Hello Kate; Great work on this AGW scam. You seem to be one of only a few on net in Canada digging into "Climategate.

The scary part is that the Prime Minister and all western countries are about to commit billions to AGW and a world governing body in Copenhagen and the media is ignoring it.

Please keep on getting the truth out.

The Scientists At CRU were tools.
I want to know who is contoling these tools.
Al gore isn't smart enough to enngineer this.
He is a bumbling fool and also a tool. I am thinking they are regretting their choice of frontmen. Obama is even stupider than gore.
Who is pulling the strings?

Murray Wood's commentary today was ridiculous.

Actually if the media were ignoring it that would not have the dimensions and consequences.

The truth is being deliberately suppressed.

But then the MSM is as complicit as the creative book-keepers at CRU/IPCC. Expecting the MSM to report this is like expecting the SS and Gestapo to participate in a mutiny in 1944 against the Nazi government. Or the NKVD/KGB to overthrow Stalin.

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."
— White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, November 2008

See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMTNPXYu-Y&feature=player_embedded

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” — H.L. Mencken
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Mencken

Related: Obama's Copenhagen stopover
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/nov/26/copenhagen-barack-obama

http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/yournews/41112

Above is more from Dr Barber, now make sure you listen that he was in the Arctic in September on an Ice Breaker, the same one who cleared the NW Passage for the many tourists making the jaunt.

Imagine you keep moving an ice breaker through a path that you traversed earlier and you would expect to find what? A layer of ice overtop of broken ice perhaps?

Just another Canadian researcher trying to make a splash ahead of Copenhagen.

Saskwatch:

You may have a point there...

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/climategate-its-the-totalitarianism-stupid/

Climategate: It’s the Totalitarianism, Stupid

"A successful political machine has to have monopoly control over the media, and it must be able to corrupt or coerce all the centers of power — the cops, the courts, the drug mafias, the businesses, the rackets. That’s how the global warming conspiracy operated.

Global warming was a fraud, and it has now been exposed.

That little fraud would have cost the taxpayers of the world trillions of dollars, not to mention wrecking their economies with carbon taxes and penalties.

But that’s not even the worst of it. The most important take home lesson is that global frauding was the clear and conscious work of a political machine aiming to steal your money, your liberties, and your country. It was a massive, worldwide attempt at a coup d’etat, and the victims were going to include all the free and prosperous peoples of the world. Hitler had his Reichstag fire. Today’s transnational left had its global warming fraud. The political goal was exactly the same: maximum power through maximum fear.

Melanie Phillips, writing in the Spectator, has it exactly right in a column called “Green Totalitarianism”:

All the manipulation, distortion and suppression revealed by these emails took place because it would seem these scientists knew their belief was not only correct but unchallengeable; and so when faced with evidence that showed it was false, they tried every which way to make the data fit the prior agenda. And those who questioned that agenda themselves had to be airbrushed out of the record, because to question it was simply impossible. Only AGW zealots get to decide, apparently, what science is. Truth is what fits their ideological agenda. Anything else is to be expunged. … [W]hat we are dealing with here is the totalitarian personality. One thing is now absolutely clear for all to see about the anthropogenic global warming scam: science this is not."

Hoisting the "Jolly Roger" at a flagpole near you...

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Put this in a longer-term perspective of political science.

The Piltdown Man scam goes back nearly 100 years ago.

As I have posted here in the past, political scientists started corrupting the traditional mission of science, that is pursuit of the truth, for much longer than people realize.

Put it this way ... there's a reason the Theory of Evolution is still a theory; much in the same way Einstein's Theory of Relativity is still a theory.

The technique of the AGW politicials was to declare the science ‘settled' and then set about to control the information flow.

As the Wall Street Journal headline stated yesterday:
How to Forge a Consensus.

What has become apparent is the science really does not matter' what's important is to ‘progress' humanity.

Much blood was spilled in the Utopian political systems of the early 20th century that arose out of the early political scientists adaptation of Darwin's discoveries into warped totalitarian systems.

Survival of the fittest? Would that be the ruling elites who know better how to run our lives than we do.

Proveable science is incidental to these modern-age barbarians, who have no regard for human life and whose main mission is to exploit those they consider their inferiors.

Don't give up the fight!

The MSM has circled their wagons and will not let those pesky upstarts in the blogosphere penetrate their defenses. It's a become a farce that puts the fairy tale about the emperor's new clothes to shame.

BYW, my favourite scare story was this one:

Women hit hardest by climate change

set you free

over the top (and ridiculous) commentary such as yours does not HELP the cause, it gives the AGW crowd a legitimate to ridicule

the theory of evolution and relativity, and their "development", have nothing to do with this global warming farce, nor does the science used to develop them, nor the scientists that developed them

Steyn has coined the perfect name for the transnational enviro jihadis . .

"Tranzis"

has that nice totalitarian ring to it.

They know what is best for us so just lay back & enjoy it.

orvict: three letters - K, G, B.

Michael Mann of Penn State will I hope soon be Michael Mann, State Pen.

It's going to take a lot for these green tentacles to get weeded out of every part of our society. For crying out loud, I read a gardening magazine last year complaining how disastrous global warming would be to gardeners everywhere because the weeds would grow 10 times bigger. A gardening magazine!!!!! I can't escape the insanity!

So ridiculous!

I always thought that rotten ice was the last shady bit left in June where my dog does its thing.

it has happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRBWLpYCPY&feature=player_embedded#

GYM:

My point is that political scientists have been corrupting the pursuit of truth for much longer than people realize.

Not sure why you have a problem with that statement.

AGW is a fraud. How many other frauds are there not based on scientific fact, but rather are political constructs which cloak themselves in scientific legitimacy?

Piltdown Man is a totally legitimate example of a historical fraud perpetrated in an attempt to advance political science.

I'm sure you're intelligent enough to at least figure that out.

Here's Susan Riley in today's Ottawa Citizen:

"Meanwhile, climate-change deniers (if only they were right) continue their relentless campaign to protect polluting industries, emboldened by leaked e-mails purporting to show leading climate scientists making things sound worse than they are."

So there it is:

People who want to know the truth and expect scientists to behave in good faith are "deniers" -- like nuts who deny that the Holocaust ever happened.

They deny because they want to protect polluting industries.

No mention of the stacks of documents that were leaked, only of emails; and no effort to explain the utterly damning evidence that those emails (and documents) provide.

The "deniers" have been "emboldened" -- as though they're only engaged in a game of gotcha rather than opposed to the completely pointless upheaval of developed economies.

And the emails are only about scientists "purporting" to make things sound worse than they are. Nothing about attempts to destroy careers of people who don't agree, to block freedom of information requests on the flimsiest grounds, including through the illegal destruction of evidence, to obstruct the publication of conflicting articles by subverting the editorial process, to manufacture evidence to suit a predetermined conclusion ... and so on.

No, it's all about a bunch of slack-jawed deniers.

"Fred"'s joke about State Pen may show a Pennsylvania influence - both the main campus
of the Pennsylvania State University and the State Correctional Institute Rockview are located in Centre County, a few miles apart, and there are
stories of visitors to Penn State going to "State Pen". Pennsylvanians take crime and punishment seriously; it's not the best place in the US to break a major law. "State Pen" has the PA execution chamber, housed in a severe Neoclassical building of some architectural distinction
known as - the Execution Building.

The "global warming" nonsense may indeed be the
greatest scientific fraud ever. It is certainly
notable for the vicious attacks on anyone who
questions the received dogma. I'd rather argue
in public with Lenin than with these creatures.

The leadup to Copenhagen does
seem to be orchestrated.

SYF ...GYM doesn't get it. Save your energy.

Agreed about the lazy MSM:
Had to listen to Terry Milewski on CBC. (I always check the level of propaganda while driving)
He informed us that PMSH is known as a 'laggard'(shades of Fifer and the knuckldragging remark) as far as Climate change, and that PMSH must be 'feeling the pressure' and that is why he changed his mind about attending Copenhagen.
Funny that: the PPG continues to whine about PMSH not meeting with them, but they will continue to tell us how he 'feels'.Twits.
You are so right Kate. I was yelling at the radio.

Kate - actually, I believe it's Crichton, not Crighton.

Kate - actually, I believe it's Crichton, not Crighton.

bluetech:

I'm going to our local MP's Christmas Party tonight and will bring up this topic.

Here's the problem. Since he is a politician, there's a danger that he may just go along with the New World Order project which incoming EU president Rumpey said this was all about.

One more reason to like Harper, though.

I get the sense that he, like us, will not be sucked in by this latest political science fraud.

Crichton's "State of Fear" started with a few 'unexplained murders'.

For that reason alone I hope the hackers/informers come forward soon...for their own good.

AGW Stamping Feet Stampede.

"*Einstein did not start his research career at Princeton, but rather at a post office."

O's legacy is Gaia's legacy:

"This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."

"*Hi Dr. Curry,

I am a young climate researcher (just received my master’s degree from xxx University) and have been very troubled by the emails that were released from CRU. I just want to applaud and support your response on climateaudit.org [95% of it :) ]. Your statement represents exactly how I have felt as I slowly enter this community. The content of some of the emails literally made me stop and wonder if I should continue with my PhD applications for fall 2010, in this science. I was so troubled by how our fellow scientists within the climate community have been dealing with opposing voices (on both sides). I hope we can all learn from this and truly feel that we are going to need voices like yours to fix these problems in the coming months and years."
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"*An open letter to graduate students and young scientists in fields related to climate research from Dr. Judith Curry regarding hacked CRU emails
November 27, 2009

I have known Dr. Judith Curry, Chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, for many years. I have interviewed her a number of times and quoted her work on the hurricane-warming connection at length for my 2006 book, “Hell and High Water: Global Warming — the Solution and the Politics.” Later, I spent a day giving talks with her in various Florida cities. She is a first rate scientist (CV here) and someone I have great respect for. Her past public statements and articles on climate change can be found here. As is the case with other guest bloggers on CP, I do not agree with everything she writes here. But the hacked CRU emails raise important issues, I believe scientists should keep maintaining considerably higher standards than their critics, and I think her views deserve to be read and debated widely. Comments are greatly desired, as always.

­An open letter to graduate students and young scientists in fields related to climate research

Based upon feedback that I’ve received from graduate students at Georgia Tech, I suspect that you are confused, troubled, or worried by what you have been reading about ClimateGate and the contents of the hacked CRU emails. After spending considerable time reading the hacked emails and other posts in the blogosphere, I wrote an essay that calls for greater transparency in climate data and other methods used in climate research. The essay is posted over at climateaudit.org (you can read it at http://camirror.wordpress.com/ 2009/ 11/ 22/ curry-on-the-credibility-of-climate-research/ ).

What has been noticeably absent so far in the ClimateGate discussion is a public reaffirmation by climate researchers of our basic research values: the rigors of the scientific method (including reproducibility), research integrity and ethics, open minds, and critical thinking. Under no circumstances should we ever sacrifice any of these values; the CRU emails, however, appear to violate them.

My motivation for communicating on this issue in the blogosphere comes from emails that I received from Georgia Tech graduate students and alums. As a result of my post on climateaudit, I started receiving emails from graduate students from other universities. I post the content of one of the emails here, without reference to the student’s name or institution:" (more)

http://climateprogress.org/2009/11/27/%C2%AD-climategate-judith-curry-open-letter-to-graduate-students-young-scientists-climate-research-hacked-cru-emails/#more-14631

You can't be labeled a "denier" unless there is verifiable evidence for the fact being denied. If Susan Riley has verifiable evidence for man-made global warming then she should, for once in her career as a drive-by smear journalist, either put up or sfu.

susan riley is right!!! i did indeed wake up feeling rather, um, er, ah...emboldened...this morning

I want to beat up all the CRU liars.

Riley is the biggest socialist shill to ever "grace" the pages of a newspaper. I've been tempted many times to cancel my subscription because of some vitriolic swill she's printed...maybe now is the time...

Susan Riley's credibility was shot a long time ago.

Being on the wrong side of history on this issue will only confirm the irrelevance of her political stance.

If anybody has her email address, perhaps it is time she became aware of a few facts.

Try to be dignified in the way you present the facts.

The Red-Green blood runs from Gaia's nose, eyes, ears ....

The anthropogenic idol has fallen and is dying the death of the proverbial ragdoll.

Bury Gaia deep in the ash heap of history with the MSM dinosaur.

All of this before your eyes; on the internet.
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"UEA Climate Scientist: “possible that…I.P.C.C. has run its course”
27 11 2009

This is a surprise. Professor Mike Hulme of the University of East Anglia suggests that the “I.P.C.C. has run its course”. I agree with him. We really need to remove a wholly political organization, the United Nations, from science."

"Republished from New York Times Reporter Andrew Revkin’s Dot Earth:

Dot Earth: Insights from Mike Hulme at the University of East Anglia, which was the source of the disclosed files. Hulme, a climate scientist at the University of East Anglia and author of “ Why We Disagree About Climate Change,” has weighed in with these thoughts about the significance of the leaked files and emails. In November 2009, Hulme was listed as “the 10th most cited author in the world in the field of climate change, between 1999 and 2009. (ScienceWatch, Nov/Dec 2009, see Table 2).

Hulme Key Excerpt:

[Upcoming UN climate conference in Copenhagen] “is about raw politics, not about the politics of science. [...] It is possible that climate science has become too partisan, too centralized. The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures; it is not attractive when we find it at work inside science. It is also possible that the institutional innovation that has been the I.P.C.C. has run its course. Yes, there will be an AR5 but for what purpose? The I.P.C.C. itself, through its structural tendency to politicize climate change science, has perhaps helped to foster a more authoritarian and exclusive form of knowledge production – just at a time when a globalizing and wired cosmopolitan culture is demanding of science something much more open and inclusive.

Full Hulme Statement:

The key lesson to be learned is that not only must scientific knowledge about climate change be publicly owned — the I.P.C.C. does a fairly good job of this according to its own terms — but the very practices of scientific enquiry must also be publicly owned, in the sense of being open and trusted. From outside, and even to the neutral, the attitudes revealed in the emails do not look good. To those with bigger axes to grind it is just what they wanted to find.

This will blow its course soon in the conventional media without making too much difference to Copenhagen — after all, COP15 is about raw politics, not about the politics of science. But in the Internet worlds of deliberation and in the ‘mood’ of public debate about the trustworthiness of climate science, the reverberations of this episode will live on long beyond COP15. Climate scientists will have to work harder to earn the warranted trust of the public – and maybe that is no bad thing.

But this episode might signify something more in the unfolding story of climate change. This event might signal a crack that allows for processes of re-structuring scientific knowledge about climate change." (more)

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/uea-climate-scientist-possible-that-i-p-c-c-has-run-its-course/

Susan Riley is like one of those outside listening to a rant...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VRBWLpYCPY&feature=player_embedded#

More on NIWA's chicanery:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/more-on-the-niwa-new-zealand-data-adjustment-story/#more-13287

"Here’s the rub. Up until 1927, temperatures for Wellington had been taken at Thorndon, only 3 m above sea level and an inner-city suburb. That station closed and, as I suspected in my earlier post, there is no overlap data allowing a comparison between Thorndon and Kelburn, where the gauge moved, at an altitude of 135 metres.

With no overlap of continuous temperature readings from both sites, there is no way to truly know how temperatures should be properly adjusted to compensate for the location shift.

Wratt told Investigate earlier there was international agreement on how to make temperature adjustments, and in the news release tonight he elaborates on that:

“Thus, if one measurement station is closed (or data missing for a period), it is acceptable to replace it with another nearby site provided an adjustment is made to the average temperature difference between the sites.”

Except, except, it all hinges on the quality of the reasoning that goes into making that adjustment. If it were me, I would have slung up a temperature station in the disused location again and worked out over a year the average offset between Thorndon and Kelburn. It’s not perfect, after all we are talking about a switch in 1928, but it would be something. But NIWA didn’t do that."

Massaging data with carefree abandon...

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

A new word for our vocabulary:
"ClimaTautology"
(n) The practice of relating every extreme weather event to Climate Change, in order to create fear and/or secure funding.

"ClimaTautologist"
(n) A practitioner of ClimaTautology.

Tautology [in Logic]:
a. a compound propositional form all of whose instances are true, as “A or not A.”
b. an instance of such a form, as “This candidate will win or will not win.”

Al Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing
Over at DOOM daily.

Well as someone who has worked on and drilled through the ice on the Beaufort Sea I call BS on David Barker, if things were as he imagines them to be we could work yr round up there but the fact is the ice melts and the arctic is freakin hot during summer.

Well as someone who has worked on and drilled through the ice on the Beaufort Sea I call BS on David Barker, if things were as he imagines them to be we could work yr round up there but the fact is the ice melts and the arctic is freakin hot during summer.

Al Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing
Over at DOOM daily.

Actually Science has never been the Unvarnished Seeker of Truth. It has since, Eve ate the apple, been the private domain of the private individual and that private individual's fellow travelers. The only part that concerns me is when one group triumphs over society as a whole leaving in it wake societal chaos.

Of course the difference with AGW is that there was never any "science" involved. It has been entirely based on Speculation. Speculation is the only explanation that fits the attempted use of tree rings, ice cores, swamp sediments etc to indicate past temperatures.

Joe:

Really? Science has never been the unvarnished seeker of truth?

Never?

That's quite a statement.

Orvict.
When I was a lad, I well remember Nikita Krushchev hammering his shoe on the podium of the United Nations promising the US and other democratic countries that "We will bury you!"
His clarion call was picked up by world socialists everywhere. Despite the fact the USSR
collapsed from the rot within, these fanatics didn't change their tune.
THEY are the ones who are behind this scam and the useful idiots like Gore and Suzuki are their dupes.
If they are successful these climate change cocksu...er...fellators will be still living in their western dachas and shopping at elite stores that offer prime goods while you and I will be standing in line for a loaf of stale bread.

Orvict, Aaron -- I thought Soros, Mo Strong, Rockefeller, -- probably a small clique of one-world government types - and with access to tons of money.

I agree with people about Riley -- she is very closed minded. I think she is incapable of adapting her views based on new information.

"Al gore isn't smart enough to enngineer this."

No, but George Soros and his fellow travellers ARE.

“Global warming is man made, all right. It’s made by men in lab coats who angle for government grants by fudging the data. “ Stolen from the comments over at Maggies Farm'

dmorris:

This isn’t just a smoking gun, it’s a siege cannon with the barrel still hot.

And of course every war requires its financiers and backers.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

The more time I spend analyzing this issue, the closer I come to the conclusion that the main problem with the computer climate models is that they try to cover far too many bases. Over time, the data base becomes too unwieldy to make sense, so "massaging" it becomes essential.

It's one thing to graph temperature readings for one weather station at one elevation over time, and then overlay this graph with ones from other stations, but when you start trying to create one graph using data from thousands of stations all at different elevations all over the bloody planet, it's no surprise that you run into grief. It's like hoping that you can create a five-second sound bite that conveys the complete meaning of a two-hour documentary.

The grief gets compounded when stations move or find themselves surrounded by suburbs over time. Are the changes in readings merely a consequence of changes to their surroundings, or an indication of some actual cooling or warming trend? Then there are stations that cease to exist. This creates "gaps" in the data. So what do you do about that? Extrapolate from other stations or just forget about them? It's tempting to employ "tricks" to create common denominators where none actually exist.

Rather than question the usefulness of the whole bloated enterprise, the people at the CRU seem to have opted to stack complexity upon complexity and employ confusing mathematical formulas to try and sort out the truth. What the hacked emails indicate is that the whole process got so frustrating and convoluted that someone decided it was time to expose the whole sordid process.

These climate models remind me of econometric models that purport to gauge the effects of various kinds of tax or fiscal policies upon the state of the government's finances or the whole economy. These models wind up trying to compare things for which there is no common denominator, and invariably wind up being completely wrong. Their purpose is merely to generate talking points for politicians to promote one policy or another; the fact that these predictions usually wind up being wildly inaccurate over time is rarely mentioned.

Similarly, the purpose of the climate "models" is to provide politicians with a talking point with which to advance some broader political agenda. And if they shower the right academics with sufficient grant money, they will get the talking points they need.

"Riley is the biggest socialist shill to ever "grace" the pages of a newspaper. I've been tempted many times to cancel my subscription because of some vitriolic swill she's printed"

I cancelled my subscription to the StarPhoenix because they had a nasty habit of featuring her "work" on occaision. She is indeed a loathsome creature.

"Murray Wood's commentary today was ridiculous."

Wood has shown some common sense on issues such as gun control. However, he gets quite touchy and shifts into stupid mode when someone criticizes the MSM.

Exactly
Just started to pair up names, Different societies, corporations and organizations, and googling.
They seem to be an incestous bunch.

I believe LindaL and dmorris have it right. These guys are an extension of the Fabian society. Some think that the Bolsheviks, and by extension the KGB, were just being used by the Fabians. I used to think that this was nonsense, but now am not so sure. Suzuki and Gore et al are just front man flunkies. You can include the Susan Riley types in the latter category.

Still not a word about this in the Globe. Or CBC .. did the Red Star write anything about climate gate?

No Kate.....you've woken up in a George Orwell novel.

My greatest fear is that PM Harper will go "with the floe" in Copenhagen and fark Canada for the foreseeable future. That leaves conservative thinking voters with nobody to vote for come next election.

I can't help but compare this to Ezra Levants ordeal with the HRC.
MSM trying to keep the lid on as it goes viral on the internet.
Dig people dig. Google is easy.
Identify the players, lift the rocks.
If you don't know who the likes of george soros, Mo strong are tou should educate your self. The connections of maurice strong to the past liberal governments alone is staggering.

GOOGLE NEIN, BING YES:
I just experimented- typed in CLIMATEGATE ON GOOGLE Website-Nada, Nada on thei list.
Then on to Bing: BINGO: comes up second on the list.

GOOGLE NEIN, BING YES:
I just experimented- typed in CLIMATEGATE ON GOOGLE Website-Nada, Nada on thei list.
Then on to Bing: BINGO: comes up second on the list.

Tried bing and only got 3 day old stale results.

Climategate – perpetrators, perpetuators, by-standers and victims.
A good summary over at examiner.com

'Speculation is the only explanation that fits the attempted use of tree rings, ice cores, swamp sediments etc to indicate past temperatures.'

Yup, 'stamp collecting', to quote Ernest Rutherford.

I feel as though I've woken up inside a Michael Crichton novel.

I know what you mean. It's evolution.

Galápagos - Kurt Vonnegut:
...that all the sorrows of humankind were caused by "the only true villain in my story: the oversized human brain". Fortunately, natural selection eliminates this problem, since the humans best fitted to Santa Rosalía were those who could swim best, which required a streamlined head, which in turn required a smaller brain size.

Did you ever notice that so called news sites that like to trumpet this AGW garbage never have a comments section? Just an observation.

Warren...cbc.ca has a really important story on the pregnant pipe fish...really, and they are allowing comments there...
Perhaps we could dump a few headspinners in the comment section there....

We gotta keep shaking this tree to see what falls out, then rip it out by the roots and examine what lies there.

Some Guy in a boat...

Research involves
Doing field and theoretical research to expand scientific knowledge of the effects of global warming on sea ice in the Arctic, and to develop more effective tools to predict, and deal with, its potentially harmful effects.
Research relevance
Helping protect Canada's Arctic environment for future generations.
Protecting Our Polar Populations

Every day, new newspaper headlines around the world warn us about the potential impacts of global warming on our environment. The polar regions are widely predicted to be the first, and most severely, affected. More scientific research is needed, however, to improve our knowledge and understanding of the challenges of global warming.

Is he right or is he wrong?

Or is he just conveniently greasing the wheels on the research funding machine?

he he, went over to the young greens and left them a comment.

guys,

CRU ****ED UP YOUR CRISIS!

ask Liz to explain.

useless of course, but gave me a giggle for today.

Is he right or is he wrong? Or is he just conveniently greasing the wheels on the research funding machine?

Precisely. If the peer review process is corrupt, then nothing that is issued in a scientific journal can be considered untainted.

WUWT?
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"Climategate protester pawns CBC on live TV
27 11 2009

How interesting that it has now risen to this level. Climategate? Quel Climategate?"

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/27/climategate-protester-pawns-cbc-on-live-tv/#more-13297

life was soooo simple when a nice little " lier lier pants on fire " would shut them twits up for a good long time.

The more time I spend analyzing this issue, the closer I come to the conclusion that the main problem with the computer climate models is that they try to cover far too many bases.
~Dennis

Nah, the computer models were never anything more than hopped up Nintendo games designed to aid the Flim Flam Mann.

Just a visual aid to sell the con, the electronic version of the actor in the lab coat in the TV commercial selling you patent medicine that doesn't work.

CBC and the Munk debates. 26 comments and the discussion is closed.

How low will their credibility go.

Of course, our esteemed professor never gave his co-ordinates or GPS track of his 'rotten ice'....

If he is such a brilliant fellow, why didn't he show where he went excatly? If he was traversing along the edge of the ice flow, is it any surprise that he was going thru immature ice? Or, as previously mentioned, through a track of ice that had already been 'shipped'?

As well, for somebody SO educated, he might also realize that the ice pack moves, and rotates with current and wind. Therefore, whatever he was looking at in terms of satellite imagery, may not have coincided with his location.

Again, the lack of details he gave is staggering.

If the ship had of been travelling due north, towards the pole, there might be some credence given to him. As is, he certainly didn't make that claim.

"Trust me, I'm a scientist!"

The IPCC claims Climategate in no way undermines the the credibility of their findings. But follow their logic: they claim that "The entire report writing process of the IPCC is subjected to extensive and repeated review. There is, therefore, no possibility of exclusion of any contrarian views, if they have been published in established journals or other publications which are peer reviewed." So it looks like their entire case for AGW now rests on the fact that all of their articles are peer reviewed, and any contrary evidence will only be considered if it too is peer reviewed. I think it's time to get the few members of the MSM who will report about this to focus on the hijacking of the entire peer review process. Topple the peer-review pillar, which we now know is faulty, and their whole argument comes crashing down.

It's important to bear in mind that Mann's "reconstructions" are somewhat misnamed, since as pointed out by the authors of "Taken by Storm" they are in fact, constructions i.e. there is no gold standard set of temperature records to which their proxy results can be compared. Since no one was around compiling temperature records with thermometers for most of the period over which Mann's graphs run they are utterly unverifiable with respect to their accuracy -- especially not to within the arbitrarily chosen confidence interval displayed. In short, they are guesses -- educated guesses (although now even that appears to be in grave doubt) but guesses none the less.

"Al Gore Flees in Panic from Chicago Book Signing
Over at DOOM daily.

Posted by: orvict at November 27, 2009 5:16 PM "

got a link??? some of us know doom only as a p**spoor game!

http://www.topix.com/who/al-gore/2009/11/gore-flees-in-panic-from-chicago-book-signing
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2395260/posts

Who you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes? Give me your money.

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/12520

ooops

post above is the link that Doom referred to in it's post

The esteemed perfesser is pretty good at the grant game.

PERSONAL DATA FORM: David G. Barber. Ph.D.

FUNDING: 142 Grants for a total of $17,428,376 (1993-present)2006

http://web.mac.com/barber1818/iWeb/D.G.Barber/Welcome_files/Barber_CV_3pages.pdf

set you free wrote: "The Piltdown Man scam goes back nearly 100 years ago."

Don't forget the Cardiff Giant, another famous hoax:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant

"The Cardiff Giant was one of the most famous hoaxes in U.S. history. It was a 10-foot (3.0 m)-tall purported "petrified man" uncovered on October 16, 1869 by workers digging a well behind the barn of William C. "Stub" Newell in Cardiff, New York. Both it and an unauthorized copy made by P.T. Barnum are still on display."

[...]

"The Cardiff Giant appeared in the 1901 Pan-American Exposition but did not attract much attention. An Iowa publisher bought it later to adorn his basement rumpus room as a coffee table and conversation piece. In 1947 he sold it to the Farmers' Museum in Cooperstown, New York, where it is still on display."

"the difference with AGW is that there was never any "science" involved. It has been entirely based on Speculation."

Actually, if you read some of Chrichton's writing, you'll see that he says, "speculation...

Oh nevermind, found it:

http://www.michaelcrichton.net/speech-whyspeculate.html