What happened to all the chatter about protection for whistleblowers?

They didn't choose him because he was a practicing engineer, Kate, they chose him because he's a lackey bureaucrat. Had he been a legitimate railroad engineer, he certainly would have put the brakes on before allowing this train wreck that now threatens his entire empire.

Yet again, I'm happy we have Steady Steve at the throttle here in Canada

Ain't that the guy that flew, like, a half-million miles last year on "IPCC business" like honorary degrees, dinner and cricket?

Thanks for helping, dude.

Yes, I checked out his bio once. He seems to have put that engineering degree to good use building ladders.

BTW - that's a tidbit everyone can keep handy when someone argues that "Dr.Skeptic Physicist isn't a climate scientist!

"The Chair of the IPCC is a railroad engineer"

“CBC finally released this by David Suzuki’s hand puppet Bob McDonald

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/quirks-blog/2009 /11/climate_science_still_sound.html

Poor Bob is getting hammered in the comments . . . .

Here is my favorite quote from the article:

"I really think people should be discreet … in this day and age anything you write, even privately, could become public and to put anything down in writing is, to say the least, indiscreet … It is another matter to talk about this to your friends on the telephone or person to person but to put it down in writing was indiscreet"

Rule number 1 - never write anything down. Indiscretion leaves a paper trail

And yet we still continue to slump towards Copenhagen.

Lot's of press that there will be no concensus at Copenhagen. BS! It has already been decided what the targets will be, it just depends how much bullying will be required.

Is he responsible for this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bym9Zds93rA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot
George Monbiots blog.
See the hammer of truth chipping away at AGW construct.
And they call us denialists?
I can't wait for his next entry

ROFLMAO!!!... Fred; that page at CBC that you linked to has mysteriously disappeared. (Quirks and Quarks). Is suppressing dissent a credit course?

try this

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/quirks-blog/2009/11/climate_science_still_sound.html

The Chinese Government will never sign onto the UN's "One World Government" wealth distribution scheme.
Like killer sharks the Chinese smell blood in the water .... American blood ... they know the prey is weakened by their massive debt, they will not be hamstrung in the future, when the time is right China will strike and they alone will be the masters in the world.

Meanwhile Barry will be bowing low in Copenhagen.
I can only hope Harper stands tall, and does not agree to the corrupt UN scheme, for Canada's sake.

“CBC finally released this by David Suzuki’s hand puppet Bob McDonald.."

Bob McDonald is really "Baghdad Bob"

I heard another clown on the radio this morning from the Sierra Club who was repeating the same drivel that McDonald has posted. They are trying to focus everyone on the emails in the hope that people will not realize about the release of computer, programmer comments, etc. The fraud artists are in panic mode....and they are looking absolutely ridiculous.

Our media continue to report how wonderful China is for saying they'll sign on to emissions reductaions ... yadda, yadda, yadda

But ya gotta remember our journalists are arithmetically challenged and can't figure our China is blowing smoke up their wazoo. China has said it will commit to "intensity cuts" which means they still increase their massive emissions just a little bit slower.

And the kicker is that China says if you want us to reduce more, you'll just have to pay us 1% of your GDP as a penalty.

Canada's bill would be about $13 Billion.

And that would be on top of the Copenhagen para 41 Climate Guilt Tax of .7% of our GDP - that's an annual payment to the UN.

Obama is going to Copenhagen/COP15 for a drive by smile and then getting the hell out before it turns into a total Gong Show.

Besides, China won't loan him the money to sign up and the US Congress will reject it outright.

I'm not sure I'm even comfortable that George Monbiot's siding with the sane people here, but... well, hey, Noam Chomsky has spoken out against the HRCs. You take what you can get.

"Climategate really is just like Watergate... (with) Bob Woodward in the role of Nixon."

QOTW, IMHO.

Degrees are given in Political Engineering? Who knew?

Working for the UN? Now there is a creditable source for sure.

A lie detector session sounds like a good place to start. Or perhaps a forensic audit.

who do I smack up the side of the head over this latest denial?

skepticism reigns supreme now.

MSM couldn't be doing a [worse/better] job of showing what useless bull tits they are.

"Our media continue to report how wonderful China is for saying they'll sign on to emissions reductaions ... yadda, yadda, yadda"

Copenhagen conference: India, China plan joint exit

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Copenhagen-conference-India-China-plan-joint-exit/articleshow/5279771.cms

When BIG Tobacco lied about nicotine the US (and other)politicians were all over them for using bad science or no science or fake science. They change laws and still are today.

Now that we have a major crack in BIG Green and the AGW fraud where is the Obama admin and that moonbat Pelosi. What is the brain trust in PMO of PM SH doing with the CRU blow up?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/business/06smoke.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200508u/nj_rauch_2005-08-09

another quarter million looks at SDA since the last milestone. many of them because of climategate.

does this mean Kate is a suspect for the email hack to increase traffic here? LOL !!!

any word yet on who pulled the hinges off CRU's secret vault?

A petition to establish a Royal Commision to determine the cause and extent of global warming.

Fill yer boots, people. This is going viral.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/32485.html

"Copenhagen conference: India, China plan joint exit"

GONG, GONG, GONG.

Copenhagen might be the best entertainment in years.

People have figured out Obamasiah reads a mean teleprompter but is gutless & spineless an he can be rolled easily.

Iran is doing with their announcement they'll build 10 new nuclear fuel factories . . . which is just another way of telling Barry to go blow smoke.

Meanwhile, Barry's supporters are turning on him, big time !

A slice of Palin Pie for Obamsiah

http://tinyurl.com/ykwjrh8

Is U.S.News & World Report a member of the MSM? But, not to worry; it's from a blog.

Quote:
"It sort of takes us back to what the meaning of "is" is."

That's Willy's tip of the slongue.

BTW, nothing from Willy and Hilly and/or Gore? The silence is deafening.

CRU's chOO-chOO Engineer:
"President Obama is still going to Copenhagen and is still going to use the apparently phony data to try and bring the world to a point of agreement on carbon emissions."
...-

"Global Warming E-Mails Scandal Show Scientists May Have Cooked the Facts

By Peter Roff, Thomas Jefferson Street blog

It is starting to look like President Barack Obama, aided and abetted by former Vice President Al Gore, Sens. Barbara Boxer, and John F. Kerry and others, may have lied this nation into a war against man-made global warming.

Preliminary analysis of the contents of thousands of E-mails and documents taken from the computer archives of the Climate Research Unit at England's University of East Anglia—possibly by a hacker, possibly by a whistleblower—indicate a number of the world's most important scientists engaged in research designed to prove that global warming really does exist may have been cooking the books.

As columnist Michael Barone wrote in Sunday's Washington Examiner, "The CRU has been a major source of data on global temperatures, relied on by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. But the e-mails suggest that CRU scientists have been suppressing and misstating data and working to prevent the publication of conflicting views in peer-reviewed science periodicals."

If true, the cooking of the temperature data to provide support for the idea that man-made global warming is occurring is a scandal of most serious proportions. It should force policymakers to reconsider the role science plays in the formulation of policy if its conclusions can be manipulated the way those concerning climate change now appear to have been.

Some of those involved in the E-mail chains that are now under examination have concocted what on their face come across as bizarre explanations for some of the things they said, many of which boil down to the notion that the words they used did not mean what they mean. It sort of takes us back to what the meaning of "is" is.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-roff/2009/11/30/global-warming-e-mails-scandal-show-scientists-may-have-cooked-the-facts.html

Fred, I went to your link. I could only get through a few comments. What drivel. Typical cbc nonsense. Some people are really F*cked up.

I'm going for a shower now, to wash all the 'green' slime off.

Sign me: A well armed denier, who's getting really tired of leftist bullshit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot. New post up. Bashes Canada! Still getting hammered in the comments.

Climategate really is just like Watergate

Pentagon Papers is more apt, I think.

Just sent this to the CBC Ombudsman
ombudsman@cbc.ca

"As a taxpayer, forced to support the CBC, I ask you to actually cover "Climategate" and not act as a relay station for the coverup. "

I suspect that I will, in due time, hear some sappy music and the recorded message "Your comments are important to us"

'ole Bob over at Quirks and Denials is taking a real old fashioned s*it kicking over his torqued piece on the CBC website..talk about selective interpretation on his part!!

"...and Bob Woodward in the role of Nixon."

EXACTLY!!!! ROTFLMAO!!

orvict, I noticed in the comments that several times Ian Plimer, Australian geologist and author of the excellent book, Heaven and Earth and I am assuming he was using his own name as a poster, was rejected each time. If it was the real Plimer they obviously didn't like what he was writing. I will write to him and check it out.

Always notice the same thing from posters that still support the AGW party line. Full of generalities, ad hominems and rarely any facts supporting their continued believe in this scam.

Did you notice in the link behind the words "railroad engineer" the article refers to the "UAE". The United Arab Emirates, I presume. Funny they would be involved in pimping AGW.

It's a typo, Louise, it should be UEA, for University
of East Anglia, which is where the CRU is located.

Just got this answer
"Dear Patrick Armstrong:

I write to acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. It is the customary practice of CBC’s Office of the Ombudsman to share complaints with the relevant programmers, who have the right to respond first to criticism of their work. I have therefore shared your e-mail with Jennifer McGuire, General Manager and Editor in Chief of CBC News. If you are not satisfied with the response you receive you may ask me to review the matter.

Sincerely,

Vince Carlin
CBC Ombudsman"

I am so happy that you are onto this file big time, Kate. We really do now need people like you to reveal what the MSM will not, internationally. Keep up the great work and watch your brave back.

Found at Belmont Club*.

Ayn Rand 1971.
...-

"40. E. Nigma:

Consider this:

“Some scientists like to play with the notion that global disaster may result if environmental pollution continues unchecked. According to one scenario, the planet is already well advanced toward a phenomenon call ‘the greenhouse effect’.Concentrations of carbon dioxide are building up in the atmosphere, it is said, as the world’s vegetation which feeds on C02 is progressively chopped down. Hanging in the atmosphere, it forms a barrier trapping the planet’s heat. As a result, the greenhouse theorists contend, the world is threatened with a rise in average temperature which, if it reache 4 or 5 degress, could melt the polar ice caps and raise sea level by as much as 300 feet and cause a worldwide flood…. ”

This is what bears the name of “science” today. It is on the basis of this kind of stuff that your are being pushed into a new Dark Age.
–
from “The New Left:The Anti – Industrial Revolution”, a collection of essays by Ayn Rand, published first in 1971."

(*)http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2009/11/29/homogenized-sterilized-and-pasteurized/#comments
...-

"THE HEART AND SOUL OF ENVIRONMENTALISM

PRODOS SPEAKS WITH PETER SCHWARTZ, Founder of The Intellectual Activist,
Chairman of the Board of the Ayn Rand Institute, Editor of
Return of The Primitive - an update of The New Left:
The Anti-Industrial Revolution.

PRODOS: (INTRO) I was in the supermarket the other day in one of those
12 items or less express lanes and a lady just ahead of me had a
few items she'd bought that were going through the checkout.

But she refused a plastic bag to put them in. She was going to
struggle along. She carried some in her handbag and some under
her arm and anyway it was grueling to watch.

Amazed and appalled - shaking my head - I watched the farce.

My turn now. The checkout guy looked at me with my long hair and
unusual way of dressing - probably thinking I'm a hippie and a
greenie too. But before he could say a word I blurted out
"I wanna plastic bag! I'm not an Environmentalist! I don't
support rubbish and nonsense like that!"

He looked at me with great approval.

Today I want to look at Environmentalism - it's heart and soul.
What is it really about? Regular listeners know that I'm TOTALLY
opposed to the Environmental movement and we've often on this
program shown up many of the silly contradictions and outright
LIES put forward by Environmentalists. God they really are a
bunch of whackers!

Most recently I spoke to [the late] John Daly - the author of
Still Waiting For Greenhouse and we talked about the
'Global Warming' scam. Also to Tom Brabin - all about the
Forestry Industry and some of the things happening there.

But today let's go a few levels deeper into the issues.
Let's get philosophical! Let's look at the ideas, the motivations,
the PRINCIPLES underlying the Green movement.

Now I warn you, you may be in for a shock. If you ever thought
the planet was in trouble because of what's happening to its
environment then get ready to find out what trouble really is.

Because what the Environmentalists are doing to your life, your
liberty, your property, your future is unbelievable. It's stranger
than fiction.

It's a nightmare." {...]

PRODOS: Peter, would you say that Environmentalism is not much different
from a religion or a dogma?

PETER SCHWARTZ: Well it is certainly a dogma and it certainly has
crucial aspects in common with religion. I don't know if that's
the place to START because most people have the view of Environmentalism
as being scientifically based.

Environmentalists present themselves on the surface as being concerned
with evidence, with science, with logic and telling people what the
factual consequences of certain actions or certain technologies are.

But in reality it's exactly the opposite. I don't think Environmentalists
CARE about scientific evidence. I think they are motivated not by
science but by a certain MORAL PREMISE and that premise is something
that ties them very much to religion and accounts for their views on technology."

http://www.prodos.com/transcript/peterschwartz1.html

This wingnut brays about the Obama promise to cut emissions. Obama's pledge has about as much validity as mine: I pledge to bring peace to the world, end poverty, and promise good crop yields. And I pledge this will all happen by tomorrow.
Obama can pledge till the cows come home but, until I see the U.S. congress vote to make this pledge a reality, I'll refrain from dancing in the street.
This choo-choo driver is a true son of the AGW fruitloops, he'll clutch at ant straw to validate his indefensible position and, seeing how well Asia's rail system appears to operate, he is the perfect person for this goofy organization.

I knew that Vit. I just thought it was a bit amusing.

Folks, 'normal' science is so 1960.

This is post-normal science!

BTW there is an interesting thread on this engineer on The Blogmocracy. (also known as LGF2.0)

I will be selling replicas of this "Climatological Hat" on e-baty any soon.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/science/01tier.html?_r=3

I love how the Climategate denialists keep saying that Realclimate was "Hacked," what happened was somebody tried to leave a comment, and Gavin jumped on it as it sat in "moderation". This is the proof that Andy Revkin, short bus "science writer" for the NYT gives that the emails were "obtained illegally."

It is like they think that just because they are climatologists, they can piss on our leg and call it rain.

They are doing the same thing with the new mamography standards:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/11/28/end-the-stigma-of-stigma.aspx

Read the second item about "biostatistics" and how hard they are for the unwashed to understand.

Ian at November 30, 2009 4:08 PM

Nice highlight,Ian. He's saying that conspiracies should be kept private. Hmmm. Well, that's sound advice for conspirators.

What is not genreally understand by people, at large, is that e-mail is not private.

E-mail employs the UDP (User Data Protocl), which is entirely open and public. In fact, you do not even know how an e-mail got from sender to recipient. And anyone can receive it and you don't know.

The internet is a public space; anything you say or do there is as visible to everyone, just as it would be in an Attic Stoa or Agora.

Q & Q's Bob seems to have had enough. He had to have dissallowed so many posts that ghis poor pointy finger became warm and achey.

Bob, wake up; you are a victim! It is OK to admit it!

OK Actually you are a useful idiot who thinks they're smart buit are really dumb.

My post to CBC's Bob Q&Q:

Bob, I understand and feel your pain. You have dutifully served up all the fraudulent AGW propaganda and now here you are, a true believer, left high and dry on the rocks of reality, reputation shreded.

Take to the lifeboat reason and shed your soul of the guilt of gullibility. Renounce now, to the public, your innocent culpability in this ideological crime. DENOUNCE THE CRIMATOLOGISTS.

aaargh, I ran out of italics!

Actually, RW, it's User Datagram Protocol, and in fact, email, or at least the common SMTP form, does not use UDP, it uses TCP. Or at least typically. And TCP is not broadcast, so normally SMTP mail is not visible to unintended readers. However, I do agree that email is not private, or certainly shouldn't be considered so by its users. Even if sent over VPNs, a proper IT department will have backups up the wazoo. So, for example, if you send me email, by morning it will be backed up on four machines in geographically disperse locations. Plus, we have roll-backward mirrors, so even if I delete your mail tomorrow, it will be in the backups for over a year.

How can you not trust a face like that! LOL! /s

Vitruvius, Well, I stand corrected. I just do this stuff; I don't know how it works or even to use it.

You're right. SMTP uses TCP. So it is more secure than Internet voice phones, using RTP, buried in UDP packets. And all without QOS.

Thanks, tho, for the correction to my head .... er ... knowledge base. :-)

More CO2 belches from Choo-Choo Pachauri who is, The Times says, "a leading world authority on climate science" and a "scientist".
And, a "Dr".

Choo-Choo: "“At some point we will have to cross over and start sucking some of those gases out of the atmosphere.”"

Choo-Choo fingers the "fossil fuel lobby", aka Big Oil, as the villains who are behind the ClimateGate burglary caper.

But, listen to Choo-Choo suck'n'blow here:
...-

Carbon must be sucked from air, says IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri"

"Dr Pachauri, speaking to The Times on Saturday before travelling to Paris to brief President Sarkozy, suggested that the fossil fuel lobby could be behind a hacking incident last month that led to the publication of thousands of leaked e-mails between climate scientists. He said that it was entirely possible that “corporate interests” had had a hand in the leak.

Dr Pachauri, who was in London for a lecture at the Wellcome Trust organised by the BBC World Service, demanded an immediate investigation into the hacking of e-mails from the University of East Anglia’s climatic research unit, which he branded an “illegal act”.

He said: “One needs firstly to find out personally who is responsible, who the culprits are and what were their motives. And unless we do that it is likely that similar things will happen in the future.”"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6938298.ece

Roger that, RW. But hey, if you really want to send secret messages, I posted the source code here at SDA. You'll have to write your own UI, though. And now, we're way off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

Hell, I don't know Vitruvius; looks like XML to me, buit what do I know; could that Java stuff.

When you first learnt computing in basic on punch-cards, then graduated to fortran on punch cards, all computer languages become a blur:

"Just what is the syntax for this statement? Do I end with a semi-colon or just ?

These kids today who are using Pascal have it so easy!

BTW I'm an engineer of electronic circuits of all kinds

But I digress!

Climategate really is just like Watergate - complete with Deep Code, the Internet Plumbers, and Bob Woodward in the role of Nixon.

Yes a kind of similar event only in negative. From the MSM to dithering pols in denial of reality. Good turn of phrase Kate.

Posted by: curious_george at November 30, 2009 4:57 PM

any word yet on who pulled the hinges off CRU's secret vault?

Personally, I suspect HARRY, an inside job.

Harry certainly has been quiet. I wonder where they have him chained up?

Given their record-keeping skills to date, Kate,
I wouldn't be surprised if they've lost track of
who Harry was. Or perhaps they deleted him.

Very likely someone else has thought of this and one could usefully include more of the entire poem, but here it is, with apologies to WB Yeats:

"And what rough beast its hour come round at last
Slouches toward Copenhagen to be born."

I'm also wondering if President Bowser is going to be the midwife.

I have my fingers crossed that all of this information out there will make a difference in how my children and grandchildren will live in the future. Free.
Although I have just been told by a friend in Australia that his school class at TAFE has had to watch gores film without any disclaimers etc about the fraud in the film. Disheartining to say the least. Grooming another generation goes on.

When it comes to credentials, Suzuki has absolutely no training in climate science or physics. The only thing he has any talent for is fleecing people out of their money. Dr. Fruitfly gave a talk at the University of Ottawa about 35 years ago and as I was an environmentalist at that time I went to see him. Halfway through the talk my opinion of him was that he was an absolute moron who was predicting that unless we give up technology the world will end at any instant and we will all die in the global cooling that will happen. My environmentalism at that time consisted of being against coal fired power plants because they were polluting and nuclear plants were far cleaner and less disruptive to the landscape than coal mining. At that time I saw nuclear power as a temporary thing until we had fusion and then we could junk all of the messy hydrocarbon fueled chemical stuff. I wish I'd taken notes back then as I would have loved to trot them out now to show how far off the mark this idiot was. Given 1970's pharmacology the only thing I can remember now is my absolute revulsion after listening to this moron.

"Yet again, I'm happy we have Steady Steve at the throttle here in Canada

Posted by: Erik Larsen at November 30, 2009 3:52 PM"

Ain't THAT the TRUTH!

I'm starting to think that the Canadian ATTACK MEDIA have a personal investment in the furtherance of the Global Warming money-making SCHEME.

They're trying their best to keep up the charade.....except for honest journalists such as Kelly McParland.

The IPCC has 13 players on the field?
The dirty dozen plus the tools in the mAss media.

I had read once that Pachauri was a railroad engineer. A bit of hasty research revealed that he was a railroad engineer as opposed to a locomotive engineer. In a flash I knew that I would never be able to head the IPCC since I hold the latter position as opposed to the former. lol

Pachauri is the guy that said unless we shut down the tar sands the oceans will rise and the Maldives will be under water. This has been proven to be a lie yet he keeps saying it.

Pachauri looks like Nick Nolte on a good day. Maybe the seas shall rise and he shall be forced to wash his hair with great vengeance!

What an utter puking fool this Pachauri is - who's the denier now, shitferbrains?