Smartest. pResident. EVAH!

I don't mind Obama bowing. It's not a sign of subservience but of respect if you do it correctly. And given the Emporer's age, it's fine for the president to show such respect.

But Obama gets it all wrong. It's almost as if he's mocking the custom.

Obama - just a slight bow with your hands to the side. Then shake hands. And get yourself some better handlers. The current ones aren't doing their job.

It only took less than a year for the Obamessiah to surpass Jimmy Carter as the worst president ever.

Let's ask our Hong Kong vets what they think of bowing to the Emperor of Japan or the Pearl Harbour veterans or the Phillipines, or the...

"Oh wait!" cry the drooling lefty sychophants. "He is just showing his knowledge and respect of other cultures unlike the troglodyte Bush"

Funny, he and his wife didn't respect our Queen in that fashion, but then again, she's a whitey.

Long live "multi-cult-urism".... sigh...
I suppose this was better than "The One" handing over a multi-billion $ check for the insult of winning WWII.

Chimpy has NO class.

When he was asked about Hiroshima it was surprising that he didn't apologise for America not ceding the Hawaiian islands to Japan and saving the Japanaese the trouble of attacking Pearl Harbour.

Chris in the Bridge:

Yeah his display of respect appears very selective.

Bow to the Emperor, bow to the Saudi King but ignore obvious protocol with the Queen.

HMMM HMMM HMMM

A slight bow would be find, it's a sign of respect. However looking like your picking up a penny, or starting a limbo dance, just shows President Obama is not researching decorum, or his prep staff is incompetent. He has people on staff to bring him up to speed on these things right?

Not a big deal I suppose but it should be consistent if it is going to be done. Elizabeth II only got a tape of his boring speeches, a royal insult if ever there was one. However the Finn would have to bow down to be able to hear what the diminutive Emperor had to say. I think I saw a curtsy or two though.

Obama has told the Chinese to loosen up on internet censorship.
""I'm a big supporter of non-censorship,"

Someone might want mention to FoxNews how much Obama supports freedom of the press, seeing as how he's declared war on them.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/16/china-barack-obama.html?ref=rss&loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.120961:b28883702

He's just HOPING to find some CHANGE on the ground

IMO the POTUS bowing to anyone is a mistake. I think many Americans consider their President as an equal to any world leader, figurehead or elected. Afterall, he is the most powerful person on the planet.

I think the planet is so fortunate that the US is benign superpower (yes they do some nasty things, yada yada yada) otherwise, much of the global village might have found itself bowing to her.

The higher social status of the person you bow to in respect to your own the deeper should be your bow. Obama's bow shows that he (and the office he represents) stands very low on the social ladder.

Maybe Obama was just giving a shout out to the Emperor's willie

I guess that the US protocol office REALLY is run by Goldie Hawn.

He wasn't bowing, he was taking a bow. Different thing.

lol Aardvark

Didn't George W. take the elderly Saudi King's hand as they walked through his yard, and got nothing but bric-bats fro doing so? A simple sign of respect, not some evil plot to steal the worlds oil.

You know, I haven't had such a visceral dislike of a political leader since Glen Clark (B.C. premier 1996-2000, NDP). Bam Bam is a complete joke on the world stage.

His handlers know very well what they are doing. Obama is a "script follower" and nothing he does in front of the cameras is ever off the cuff. Those photo ops are there for a reason as they are always given approval by the handlers before they hit the wire.

I am bamboozled as to the what and why of his latest actions. He is really pi$$ing off the Americans who really care about the real America, showing subservience to those who he stands as an equal, and, like QE II, he disses her like she is a piece of trailer trash.

This is really turning into a wait and see game. Maybe that's all he wants, to do outrageous things to garner as much attention as he can, no matter the substance. Truly a showman, any press is a good thing, whether it be good or bad. Narcissist!!

perception is reality

Bet's he said "Aaasow"

Obama's bow was unseemly, at worst.

The outrage this silly little non-event has provoked is no different from the left's ridiculous, hysterical overreaction every time W committed some trivial idiocy.

It's pathetic. Are there not genuinely serious problems to get outraged about? You know, nationalizing the auto industry, government intrusion into health care and banking? General amnesties for millions of illegal immigrants? Crippling deficits and C&T?

Took less than a year for BDS to be replaced by ODS.

Notice how the little green football idiots won't touch this one. They can't see the link between bowing and apologizing for America ending a bloody shit show. Sad really.

O bow mao was tricked again like he was in the Middle yeast.

The Bow

That HAAVAARD graduates some real retards.
We have Iggy, the US has "O".

We're doomed.....

Darrell, as a one-off I'd fully agree with you. But, this incident is just another link in the chain of a pattern of behaviour that makes many folks, legitimately, uncomfortable with how the Obama administration is conducting itself on the world stage.

IMO.

I'm surprised he didn't kneel.

The video is a fake. They showed the president of Khazakstan. He had no resemblence to Borat whatsoever.

Darrell,

It's a process. The left showed us how to do it. We need to point out how ridiculous he is, time after time, to stop the rest of the insanity. Alinslky rule #12. Make the other side live up to their own standards. Obama was supposed to be the worldly, sophisticated, diplomatically suave leader who was going to show the world that the US wasn't made up of Texas rednecks.

I get the point of this compilation, but it's not evidence. We don't know what happened before or after the non-Obama handshakes. So, just as the left takes things out of context, there is a danger of that here, so I'm not passing judgement based on this video alone.

Nevertheless, a pattern is emerging, and the most important point to make is that the Queen (head of state of a historical ally of the US) is treated like a bag of soiled rags, whereas everyone else gets the "so honoured to meet you" treatment.

He just looks stupid with his ass up in the air. Looks like he is saying, "hey shorty, want a piggy back?"

President Obama in physical stature, towers above Emperor Akihito. President Obama carries with his persona the subliminal acknowledgement that, he, President Obama is the representative of the most powerful nation on the earth. In terms of brute assertiveness, President Obama could have picked up Emperor Akihito and stuffed the Emperor in his back pocket – as it were.

The “ bow “ was in effect a very short salute in military terms, but translated into the Japanese language.

President Obama acted as a gracious statesman and did so in a most respectful manner.

Many people in the Western countries wonder why the West is viewed as arrogant in dealing with the people of other countries. The criticism of President Obama on this “bow” issue reveals that underlying uncouth arrogance.

President Obama should be applauded for his gentlemanly, gracious statesmanship.

And btw, Kate;

I think you are one of the best in everything that you do! ;)

Sure, Obama is human and he makes mistakes, but every time Bush made one, the Left told us what an idiot he was.

Obama was supposed to be the smart guy. A change from the "stupid" Bush.

Should not Obama be held to at least as high a standard as Bush? If not higher, since he is so much smarter, etc.

Erik Larsen: You're right. The bow, as shown, is taking things out of context. Did you notice they haven't shown any photos of the two emperors and their leg wrestling contest held just after the bow and prior to dinner?

I'm more concerned about his non-visible (non- by LSM anyway) bow to Islamofascism than I am about this.

It's like he must have reviewed one of those 50's how to do it films the nite before on how to adress an oriental person.

Wonder if he spoke to the Emporer like Maz a la Mo Stlong;

"ahh harow honerabbble nummer one son, uhm i sen gleetings from new wohrl...uh no sushi tonite ok or i go hiri kiri. And i bling some trinkets and Horrywood dvds to tlade for um silk or sumthing"

Hey, G Montagnoso!

Your admiration for Obama is obvious from the grovelling way you express the arrogance of the west. Take a guess who you sound like ...... hero worship, perhaps?

I am beginning to think he takes a perverse pride in his behaviour. Much like Trudeau and his pirouette behind the Queen. It pi**es off his enemies. I can do as I please and if you don't like it too bad. In the mean time the agenda moves forward.

President Obama acted as a gracious statesman and did so in a most respectful manner.

No he didn't. Heads of state don't bow to each other, and certainly not submissively like President Dumb@ss did.

More importantly, American Presidents don't bow to anyone. The American flag does not dip before any king. There are more than 200 years of precedent, and the preening idiot currently occupying the White House has shown himself yet again to be utterly clueless and ignorant of history and of America's place in the world.

Two things can happen when you bend over.

Someone will either "take" your butt or kick it.

Simple explanation, I think a string broke. No doubt there are adequate spares on AF-1 for just such emergencies.

@ Posted by: BCer | November 16, 2009 1:04 PM Hey, G Montagnoso!

Your admiration for Obama is obvious from the grovelling way you express the arrogance of the west. Take a guess who you sound like ...... hero worship, perhaps?
Posted by: BCer at November 16, 2009 1:04 PM

Reply:

LOL!

I appreciate intelligence, wisdom and graciousness! Being humble is not necessarily a sign of weakness; it is quite often a sign of strength - something exercised by those who are confident in their ability to do that which is right. While President Obama is in the arena of life, down in the pit of public opinion and fighting with demonic denizens, his critics are perched high up in the bleachers - safely taking notes!

ps

Did I not make the following reply to Kate at the end of that post?

And btw, Kate;

I think you are one of the best in everything that you do! ;)

Is that grovelling as well?

Then I dare not post the following link:

http://www.netpoets.com/classic/poems/037001.htm

;)

while sailing the ocean i have many times encountered the navies of various countries passing by...

i always dip my ensign to them and they ALWAYS no matter if i'm a tiny sailboat and THEY are a battleship, dip their ensign in return.

all navies do this...EXCEPT the American Navy....they are too proud(and rightly so)to lower their flag for anyone...

and then i see that longlegged macdaddy sprat bending obsequiously for a nonentity....where's the awareness and the pride of who you represent?

Mike T, the Japanese had no intention of seizing Hawaii. They wanted the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), where the oil was, and Burma, where the rubber was, and control of China, and then whatever was necessary to hold those securely.

The attack on Pearl Harbour was for the sole purpose of destroying the American fleet, so that the Americans could not interfere as the Japanese did their thing. The idea was that once they'd seized their objectives, the Japanese would then come to the Americans, say "Sorry", and offer compensation and a return to friendly relations before the Americans could get themselves organized for war. They'd actually done something quite similar successfully, with the Russians, some thirty-five years before, and they expected the Americans to be more rational and less bellicose than the Russians. No, I don't know where they got these ideas.

Well, we still have our links to the Queen of broken England and have a governor general in charge (head of state?) as commander of our armed forces plus each province and territory has a mini-me version.

Reminds me of the Canadian human rights industry.

Bow before the Queen but do not touch her???

It's not like the POTUS has to make this up as he's going along (although Obama seems to insist on doing so). I guarantee you that there is someone in Washington whose job it is to tell the President about the etiquette on greeting foreign dignitaries. Dammit, he has advisors! He's choosing to ignore them, either because he's too arrogant/lazy to listen, or because he has another agenda (i.e. in this case, denigrating America's victory over a foreign, non-white [that's not how I think; that's how I think he thinks] power).

This is from the comment's section at Neo-NeoCon's excellent blog: Funny video about bowing in Japan

I appreciate intelligence, wisdom and graciousness!

Then why do you applaud Obama crapping all over 200+ years of American tradition? Is denigrating his own country's proud history your idea of "graciousness" and "wisdom"?

montagnoso - Obama's bow wasn't an act of graciousness, or that of a gentleman. Or wisdom. It was an act of arrogance. And stupidity.

IF he decided to bow, then, according to Japanese protocol, the correct bow is to keep your eyes on the eyes of the Other person. Obama stared at the ground at this shoes. That's considered an insult.

And why bow? Not one other leader does so and therefore, it goes against protocal. Again, if he decided that, as usual, he's be UNIQUE..and that's what it's really all about..Obama..then, he ought to have done a proper bow. Not an insulting one.

As for your suggestion that Obama behaves with grace, dignity and etc - could you explain then, his insults to the UK Prime Minister, where he refused to traditional press interview, and gave him a gift of old American films on DVD, incompatible with UK players? How's that for intelligence and grace?

And his gift to the Queen (oh..and he didn't bow to the Queen!) of an ipod with his own speeches on it? Please note - he didn't bow to the Queen.

But, he DID bow to the King of Saudi Arabia! Why?? Oh..and the White House tried to pretend he wasn't bowing and said he was picking something up off the floor. Heh. The WH also said that his bow to the Japanese Emperor was 'just following protocol'. No it wasn't. No other leader bows to the Emperor. Not one.

So, could you explain the facts that defend your opinion of Obama's 'graciousness, dignity and wisdom'? Thanks.

@ Waterhose
Then why do you applaud Obama crapping all over 200+ years of American tradition? Is denigrating his own country's proud history your idea of "graciousness" and "wisdom"?
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 16, 2009 2:35 PM

Reply:

America has a proud history of receiving people from all over the world into its bosom of safety.

Many of those people became citizens of America and subsequently gave their lives to give freedom and safety to future generations. And again, some of those citizens were once deemed to be enemies of the state – some were from Japan. They too gave their lives to protect America.

America is a “ Nation of Believers “ – a Nation that believes in freedom, safety and security. Its might is based on the strength of individuals; a gestalt.

America’s pride flows from the accomplishments of many individuals, both singularly and collectively.

President Obama has upheld America’s traditional values. He has done nothing to denigrate anyone. His commendable efforts to restore and maintain peace around the world has been mischaracterized by those who do not want peace, but a reason – any reason to create conflict.

Sorry to be a bit off topic. I just stumbled on this fabulous seven year old kid singing the anthem at a basket ball game. An amazing singer.

A 7 Year old Patriot

montagnoso- your comments are purely rhetorical; that is, they are words without content.

You wrote: "President Obama has upheld America’s traditional values. He has done nothing to denigrate anyone. His commendable efforts to restore and maintain peace around the world has been mischaracterized by those who do not want peace, but a reason – any reason to create conflict".

Could you move out of the rhetoric and provide some factual evidence for each statement?

1) How has Obama upheld traditional values? He has rejected the free speech of people, chastizing them for their Town Halls, Tea Parties, chastizing anyone who criticizes him.

He has denigrated the power of the people by denigrating the people's representation, Congress, with his insistence that Congress pass bills without reading or debating them.

These are some of the anti-American things he has done. Could you explain and justify your opinion?

2) He has insulted the UK and French Leaders; he has insulted Americans who criticize him. He insulted the Cambridge police; he insulted rural Americans; ..just a few of his denigrations.

3)Efforts to restore peace? It will be due to him that Iran gets a nuclear weapon.
Note that Obama utterly ignored the Iranian demonstrations in favour of democracy, choosing instead to side with the dictator.
Note how he sided with Zelaya of Honduras in his attempt to sidestep the Honduran constitution; Obama ignored the constitution of Honduras.

What efforts to restore peace? When? Where?

Could you provide some facts for your rhetoric on these issues, as well as some facts that ground your assertion of his 'wisdom, intelligence and graciousness'.

"intelligence, wisdom and graciousness" all nice words, impressive actually.
But one other thing about them they do not apply to Obama's results thus far, IMHO.

On the domestic front he's already unable or unwilling to admit that an attack by the very same forces that NATO and his country are at war with attacked and killed innocents a US Army base.

What other measure can be used to judge this guy's actions so far? His written words on CD's? His frequent use of national TV spotlights to chase any current criticism, his handlers starting a pissing media war with the only opposing news network, FOX or his followers doing sneaky things like brainwashing small children though a national highly viewed tv children's program...(gee now where have I heard of this being done, *cough* was it in Palestine?)

It's like anything that slights or lowers the American image internationally, Obama will do it. Continuing to do so is hurting though...Dems are bleeding seats at this point. To an outsider, his disdain and outright disrespect for anything that represents conservative or civic tradition of America is obvious.

Years ago my Dad bought a "Drinking Bird". It was a glass tube with a bulb on each end. The tube was partially filled with coloured fluid and mounted with one end higher than the other. On the upper end was a coating of felt in the shape of a birds head. If you dipped the bird's head in water it would swing upright but as the water evaporated from the head the fluid in the tube would rise and the bird would tip over in a drinking motion.

For some strange reason when I saw the Owe Bow I thought of the bird.

President Obama has upheld America’s traditional values.

No he has not, and all your arm-waving and empty blather does nothing to change the facts.

American (and world) tradition is for heads of state not to bow to other heads of state.

American tradition is not to dip the flag or bow before any other power.

Those are some of America's traditions. Those are some of America's values.

The resident idiot in the White House has vomited all over that with his ignorant bowing and scraping, first to a Saudi king, now to a Japanese emperor. Obama is a graceless jerk of the highest order.

G Montagnoso, I don't know whether you are gracious or merely insipid.

At best you can say that some Americans are indifferent in respect to the president kowtowing to the Japanese emporer.

The majority of Americans are unsettled by this blatant breach of American protocol.

OK, my protocol for the bow in Japan is limited to a CBC show (can't remember the name,with host Robert Scully) when a Cdn company was looking for invsetment from Japan, and the Karate kid movies.

I will never forget Pat Morita, "Eyes, always look eyes". Maybe if the Big O had watched Karate kid &/or Happy Days he would have known.

Of course, in conjuction with the Boston Globe article from an earlier thread, maybe he should watch the Enron documentary "Smartest Guys in the Room" we all know how that turned out.

K - give it a break.

We bow, kiss, suck and support Chuckie and Camie plus the GG.

This is a NON story. But what would PALIN have to say about seeing Japan from her backdoor?

'Years ago my Dad bought a "Drinking Bird". '

lol - now that u mention it. I can see the Republicans coming up with a new toy now a 'drinking Obama bird'. It'll 'fly' off the shelves.

As ET said Obama is 'unique' therefore he's above protocol even if it means he wants to abase himself. He's special.

This is a NON story.

Well, you can close your eyes, clamp your hands over your ears and yell "LALALALA" all you like, but a clueless President breaching and denigrating 200+ years of American and global tradition because he's a world-class ignoramus is hardly a non-story.

Reply @ ET

ET, I suspect you are from another planet…. ;)

Quote:

IF he decided to bow, then, according to Japanese protocol, the correct bow is to keep your eyes on the eyes of the Other person. Obama stared at the ground at this shoes. That's considered an insult.

Reply:

President Obama’s eyes were closed just before the instant that his pupils would have come into contact with the Emperor’s shoes. Just look a little more closely at the video clip, not the still picture. So there was no insult.

Quote:

As for your suggestion that Obama behaves with grace, dignity and etc - could you explain then, his insults to the UK Prime Minister, where he refused to traditional press interview, and gave him a gift of old American films on DVD, incompatible with UK players? How's that for intelligence and grace?

Reply:

Incompatible with UK players…… well of course….. that’s very intelligent.. it’s called “ Buy America “.

Quote:

And his gift to the Queen (oh..and he didn't bow to the Queen!) of an ipod with his own speeches on it? Please note - he didn't bow to the Queen.

Reply:

an ipod with his own speeches on it…. well of course…. very teck savvy… good for the environment…saves paper…reduces greenhouse gases…. quite inline with EU policy…

Quote:

No other leader bows to the Emperor. Not one………

Reply:

I am not going to apologize for their lack of graciousness……….

...............................................

ET, on a more serious note, I very seldom participate in these types of forums.
Some people don’t have the capacity to understand that they are not able to understand that which they can not understand.

And on that note, I don’t want to waste anymore of your time.

G Montagnoso

Japan is still a very class-based society with a hierarchical order that is at times incredibly difficult to work with. Having said that, not even the lowest of the low person/employee would bow like that.

I assume you have not been to Japan? Well, I have and that O-bow is ridiculous in any context. What the hell was he thinking is anyone's guess......

Obama goes to Japan and bows before the emperor of a foreign country.

Chuckie, Camie and the GG? Canada is a constitutional monarchy, whose head of state is the British monarch.

Understand the difference?

agent smith - yes, that's the thing about Obama; he's 'above protocol'. Rules don't affect him.

His bow was actually an insult, with his eyes on his shoes - and - his KNOWING very well that a bow was 'not protocol'.

Obama can't stand being 'one among others'. Remember, he refused to go to Berlin because he would be just 'one leader among other leaders'. No way; that's not for Obama, The One. So, he didn't go. He'll only go somewhere when it's all about Him.

Equally, Obama can't handle being 'just one leader among other leaders meeting the Emperor'. So, he bowed. He has to be different; he's a narcissist. It's all about him.

The protocol to greet the Queen, for any and all people including leaders of other countries, is a small 'neck bow'. Obama, of course, refused to do even this. He HAS to be different.

I think that Obama gets a malicious kick out of offending people, (after all, he knows the Japanese won't say that the eyes-on-the-ground bow was an insult)..and out of doing things that point to his uniqueness. Even if the behaviour is ungracious and ignorant!

"But what would PALIN have to say about seeing Japan from her backdoor?"

The LS from SK You are an idiot. Palin never said that she could see Russia from her backyard! Another stupid moron, Tina Fey, (maybe she's your dumba$$ sister) said it on SNL. What you didn't know the difference?

Ls from Sask...I want a pair of those binoculars that allow Sarah to see JAPAN from her back door!!!

Mongoose and LS...your cranium's called...they have space for rent.

montagnoso - you aren't answering my questions about evidence for your assertions.

And, as for the bow,
1) I doubt if you could see whether Obama's eyes were closed, but if your excuse to not call it an insult is the empty one that:
His eyes were closed, therefore he wasn't looking at the floor...
This is an invalid excuse.

The only correct bow is to LOOK at the eyes of the other person! OK? Got that? So, even if Obama closed his eyes as he looked at the floor, it was an insult!

2) Are you serious? That giving someone an unusable gift is defined as 'Buy America'? What about the insult that the gift was unusable? Why not give him a gift that was usable? Such as a, oh, I don't know, a silk tie made in America? Hmm?

3)Same stupid answer about the ipod.

Note - how you've been totally and completely unable to substantiate your empty rhetoric. Instead, heh, in typical leftist fashion, you resort to red herrings, which really aren't funny and insults, i.e., assertions that we are too ignorant to understand. Incredible; the mark of a leftist. If you have no argument..then, you insult the questioner. Hey, that's what Obama does!

Now, before you run, run, as fast as you can, from anyone who critiques your empty rhetoric, why not try again. And don't try the ad hominem sniff of 'you are unintelligent and wouldn't understand me'.

Stop the vapid empty rhetoric and provide some EVIDENCE for your assertions.

Tell me - why did Obama insult the special olympics? Why did he insult doctors, claiming that their only agenda was money, money, money, gained from taking out tonsils right and left? Why has he insulted to many foreign leaders? Why has he insulted the American people and denigrated Congress? What peace? When? Where?
Why is he running from acknowledging a terrorist attack on US soil?

Come on. Substantiate your claims.

There is the old saying....."I'll bend over backwards but I won't bend over forwards".

ET:

Montagnoso's 3:44pm reply says it all. He/she doesn't have much intelligent to say in defence to your comments. The concluding line in the post, "And on that note, I don’t want to waste anymore of your time", is just another way of saying that you fileted him/her like a fish.

Not to mention this line:

"Some people don’t have the capacity to understand that they are not able to understand that which they can not understand."

Sounds awfully pretentious. IOW they have no counter-arguments.

@ ET

Quote:

Tell me - why did Obama insult the special olympics? Why did he insult doctors, claiming that their only agenda was money, money, money, gained from taking out tonsils right and left? Why has he insulted to many foreign leaders? Why has he insulted the American people and denigrated Congress? What peace? When? Where?
Why is he running from acknowledging a terrorist attack on US soil?
Come on. Substantiate your claims.
Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 4:03 PM

Reply:

1. Tell me - why did Obama insult the special olympics?

Reply: “ special olympics “ has a group connotation.
Could you be more specific and give me a name – the name of just one person he singled out.

2. Why did he insult doctors, claiming that their only agenda was money, money, money, gained from taking out tonsils right and left?

Reply: Could you be more specific and give me a name – the name of just one person he identified.

3. Why has he insulted to many foreign leaders?

Reply: Could you be more specific and give me a name – the name of just one person he identified.

And while you are at it, could you tell me if you mean “to many – or too many or if there are two many “.

4. Why has he insulted the American people and denigrated Congress?

Reply: Could you be more specific and give me a name – the name of just one person he identified; one American and who in Congress, or what part of Congress and when.

5. Why is he running from acknowledging a terrorist attack on US soil?

Reply:

OK this one got my attention!

Could you give us the particulars, the details, just anything specific that can be used as evidence.

I can assure you that if you would provide the information asap, President Obama and his WH Administration will act faster than greased lightening.

tap, tap, tap……..

waiting pariently….

bob c - yes, but what is interesting is how Montagoso is typical of a leftist.

He'll first assert claims that are pure rhetoric, i.e., words without evidentiary support. Obama is a prime example; his 'hope and change' was empty, hypothetical, and left the content of these terms, up to the listener. And since then, Obama's actual actions have actually harmed America.

Then, when you confront such a speaker/writer, he'll evade the responsibility for his assertions with a number of tactics:

. red herrings, where he'll introduce irrelevant examples, false examples or 'tu quoque examples'.

. personal insults, meant to claim that you are too dumb, biased or whatever, to have the intellectual authority to ask for such evidence;

. and finally, he'll assert that he has no time to waste on such trifles..as you and your thoughts. Or, he'll assert that he finds your remarks so laughable (the left are always laughing at others)...that he won't bother to respond.

It's always the same strategy by the Left.

Rasmussen Reports
Daily Pres Tracking
-10
Obama has not seen the + side since June.

Wow.

Just ... wow.

montagnoso - your reply is ignorant and ungracious. You are trying the red herring tactic. You haven't answered my questions of evidence of Obama's wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making actions. How about dealing with this???

You know perfectly well that Obama insulted people of the special olympics, doctors, leaders etc.
Don't do the red herring of suggesting that an insult to a group is not an insult and that one 'only insults individuals'.

You know about his insults to Brown and Sarkozy. Google it if you are trying to evade knowledge of this. After all, you evaded the unusable DVDs to Brown with your 'Buy America' attempt at a joke, and yet, you are now asking for a name?

And don't do the red herring of 'spelling errors'.

Now YOU made several posts here asserting that Obama is a model of intelligence, wisdom, graciousness and peace-enabling. I asked you to provide factual evidence for each assertion. So, why won't you do it? Hmmm?

No head of state, of any state should bow down for any other flunky. That is patently stupid. Curtsy and bow is for homegrown subjects.
A mutual nod by the head is show of respect, though it has to be mutual.
Does anybody find it offensive that the current occupant of the White House is doing that kind of stuff? It should drive ‘mericans to drink.
Some say, there are other problems to worry about. Well you worry about them. This display is or should be offensive and unacceptable to the US citizens of what ever “station” in life they may be.
Can’t imagine PM Harper would do something as stupid.

"ET, on a more serious note, I very seldom participate in these types of forums.
Some people don’t have the capacity to understand that they are not able to understand that which they can not understand."

Typical Liberal, always out trying to prove that they're the smartest person in the room.

How Obamasiah does Foreign Relations

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/11/14/lawrence-solomon-oba-mao-in-china.aspx

President Obama acted as a gracious statesman and did so in a most respectful manner.

That means that every other head of state or government, including the Emperor himself who probably knows a thing or two about both bowing customs and diplomatic protocols, was ungracious and disrespectful.

Face it, Flounder blew it big time. Again.

The bow a sign of respect or subservience? Don't care. This pussy is a @$%*#@& pathetic piece of #@^ &*+#. Not worth scraping the &*+# off a shoe, just fire those puppies into a dustbin.

There. I feel better.

@ ET
Now YOU made several posts here asserting that Obama is a model of intelligence, wisdom, graciousness and peace-enabling. I asked you to provide factual evidence for each assertion. So, why won't you do it? Hmmm?
Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 4:40 PM

@ Harry
"ET, on a more serious note, I very seldom participate in these types of forums.
Some people don’t have the capacity to understand that they are not able to understand that which they can not understand."
Typical Liberal, always out trying to prove that they're the smartest person in the room.
Posted by: Harry at November 16, 2009 4:43 PM

Reply to both:

Lets deal with the most serious, the most pressing issues first. I had mentioned that President Obama had:

“ President Obama has upheld America’s traditional values. He has done nothing to denigrate anyone. His commendable efforts to restore and maintain peace around the world has been mischaracterized by those who do not want peace, but a reason – any reason to create conflict. “

ET stated:

5. Why is he running from acknowledging a terrorist attack on US soil?

My Reply:

OK this one got my attention!

Could you give us the particulars, the details, just anything specific that can be used as evidence.

I can assure you that if you would provide the information asap, President Obama and his WH Administration will act faster than greased lightening.

tap, tap, tap……..

waiting pariently….

……………………………………………………………………………………………..

Summary reply to above:

You should have noted that I misspelled patiently: reference; “waiting pariently….

That’s an indication you are not paying attention to the details.

So, ET, let’s put President Obama to the test…..

Provide the details of the “a terrorist attack on US soil” and see what happens.

If all you got is puerile balderdash, then, like I said.. don’t waste my time.

And Harry,

Let’s see if you are the smartest person in the room, because if you are, you will do your best to get ET to provide the details.

It is not incorrect to offer a bow. It is incorrect to be so cartoonish about it.
The Asian countries that experienced Japan's wartime "hospitality" would be deep in the cold, cold ground before bowing to ANY Japanese leader.
Darrell, you make valid points about being concerned regarding larger issues. However, I think this incident is part of a pattern of ingratiating and buffoonish behaviour. The press points out every mortal thing George Bush or Sarah Palin do. What is good for the goose, as they say....
Just my thoughts.

re. G Montagnoso @4:33 - this "Could you be more specific and give me a name" thing is a very lame rhetorical trick I've encountered before; people (invariably men, I'm afraid - I associate it with a semi-psychotic alcholic drama-teacher I used to know) who use it appear to consider it the ultimate riposte, a way to establish that everyone who isn't them is a sloppy thinker who is only capable of dealing in generalities.

The 4:33 post is a sad example of this because every single example brought up by ET can be substantiated with specifics.

"Could you give us the particulars, the details, just anything specific that can be used as evidence."; you ask? Just try me. Not that ET needs the help.

Face it, Flounder blew it big time. Again.
Posted by: Kathryn at November 16, 2009 5:03 PM

I know some really informed people who use "Flounder" as bait.

;)

montagnoso - yoo hoo. You made a list of assertions about Obama, i.e., his wisdom, intelligence, graciousness etc..and I asked you to substantiate these assertions.

So, tap away, not with your feet, but on the keyboard, and provide the factual evidence for your assertions.

And again, a detail of spelling on a blog is utterly irrelevant. Now, again, provide the details of evidence for your assertions about Obama.

Don't evade.
Don't red herring.
Don't tu quoque.
Just deal with filling in the blanks of your rhetoric; provide the substantive evidence.

As for Obama's refusal to acknowledge that Ft. Hood was terrorism - and that's a red herring - because you are using this to avoid answering my questions..just google Obama's refusal to acknowledge Ft. Hood terrorism..and you'll come up with enough sites. Obama said it was 'incomprehensible'. No, it wasn't. And not one mention of terror, terrorist or terrorism.

Now, again, STOP evading the issues. Answer my questions, which I've repeated so many times. You assert Obama's intelligence, wisdom, graciousness and peace-making efforts. Kindly provide some evidence.

Some people don’t have the capacity to understand that they are not able to understand that which they can not understand.

Typical Liberal, always out trying to prove that they're the smartest person in the room.

True that. In formal logic we would say that spouting out that particular line does not imply that you aren't one of those people. :P

Jake Tapper at ABC (one of the few in the White House press pool who doesn't drink the Obama koolaid) wrote the following yesterday, from a friend of his in the Japanese academic community:

"Kyodo News is running his appropriate and reciprocated nod and shake with the Empress, certainly to show the president as dignified, and not in the form of a first year English teacher trying to impress with Karate Kid-level knowledge of Japanese customs.

The bow as he performed did not just display weakness in Red State terms, but evoked weakness in Japanese terms....The last thing the Japanese want or need is a weak looking American president and, again, in all ways, he unintentionally played that part."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/on-president-obamas-bow-to-the-japanese-emperor-an-academic-friend-writes-that-both-the-left-and-the-right-are-wrong.html

Obama is a rank amateur, proving every single day he was never qualified to hold the presidency. The first "celebrity" president in my lifetime, and I sincerely hope the last.

@ ET

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 5:21 PM

So, now you want me to read to you...........

OK

let's start here....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/

But this @5:10 -

"You should have noticed that I misspelled patiently; reference: "waiting pariently....

That's an indication that you are not paying attention to the details.

Makes me decide he's just a mentally ill troll, so we should all ignore him.

GM
Please provide detail as to your description of Obama
tap,tap,tap
waiting patiently
two can play your childish game
please listen to yourself and don't waste thinking adults time and scurry back to your television,you might miss CNN's next Obama tongue bath.

G Montagnoso:

"You should have noted that I misspelled patiently: reference; “waiting pariently….

That’s an indication you are not paying attention to the details"

More likely, ET would prefer a substantive discussion. You should give it a try.

"That's an indication that you were not paying attention to the details." is his, BTW, not mine. The Italics-thing went weird.

Just ignore the troll.

Another troll,is Daily Kos down or something?

montagnoso- nope. That's yet another red herring.

Providing a self-descriptive site, the White House talking about the White House, is NOT substantive evidence for YOUR assertions.

Again, and it's really astonishing that you both refuse, and I presume, are actually unable to substantiate your assertions.

YOU told us YOUR Opinion, that Obama was a person of wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making. So, YOU provide the factual evidence for each of these assertions.

No, you don't go to the WH site, which is NOT a critical evaluative site.

Instead, the way to substantiate YOUR claims, is to provide an actual event/action of Obama's, and then, YOU evaluate that action and tell us why YOU consider it an action of wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making.

Try again. And no insults. Don't try the 'sigh', I've got to read to you, which means I'm so intelligent' tactic. Just the facts.

Give us an action of Obama's. And then YOU evaluate it and tell us why it's indicative of wisdom, intelligence, graciousness, etc.

It's quite astonishing...that you refuse to be accountable for what you write.

@ ET

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 5:39 PM

Reply:

Those who can, do,
and those who can not,
criticise.

montagnoso - what a stupid reply.

After all, in order to DO something; that is, something constructive and intelligent, one MUST critique and analyze a situation.

If you don't do this, then your actions are purely RANDOM. Were your comments about Obama purely random? Without thought? Without evidence? Without substance? Hmmm?

So, stop evading. You critiqued Obama! Yes, you did, and your evaluation was that he was a man of wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making. So, substantiate what YOU DID.

Unreal, how you refuse, absolutely refuse, to support your own assertions about Obama. Hmm.

That means that they are the product of emptiness, of no thought, of no reasoning, of..nothing but Hot Air.

"And on that note, I don’t want to waste anymore of your time."

liar

"A wise man said don't argue with fools; cause people at a distance can't tell who is who"-jigga

ET, it's not astonishing at all. It is what G Montagnoso feels.

He or she feels Obama is a person of wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making, therefore, he [Obama] is such a person. He has proposed nothing to back up his assertions but his feelings, oh, and the White House vanity website.

Until he can come up with some factual evidence to back up his claim and refute your evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't waste my time.

Jan - actually I don't give a whit about someone as ignorant and arrogant as montagnoso. I'm working on Kate's blog numbers.

@ Jan

Posted by: Jan at November 16, 2009 5:59 PM

Quote:

Until he can come up with some factual evidence to back up his claim and refute your evidence to the contrary, I wouldn't waste my time.

Reply:

Even if I were to give you my eyeglasses, to see what I see, it would profit you little if your vision were impaired as a result of some other obstacle.

[quote]It's like anything that slights or lowers the American image internationally, Obama will do it. Continuing to do so is hurting though...Dems are bleeding seats at this point. To an outsider, his disdain and outright disrespect for anything that represents conservative or civic tradition of America is obvious.[/quote]idd

It's not that hard to understand. roll back 95 years of history to the first world war and you have the thinking of Obama's communist supporters..

The terrorist trial in NYC will be like the Mooney & Billings case.. Communist Bombers convicted but slipped through the legal system with help of media & activists.... The Justice system will be made to look deficient because instead of justice they seek revenge.. Not a legal Prosecution but a Persecution... The dream case for those following the a
anarchistic creed of Lenin.

The fathers & mothers of Obama’s Communist supporters planned the Spartacan revolts in Germany... demoralizing the military in Germany & Russia in WWI. They are the friends of terrorists

It looks like we are repeating history but with a twist & flip... Rasputin is Obama...the US Congress is the corrupt Imperial Royal Court... Obama will become the most hated man in America and he will take Congress and America into a dark side...

Then, by all means, be my guest, ET. :-)

GM baby, you need a new prescription. See your ophthalmologist at your earliest convenience.

ebt

Yes the first reason for the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbour was to cripple the United States Navy so that the Japanese could continue with conquering Asia and accessing the resources she desperately needed unmolested. However, the entire plan was to have the United States Navy out of action long enough – about eighteen month they estimated – so that the Japanese could finish the campaign in Asia then go back and finish defeating the Americans later. Tojo might have used the payment for damages line with Hirohito to get the emporer's blessing but it would not have been in the actual plans.

The reason the United States set up in Hawaii in the first place is because of the militarily strategic location of the Hawaiian Islands and Pearl provides the perfect harbour. When the United States applied trade sanctions against Japan she realised that America would lean towards the Allies and not the Axis Powers. Thus the Japanese eventual plan was to move into Hawaii after annihilating the Americans. For the Japanese Imperial Navy to set up there would have enabled Imperial Japan to dominate the Pacific for a very long time.

However, and fortunately for us, the Japanese miscalculated the attack and America’s response to it. The United States Navy’s aircraft carriers were missed; most of the damaged vessels were quickly repaired and America was back in action long before the Japanese thought they would.

You just gotta love this.

The man the main stream media loves; who caused them to not do their job. Now pissing off most everybody in the electorate. There is a reason why we select people based on ability and not skin tone.

This is it.

And when Obama goes away, he will take Political Correctness with him.

It is kinda funny, actually.

I'O'narcIssIst: O'Oba MaO:

"It is a great honor for me".
...-

Full transcript of Obama's town hall meeting with Shanghai students

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Good afternoon. It is a great honor for me to be here in Shanghai, and to have this opportunity to speak with all of you. I'd like to thank Fudan University's President Yang for his hospitality and his gracious welcome. I'd also like to thank our outstanding Ambassador, Jon Huntsman, who exemplifies the deep ties and respect between our nations. I don't know what he said, but I hope it was good. (Laughter.) What I'd like to do is to make some opening..."
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/news-forum/index

"No bars, no mistresses, Chinese officials warned

One statistic trotted out at a recent speech to bureaucrats: 95 percent of officials investigated for corruption were found to be keeping mistresses.

"It's just not possible to keep a mistress on your salary because maintaining this sort of extravagant lifestyle requires a large amount of cash money,"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2386442/posts

Free men don't bow. Obama makes a habit of this.
no wonder no words but those of the cringing penitent. Dripping from his skull like mouth in abasement.
While he cries the sins. True or false. About "his" Nation.
JMO

ET

""""Jan - actually I don't give a whit about someone as ignorant and arrogant as montagnoso. I'm working on Kate's blog numbers."""

now that slap down musta hurt the poor ol mongoose:-))

Hay, lookit. The guy's tall. He had to look at his shoes to see the reflection of the short Jap guy.

Come on! What's the prob?

@ GYM

now that slap down musta hurt the poor ol mongoose:-))

Posted by: GYM at November 16, 2009 6:59 PM

the poor ol mongoose

was also taking a gander at the numbers
and what better way to spend an afternoon
than testing out an exercise in futility
such as seeing if four pounds of sugar
can fit into a two pound bag

;)

""""such as seeing if four pounds of sugar
can fit into a two pound bag"""

SPIVOT

10 pounds of s**t in a 5 pound bag:-))))

Now that's making molehills out of self styled mountains.

G Montagnoso at November 16, 2009 12:55 PM

You are missing the symbolism of it all. Very important for "international statesmen"

And let's not forget that he made these bows for symbolic reasons, so he cannot deny their existance.

He just put out the wrong symbol. He is toast on the international stage; Sarkozy mocked him publicly at the UN.

This presidency is only about local internal politics; the international aspect will be played and responsibilities ducked by this regieme.

Bow -- Wow ... too dumb to be a shnauzer.

montagnoso - and see, you've still failed. Failed and failed and failed.

You can't substantiate your assertions. When you are asked to do so...you evade, you slither, you insult.
But..

You can't substantiate your assertions.

Empty, empty words; that's you. And you are a perfect icon of Obama, the Empty Suit.

"It is not incorrect to offer a bow. It is incorrect to be so cartoonish about it." - Osumashi Kinyobe (5:14 PM).

Exactly! There is an objective reality out there and if O's defenders could accept it they would have to admit that this was something out of the Ministry of Silly Bows. For instance if you watch Asian television dramas you'll recognize Obama's bow as more or less the bow of some penitent kid to the teacher, after he got in trouble at school.

Obama thinks that he's being worldly and sophisticated but in reality, like the pretentious juvenile that he is, he's making an ass of himself.

@ RW

Posted by: RW at November 16, 2009 7:36 PM

Quote:

You are missing the symbolism of it all. Very important for "international statesmen"
And let's not forget that he made these bows for symbolic reasons, so he cannot deny their existance.
He just put out the wrong symbol. He is toast on the international stage; Sarkozy mocked him publicly at the UN.
This presidency is only about local internal politics; the international aspect will be played and responsibilities ducked by this regieme.

Reply:

You have your point of view and I have mine. It’s based on perspective which includes many factors.
I may suggest that you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope; therefore, your perspective is too narrow and confined.

I may believe that you do not look at the true image of “the symbolism of it all “ because you are not paying attention to what is happening.

Since I don’t know you, I may base my opinion on the fact that you failed to put a period at the end of your first sentence and that you misspelled existence as: existance – and therefore you are in too much of a hurry to articulate your views with precision, so why should I waste my time trying to find out exactly what you mean.

Then again, I also make mistakes in spelling and grammar when I am in a hurry – so it’s irrelevant.

The point is that the messenger is being attacked every time he tries to convey a message of peace.

I think Stephen Harper will go down in history as one of Canada’s finest Prime Ministers; however, every time he moves, some blogger or journalist will focus on nothing more than his haircut of choice of clothes.

I said it before and I will say it again, in my opinion I believe President Obama and the WH Administration staff have done a commendable job in bringing a message of peace to the nations.

@ ET
Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 8:00 PM

tap, tap, tap

still waiting on the details………

I can’t effectively respond to huff, puff and bloviating – without, that is, runing the risk of ruffling the sensitivities of some soul…….

tap, tap. tap

montegnoso - you've failed and failed and failed yet again..to provide the details.

You assert that Obama is a man of 'wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making'. Yet, not a shred of proof. No examples. No details.

You've been asked repeatedly. You provide nothing. All you do is divert and insult.

You are exactly like Obama! An empty echo chamber; no content. Empty.

Oh, and there's nothing more empty than an empty suit bloviating about 'we must all love one another'...

Obama is the most divisive leader in American history, pitting political parties against each, inciting racist bigotry both directly (Gates, his grandmother) and indirectly (via his administration, eg, Hodder), inciting class hatred (eg, his stupid remarks that wealth is the result of greed)...

And you? You are an empty suit. There's nothing there. You are unable to analyze, to think, to examine causality.

BUT - keep up the emptiness! Good for numbers!

ET: a Tom Petty video from about fifteen years ago showed a sensitive, well-groomed man, driving in a convertible driving on an L.A. freeway, having a - clearly - frustrating emotional dispute with an unseen lady in the passenger seat. The man was in tears, apoplectic almost, pleading to the woman in frustration, as if his very life depended on her finally understanding and acknowledging the essence of what he was trying to say. Finally the camera panned over: the passenger was a blow-up sex-toy doll. Wearing a seat-belt.

*cough cough*

Got a pin?

Glance to your right.....

EBD - yes, you are right!

But not yet, not yet! Think about the numbers for Kate's blog! I know Monte's a blow up doll...not wait, he's not a doll. No way.

He's an empty suit.

So, what are we up to now? Getting close to 15 million?

Come on, monte! Do something real! You can't think, you can't critique, you can't analyze, you can't substantiate..but..you CAN bloviate! Come on! Come on! Keep those numbers going!

I don't think Monte's done yet, ET. Lay yer' money down...

EBD - Of course Monte is done; Monte never was; that's the point.

He's unable to participate in this blog in an intelligent manner. He asserts but is unable to substantiate his assertions with facts and reasoned analysis. So, he's 'done'. As a contributor to any discussion.

BUT - he'll do just fine and dandy as a number getting to Kate's 15 million! Admittedly, it's sad that it's an empty suit number, but heck, all elections have their little twiggles, don't they? And Monte is just a teensy, tiny twiggle on the way to that 15 million.

So, leave him be a number. Heck, there doesn't seem to be anything else to him.

@ ET
Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 8:58 PM

Quote:

Come on, monte! Do something real! You can't think, you can't critique, you can't analyze,

Reply:

tap, tap. tap

Am I talking to someone with only one eye and bad breath?
Or are you standing on your head?

tap, tap, tap

See? Monte can't critique, can't answer questions. But, what are we up to now? Getting close to that 15 million1

Heck, he's good for something!

Kinyobe - Well, it isn't 'protocol' to bow. And that bow wasn't done correctly. But that's not the point.

Obama mocks people. He insults them, he belittles them, and he mocks them. This makes him feel superior. Making a bow like that to a 'token' leader, i.e., an emperor without political power - heck, to Obama, who HAS political power, this mocks the lack of power of the Emperor.

Oh, I never said it was "protocol" as his aides claim. And I never said Obama wasn't a buffoon.

This topic came up a few years ago. I forget if it was Rosalynn Carter or Nancy Reagan who was the first lady who had refused to bow to Queen Eliabeth II. I'd love input on that!!

15 million hits and a shnauzer or two that show more breeding, intelligence, poise and training than the POTUS.

Obozo ... could benefit from having Kate as HIS handler.

joe citizen - that had to be nancy reagan.

Of course, she shouldn't curtsey to the Queen; that would only be done by women in the Commonwealth countries. But, a slight 'tilt of the head' would be appropriate as an acknowledgment, not of the individual, but of the role of monarch of a country.

C'mon monte. Do some good in the world. Help Kate get to 15 million.

Answer my questions.

Oh, no, don't tell me1 You aren't real! Oh my gosh, that 'tap, tap, tap'...that's your mechanics tick, tick, ticking away. Oh, gosh. So, you are indeed, just a machine. Programmed to adulate Obama and repeat His Glories.

Ah well. That explains it. You can't think. Or critique. Or analyze. You're a mechanical program.

tap, tap, tap. So sad. But that's the nature of the robotic left.

I have not read all the comments, so I hope I'm not repeating:

Barak Obama is a complete embarrassment to the American people. It's incalculable how much damage this moron is going to do in his one term in office to American gravitas/credibility on the world stage let alone his trashing the US economy in legion with his Marxist Zsars and the dimwits from California running Congress.

No wonder G Montagnoso is so in love with Obama - they have the exact same style, namely endless vapid droning with zero substance.

@ ET

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 10:43 PM

Quote:

Ah well. That explains it. You can't think. Or critique. Or analyze. You're a mechanical program.

Reply:

http://www.superiorpics.com/jack_nicholson/movie/1983_terms_of_endearment.html

Jack Nicholson

"I Don't Know What It Is About You, Aurora, But You Bring Out The Devil In Me"

ET, please respond to my request for specific details about “ terrorism “ .

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/im-a-human-not-a-machine-munde/39193-37.html

Answering the defense counsel's queries at the court, Munde said, "I am not a machine. I am a human being."

tap, tap, tap

waterhouse - heh - and notice how Obama, just like Monte here, can't answer a question?

He just 'ahs'..and 'uhs'..and..doesn't answer. Well, monte is the same. He's been asked to substantiate his empty rhetoric but, all he does is 'uh' and 'ah'..in his own inimitable mechanical way.

He's a mechanical robot; programmed to adulate Obama. Nothing else is there. Sad.

He's back! he's back! The tapping machine is back!

But, sigh, still unable to answer any of the questions I've asked him. Repeatedly asked him. He's been unable to answer ..not even one.

I asked him to substantiate his adulation of Obama, to provide factual evidence for his claim that Obama has acted with 'wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making' activities.

Alas and alack..since monte is a machine, programmed to adulate Obama - he hasn't answered. Not once. Sad, sad.

But, his tapping does bring up Kate's numbers. And after all, a machine can't be expected to think or reason, and we must be grateful that it can, as a robot, keep time.

@ Waterhose

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 16, 2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

No wonder G Montagnoso is so in love with Obama - they have the exact same style, namely endless vapid droning with zero substance.

Reply:

http://www.yourdictionary.com/idioms/can-t-make-a-silk-purse-out-of-a-sow-s-ear

I have asked that specific information be provided so that I can give a meaningful reply – something with substance. So far all the waterhoses are pumping nothing but wind.

The collective absurd opinions about President Obama, presented here, are nothing more than – well this writer summed it up nicely: just replace “life is” with “ The banalities expressed are -

KING JOHN
III,iv,108, Lewis:
Life is as tedious as a twice-told tale,
Vexing the dull ear of a drowsy man.

@ ET

Posted by: ET at November 16, 2009 11:16 PM

Quote:

I asked him to substantiate his adulation of Obama, to provide factual evidence for his claim that Obama has acted with 'wisdom, intelligence, graciousness and peace-making' activities.

Reply:

Separate the focus:

1. messenger
2. message

The message is missed because the messenger is attacked – relentlessly; without cause or justification. Just political rhetoric.

http://web.mac.com/jwesolek/iWeb/cre8it/Blog/3E93EEAE-84F0-4E3C-AEFF-94F4154F2E5F.html

It's 11:50 PM. I have to sign off.

All the best ET !
;)

DORK!

Tsk tsk.

You twice forgot to include "tap tap tap" at the end of your pseudo-intellectual drivel, Montagnoso.

Prove you can answer a question, G, and not just meander aimlessly in what you hilariously imagine is erudite writing.

Go for it.

Do it.

Obama believes in you.

All the sources I've seen disagree with you, Mike. The Japanese didn't want a long war with the United States, which they knew they couldn't win. They wanted a quick victory followed by a settlement - which could involve generous concessions, once it could be made from a position of strength. They had the sense to recognize that invading Hawaii would make a short war impossible. They didn't have the sense to realize that merely attacking it would have the same result.

"The Japanese didn't want a long war with the United States, which they knew they couldn't win. They wanted a quick victory followed by a settlement" -

Ok then, could you please explain why the Japanese followed up Pearl Harbor with major offensives (Philippines etc.). This seems like a strange tactic if they were truly interested in a quick settlement - "which could involve generous concessions".

Such insignificant tripe from one troll.

I'm fully believe that Obama has failed to publicly acknowledge that there has been a terrorist attack on American soil at Fort Hood - he refused to state so - doesn't make it go away or change the truth of what happened. Jihad from the inside.

~ and white cops are stupid too.

What's next from Obama, a wine summit with this al-qaida wannabe's friends?

"Hasan had in direct correspondence with a notorious preacher of violence, Anwar al-Awlaki, whose enthusiasm for the teachings and actions of al-Qaida has long been well-known to researchers and intelligence agencies."

Don't go to the whitehouse dot gov website, ET, the Bolsheviks there track your IP address.

I commend all the posters here who have dittoed my opinion of the juvenile 'frount fella' President for the Unka Mo one world government evil elitists who want all of us free citizens brought to our knees (maybe the boy President was demonstrating his confirmation of his own state of subservience to anyone who might be an elitist - any free wheeling, gun toting citizen who loves Our Lord God and the LIBERTY that a Free citizen embraces in the USA would not qualify, of course, eg "W". Groveling like this, is a cartoon of what the elitists think of we, the people. I think that this perceived looking stumbling, stupid, naive appearing, fresh faced boyish dimwit president deliberately offended all of the Greatest Generation, all over the free world, by groveling in frount of the nation that tortured and killed so many of our fine young soldiers in WWII. The subliminal message is 'the enemy of my enemy' is my friend. Message: all people who are currently enslaved (Communists) or against individual freedom are the friend of the current US Administration - 'we' (human hating elitists) are about to show those 'peons' (we, the people - with control over our own lives) who dare to claim that they have individual rights, a lesson that they will never forget - Nazis and Soviet Gulags were just a warm up!

The President of the USA does not seem to share any 'values' or sense of history with the citizens of the United States of America; therefore, he is a Trojan Horse, IMO. And I think he knows exactly what he is doing and he knows why; he is not a good actor because he has no real ambition to 'fake' his lines: hence the flub up in Japan.
The human haters choose a dud, IMO.

Wake up Americans and Canadians! Troy harboured a stupid juvenile named Paris who was a mooning ego centric Prince, he got 'lost in love' over a beautiful but owned Greek Queen. Paris 'ran away home' with Helen and knew that their would be consequences but he didn't care..he figured that his dad, King Priam and his brave, honorable brother, Prince Hector would protect him; the weak, frail, aesthetic loser; why did he think this? Because he knew them and he had used them all his life. King Priam, as Paris assumed, did not force his weak son to accept responsibility for his actions;instead Priam appealed to his honorable son, Hector to protect Paris and the Trojan people from the agenda driven Greeks (who were looking for a reason to destroy Troy).

It was all set up by the feuding gods of Antiquity (Zeus, Hera, Aphrodite...); for their personal vendettas and amusement, 'using' the humans. The people had a choice...Homer is not a fatalist..Priam could have sent his insipid son back to Greece with Helen and saved his worthwhile son, his city and his people. The foolish Priam allowed his paternal guilt to win; he was 'guilted out' for loving Hector more so he choose to protect the weak son, Paris. The rest is history but the lesson, IMO, was that the real Trojan Horse was the politically correctness (the metaphor of) or weakness of King Priam. Everybody in Troy died and Troy vanished from the face of the earth because of compassion for the weak, irresponsible, selfish, stupid one.

'People who do not learn from the mistakes of History are destined to repeat those mistakes'.

He isn't bowing. He is showing what his policies are making every American do..bend over.