Post morning coffee update...
Finally, an actual Canadian news story free of dismissiveness, by Canwest - "From Climategate to Copenhagen" . Factual, concise, and it treats the scandal with the seriousness it deserves. Good job, Robert Foot.
This past week has seen Canada's opinion guys doing the job their news departments won't do, and a very good one at that - Gunter, Goldstein, Gormley, Adler, Solomon, and now Coren. The radio guys have been exceptional in this regard, in large part because they spend their days talking with their audience, instead of down to it.
As Mark Steyn notes, it puts the lie to sniffy proclamations such as this;
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Andrew Bolt (in Australia) - "You fools. You cut your own throats."
What do you think the people reading of this scandal there conclude when they then turn to, say, The Age or the ABC, and find there barely a word of coverage?
I’ll tell you: they’ll conclude that the media cannot be trusted to tell even the news, let alone the truth, when it conflicts with their agenda.
On a related note, your 9:00 am Saturday morning traffic report: more than 9,200 visits to SDA since midnight, 2,700 in the last hour.
Internal logs show significantly higher traffic than does web-based Sitemeter counter, which is usually the case. We're pushing out 4.6 Gigs of bandwidth per day at the moment.

Conrad Black has spoken up as well in the NP.
Posted by: Lorenzo at November 28, 2009 10:46 AMgone are the days of 10 mikes in front of one politician. It's efficiency , the old view was competition , but they dont compete for speed on a story in the post broadcast world.
one microphone and then distribute on the internet.
these days the phonies are on both sides of the microphone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7myG2Mluv0
yes good article by Foot, except for medieval warm period MAY have been warmer than now. How about WAS.
Has anyone noticed a poll in the media with the simple question "Do you believe that global warming/climate change is caused by Carbon Dioxide produced by human activities?" I regular give my key strokes to Globe and Mail polls.
Posted by: tranio at November 28, 2009 10:54 AMNo more commenting allowed on Bolt's blog? WUWT?
Posted by: Molon Labe at November 28, 2009 11:18 AM "Finally, an actual Canadian news story free of dismissiveness, by Canwest - "From Climategate to Copenhagen" .
National Post, or the stable of the Quebecor Sun Chain ( forget Globemedia or CBC they still don't know what the hell is going on) need to put their corporate MSM weight behind the Hadley CRU / Jones and "Mann-made Global warming" and tie story into the Cap & Trade World Government tax scheme which it is, with headlines and front page editorials, even though they are late in the game.
The individual journalists mentioned deserve kudos, however as long as the MSM corporation does not stand behind the writers and expound on the corruption involved in the issue, they simply remain enablers of a massive fraud involved by the entrenched charlatan warmist scientists, the ...."Warmergate Plumbers" or better yet, the "Mann-made Global Warming" fantasy.
When I was young the code of the media was:
"Be first but be accurate."
Today it's:
"Be a liar but be first."
A disturbing trend in the reports that are making the MSM, is the reference to 'hacked e-mails', but make no comment regarding the data sets and programming included in the FOI package.
Its being glossed over, people. After all, the average citizen is pretty uneducated, and things like data sets, Fortran, outliers and running averages do not register. They are more concerned about Brad Pitt's hairstyle and how cold the beer is.
That's the media spin, and they will say they did report it......but only what THEY deemed was newsworthy.
Is this a coverup, or professional laziness and stupidity? I can see some in the press saying, "there go those conspiracy theorists again!" and who can blame them?
That is why it is necessary to get the code and the data sets out there, all over, to programming wizards and professionals, not allied with us skeptics, and not allied with the alarmists. Somebody much smarter and wealthy than ourselves (Nigel Lawson? various RW commentators (Beck, Limbaugh, et al? Fraser Institute?) needs to commission a few independent software companies to analyze and report the sets, and present to the world for their analysis. It would even be better if one of them was an advocate of AGW, and found the results run smack dab opposite the desired result.
One can only hope......
Posted by: DanBC at November 28, 2009 11:28 AM"the media cannot be trusted to tell even the news, let alone the truth,"
Not to mention the weather...
Posted by: Kathy Shaidle at November 28, 2009 11:33 AMGive the MSM 5 more years and the wheels will come off completely,looking foreward to it!
Posted by: bob at November 28, 2009 11:41 AMCBC continues to buck this trend, keeping its head firmly in the sand. The story posted on Climate change mentions UN honcho Ban insisting we set some realistic targets, some calls for Canada's ouster from the Commonwealth, these from the Commonwealth conference. I notice from the comments that some people do not depend on CBC for their information, although there are a lot of Suzuki sympathizers writing in. I am encouaged by the Foot piece in Ottawa Citizen.
Posted by: Martin at November 28, 2009 11:46 AMCoren as well under the comment section.
"Hot Air under the Radar"
Goldstein and Coren dissing their peers. Love it.
http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/michael_coren/2009/11/28/11961496-sun.html
Posted by: bluetech at November 28, 2009 11:49 AMhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/under-heat-climate-change-contrarian-wont-wilt/article1380438/
"People say, you shouldn't be a climate-science denier, and I agree. But likewise you shouldn't be a climate-economics denier."
gold.
Posted by: allan at November 28, 2009 11:50 AMSo, Kate, what are you trying to say with that Meltdown graph?
That the MSM is going to take up FORTRAN programming to hide the decline?
Posted by: Brent Weston at November 28, 2009 11:50 AMAs to the revenues issue with the dead tree media, it is pretty obvious what is happening, and why their $$$ have plunged. I can only speak for Victoria, a mid-sized hub of multiple small municipalities, but I think it sums up things well.
People are buying fewer newspapers. The local TimesCommunist no longer prints on Mondays, but, only 20 years ago, they never had a Saturday edition, that never gets mentioned......
People get their news from online sources, such as the TC's own website, and the Sun and Province for that matter. No flipping through all the pages to find what you want, only stories read are thos that catch your eye with the headline. A far better, and less 'spun' experience.
The major advertisers, such as car dealerships, all have their own websites, where you can do your searches for what you want. That goes for many different sources of merchandise.
Real estate agents used to be huge contributors to newspapers. Now, everything is online, and, if you are searching for a house in a newspaper, it will be gone by the time you read it in print.
But, I think this is the real bread and butter of advertising, that has vacated the dead tree media.
Local private advertising, the classifieds. The rates for the classifieds were terrible. $30 for 20 words for two days. Excessive. Talk about pissing off your clientele. Along came the websites, here, namely UsedVictoria dot com,(which has expanded profoundly across Western Canada). This website is huge, and is seemingly used by everyone I know, for everything used. I advertise stuff nowhere else but here. No more ads in the Times Communist.
It is free to post your goods for sale. Nuff said.
I still wonder who buys the TC, the true believers? The TC is certainly preaching to its choir, the government civil serpents. Another reason why big $$$ isn't putting their dollars there.
It can't go away fast enough.
Well, feeling particularly sadistic this weekend, I present for your discernment the CBC's take on climategate via their quirks and quacks guy:
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/quirks-blog/2009/11/climate_science_still_sound.html
Feel free to leave a comment.
Also, CBC newswhatever ran a show last night called "Carbon Hunters" about carbon credit trading. Witness more stupidity in one hour than an entire season of stupid pet tricks.
I'll bet that the Romans never saw it coming either.
Posted by: Pd at November 28, 2009 11:59 AMthe perfect graphical analogy . . .
http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/11/its-getting-warmer.html
Posted by: Fred at November 28, 2009 12:10 PMHow much money would Canada save it it was evicted from the commonwealth. How many of those countries really do think that Canada's wealth is their common wealth.
Posted by: MaryT at November 28, 2009 12:14 PMLeave the Commonwealth, and dump Canada's membership in the Eunuch Nations.
The UN’s dream of a far-left and socialist “One-World-Government” needs to be killed, and the sooner the better.
Posted by: Mike T at November 28, 2009 12:23 PMThat print newspaper sales graph is actually very good news for the warmists. Fewer trees have to die, now. That's gotta be good, right?
Posted by: Louise at November 28, 2009 12:25 PMI wonder how much bandwidth catsmeat is pushing these days?
Posted by: mungman at November 28, 2009 12:28 PMFoot, as representative of the MSM, still doesn't get it. That's not entirely his fault; if you don't have a bent for science, getting up to speed is no easy task. The report however, shows itself for what it really is, a fluff piece reporting mostly on the comments of few interviewees, rather than any kind of in-depth look at the issues involved.
What is being missed by most of the media, primarily due to lack of objective research on their part, is what the real story is: the emperor wears no clothes. While the email traffic certainly speaks to the ethics of the researchers, the smoking gun is the state of temperature "record" as promulgated by these individuals in the guise of a historic "global" measure. It clearly is just junk, an unsubstantiable mishmash of observations, interpretations, unreliable (even unscientific) proxies, all of which is further massaged without proper accreditation, to produce a picture of "global warming".
Had MSM writers looked into this very fundamental issue of what measure do we actually have to support increasing temperatures, they would find that the number of actual historic databases and measures can be counted on the fingers of one hand, with considerable overlap between sources, and, as Anthony Watts has demonstrated so clearly with his station monitoring program, no scientific or even technical oversight for reliability or accuracy. HADCRUT is one of the TWO major temp series used to monitor global warming, and its definitively shown to be just crap. GISStemp will fair not better upon detailed review. It is on these very flimsy premises that the evaluations of FRACTIONAL increases in temperature, and consequent catatastrophe, is based.
ALL of the rest of the global warming "science" is anecdotal. Virtually none of it is scientific, primarily because its all about proxies. Virtually none of the proxies have a shred of integrity as measures of global historical (or even current) temperature. There are multiple hypotheses for virtually every phenomenon reported as evidence of global warming, the weakest of which, in most cases, is AGW. Even the vaunted C02 greenhouse effect is patently false. Clowns like Bennett in the article need a slap upside the head for outrageous arrogance over any real science.
That CBC article about the science still being sound was posted yesterday in the late afternoon. Still no comments showing, even though it's noonish the next day. They must all be of the denier variety. Can't let that through, now can we.
Posted by: Louise at November 28, 2009 12:33 PMHere comes the Acealanche .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 28, 2009 12:39 PMImagine, if you will, the next federal election. Due to Warmergate, the CBC has been outed as enablers of a fraud, and its behaviour has become an election issue - after all they are on the public teat. The Conservatives let the issue fester without actually engaging in it, then win a majority. They then privatize the CBC.
Remember, it's just a fantasy.
Posted by: Allen at November 28, 2009 12:43 PMSorry, but I don't think that Ottawa Citizen story counts. It's in the technology section -- not in "News". This whole thing should have been front page news -- not today, but when it actually happened over a week ago.
Posted by: Natasha at November 28, 2009 12:44 PMClimategate Who's Who:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu_ok37HDuE
I find putting faces to names is always useful.
@MaryT and MikeT
I agree completely.
Our country removed from the Commonwealth can not arrive too soon.
A pox on the House of Windsor.
C'mon, Kate; just today the Torstar was reporting on the poor polar bears starving on shrinking(?) polar ice, the permanent (get it?) ice that is.
The dinosaurs will continue their wink and nudge as long as possible. Face it the warmists control the agenda, it will take more than Coren et al to shake them loose.
Think in terms of how long it took our MSM to report on Adscam. Dragged in, kicking and screaming, but only when the story got legs with the public. That could take years.
The kleptocrat party of world government is hoping they will be in charge by then so they can jail climate dissidents.
Except it won't work. The public can be counted on to hug a tree until the climate bureaucrat reaches into their wallet. Then they let go.
The warmists will overreach, again, except in a big way. Hopefully, that is.
Except for Europe. The fantasy shall continue there.
Posted by: Shamrock at November 28, 2009 1:03 PMHey, looking at that meltdown chart, finally a hockey stick (keep your stick on the ice).
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at November 28, 2009 1:06 PMLet's throw away all the bad science, the faked proxies, the tainted Fortran code, the half-baked models, the barbecue/weather station combos, the hockey sticks, Kyoto, Copenhagen and the UN. What are we left with?
The hard fact that we have added, and still add, a lot of carbon to our atmosphere. (and don't give me this rubbish about volcanoes producing more than humans - this has been debunked over and over. Our contribution is some 150 times more, and growing).
The 'skeptic' position is to assume the last-century change of CO2 concentration, 275 to 390 ppm, had no significant effect on climate. The warming of the 20th century (still evidenced by retreating glaciers) is then 'natural'. Fair enough.
We therefore carry on with an uncontrolled experiment on our own atmosphere. Allowing for continued population and economic growth, we will reach 500 ppm by 2045 and close to 1,000 ppm by the end of the century.
Are we sure this will have no effect? No. Anyone affirming that is lying, or deluded. They don't know.
We must get the science right. We need to put scientists that have honesty and integrity on this.
Posted by: GreenNeck at November 28, 2009 1:08 PMThe CBC's Quirks & Quarks article is downright criminal. Absolute lies.
"For the most part, these emails reveal that the scientists were doing what scientists do .."
"Now, obviously climate scientists should not be attempting to suppress research. But no such thing happened."
Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at November 28, 2009 1:22 PM
It started here and they have just invented one bigger, hairer, scarier hysteria after the other. The end justifies the means and hey, what is a little fraud and criminality among consenting Climate Scientists?
The state has no place in the labs of the nation!
The Club of Rome's 1991 book, The First Global Revolution:
"In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then is humanity itself."
The hard fact that we have added, and still add, a lot of carbon to our atmosphere.
Yes indeed, please do get the science right.
Posted by: wingwalker at November 28, 2009 1:27 PMThis http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/731420--scientists-were-angry-but-they-didn-t-lie is unbelievable.
It makes Tyler Hamilton's deflection in the same poor-excuse-for-a-news-source the other day seem rather biting by comparison.
Articles like this simply reduce the credibility of the publications which carry them. And in the case of the Toronto Star, that's getting harder and harder to do.
"When I was young the code of the media was:
'Be first but be accurate.'
Today it's:
'Be a liar but be first.'"
Er, no.
The newspaper code has always been: make lotsa copy (i.e., stories the readers want), sell lotsa papers, make lotsa money from advertising.
Balance was catered to by having a range of newspapers of different political slants and perspectives.
Putting aside politics and "journalistic ethics" (whatever that's supposed to mean*), a good old-fashioned media outlet would always go with what it thought would sell.
Kate has nicely highlighted the current reality with the Macleans blogs. Contrast blogging activity over the detainee torture story with the "Warmergate" one. Colby Cosh's two "Norwich" items have received pro and con comments in the hundreds vice a mere handful of comments on the "Colvin" affair.
Any bloody-minded publisher/editor alert to trends would have demoted the Afghanistan story days ago to sidebar status and focussed on the climate change CRU hacking issue.
* The New York Times had no qualms about publishing the Pentagon Papers.
Posted by: JJM at November 28, 2009 1:47 PMGood post GreenNeck. The counterpoint is pollution will continue to grow, unless everybody, especially the developing world, stops/seriously abates use of fossil fuels. Is the UN proposing that?
No you are right, they are setting up their kleptocracy, with scholarships to Saddam Hussein University available soon.
I also agree that we can't continue pouring carbon into the atmosphere, though I don't agree that the problem will be global warming, given the small contribution of human activity to overall greenhouse gases.
Pollution is another matter. A cesspool awaits, not here, but in China and India, whose future pollution GROWTH will be greater than the combined TOTAL output of Canada, Australia, Great Britain and Germany (something like that, but my point is made).
The obsession with AGW, pro and con, has to end. Start working on a new fuel source for powering grids and vehicles. Nuclear (safe, no pap) must be used as transition power source (no pollution, annual waste able to fit in a pop can).
No BS carbon sequestration (unsafe), or windmills (10 square miles of them for electricity to 5000 people, what a joke).
And let's get China (and Maurice Strong) to do it. NOT. Do it here. Do it as soon as you can, and reap the rewards (which we can share) here.
By the time the UN has skimmed their profit, and the charlatans, profiteers and global village idiots have secured their lucr, there will be little or nothing left to actually improve the environment. What has the $billions already spent "fighting" climate change gotten us, except make Al Gore rich.
I believe Mr Harper will defend our interests, along those lines, when he goes to Copenhagen.
Posted by: Shamrock at November 28, 2009 1:57 PMI think we need a prominent web-counter to show how many days the CBC continues to not report on the Hadley CRU scandal.
Posted by: rg at November 28, 2009 2:16 PMre "meltdown" figure: how much wood would the woodchucks chuck? and, more importantly, could this value be transformed using corrupt/inept data entry processes?
Posted by: rzr at November 28, 2009 2:22 PMFrom the Canwest link: "But Katz says the hacked e-mail exchanges prove the IPCC, and governments everywhere, have been seriously misled."
Oh, that poor IPCC, having the wool pulled over their eyes. Does anyone really believe they're innocent victims in this?
It doesn't make sense that Jones, Mann, etc. decided all by their selves to come up with this fraud. They were providing the results that the IPCC wanted from the beginning.
"For the most part, these emails reveal that the scientists were doing what scientists do .."
Probably true, and so an indictment on the INDUSTRY itself ...
Posted by: egg at November 28, 2009 2:57 PMI don't think I've ever been this pi$$ed at the CBC. I mean, I don't really watch them anymore, haven't for a long time, but their willful disregarding of this huge story is sickening. The fact that Global and CTV are doing it too doesn't bother me as much, because I don't have money stolen from me to support them.
I agree with Joel Johannesen at PTBC: State-owned and state-run media should be banned in this country, and that notion should be enshrined in our constitution.
Posted by: Johann at November 28, 2009 3:01 PMThe MSM climate fraud deniers have cut their throat with the public, AND THE POLITICIANS, whom they have pushed deep into the tar pit. The politicians won't forget. Nice work, editors. The power you think you wield is as real as anthropogenic global warming.
Posted by: shaken at November 28, 2009 3:09 PMI'm not terribly surprised by the almost catatonic reaction of the MSM to Warmergate. Huge political, financial, and emotional investments have been made in this hoax.
Thousands of politicians, special "climate correspondents", rent seekers, and other hangers on have been under siege for some time. Warmergate is a new and devastating blow for them. And human nature has caused them to "go to ground".
As Terence Corcoran has suggested Copenhagen will pass without results. Obama's cap and tax bill will die. And several years of slowly unwinding the hoax will ensue as people try to find out ways to quietly back out.
Please keep up the great blogging on this Kate. The old but profound saw about the "truth always finding a way to come out" has been confirmed again.
Posted by: Bart F. at November 28, 2009 3:15 PMClimategate gets ONE sentence in the mop and pail:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/spector-vision/harper-takes-heat/article1381405/
It’s worth noting, however, that Mr. Harper’s political base is not really with him: they’ve for years been fighting the science of global warming and have recently been re-energized by the “Climategate” leaks. To date, however, only Saudi Arabia’s negotiator, Mohammad al-Sabban, has called into question the Copenhagen conference.
Posted by: allan at November 28, 2009 3:26 PMAl Gore's problems are just starting. Yeterday he ran away from a book signing in Chicago after being confronted by protesters.
The day before he was met at a book signing in Colorado.
Story here along with a video:
http://truth11.wordpress.com/2009/11/26/we-are-change-colorado-attend-al-gore-book-signing-rips-up-gore-book-in-his-face/
Posted by: Ghost of Ed at November 28, 2009 3:47 PMDavid Suzuki says jail those who ignore climate science.
How about; jail those who have foisted this 'now PROVEN' fraud on the people !!!!
Posted by: ron in kelowna ∴ at November 28, 2009 3:48 PMOne good thing that I just realised..
...hear that??
Silence.
Crickets.
Nothing from the Libs and dippers wrt PMSH and Hopenhagen.
Guess they DO read SDA. :)
'David Suzuki says jail those who ignore climate science.'
Fair call - as even the IPCC concedes several upcoming decades of global cooling, should Suzuki deny this, may he fall on his sword that he lives by ...
Posted by: egg at November 28, 2009 3:57 PMIt's the end of the end of the world as we know it.
The Greenhoax Effect has been exposed.
Posted by: POWinCA at November 28, 2009 4:34 PMHow To Make a CRU-tUrn*?
...-
"University of East Anglia U-turn in climate
change row
Leading British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who were accused of manipulating climate change data, have agreed to publish their figures in full.
David Holland is seeking prosecutions against some of Britain's most eminent academics for allegedly holding back information in breach of disclosure laws.
The U-turn by the university follows a week of controversy after the emergence of hundreds of leaked emails, "stolen" by hackers and published online, triggered claims that the academics had massaged statistics.
In a statement welcomed by climate change sceptics, the university said it would make all the data accessible as soon as possible, once its Climatic Research Unit (CRU) had negotiated its release from a range of non-publication agreements.
The publication will be carried out in collaboration with the Met Office Hadley Centre. The full data, when disclosed, is certain to be scrutinised by both sides in the fierce debate.
A grandfather with a training in electrical engineering dating back more than 40 years emerged from the leaked emails as a leading climate sceptic trying to bring down the scientific establishment on global warming.
David Holland, who describes himself as a David taking on the Goliath that is the prevailing scientific consensus, is seeking prosecutions against some of Britain's most eminent academics for allegedly holding back information in breach of disclosure laws.
Mr Holland, of Northampton, complained to the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) last week after the leaked emails included several Freedom of Information requests he had submitted to the CRU, and scientists' private responses to them." (more)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2396009/posts
*A warmer goes for His driving test. During the test the instructor says to the warmer, "Can you make a CRU - turn?"
The warmer replies. "No, but I can make Mao Stlong's eyes water."
Submitted by calamjo
Edited by Curtis"
(redneckjokes)
Unabomber*-Maurice Strong's Manifesto has surfaced: AGW is the United Nations' Agenda/To-Do-List/Facilitator.
"We therefore advocate a revolution against the industrial system. This revolution may or may not make use of violence: it may be sudden or it may be a relatively gradual process spanning a few decades."
...-
"The Commonwealth Climate Change Declaration
Port of Spain Climate Change Consensus:
The Commonwealth Climate Change Declaration
The Challenge of Our Time
1.Climate change is the predominant global challenge. We convened a Special Session on Climate Change in Port of Spain to discuss our profound concern about the undisputed threat that climate change poses to the security, prosperity, economic and social development of our people. For many it is deepening poverty and affecting the attainment of the Millennium Development Goals. For some of us, it is an existential threat.
2.We reaffirm our commitment to the Lake Victoria Commonwealth Climate Change Action Plan and its further implementation, in particular by contributing to the efforts of member states in transforming their economies and strengthening the capacity and voice of vulnerable groups.
3.We recognise the unprecedented opportunity of our meeting just ahead of the 15th Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change in Copenhagen. We approach Copenhagen with ambition, optimism and determination. We welcome the attendance of leaders at the Copenhagen conference. The needs of the most vulnerable must be addressed. Their voice must be heard and capacity to engage strengthened. Many of us from small island states, low-lying coastal states and least developed countries face the greatest challenges, yet have contributed least to the problem of climate change." (more)
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/732146--the-commonwealth-climate-change-declaration
...-
"*Unabomber's Manifesto
Industrial Society and its Future
INTRODUCTION"
http://www.42inc.com/~estephen/manifesto/unabe2.html
The toronto star weighs in : http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/731420--scientists-were-angry-but-they-didn-t-lie
Posted by: greyburr at November 28, 2009 5:04 PMTimes-UK.
"RC" commenter said:
"“A miracle has happened,”.
...-
"The great climate change science scandal
Leaked emails have revealed the unwillingness of climate change scientists to engage in a proper debate with the sceptics who doubt global warming
The storm began with just four cryptic words. “A miracle has happened,” announced a contributor to Climate Audit, a website devoted to criticising the science of climate change.
“RC” said nothing more — but included a web link that took anyone who clicked on it to another site, Real Climate.
There, on the morning of November 17, they found a treasure trove: a thousand or so emails sent or received by Professor Phil Jones, director of the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia in Norwich.
Jones is a key player in the science of climate change. His department’s databases on global temperature changes and its measurements have been crucial in building the case for global warming."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6936289.ece
Posted by: maz2 at November 28, 2009 5:55 PMA Mr. Bennett from the Sierra Club Said...
"All this controversy will prove is the desperateness of the fossil fuel industry, and those they back, the tiny, minuscule group of pseudo-scientific deniers, who are so desperate they will resort to this kind of criminal tactic -- stealing e-mails -- to make their point."
That last line, (stealing e-mails -- to make their point) really exposes how that idiots left-thinking brain works.
It doesn't really matter HOW the e-mails were aquired, what matters is that they do PROVE their point.!
Looks like a "field hockey stick!"
Posted by: Geoff at November 28, 2009 7:32 PMDo the rest of you get Inundated with press releases and quotes from the Suzuki Foundation's "Climate Specialist" Ian Bruce?
I always suspected this guy was full of hot air but now that ClimateGate is exploding all around us, the obvious question has to be asked:
"If actual facts do matter then the media seeking knowledgeable quotes from a 'Climate Specialist' is like declaring a 'Coffee Specialist' to be some guy standing in line at Starbucks!"
Posted by: Robert W. at November 28, 2009 7:37 PMThere is one last chance for global warming, apparently Mrs. Tiger Woods is pretty hot (in more ways than one).
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at November 29, 2009 12:39 AMFrom the Ottawa Citizen article by Richard Foot:
…….John Bennett, executive director of the Sierra Club of Canada, made the same argument, saying: "Mann and his colleagues were simply speaking in their own high-level code…..
Let us see now, using false information like ….trick to hide an intentional error in your code is “high-level code” in newspeak.
Michael Mann says:
"What they've done is search through stolen personal e-mails, confidential between colleagues who often speak in a language they understand and is often foreign to the outside world."
Let us see now, unsettled people don’t understand “the language that is often foreign to them” so that a phrase: “to hide the decline” by the settled “scientists”, may actually be misinterpreted as meaning “to hide the decline” by unsettled people, can’t have that.
You would think that the “scientists” would have developed a scientific method on Big Lie that way the unsettled might settle.
"CBC continues to buck this trend, keeping its head firmly in the sand."
Martin
Remember that the Communist Broadcasting Corporation is the home of one Dr. David Suzuki, the most famous and respected "scientist" in Canad'uh...According to eh, um, CBC and the MSM anyway. You don't want Dr. Fruitfly to boycott the Ceeb and loose "The Nature of Things" do ya?
"The CBC's Quirks & Quarks article is downright criminal. Absolute lies.
"For the most part, these emails reveal that the scientists were doing what scientists do .."
"Now, obviously climate scientists should not be attempting to suppress research. But no such thing happened.""
Ron in Kelowna
I linked to that CBC site to see what the comments were and although the post is more than a day old and there is a comments section, there's not one comment to read yet(?), now is it because it's the result of "nobody goes to CBC" or is it because they cannot have anyone agree with them and are filtering out 100% of the comments?
LMAO!...Die CBC, DIE!
On a rare occasion, sometimes (When nobody is watching and I mean NOBODY) they'll have somewhat balanced reporting:
At 6am this morning CBC newsworld had a report on the polar bear population. It stated that scientists are saing they are in decline and the Iniuts are saying they is "dangerously too many of them and they are too close for comfort"...One of them saying that it is related to the fact that "the bears are been portrayed as cute, white Coca Cola drinking teddys by the MSM" and that this year their region was forced to cut down to 8 kills for meat and pelt vs 38 kills just a year before. The inuits are pissed and they say "the scientists don't know what theyre talking about"...
I'll take the locals word.
Terry Tory, I suspect that is what they are going to do for the next several months. They will ever so slowly introduce some balance into their reporting and once they think the viewing/listening public has forgotten how unbalanced they were, THEN they can talk about the scam.
Posted by: Louise at November 29, 2009 11:12 AMBesides that, the Inuit are an Aboriginal people, so believing everything they say is consistent with the Canadian Broadcorping Castration's world view.
Posted by: Louise at November 29, 2009 11:14 AMRobert Foot’s article is a step in the right direction. Disappointing ending. Bennett’s arrogance is typical of the global warming cloud and his opinion should have been deleted. Almost as though Foot didn’t want to appear to be biased towards the sceptics. The big lie has been sold to so many that it may carry on even though the lie has been exposed. CBC is disgusting. Our schools teach global warming. Even my Grade 7 son questions what they teach and this is based on simple observations of world climate. He is smarter than many of the so called academics of the global warming camp. The lying should not be justified as being for the good of humanity. The lying was done for power and money not in the interest of humanity. Humanity needs compassion and honesty. The e-mails show neither.
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