Of course the Constitution says we are supposed to get "Peace, Order and Good Government".

Alternatively, you can get delivered War, Chaos, and Bad Government.

Although, I might not leap to the conclusion that Kathy Shaidle's assessment that "Canada Sucks"; I would suggest that some of the people running it suck.

On the other hand maybe the administration of Canada is like a vacuum cleaner.

They suck at your wallet in delivering "Peace, Order and Good Government", but are expert at 'blowing your money'.

There you have it, the government sucks and blows at the same time!

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

the propaganda: police treat all equally

the reality: they are EXTREMELY selective in which groups and individuals are charged with anything.

what to do?

I *constantly* point out their shortcomings and failings throughout the blogosphere and official and unofficial circles.

local cops have refused to tell me where I am supposed to cycle without getting run over by a drunken cell phone yapper or fined for being on the sidewalk. they utterly and completely and permanently have refused to give a CLEAR answer to that question.

I was up in Caledonia a few times over the summer visiting a good friend. Conversation turned to the land claim issues there and he came out with something. He says that the real issue behind all of this is a casino. The Natives want to put a casino on the disputed lands but nobody is mentioning a casino in any of the talks I've heard about. Now my pal is no fool and he has lots of connections who feed him information so I'm inclined to believe him. Has anybody else heard any casino rumours?

Mobsters, Mohawks and bikers using smuggling revenues to build a casino. What could possibly go wrong?

Thanks for the link, Kate. :)

There is a -tremendous- amount of money at play in this Caledonia DCE situation, and it is tightly entangled with the cigarette smuggling down in Cornwall. Same players, same PC politics.

This court case is very important, because it reveals the intentions of the provincial government to close scrutiny. The crown in this case is going to go after the complainants like wolves on a pair of chickens. They are determined that citizens have no rights and shall bloody well do as they are told while the Big Boys decide what's good for them.

Currently what has been decided is that Indian (but not White!) criminals shall be free to set up an illegal smoke shack on your front lawn. Oh, and btw they can kick your ass if you object too loudly. Then you get arrested as well. For disturbing the "peace". That's the Peace part in "Peace, Order and Good Government" we keep hearing about.

Just so we all know what's at stake here.

Equal under the law.

Ya right.

This is racism . . . so where are all the activists, progressives and civil libertarians ? This is racism they can support, that they like, that they promote.

The government can fix this if they so desire.

It's easier to fight over jurisdiction, and kill time. The police get overtime, the lawyers and 'negotiators' get their per diem (hi there Jane Stewart - got your kids their own cottage on the lake yet?), and the civil servants get back to writing reports.

Just give the federal & provincial government their tax money, and shut the f*ck up.

Silly people.

Kudos to Christie Blatchford, one of the very best in the business.
And to Kathy Shaidle, and to Kate at SDA of course!

Here is where MSM in Canada lacks integrity........
the Caledonia issue should be the subject of Globe & Mail editorials, FRONT PAGE, ABOVE THE FOLD, Christie cannot carry the day alone!!!

Rip Dalton a new one for his spineless, no gonads handling of a rotting situation.

And as far as First nations are concerned they might consider doing something worthwhile such as erecting and operating world class Health Imaging for profit clinics on their contested soil rather than dealing in illegal cigarettes or casinos for that matter.

> Tactical stop with shotgun

How do you like government that intimidates people into silence with shotgun? And you still think you are morally superior to Putin?

What will the CBC report on this?
Nothing.
But they will broadcast yet another re-run of "One Dead Indian".
I miss Mike Harris.

As someone not from the centre of the urinalverse, I am somewhat surprised that standoff/fiasco is still going on. Mind you, I'm sure the MSM doesn't report daily on the progress of this intents situation.

Kudos to the First Nations for kicking the lily white butts of Euro trash. From Scots to Croats, nobody is immune!

Christie, Kathy and Kate should be embarrassed as hell to sit on their fat asses keyboarding away in the hope that some miracle is going to happen. You call Obama the big zero when in reality the 3 of you are really the big zeros.

not stirred enough (which IMO refers to a frontal lobotomy gone bad), you are not fit to breathe the same air as Christine, Kate, and Kathy.

My, my, somebody is off their meds today.

Of course stirred forgets that the big "0" is supposed to be the President of the US and as such has the power and authority to do stuff... he just hasn't.

God I love Christie Blatchford; not only is she so honest, she's so bloody human and makes no attempt to hide her flaws, out there for the world to see. Never did figure out why she left the N.P. and return to the G&M. Not stirred enough needs to be shaken, wish he'd go live with the gangsters out in Caledonia. Useful idiot they'd call him.

Texas and Ed,

There are those that do and then there are those that sit back at a safe distance commenting and complaining.

What group are you in?

I have lived in just about every corner of the world and love this country from the bottom of my heart, but I have to admit this is one issue where we are completely getting bent over.

How much can we keep giving the first nations before we are even for "stealing" their land?

"Rip Dalton a new one for his spineless, no gonads handling of a rotting situation."

I'd like to believe that this sort of crap can only happen in McSquinty's Ontaristan.

But I don't really trust the other Canadian provincial premiers enough to place a casino bet on that.

Dude, without white people who would fly the planes? Who will pay the basketball players? Who will employ the Mexicans? Who will buy rap music? Who will black guys date once they "get on"($$)? Who will make decent movies? Who will watch Oprah? Who will write books? Who will donate to charity? Who will care about the planet? Who will work and pay the bills? Who will everyone blame?

Yeah, what Homez said!!!!

Who will not get a job cus he is the wrong colour?(white is a colour, isn't it?)

NSE, the natives have not kicked the euro-white-trash butts, they have intimidated the shit out of their neighbours, been very disrespectful and are not willing to admit that they have been screwed over by their whiskey loving forefathers. The lands and rights they are now without were traded away, under duress, inebriation or gunpoint and they are living under those deals now.

I would be angry too, but we all live in the society which we have, the good, the bad and the ugly of it. By stomping their feet with closed fists and holding their breath until the Brinks trucks keep dropping the money bags off at the local Indian band's office, it isn't working any longer(oh wait, it still does work that way...my bad!).

There are some awful things that have happened in the past, but the present is reaping the whirlwind of those decisions made well before our time. We have PC loving history re-writers with mostly socialist leanings attempting to heap guilt on the masses and level the playing feild, so we are all stuck in the mud together, equality for all.

You have taken the hook, line and sinker of these turncoats and they are reeling you in like bloated dead fish. Enjoy the ride!!!

local cops have refused to tell me where I am supposed to cycle without getting run over by a drunken cell phone yapper or fined for being on the sidewalk. they utterly and completely and permanently have refused to give a CLEAR answer to that question.

Posted by: curious_george at November 17, 2009 11:57 AM
Oh my,I fell your pain,georgy boy. Your plight is right up there with the people of Caledonia. Soldier on brave lad.

hey not stirred, count me in the group that does. Now would you please post your address?

Here's a tidbit for the SDA audience.
When Caledonia first started the OPP Commissioner was Gwen Boniface. Did I mention she has a native heritage? If any of you are interested google Gwen Boniface OPP native and as my friend has said "be prepared to be pissed off".

Gord, having lived within spitting distance of the Douglas Creek Estates (RIP) when this all went down, I too have heard about the planned casino. The infrastructure is already there as the properties were fully serviced before the Indians decided to invade. Other than some upgrades in electrical power to accomodate a commercial facility, it's good to go.

For a definitive answer to your question, give one Peter Montour a call. If he isn't at home, call him at his cigarette manufacturing facility,
Grand River Enterprises. I believe it's listed under Oshweken in the phone book.
Good Luck!

Aaron, you notice it didn't shut me up, right? Not on the day of, not today. Takes more than that, let me tell you. I'm not some superman either, we're just like that around here.

Its making life interesting though. Keeping my papers current, you may be sure.

"There are those that do and then there are those that sit back at a safe distance commenting and complaining."

So,NSE,what are you suggesting, that the gentlemen named take up arms and go attack the Heroes of Caledonia?

Apart from writing your MPP,MLA,or MP,there IS little one can do to force the government of the day to enforce the laws THEY made,so we bitch at a distance.

Do you have a better idea? If so, let's hear it.

Lets not forget it was the Indians that gave the world that cursed weed-TOBACCO.
For that alone they should be punished for all eternity!

I'm encouraged to see at least one Toronto paper publish this trial. It typifies the repugnant underbelly of politically corrected policing and public policy which has destroyed Caledonia's community and undermined police repute.

Cynical public policy directives steering police actions (in place of what the law demands) has taken our society to the point of dysfunction. Caledonia is just an example of the type of perverse policing we can expect in times of civil unrest or turmoil - always attack the innocent, control and intimidate them and avoid direct confrontation with any organized criminal elements that hide within minority communities.

This same politically corrected policing mentality is the same civil psychosis that has made TO into a crack gangster war zone in which law abiding sportsmen are oppressed for owning a Duck gun while the gang bangers down town shoot the place up with illegal smuggled hand guns right under the Cops noses. We mustn't profile, even if the profile is self evident --so the gangstas get free basketball courts and preferential bail conditions, sporting goods stores and duck hunters are run out of town - always intimidate the law abiding and appease the criminal.

This established pattern makes you realize the ideologue elite running our society are functionally insane and their social policies, which we see embodied in politically corrected policing, are also insane. They have made us a dysfunctional society -- one in which the law abiding are treated like latent criminals and intimidated and oppressed by police while the violent criminal element is catered to.

Why is it that first nations seem to always adopt the worst aspects of Western culture: excess booze, smuggling, gambling, selling in the black market, corrupt government, extortion, etc. You name it, they do it.

Does the term Zimbabwe have any meaning to the Canadian government?

I first read about this on Angry in the Great White North, my initial and surprised foray into conservative Canadian politics.

Incidents of that nature won't happen in a flyover state. If law enforcement doesn't take matters in hand, the locals will and we're better armed.

In California on the other hand...After being center-punched by an undocumented and uninsured illegal in San Francisco, the city cop took the woman aside to console her while I surveyed the wreckage of my beautiful Camaro.

Furthermore, if their delicate sensibilities were overcome by the squeal of tires, they should stay out of the way during my daily commute.

Oh my,I fell your pain,georgy boy. Your plight is right up there with the people of Caledonia. Soldier on brave lad.
Posted by: wallyj at November 17, 2009 2:10 PM"

well wallyworld, that's just my personal experience.

on the other hand, twice now the local cops have had million dollar lawsuits dropped in their lap. the first one for beating an retired naval officer philanthropist senseless and the current one filed by one of their *own* for racial profiling.

not to mention the trigger happy one that shot up a whole neighborhood in pursuit of a smash and grab artist.

not to mention the previous chief that got fired for fudging his expense account. feel free to google any of this.

cops nowadays are utter asswipes.

Kudos to the First Nations for kicking the lily white butts of Euro trash.

To a sane person, it sounds more like criminals engaging in crimes.

Glad to see you're outing yourself as a big fan of crime, lowlife.

Kudos to the First Nations for kicking the lily white butts of Euro trash.

The indians of Caledonia moved to Ontario from New York state. Not that any North American indians are "first" anyway; South American indians made their way through NA much earlier, without compensation.

Funny comments.

This is the 1st of 17 suits coming to the government. Abdication of responsibility by Prentice is next.

And for those of you moaning about Dullard McSquinty, y'all seem to have forgotten that 'Indians' are a federal matter (hence the fact they ponied up - with your tax money - to pay for the land and partial costs of policing).

While both levels of government have been at fault here, your beloved Cons are f*cking you down the river as fast as anything Dullard would (or wouldn't) do.

As always, the lone conservative party war room operative was able to distract everyone into a p*ssing match that's worthy of Question Period.

Meanwhile, Canadian citizens keep getting screwed by their governments. Not simply economically, but to actually prevent the safeguarding of one's home and property.

People get the government they deserve.

Winston Smith - So angry! So cynical! I like that, if that kind of feeling spreads we could have a revolt on our hands! As I said, I like that.

"The indians of Caledonia moved to Ontario from New York state.."

That would be the Mohawks. They fought for England vs the US and were given land by the Queen (hence the derogatory term "Queens own Indians") Other tribes were here most notably the Mississaugas of the Credit which did own the land the Mohawks claim as there own. The sad part of this whole thing is that most of the local Indians don't like or support the Mohawks but end up getting lumped in with them.

This is absurd. Bullies and thugs have no place in Canada. This isn't Pakistan (nor Sparta). If the police refused to act in Caledonia, one could assume "white guilt", cowardice or incompetence. At the end of the day, it's political correctness and it smells rotten.

"There are those that do and then there are those that sit back at a safe distance commenting and complaining.

What group are you in?"

Unfortunatly, even when my long guns become legal again, I would be arrested for dismantling an illegal blockade. The system sucks big time so I'm saving my money from the lawyers and padding my retirement nest.

What are the rights to self-defence in a case like this? If someone attacked me, would I have the right to fight them off with my registered, licenced and unrestricted firearm? Unloaded until the point of conflict, of course. If so, I wouldn't mind vacationing in Caledonia...

I note the tolerance and diversity crowd aka Liberals are rather mute on this issue? I guess if you are being persecuted by a group of thugs it's okay if their skin is the right hue. Can you image a group of bible thumpers getting away with illegal and unethical behavior. Dalton hasn't met a group of radical thugs he doesn't like, the Tamils are above the law the natives are above the law. Jamacian gangs above the law, where does the liberal pandering end? Rule of law seems to be applicable only if the MSM edicts it?

I hope he wins and I hope the Libs have to pay through the nose, sadly it's the taxpayer who'll cough up any damages it should be the Ontario Liberal Party who pays out any damages. No police force should be under the control of a political party, the law is suppose to be upheld regardless of skin color. Is it time to elected those who lead our police agencies, it's the only way to stop the two tiered legal system that exists in Canada currently.

[quote]Kudos to the First Nations for kicking the lily white butts of Euro trash. From Scots to Croats, nobody is immune![/quote] NSE

You are almost right...The Indians are refusing to roll over to the Government...The White butts have allowed thier rights to be taken without a whimper....It is the refusal of the Indians to become Slaves to an unfair taxation (cigarettes) scheme that goads those with mindless agendas.

The White majority that have given up to the (Socialist) “Social Engineering” agenda...The Indians are holding out.

This is when we all switch sides

The sad thing about this whole mess is that this is a civil case so no matter who wins, we the taxpayers and citizens lose. If the Plaintiffs are successful, the award comes out of our taxes and probably no change to the chaos in Caledonia. If the Province and OPP win, we see their gutless policies validated.

A recent news story stated that Canada is considered the least corrupt in the Americas. Clearly no one has told them about Caledonia. Apart from P.E.I., I can't see why this can't happen in every province.

Though to be fair, the local street gangs are all aboriginal. I don't know why the Mennonite and Ukrainian street gangs don't complain about such discrimination to the Human Rights Commission.

When the gangsters are arrested(gently) and convicted(sometimes) they do get sent to a special federal jail called a Healing Lodge.

When the gov't./police selectively enforce the law and the citizenry are prohibited from doing so, even in self-defense, our government is becoming the kind our ancestors fought, bled and died to save us from.

"Winston Smith - So angry! So cynical! I like that, if that kind of feeling spreads we could have a revolt on our hands! As I said, I like that.

Not angry - motivated and vigilant.

Revolts fail because they are angry, violent and futile - Caledonia was a violent revolt driven by the criminal element and fed by unintelligent hot heads. - it has, in pith and substance, failed setting 6 nations 'cause' back years and critically damaging their validity.

Revolutions to regain freedoms and justice succeed. These days successful Revolutions occur in our political and legal institutions, courts and pubic arena. In that regard Ontaristan's old guard social engineering elite are losing and their puppets like McGuinty will not only be turfed from office for their many dysfunctional policies, agendas and motives, but they will be held in wide public distrust.

Meanwhile the populist revolution grows and spreads to other jurisdictions plagued with civil dysfunction due to utopian-elitist perversion of public policy and the rule of law. Every time a citizen takes errant,bullying agenda driven cops, politicos or governments to court for abandonment of their constitutional duties of office, the revolution expands.

Hardboiled and others.
In this instance, the entire issue rests with the Provincial government. The Indians complaint is wholly with the interpretation of documents registered and filed with the Land Titles Office.
The Feds have no dog in this hunt and the Indians recognize that.
After saying that, you can be assured that if the courts rule against them, they will first demand that their "oral history" takes precedence over
written documentation. If that doesn't work, they'll resort to more violence and ultimately get their way because the Government has NO guts to enforce the law of the land.
Just take a look at Ipperwash for confirmation of that.

The truly pathetic thing is how gutless these "warriors" are in their pretend army clothes and attitudes. Any real resistance would send them running for cover. Of course, that would likely destroy their rebel image in the eyes of the usual PC crowd.
It's laughable to refer to them as kicking anybody's butt; they're an stupid, cowardly mob. Fortunately for them, that's all it takes to push cops around these days and I'm no longer interested in the excuses about keeping the peace.

Indian Mafia! I feel for the people of Caledonia. I became friends with the man that had the swastika painted on his home.(freehold land) The OPP have failed to protect Canadian citizens on freehold land. It is important to remember that the land the that Brown & Chatwell
home is freehold land. It does not sit on reserve land, if the OPP can not protect Caledonia then it is time to bring in the Army. RCMP would be just as pathetic as the OPP. McGuinty on the news last week, said he wasn't familiar with this case before the courts. All I can say is: What a frick'n liar.

Kudos to the First Nations for kicking the lily white butts of Euro trash. From Scots to Croats, nobody is immune!

Christie, Kathy and Kate should be embarrassed as hell to sit on their fat asses keyboarding away in the hope that some miracle is going to happen. You call Obama the big zero when in reality the 3 of you are really the big zeros.

Posted by: not stirred enough said at November 17, 2009 1:19 PM
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NSE , not to go Dr. Phil on you and all, but me thinks you have made some bad choices in your life, eh ?

"Caledonia was a violent revolt driven by the criminal element and fed by unintelligent hot heads. "

While some of this true, it would do well to look the specific families involved in this. This really isn't about First Nations, its about the aspirations of a couple of long time extended families of influence on the reserve.

This is not a Federal matter, as the Feds correctly pointed out in the beginning. The land claims were properly settled generations ago by the owners of the day and supported by a number of court cases.

This is almost entirely about the cowardice of Dalton McGuinty. Afraid - yes, I'll use that word again, afraid, that he'd wind up like Harris at Ipperwash, he prevented the OPP from shutting this down on day one. Had he done so when they had the chance, and done so with vigour, none of this would have escalated. He demonstrated to a bunch of bullies that he was just a pussy. To his credit, if you can call it that, he's consistent, he's still just a pussy, but he's added the additional qualifier that he's an asshole as well. All orifice, all the time. Harris correctly observed in the runup to his election, that he was "just not up to the job", and he was right.

The reserve system needs to be shut down across the country entirely. Give the residents an opportunity to title their properties formally as with everybody else in North America and begin to move forward. No one living today has any more claim to land here than I do as a native Canadian.

As to who got here first, that's lost in antiquity (there's good evidence that the eastern tribes have their roots in southern France, not Asia or S. America, and in any case its irrelevant.

Posted by: atric at November 17, 2009 4:16 PM

The federal government has sole and exclusive authority to legislate anything related to 'indians' and the 'land indians reside upon'.

That's why the feds coughed up for the negotiators and covered overtime for the police.

I think it's more important to note that the 'law', the provincial government, the federal government, and every 'authority' involved here has abdicated their responsibility.

And now, they use the power and resources of the state to fight against the people they were to protect.

Such is the leadership from 'authorities'.

Native Americans do not have any right to traditional land. They took whatever land that they roamed from other tribes and never looked back. It was all about how much land a band could defend against others - naturally.

I'm sick of the whitey guilt that I'm supposed to feel. I was no where near the Native Americans 150 years ago, I didn't sign any treaties, and when someone legally purchases land, it should be theirs' (however, Canada, with its lack of property rights, SUCKS). Native land claims are a whole lotta hooey and even worse is this idea that natives are entitled to royalties from oil and gas exploration! Ha!!! If Natives were here living a native way of life there would be absolutely no oil or gas exploration ever!!

What many fail to realise is that aboriginal people fought with each other. Who nearly wiped out the Wendat (commonly known as the Huron)? The Iroquois did. Do all Indian tribes get along and are banding together to re-obtain what is rightfully theirs? No. How do you mark the land of nomads, anyway? Are all Canadians guilty of past aggression? Tell that to first generation or new citizens.
Whatever problems aboriginal people have aren't going to be solved by thuggery or instilling guilt. Nine times out of ten, they hurt themselves with their inaction, thuggery or infighting.

"Any real resistance would send them running for cover."

There are a lot of loud idiots at the front of these little skirmishes but the Mohawks themselves can be pretty tough if they want. For a couple generations it was standard practice for all Mohawks to join the Marine Corp. In the 70's the cops would be pretty worried about dealing with any Mohawk trouble knowing that all of the Mohawks they were dealing with had military training and most of them had been to Vietnam. Not sure if that is the case today. Just pointing it out though.

atric:

You've come the closest in the whole thread. McGuinty may be a feckless liar, but he's not totally stupid. He saw how Mike Harris got crucified over Ipperwash, and he's not anxious to repeat the experience.

So, what's a gutless politician to do? Run away and hide, of course, and hope that no one else mentions the problem. Good on Blatchford for keeping up the pressure, although I admit I'm surprised the G&M editors are letting her run.

OPP no longer means Ontario Provincial Police
It means Ontario Political Police.

Can't disagree with you hardboiled, but with one exception.
The issue is one of land claims. Land claims are the exclusive responsibily of the provincial government. This whole mess is being dealt with
in Cayuga Ontario, the counry seat for Haldimand County Ontario.
Having said that, I totally agree that ALL levels of government have abdicated their responsibility
in this matter.
I have some knowledge of how federal as well as provincial governments deal with the Natives on daily, more mundane affairs. It isn't pretty.
I'm not stupid enough to disclose details here.
That may sound like a cop-out but believe me, you wouldn't either.

nses @ 1:45

Some folks can sit back at about 300 yds and observe through appropriate optical lenses too.

...just sayin'

Ontario Pretend Police...............

As a person who grew up in Wetaskiwin, Ab and also one who has native relatives I can honestly say there are a lot of natives in this country who can't stand the idea of reserves or "free" money.

Many of my native friends can't stand the crap that other natives pull in this country they also hate the fact they get away with it.

In my experience I find it is only the ones who have no ambition who create these kinds of incidents. They are also the ones who are most fanatical about "losing" their culture.

The best thing that could happen to the native people who want to be a part of Canada is having a government that will stick up to those who don't.

not stirred enough,
if I remember correctly, texas canuck had a long career in the Canadian forces before he decided to get a job and make some money. Can that be considered doing something?

Kate and Kathy have two of the most successful conservative blogs in the blogosphere. They influence a lot of opinion. Even down here in the States. Kathy actually shows up at various rallies, sometimes as a speaker. Does any of this qualify as doing anything?

How about you? What are you doing?

I'm sure not stirred enough will do something amazing just as soon as he gets his own apartment. Then watch out.

Well Ontario is stupid but England is really, really stupid . . .

Posted by Daniel J. Mitchell

A former soldier in England has been arrested and convicted (and may even go to jail for five years) because he found a gun in his yard and he turned it over to the police. I presume this is in part a reflection of the anti-gun ideology embedded in UK law, but don’t prosecutors and judges have even a shred of discretion to avoid foolish prosecutions and/or protect innocent people from absurd charges? Here is the news report:

A former soldier who handed a discarded shotgun in to police faces at least five years imprisonment for “doing his duty”. Paul Clarke, 27, was found guilty of possessing a firearm at Guildford Crown Court on Tuesday – after finding the gun and handing it personally to police officers on March 20 this year. The jury took 20 minutes to make its conviction, and Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year’s imprisonment for handing in the weapon. In a statement read out in court, Mr Clarke said: “I didn’t think for one moment I would be arrested.”

… The court heard how Mr Clarke was on the balcony of his home in Nailsworth Crescent, Merstham, when he spotted a black bin liner at the bottom of his garden. In his statement, he said: “I took it indoors and inside found a shorn-off shotgun and two cartridges. “I didn’t know what to do, so the next morning I rang the Chief Superintendent, Adrian Harper, and asked if I could pop in and see him. “At the police station, I took the gun out of the bag and placed it on the table so it was pointing towards the wall.” Mr Clarke was then arrested immediately for possession of a firearm at Reigate police station, and taken to the cells.

… Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a “strict liability” charge – therefore Mr Clarke’s allegedly honest intent was irrelevant. Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

… Judge Christopher Critchlow said: “This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge. “The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant.”

Not stirred enough, your comment at 1:19pm has got to be one of the most ridiculous ones I have ever heard on the subject. You are a prime example of those people who do nothing for those natives who want to be a part of this country.

Maybe if you integrated with the natives a little bit or at least talked to the half breeds(yes, I can get away with saying that), you might realize that the government and the OPP is in the wrong here.

You wouldn't have a clue how hard of a fight it is for young natives especially, who want a wild fire of change sweeping through their people.

I was disappointed when Blatchy went over to the G&M, but am heartened to see that she continues her good work.

not stirred : I hope someday when your old and grey all set in life content you worked hard, obeyed the country's laws, raised your kids and eased into retirement. Only to have a bunch of lazy asses with brown skin lay claim to your property and as you realize your paying for their lawyers and trying to raise enough concern and money to pay your own many thousand dollar defense of "your" property you think back to your asinine comments and have the balls to realize how stupid you where, and wish more people like Kate, Kathy and the other "zeros" would rise to your defence.

From what I've seen they do a hell whole of a lot more than government has for their "civilized" tax payers.

I sat in a meeting years ago watching seniors some in tears discussing the land claim against them, the arena should have been full but by then the local residents did what Canadians do best forget and "fall back to sleep". The federal government a Liberal one back then did dick squat.

Talking to residents at the time and seeing what was going on, I'm pretty sure Liberals don't have a clue what real tolerance is, or that there just might be a limit and someday someone might just think themselves and their property worth defending, without all the politically correct mumbo jumbo.... thus cutting through all the BS.

Was a time when one didn't feed the trolls around here. Times change. When there was a small indian uprising in Quebec, the army was there, as I recall. Frogs are the number one unresolved issue in Canada, IMO. I tink, dem der tings der eeehh....

Azphiks, not everyone with an opposing view is a troll. I know too many white guys who think as he does too.

forget the too at the end

Someones going to get shot here.

I can't wait. There will be a LOT of 'splaining to do.....

Until this rot is scraped out. No police force in this Country can hold their heads up as protectors of the law, or the Citizens of this Nation. Again with the Politically correct not sane approach.
I agree with the REAL policeman that got to the core of it. How many incidents or bodies will it take to wake these dreamers up?

The turning point came when he overheard a woman talking on the phone to a police dispatcher, saying she wouldn't give her name because she was afraid. "The police won't do anything," the woman said, "Who is going to help us?"

It was, he said, "a perception I could share."

The trial resumes Monday.

eastern paul, somebody already got shot. He just didn't die. May 17th 2007. After the DCE was occupied for a whole year already.

An "employee" of one of the frickin' dozens of illegal smoke shops got shot in the arm by one Donald VanEvery with an "AK47". According to eye witness accounts VanEvery was seen on the DCE occupation site shortly before he aired out the smoke shack with his trusty, amazingly illegal and fully banned AK assault weapon of murder/death/kill/bad.

Jail time upon conviction for spraying a building he knew was occupied and hitting somebody? A building right beside a major highway with people driving past at the time, incidentally? With a banned instrument of destruction? 4 1/2 years.

According to the news, the good Mr. VanEvery has had 74 previous convictions (not charges folks, convictions) 43 of which were gun related. 4 1/2 years my friends. Its possible he may be out already.

OPP sat on their hands while he was shooting the place up. They were 100 feet away. They called the 6 Nations cops and WAITED. Google it.

… Prosecuting, Brian Stalk, explained to the jury that possession of a firearm was a “strict liability” charge – therefore Mr Clarke’s allegedly honest intent was irrelevant. Just by having the gun in his possession he was guilty of the charge, and has no defence in law against it, he added.

… Judge Christopher Critchlow said: “This is an unusual case, but in law there is no dispute that Mr Clarke has no defence to this charge. “The intention of anybody possessing a firearm is irrelevant.”
Posted by: Fred at November 17, 2009 7:16 PM"

this is truly frightening.

there's a schwack of google citations, here's one of the better ones:
newportcity.blogspot.com/2009/11/paul-clarke-police-guidelines-show.html

I think Im gonna bypass not-so-great britain when I finally get over to that part of the globe.

I can hardly believe that this is happening in Canada today. The OPP are paid extremely well to protect the people and basically enforce the law. They and their political masters have totally abandoned that responsibility. They talk of the need for a gun registry, and sit and watch natives ignore all rules and existing regulations.
Since Ipperwash, the Ont. government has refused to appply the law to natives. The testimony about AK47s is particularly frightening. The authorities know where hand guns and assault rifles are being smuggled into Ont. but refuse to act. I hope this court case wakens Ontaians up, if not then nothing will.

Mission Statement - "To Swerve and Defect"

Their suit doesn't stand a chance. If it is successful, every homeowner who is burgaled, every person who is mugged, every car owner who has his vehicle stolen can claim the police failed to protect them, pay me! Forget about it!

re VanEvery:

caledoniawakeupcall dot wordpress.com/2008/10/21/ak-47-shooter-gets-a-big-kiss-from-cayuga-crown/

I used to subscribe to the web site but found it just too depressing seeing how the people in Caledonia were getting shafted daily from all directions.

Phantom: the idea is not to shut you up. It is to make you think outside of the box. Ah, it always goes above your heads.

Aaron, the OPP do not do full tactical stops for traffic tickets. I have -never- had a tactical stop in Canada, anywhere. Except that one time in Caledonia. Even in the States the two man tactical stop is very rare, they only bother with it if you're acting funny or driving a crappy car in a dodgy neighborhood.

The implication is obvious enough for even trusting old white people like myself to get the picture. We all got the picture around here, believe me. Its all anybody talks about.

As Fantino and McGuinty are discovering, that crap doesn't work here. They're getting some serious pushback they didn't count on.

That the "backlash" is happening in court and is aimed against the cops and the government is an extremely salient point, one which is being roundly ignored by almost everyone. Indians are not getting beat up in Caledonia when they go shopping. Indians are not having their kids smacked around in school. Indians are in fact not being singled out for bad behavior of any sort, by anyone.

I live here in Cayuga, I shop at the Canadian Tire and the Zehr's store right fricking next to the DCE pretty much every week, I see the old ladies and the kids from the reserve around all the time, and I see them NOT getting looked at funny by the evil racist white people.

That's because everybody knows this is not an Indian thing. Its an organized crime thing, it has been for 20 years at least, and the -only- reason it exists at all is because the province wants it that way. People on the reserve are getting f-ed over worse than anybody. We all know this. Duh!

I also see that every time Gary McHale has some kind of event or protest, 200 cops show up, stand with their backs to the Mohawk Warrior cretins and face the evil racist white people. And get assaulted from -behind-. Like clockwork, the violent, racist hordes of "settlers" stand around and sing O Canada, while the organized crime a-holes and Leftist useful union idiots bussed in specially from Toronto scream abuse, throw things and try to engage anyone and everyone in fisticuffs.

I notice that the Mohawk jerkoffs tried this same land claims crap in Ancaster, 2008, at the new fair grounds, and they didn't last long. City of Hamilton police department showed up with a couple of cars, and the protesters f-ed off right smartly. Never came back.

Interesting.

So what part is going over my head again?

Phantom

only Timmies I'v ever seen with a lock on the crapper is the one in Caledonia:-)))