on the sovereignty of independent nations and it can surely bode no good for Canada - which is susceptible to political pressure because of our hated and oft-vilified tar sands development.
I urge you as a taxpayer to speak up on our behalf, and to take no part in courting the easy but ultimately useless approbations of the politicos there. We have nothing to gain by agreeing to arbitrary carbon targets, and much to lose if we pledge to spend our resources in trying to fix an imaginary problem by sending money to countries that don't care about it.
Nothing would make me, (and a lot of folks in Alberta and Saskatchewan), happier than if you were to say "I think this is bullshit", and walk out. I admit that probably would be considered bad form, but it would at least make for entertaining news.
What I can promise is that if our government caves to the political pressure at Copenhagen, I will be in the first ranks of conservatives who will be striving to change our representation.
Please fight for us. Hang on to our sovereignty and hang on to our tax dollars. We need them.
Yours truly,
Chris Ivey
Always through those evil "skeptics" point of view.
Skeptics say.....
God forbid they'd actually delve into the emails to show what they actually say, which of course would be exactly what the "skeptics" say they say.
He's stepped down so they can whitewash a finding of "Nothing to see here folks." It will be just like the investigation into Dr. Wang's transgressions. The peer review process (and lets not pretend it will be anything different) will support Dr. Jones again.
These universities need the funding. They will not admit to any mistakes or improprieties on their parts. Remember, these folks have tenure. They can do no wrong.
Well I looked at the CBC page and would have commented except that I would have had to register and I wouldn't want to give them that satisfaction.
But, one of the posters did say that for the best coverage.. see SDA.. Great job Kate. Unfortunately this won't cause an avalanche of new readers - I think CBC only has 2 or 3 left.
Posted by: James at December 1, 2009 3:46 PMgood line from the MIT article: "In a carbon-constrained world, artificial scarcity of a government apportioned commodity will cause some industrial processes in certain areas to be unprofitable, while processes which pollute even more remain profitable in other areas of the world"
That's the bottom of it.
Posted by: hardboiled at December 1, 2009 3:55 PMDon't count on the "investigations" coming to much of a conclusion. The best you can hope for is they find a way to quietly exit.
My expectation is more along the lines of, this isnt terribly serious, the individuals have been suitably chastened and they will work and play better with others in the future.
Posted by: Stephen at December 1, 2009 3:56 PMThe Noble Sacrifice!
I will step aside, take a vacation and when I am cleared by my Peers will be right back at it.
Token gestures to lend credibility to the process really will not suffice here.
Posted by: Illiquid Assets at December 1, 2009 3:58 PMIf up till now I felt at all apprehensive whether or not we're winning this thing, those doubts have been purged by this contemptibly absurd Guardian article written by George Monbiot:
Canada's image lies in tatters. It is now to climate what Japan is to whaling
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/30/canada-tar-sands-copenhagen-climate-deal
From the comments...a glimpse into the deranged minds of the global warmingistas:
"Canada should be driven out of the Commonwealth, out of NATO, out of the UN, out of the G20. No country should recognise Canadian passports. They should be told to leave Afghanistan. And they should never have have been allowed to take part in WW II ! Some of us are trying to make the world a better and more tolerant place, but these people, with their tar and sand and seals are doing something dreadful to the Indians and giving us all CO2 gas into the bargain."
Did I mention they want to bomb us too?...heh
Posted by: wingwalker at December 1, 2009 4:00 PM"Canada's image lies in tatters."
I guess we'll all have to put American flags on our back packs.
Posted by: Ghost of Ed at December 1, 2009 4:08 PMThats ok.....we can just refuse to buy British debt when the inevitable crunch comes soon.
Poor old george wont know wtf happened to his country when it slides into bankruptcy.
Posted by: Stephen at December 1, 2009 4:10 PMCanadian news aggregators sinking below the waves.
That's all they have.
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National Newswatch:"Major sea level rise likely as Antarctic ice melts"
Bourque:"MAJOR SEA LEVEL RISE AS ANTARCTIC MELTS(sic".
Posted by: maz2 at December 1, 2009 4:10 PMBest comment from WUWT . . .
"So Penn State will investigate Penn State professor Michael Mann, and UEA will investigate UEA-CRU director Phil Jones.
In related news the Obama administration will investigate president Obama, police have announced that all murder investigations will be turned over to criminal gangs, and black pots will investigate black kettles."
Wingwalker, part of what frustrates me is that Canada's environmental record in areas that do matter, and that do have a strong scientific foundation, is rather poor at best.
Which is a shame because if we had more credibility it would be easier for Harper to tell the AGW one-world types to go to hell.
Don't get me wrong. I think the whole global warming thing is a giant farce, with a large collection of deranged minds in tow. And I hope Harper has the guts to stand up for Canada.
"Canada should be driven out of the Commonwealth, out of NATO, out of the UN, out of the G20."
~Monbiot
That wouldn't be a bad thing to be out of those.
"The immediate threat to the global effort to sustain a peaceful and stable world comes not from Saudi Arabia or Iran or China. It comes from Canada. How could that be true?"
~Monbiot
I hope it is true Mr. Monbiot.
I really hope that light bulb legislation that Harper dumped on us isn't a portent of evil.
Thanks, wingwalker.
Posted by: Oz at December 1, 2009 4:15 PMMaz2, even Drudge has been slow to catch on to the significance of this story.
It's a bit surreal.
Posted by: TJ at December 1, 2009 4:18 PMLord Monckton takes off the gloves.. calls for criminal charges.
http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/too-late-for-resignations-in-climategate-as-requests-for-charages-are-being-filed/
Posted by: James at December 1, 2009 4:29 PMDear Prime Minister Harper,
"I firmly believe that AGW, is bunk." etc.etc.etc,
Posted by: Chris Ivey at December 1, 2009 3:45 PM
Well said Chris Ivey!
Might I suggest you email copies of your Harper letter to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Neil Cavuto, Bill O'Reilly at FOX Network in the USA, because the Globe&Mail, CTV, CBC, CanWest Global, Canadian Press all have been complicit in the Kyoto, "Mann-made" Hockey Stick Global Warming, Al Gore, David Suzuki Kool-aid for years now.
Canadians will not get truthful coverage of this massive academic hoax from that lot.
EVER!
""The immediate threat to the global effort to sustain a peaceful and stable world comes not from Saudi Arabia or Iran or China. It comes from Canada. How could that be true?""
The label "Moonbat" seems well earned in the case of Mr.Monbiot.
Yesterday he blamed America, today it is Canada. Who knows, maybe tomorrow he'll blame the Climate Criminals for screwing up Hopenchangen.
Or maybe he'll blame himself for years of cheer leading for the Climate Criminals.
Mirrors are not expensive Mr. Moonbat.
Hades has frozen solid and they are playing pickup hockey on the River Styx. "Hell is other people." John-Paul Sartre 1905 - 80. I'm sure this is Phil Jones opinion of hackers. Cheers.
Posted by: fernstalbert at December 1, 2009 4:42 PM
Agreed Oz, we can only hope to aspire to be all of those things.
I'll do my part. I can't find a seal to club, but I think I can commit to water-boarding my birds Lil'Pecker and Reggie Bush with a Super-Soaker tonight, just for the h3ll of it. I'll stop torturing these birds when you greenies stop torturing my with your nonsense; or, when the birds shut-up.
I have been having fun with the warmies on various threads with the following poser: "Please provide a reference to a peer reviewed paper which shows that the present warming is unprecedented that is not based on the work of Mann, Briffa, Jones, or any other bad actor in climategate."
Without the cabal of climate chicanery, "unprecedented warming" goes away.
Posted by: tim in vermont at December 1, 2009 4:51 PMI just talked to the CEO of Polar Bear International, and he informed me if
Cap-n-Trade is not instituted soon Canada's polar bears will have to go on welfare and at the price of baby seal meat at all time highs, they will be forced to eat Eskimos! Not a happy picture eh.
Like somebody said somewhere, if warming is a hoax, these guys should be humiliated, if it is real, they should be shot.
Posted by: tim in vermont at December 1, 2009 4:56 PMOnce again, the CBC's customers get a "WTF just happened?" surprise.
"The MSM -- for people who like to get their news late. Or not at all."
Posted by: Patrick Armstrong at December 1, 2009 4:57 PMMy comments at CBC keep getting rejected. (an error occured while processing this directive)
The good folks there may have smalldeadanimals.com in the filter now.
Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at December 1, 2009 5:00 PMSo here I am, watching the astonishing spectacle of a beautiful, cultured nation turning itself into a corrupt petro-state. Canada is slipping down the development ladder, retreating from a complex, diverse economy towards dependence on a single primary resource, which happens to be the dirtiest commodity known to man. The price of this transition is the brutalisation of the country, and a government campaign against multilateralism as savage as any waged by George Bush.
Where do I sign up?
Posted by: tim in vermont at December 1, 2009 5:02 PMWente just put up a peice on climate gate. It is a half hearted piece that has 'grudgingly' printed all over it.
One can only imagine the kind of pressure that has been building to force the Globe and the CBC to admit that their favorite fraud is falling apart before their very eyes.
Watch for the next big scam ... probably something around water supply.
These warmist lefties must be collectively (how else?) throwing a temperature tantrum. right about now.
Posted by: Abe Froman at December 1, 2009 5:06 PMIn-house investigations are a joke. The investigating committee will never allow harm to come to their institutions because a black mark would equal less funding. Only an independent inquiry including a few prominent skeptics and public access to all data will uncover problems. The lawsuit by CEI will turn up far better results.
Posted by: LC Bennett at December 1, 2009 5:06 PM"Who wants to give up their 4,500 square foot house and 3 car garage? Are you nuts? We need our 3rd car and our 5 bedrooms for the three of us."/
~FarLeft@CBC Posted 2009/12/01 4:49 PM ET
Answer:
Not David Suzuki or Al Gore, that's for sure.
""Well I looked at the CBC page and would have commented except that I would have had to register and I wouldn't want to give them that satisfaction.
~James
Me neither.
Posted by: Oz at December 1, 2009 5:07 PMQuote from above
"....which happens to be the dirtiest commodity known to man."
Good. Then it should be burned - in our cars, trucks and furnaces.
Climate Progress vs. WUWT...
...snip, snip.......exclude any data recorded since Nov. 17th....................snip, snip,..............hide the decline.
Posted by: ken bc at December 1, 2009 5:11 PMWhile university investigations at East Anglia and Pittsburg stand the risk of a whitewash, Lord Monckton and one of his science associates are calling on the head of the FOI office in Britain to probe the CRU leak. In addition, they have asked East Anglia police for a criminal investigation into possible fraud because of millions in taxpayers dollars spent on the entire scam. A whitewash there will not be as easy. Lord Monckton is too tenacious.
Posted by: Ghost of Ed at December 1, 2009 5:19 PMMainstream meeja motto: Hide the Hiding of the Decline ...
Posted by: egg at December 1, 2009 5:26 PMWhat happened at LGF...the Charles guy has his fan club over there...never ending fellatio of everything he says....
Little Green Echo Chamber
Posted by: Atlas is Shrugging at December 1, 2009 5:28 PMAssPress reports: MSM is now running with 'Climate gate'.
"A group of scientists who run the RealClimate Web site — including Gavin Schmidt at the NASA space agency and Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University — have now begun posting links to their data sources online in the stated interest of making the science “as open and transparent as possible.”"
"'Climate gate' scientist to temporarily step down"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2009/12/01/11998301-ap.html
"The university said Peter Liss will become acting director of the climate research unit."
Time will tell if he should be spelling his name Peter Less.
Posted by: Mystery Meat at December 1, 2009 5:59 PMI agree that this East Anglia investigation will be no better than the misdirection exercise that Wang got in Albany.
I think the path of lawsuits and criminal investigation is the way to go.
Any way we can get a complaint started on these clowns?
Posted by: OMMAG at December 1, 2009 6:08 PM"A group of scientists who run the RealClimate Web site — including Gavin Schmidt at the NASA space agency and Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University — have now begun posting links to their data sources online in the stated interest of making the science “as open and transparent as possible.”"
That means the heat is ON. Threats of cuts to funding have been made then, behind the scenes. Not wanting to be public about it, either. "we'll let you back when you've been cleared. Fix it".
The code hunters should be busy for a while and we will see what they make of the data. I wonder where "Harry_read_me" is?
Posted by: jt at December 1, 2009 6:12 PMFor what it's woth (hah hah, my latest communication with CBC's Ombudsman
"Don't you think your (tiny) audience will be a bit surprised at this story?
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/12/01/tech-climate-east-anglia.html
Don't you think that your "journalistic ethics" ought to have prepared them for it?
"The CBC -- for people who like to get their news late. Or not at all."
Posted by: Patrick Armstrong at December 1, 2009 6:15 PMA spelling mistake (or two) there. But I'm sure you tinfoil hat denialists will get my point.
PS I'm still awaiting the cheque from BIG OIL.
Here's a site to give you all a good laugh
http://www.desmogblog.com/
Thank goodness the story has hit the MSM. I don't get Fox on my cable, so I've been sitting in my F150, listening to Glenn Beck, on satellite radio. It's getting cold, so I've had to leave the motor running.
Posted by: dp at December 1, 2009 6:21 PMHopefully , sooner or later , some of these frauds are going to have to find a place to rent instead of making fortunes rent seeking .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at December 1, 2009 6:23 PMYou had me for a while, Kate, but when I see that you link to "a working scientist" who has been affiliated with pharmaceutical companies, well, I'm sorry, but that just destroys your whole thesis. /sarc
Posted by: Louise at December 1, 2009 6:28 PMWrite to your MPs and to PM Harper.
This whole thing may be a lot of fun, but we don't want our own dear country to sign up to anything in Copenhagen
Just watch this very powerful piece of propaganda; send it to your friends and enemies.
Why should the devil have all the good songs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hftsk4gWqI
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091201/ap_on_sc/eu_britain_climate_hacked_e_mails
Posted by: jcl at December 1, 2009 7:36 PMI just stumbled onto a very useful link thanks to fellow Blogging Tory "Sort of Political" to Popular Technology.net where they have compiled a list of 450 peer-reviewed papers supporting skeptism of AGW! If the warmists want to keep talking peer-reviewed papers, let's point them here:
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
Caroline
Posted by: Caroline at December 1, 2009 7:37 PMThe National:
"A terrible accident last week has resulted in the deaths of the entire staff of the CBC Climate Change Unit consisting of 8 executives, one reporter, and 2 intern liasons. They were all found in the area of the Temporary Climate Data Units (Dumpsters)and had all fallen on swordlike objects. Their offices had been vacant for almost a week, but other staff just assumed they had left early for Copenhagen. Investigators are speculating that they were practicing for their part in the Winter Solstice Festival when some sort of misadventure overtook them. A mass Green funeral is planned and will be announced shortly."
Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at December 1, 2009 7:43 PMEveryone should read the link James provided to Lord Moncton. He has stated that it was a whistle blower , not a hacker (he would know since he was on the Science board in GB); I also read about the whistleblower posted as a link here at sda.
Now the elephant in the room, here in Canada, is 'where is our whistleblower?' We have whistleblower legislation, just like GB, and our PM will certainly follow up on any whistleblower in this nation, who has any moral decency.
Posted by: Jema54 at December 1, 2009 7:44 PMUnabomber (Theodore Kaczynski) + Maurice Strong = AGW fraud.
The Ted & Mo* Show.
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>>> "I’m wondering how long it’s going to take people to recognize that Ted Kacinski is the patron saint of what is happening now on the “green” front:"
...-
"64. Voltimand:
As in the case of the Unabomber and his “manifesto,” so here: at bottom, the “eco-crime” is the existence of human beings exploiting non-human nature.
I’m wondering how long it’s going to take people to recognize that Ted Kacinski is the patron saint of what is happening now on the “green” front: human beings are evil because their existence disturbs the tranquil balances of the the “natural” (read: non-human) world. Human beings who employ (read: exploit) the resources of the natural world commit eco-crimes. And we all know what should be done with criminals who kill.
The only thing I would require in implementing the obvious program which these “eco-crimes” mongers are peddling is that when the guillotine begins to fall, these scientists be the first to mount the scaffold.
From where I sit, the real issue here is not the environment at all–that is a massive con. The real issue is human hatred of human beings.
We need to “cut to the chase” and get rid of of the whole enviro-scam–it is merely a bait-and-switch diversion. Environmentalists don’t want a living natural world. What they want are dead human beings.
Sounds unlikely and exaggerated? Re-read Wretchard’s essay one more time."
http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/12/01/the-fifth-commandment/#comments
(*Mo: Hi. Moi is Canada's "Liberal leader" Bob Rae's Uncle Mo. Gleetings flom Beijing, China.)
Vanderleun from Tim Blair: "The Newspaper of Rectum".
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"New York Slimes: "1881: This past Winter, both inside and outside the Arctic circle, appears to have been unusually mild. The ice is very light and rapidly melting …"
(Reducing the NYT's carbon footprint. Polar bear dining on redundant AGW journalists)
"The motto of the Times should be "Hello again suckers!"
Today Tim Blair pulls up over a century of melting doom at "The Newspaper of Rectum" with ETERNAL MELTING
• 1881: “This past Winter, both inside and outside the Arctic circle, appears to have been unusually mild. The ice is very light and rapidly melting …”
• 1932: “NEXT GREAT DELUGE FORECAST BY SCIENCE; Melting Polar Ice Caps to Raise the Level of Seas and Flood the Continents”
• 1934: “New Evidence Supports Geology’s View That the Arctic Is Growing Warmer”
• 1937: “Continued warm weather at the Pole, melting snow and ice.”
• 1954: “The particular point of inquiry concerns whether the ice is melting at such a rate as to imperil low-lying coastal areas through raising the level of the sea in the near future.”
• 1957: “U.S. Arctic Station Melting”
• 1958: “At present, the Arctic ice pack is melting away fast. Some estimates say that it is 40 per cent thinner and 12 per cent smaller than it was fifteen years [ago].”
• 1959: “Will the Arctic Ocean soon be free of ice?”
• 1971: “STUDY SAYS MAN ALTERS CLIMATE; U.N. Report Links Melting of Polar Ice to His Activities”
• 1979: “A puzzling haze over the Arctic ice packs has been identified as a byproduct of air pollution, a finding that may support predictions of a disastrous melting of the earth’s ice caps.”
• 1982: “Because of global heating attributed to an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide from fuel burning, about 20,000 cubic miles of polar ice has melted in the past 40 years, apparently contributing to a rise in sea levels …”
• 1999: “Evidence continues to accumulate that the frozen world of the Arctic and sub-Arctic is thawing.”
• 2000: “The North Pole is melting. The thick ice that has for ages covered the Arctic Ocean at the pole has turned to water, recent visitors there reported yesterday.”
• 2002: “The melting of Greenland glaciers and Arctic Ocean sea ice this past summer reached levels not seen in decades, scientists reported today.”
• 2004: “There is an awful lot of Arctic and glacial ice melting.”
• 2005: “Another melancholy gathering of climate scientists presented evidence this month that the Antarctic ice shelf is melting - a prospect difficult to imagine a decade ago.”
It pleases me to no end that layoffs in the hundreds continue at the New York Times newsroom. No other staff of "pros" deserves it more."
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/enemies_foreign_domestic/new_york_slimes_1881_this.php
Posted by: maz2 at December 1, 2009 8:48 PMmaz2
Great find. I'm sending those headlines to my friends.
If the warming advocates were real scientists they
wouldn't have resorted to vulgar slanders, such as
the use of the mindless insult "denier" for anyone
who expresses the slightest doubt about the Party
Line. If there were real science there instead of
bad statistics, it could be shouted to the rooftops.
Trust me, if I had a climate model which could
show skill ten years into the future you'd know about it!
What might be a good idea is to set various models
running, with results in some public forum, where
anyone and all could compare with the actual
climate.
After all, weather channels and web pages do that,
more or less. They give current and predicted
weather, and one easily keep track of their
predictions from day to day.
"Australia's global warming bill defeated
SYDNEY (AP) — Australia's Senate has rejected legislation to set up an emissions trading system in the country to reduce greenhouse gas pollution.
The Senate voted Tuesday to defeat a bill that is the centerpiece of the government's plans to slash Australia's emissions by up to 25 percent below 2000 levels by 2020 as part of global efforts to fight global warming.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd wanted the legislation passed before he attends next week's U.N. summit on climate change in Copenhagen so he could portray Australia as a leader on the issue.
The government's next step is unclear. Rudd could use the failure of the bill to call early elections, but is unlikely to do so before next year, when elections are due anyway.
(Excerpt) Read more at fox11az.com ..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2398055/posts
what appears to be over looked in this whole affair is that the politicians have been negligent in their duty to govern prudently, they have bought into this scam through ignorance, or for the tax to be generated by this hoax, either way, that is not what they were voted in for. Their dependence on "advisers" is NO excuse, as they choose their advisers. We need to now find a way to make these public servants more accountable to the electorate, and not just the noisy special interest groups.
Posted by: GYM at December 1, 2009 10:12 PMThe Gores and Suzukers are in full tilt CYA mode, Suzuker is hiding, but he shouldn't, he might just get house arrest, and his biggest problem would be to pick which of his many houses to be JAILED in. Like that term Dave, it's yours! For the record you two of the biggest moronic Globull warming charlatans the world has ever seen should remember. Albertas oil companies are cleaning up one of Gods greatest oil spills here in the oilsands, keeping any more of this oil from flowing into the river systems surrounding it. You stupid fools don't give us any credit, Jail all of you fraud artists now before you completly break the western world. I'll offer you 10,000 for your seaside mansion Dave, and 15,000 for yours FatAl, sea levels are a risin don't you know!
Posted by: bartinsky at December 1, 2009 10:12 PMwingwalker quoted Guardian poster: "Canada should be driven out of the Commonwealth, out of NATO, out of the UN, out of the G20. No country should recognise Canadian passports. They should be told to leave Afghanistan. And they should never have have been allowed to take part in WW II ! Some of us are trying to make the world a better and more tolerant place, but these people, with their tar and sand and seals are doing something dreadful to the Indians and giving us all CO2 gas into the bargain."
That's GOTTA be flaming satire! ROFLOL!
Kate,
You should probably take this down. Bob MacDonald of Quirks and Quarks has assured us that Climategate is just a bunch of exaggerated hooey driven by a few deniers.
Nothing to here.
Posted by: Bart F. at December 1, 2009 10:55 PMIsn't there an old movie line: "OK citizens, go back to your lives"? All of that weird science about the climate was making everyone cranky and depressed.
Posted by: SamHenry at December 1, 2009 11:52 PMbartinsky 10:12. If only it would end this way. Fraud artists need jail time.
Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at December 2, 2009 12:15 AMAnother MSM siting...well, kind of.....
ON BNN, Nigel Lawson was stating his case, rather professionally and, in that 'prahpah' British way of presenting his case.....
Just think, he gets to put up with that ditchpig Dizzy Lizzy in a debate.....eek, what a boor she is!
Posted by: DanBC at December 2, 2009 12:42 AMNow that the data is in the public domain where it should be, I have a question.
If the data proves unreliable and we set aside all the published literature corrupted by it, is the science still settled?
Posted by: Kelly at December 2, 2009 12:43 AM"That's GOTTA be flaming satire! ROFLOL!"
Posted by: chutzpahticular at December 1, 2009 10:41 PM
I honestly wondered about that myself. But when you take it in context with the hundreds of other comments there slagging Canada (assumingly predominantly Brit), it seemed to fit the mould and encapsulated the sentiments of so many others' that I couldn't convince myself it was sarcasm. Hence, I pointed it out...
Posted by: wingwalker at December 2, 2009 1:50 AMwingwalker wrote: "I honestly wondered about that myself. But when you take it in context with the hundreds of other comments there slagging Canada (assumingly predominantly Brit), it seemed to fit the mould and encapsulated the sentiments of so many others' that I couldn't convince myself it was sarcasm. Hence, I pointed it out..."
If that was 'serious' the poster in question is a nutcase.
When do we get to read the equivalent email and documents of climate change at the Suzuki Foundation? Where is a good hacker when you need one?
Posted by: Hank at December 2, 2009 9:58 AMWell, it ain't dead yet, just came from Wash. Post, USNews, Telegraph and a couple of other places and the AGW Supporters are out, they are in the minority, but they are still out spinning this as hackers stole the emails and the damage is really minimum.
Kindof reminds me of the Titanic w/a Full Steam Ahead.
My main concern is will Obama and Team Liberal stay the course on the LIE so they can march thru their proposed legislation to Transfer the Wealth from rich white folks to poor minority Democrat constituents.
If Obama does, look for Civil War II at a town near you.
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"This is [Gaia's] sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder*."
"Huffington Post Suffers ClimateGate Panic Attack
Your humble correspondent has been checking the Huffington Post Green section every day since the ClimateGate scandal exploded. After all, that Green section is pretty much predicated on the theory that the earth is warming dangerously and that Man is the cause of it. At first, the Green section had a few relatively minor stories attempting to dispute the revelations of the ClimateGate scandal. However, today the Huffington Post went into a complete panic mode on this topic. Bigtime.
The Green section now features a huge story at the top of the page by Katherine Goldstein which features a slideshow supposedly exposing "The 7 Biggest Lies About the 'Global Warming Hoax'." However, even many of their own readers aren't buying the lame excuses presented as you will see here.
So let us now join the Huffington Post Green section as irritation is expressed over the term "ClimateGate" as they wish it to be replaced by "SwiftHack":
(Excerpt) Read more at newsbusters.org"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2398572/posts
Gaia is a narcissist:
"*(H/T) The "small people", the "rank and file", the "loyal soldiers" of the narcissist - his flock, his nation, his employees - they pay the price. The disillusionment and disenchantment are agonizing. The process of reconstruction, of rising from the ashes, of overcoming the trauma of having been deceived, exploited and manipulated - is drawn-out. It is difficult to trust again, to have faith, to love, to be led, to collaborate. Feelings of shame and guilt engulf the erstwhile followers of the narcissist. This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections
Global Warming - it's anything you want it to be!
Great work Kate. Hopefully this will result in some arrests an hard time.
Posted by: Beer and Popcorn at December 2, 2009 4:09 PM"If the CBC thought this was remotely important, it would be on The National."
And the story is buried on the Technology page of the website. And interestingly, there is NO direct link to the Tech pages from the Home page. Maybe the Techpages are, like, secret, or something?
Posted by: Dyspeptic Curmudgeon at December 2, 2009 5:37 PMI want to start a fund for the legal defense of this "Hacker". He/she saved us trillions!
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