Human life is of no value in China. Hope all those who praise the barbaric nation finally admit to the failures of communism.

we need to juxtopose this with CBCpravdas doctored sepia toned pictures of an old trona power plant (which had been decommissioned years before ) used to illustrate global warming and the Harper Regimes resistance.

remember it was only weeks ago that the MSM declared China's leadership in climate change proposals.

PM Harper says China and others must clean up their act, otherwise no discusions on new Kyoto.

Chretien, Susuki, Maurice Strong say leave them alone. But send money.

mmmm, seems like it is not about the environment after all. Could it be about a socialistic money transfer scheme with United Nation agents ? Ya think !?

I posted this a while back in readers tips, ah well at least it made it!

Ah, but how much of that is actually the real culprit, carbon dioxide? /sarc

Clean up your act or we will send back all the mcHappy meal toys!

Ya China is serious about climate change, how about being serious about real pollution?

The Chinese throw a little money on some "biggest ever" solar and wind projects and it buys them all the slack they need going into Copenhagen and boosts their Global PR with Left Leaning politicians. They all run around saying China is kicking the West's butt on climate change now.

BS the west is building all the factories for turbines and Solar in China with Western Money, they just know stupid westerners will buy turbines and panels made in China. They do not care about climate, it is a low cost solution for them politically.

It is a win win win for them.

1)Gives them standing and leverage at UNFCCC Talks and raises global view of China diverting away attention on things like industrial pollution.

2)Encourages Foreign Investment in China for Exports to the West in a new market.

3)Allows them access to manufacturing technologies and products from Western Companies.

Would you not build a token Solar and Wind Farm to capture what is going to be a 2 Trillion Dollar Business over the next 25 years capitalizing on Doomed to Fail Western Energy Policies?

They are not communists not stupid!

Come on we all know that the only real danger to to planet's environment is the Alberta oil sands.

They are not communists not stupid!

Should read

They ARE communists, not stupid?

My Bad

Ron 2:49, you got a bullseye with that comment.

And the Canadian Cancer Agency is going nuts over pesticides on our lawn. Advocacy groups are dangerous because they are incapable of stopping even after they have won. MADD wants zero tolerance for alcohol and random breathalyzer tests even though drunk driving is way down and now mainly the purview of alcoholics. The Canadian Cancer society would push for an end to pesticides even though we know DDT prevents deaths in Africa and our modern agriculture and a world of hungry people depend on it. The BC Cancer Agency has stated that it's first non-commercial pesticides then they go after agriculture. I guess they think actually dying of starvation is better than a slightly increased risk of dying of cancer.

With Obama is over there this week it will be a moment when the pollution stopped spewing and the festering sores and cancers began to heal and it will again be safe to eat a feral cat.

Absolutely, Largs. After all, none of those pictures had the only innocent victims that matter -dead geese.

If you go over to the Globe and Mail, there is yet another story about how Canada is an embarrassment, an ecological villain. Of course there is no discussion of our actual emissions or environmental protection policies. Polices that have prevented totalitarian government sized eco-disasters. The writer only regurgitates the usual per capita emissions comparisons. If China and India get a pass because of overpopulation and poverty then Canada should be able to count its uninhabited land mass and small population as offsets to our economic success. Or, better yet, scrap the entire scam and let the science catch up before politicians win the race to increase taxes and controls.

OH. MY. GOD. This is horrible. Thank you for posting this Kate, but it seriously makes me want to cry.

Largs at November 14, 2009 3:02 PM

How true! I turned off a bulb and ate a greenie in order to do my part. [/sarc]

PM to skip summit on climate change

Good news!

and when the townspeople go to the big city to petition for action, they get grabbed off the street and thrown in jail:

3w dot hrw dot org/en/news/2009/11/02/china-secret-black-jails-hide-severe-rights-abuses

China isn't even communist now, it's some amalgam of the worst of communism and the worst of capitalism.

They are not communists not stupid!
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Crap! No matter how hard I try to fall on my sword, it never works. I must be retarded or something.

Oops, I said "retarded". I expect the word police to be showing up any minute now.

"If China and India get a pass because of overpopulation and poverty then Canada should be able to count its uninhabited land mass and small population as offsets to our economic success."

Zing !!!

For the most part these pictures are not unlike industrial parts of north America fifty to sixty years ago. It wasn't pressure from outside countries that made us clean up our act, but prosperity and the time it gives citizens to protest and demand change.

We should stop with the holier than thou attitude.

Tulk @ $:15

"We should stop with the holier than thou attitude. "

Shouldn't that be "Eco-Vangelists" should stop with the holier than thou attitude.?

Man, that makes me want to run right out to Walmart and do my part to keep Industry producing!

All you watermellons out there wonder why we get so down on ecofriendly socialism, take a good look. That is not allowed to happen in modern Western countries because of PROPERTY RIGHTS, no some socialist regulatory setup that big guys can buy off.

In other words, if your factory leaks crap into my property I can sue the hell out of you until you make it stop. They can't do that in China, and it shows.

You might also look into what happens to people when they complain about stuff in China. They arrested the guy who raised hell over the melamine poisoned baby formula, because Barry was coming over and they didn't want Poison Milk Guy making a scene.

I f-ing hate commies. I really do.

I'm with Catherine at 3:46PM. That picture of the man with cancer trying to sleep sitting up, his head down on the bed, is sad. No one should have to live like that. If your only reaction to this is to give a "shout out" for capitalism, you're no better than Obama giving a "shout out" to a friend before he (eventually) gets around to talking about Fort Hood. Yes, a lot of what liberals say is silly, even infuriating. But I know a few whose first reaction to those pictures would not be to score political points. Those liberal friends of mine, empathetic as they are, have an important role to play in our society, as a counterweight to us, just as we are a counterweight to them.

Incidentally, those pictures show basically how Great Britain lived in the early days of the industrial revolution. The basic problem is human greed and callousness, accentuated by occasional bouts of outright sadism. You will find that in all societies.

Gord Tulk makes a good point.
I vaguely recall reading somewhere long ago that the magic number is about $5500 GDP per head at which point the pollution abates as the prosperity rises.

Sadly, tho, most western greenies looking at these selective pics will take them as proof positive of the evil of industrialization (having of course gained a high level of prosperity via the same means).

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/11/14/apec-summit.html#socialcomments

Come on over and have some fun with the leftards......they want to sign on to Copenhagen.....save the world, you know, see the unicorns and all other hopey changey stuff!

Let's also remember that in the early days of the Industrial Revolution industries and government were in a learn-as-you-go phase. Totalitarian governments like the Soviets and China know that there is ways to control the pollution but they don't want to.

Willy's eco-socialist-fascism.

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"Those liberal friends of mine, empathetic as they are, have an important role to play in our society, as a counterweight to us, just as we are a counterweight to them."

That's just a myth spun by the liberal/left media, educator's etc., etc over the last 40 years. They've marginalized conservatism so much that you believe what they say.

Never buy into that lie RSP. The left/liberals are very rarely right about anything period.

Kate, I love it when you do these kind of postings. Keep it up, show us reality so we can hit the leftards over the head with it. (real conservative)

Well, this has not much to do with communism, and pretty much everything to do with "Chimerica", and the fact that China made a quick jump from pre-industrial to its current role as a highly accelerated manufacturing nation, with little in the way of regulation to protect consumers and the environment along the way.

As other posters have alluded to, this is what keeps the price of limitless plastic children's toys to a reasonable minimum.

Until every country and special-interest group agrees to stop pandering to this filthy Third World hell-hole, China will always look and smell like death.

Osumashi Kinyobe - my young daughter got some fake plastic teeth for Halloween - she put them in her mouth for a millisecond - then spat them out saying "Gross, they taste like China". Funny.

The phantom:

Property rights and environmental Impacts were very ill-defined here about half a century ago. Give the chindians et al time. The Indians have huge head start over the Chinese because of their english parliamentary tradition, but I think the Chinese and others will catch up.

And let's not forget that our constitution in canada says nothing about property rights - we are at the mercy of our government in that respect.

Erik, it's really scary because many toys, even candy, are geared towards children. Even the Chinese will not buy the toys they make for THEIR kids.

These photos almost make me vomit just looking at them. No money can clean up this mess, only respect for human life can.

damn, that's ugly. Prolly like looking at 19th century England.

How can anyone even try to put down these wonderful pictures of a developing land. Come on we all know Communism is perfect. These are taken by reactionaries. Progressives respect Mother Earth don't yeah know?
Its not like one of our horrible Capitalist Countries where factories have regulations after all.

Gord Tulk care to back up this claim of yours?

"For the most part these pictures are not unlike industrial parts of north America fifty to sixty years ago"

North America certainly does not have a blemish-free record when it comes to environmental damage, but I submit that your comment quoted above is a gross exaggeration.

But even if we assume it is true, it tells us something about China when they seem to have little interest in learning from the mistakes others have made.

I vaguely recall reading somewhere long ago that the magic number is about $5500 GDP per head at which point the pollution abates as the prosperity rises.
~Me No Dhimmi

Give the chindians et al time. The Indians have huge head start over the Chinese because of their english parliamentary tradition, but I think the Chinese and others will catch up.
~Gord Tulk

China will catch up with prosperity and quality of life because why?
Do you think that the Communist government is afraid that they will be replaced by the "other" party in the next election?

Give your heads a shake.

The brutal irony is that most environmental groups and the "sustaintability industry" that infects our universities are highly socialist, and regard western capitalism as a great evil that must be sacrificed to save the planet.

Mao Stlong say: O, my Commissar of USA.

Boob Lae, my nephew, Commissar of Canada.

Victoly is Mao's.

Welcome to the New World Order.
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"China's role on world stage is no cause for alarm, says Barack Obama
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How come I didn't see Mo's house in any of those pictures?

Oh I forgot, "Good for me not for thee."

How's that globalization working out for ya, Walmart lovers? Out of sight, out of mind?

The pollution in China, along with the poor working and living conditions, will end when China's workers are unionized./sarc

Tj: are you seriuos? Cholera breakouts happened in the US In the early 50s. I bet lots of people who visit this blog didn't have running water or indoor plumbing sixty years ago. And rivers like the rouge were so polluted they spontaneously caught fire. Automobiles had nil emissions controls. The Sydney tarpits ring a bell? Ever talk to someone who worked in the oilfield in the fifties?

How about we make energy-intensive industry so expensive in North America that it all goes to China where they could care less about burning clean?

Oh right, that's what Copenhagen wants to do.

All these defendants need is one Muslim on each jury of their peers and regardless of any evidence the result will be hung juries at best.

Convictions have to be unanimous and no Muslim would risk being ostracized, or worse, by their community.

sorry, wrong thread

Of course we have a bad rep on fighting pollution, under DeYawn as EnvironMENTAL Minister, the emissions rose by 30%. When the Cons took over they were already fighting a losing battle. Every time this fact is presented to the LIEberals they say that it was in the past and not a reflection to our current conditions and government. Iffy was right when he said; “you didn’t get it done.” (Actually that is the ONLY statement that gets him a miniscule bit of credibility as well as the Puffin remark.)

We have to be careful though, Harper is using the term “Global Warming” and "carbon emissions" as a fact and he wants Canada to harmonize with the US on the Cap & Trade – which will add a tax on everything. You think Ontario and BC are angry over the Harmonized Tax, wait until the Cap & Trade will be added to that one. All that money going to China, India, Russia etc. will come out of your pocket as a tax payer. I guess you could call it the UN Tax on the working people of the world.

I think that Parliament should install at least ten wind turbines on Parliament Hill – This will show the environMENTALists that the government is serious. I also think every politician – Federal and Provincial - be forced to have one placed in their yards, so they can become accustomed to the noise pollution and dead birds in their back yards. Every environMENTALists like Dr. Fruitfly should also be forced to have them on their property.

In every other instance where properity levels increased, environmental controls increased. Many have argued that a major reason for the collapse of the FSU was the environmental catastrophies - most spectacularly Chernobyl - happening everywhere. Already in certain provinces and cities in india - Bangalore for example - old polluting vehicles have been banned. Cars manufacture in china have roughly the same emissions controls as ours do.

As a country's economy looks to move up market into the production of higher value goods (as the imminent dramatic rise in the yuan will necessitate the Chinese economy to do in the coming years) it makes good business sense to clean things up as that it a key issue for workers in that higher-skilled bracket.

In every other instance where properity levels increased, environmental controls increased...it makes good business sense to clean things up as that it a key issue for workers in that higher-skilled bracket.
~Gord Tulk

Or what?
Those higher-skilled workers will just leave China and work somewhere else?
Did I mention that China is a Communist country with increasing unemployment and the largest labour pool in the world?

That picture of the 15 year old Chinese boy, #23, who left school in the 2nd grade and is doing hard manual labour is compelling isn't it?
What does that picture tell you?

I'm living in China right now and have been for 5 of the last 8 years, if that counts for anything. Oz, yes, the photos are pretty bad.But in years of traveling around by motorcycle here I've never seen anything like those places; the photographer actively sought them out, he didn't lean out his hotel window and snap them.
Gord, I agree with you, it's more a function of a growing economy without the legal safeguards and restraints that protect the Canadian environment.As the economy improves, and it is slowly, the people pay more attention to the environment. I teach Post-grads at university, and all of them express strong interest in environmental protection.Even the peasants I hire to work on my ranch tell me that they care more about the environment than they did in years gone by. They are starting to see it in economic terms: a healthy environment is more productive.

As a more general point, China is not Communist. It is totalitarian with a mixed economy.And as bad as the pictures are, it's still better than Communism.

Oz: no, but the business owners will either out of the country or to a more cooperative province.

As for child labour, this country certainly isn't immune.

Keep in mind there is one very key difference - population density. Our low density made the impact considerably less acute.

As the economy improves, and it is slowly, the people pay more attention to the environment. I teach Post-grads at university, and all of them express strong interest in environmental protection.
~Rob

It matters not that the people care about the environment, the people don't have a say in it and aren't allowed to organize to be heard.
Remember Tiananmen Square.
Those tanks that we saw in the pictures came from the factory that was a couple of blocks away around the corner.

Did you know that every factory has it's own militia and heavy weapons like tanks readily available, Rob?

the business owners will either out of the country or to a more cooperative province.
~Gord Tulk

Again, it's a command economy.
The appearance of a mixed economy is just a pose, everything and everyone is at the whim of the Communist government.
To the extent that foreigners invest in the Chinese economy, that investment can simply be nationalized at the whim of the Chinese government if it so chooses, just as it was in Venezuela.

Change will come if the Communist government wants to reform the environmental and political conditions, if the Chinese government doesn't want to reform the environmental conditions, then change will not come.

The fulcrum to force change is what, individual prosperity in a closed system?
I don't think so.

When China has a 2 party system, then change may be possible.
I think there will be a war first.

But in years of traveling around by motorcycle here I've never seen anything like those places; the photographer actively sought them out, he didn't lean out his hotel window and snap them.

Yeah, he had to actively seek them out by leaving the "tourist" area you're living in, where everything is a presentation for westerners. But there's no need to "actively" seek these kinds of photo's out, they're everywhere.

meanwhile let's see what the despise al jazeera news agency has to say about china's black jails via a Foreign Policy web site link:

blog dot foreignpolicy dot com/posts/2009/04/28/chinas_black_jails

When communist Soviet Union devised a bold plan to turn the northbound rivers to the water starving central Asian regions of Kazakhstan, Turkmenia and Uzbekistan, the infamous Ministry of irrigation came up with the idea of using ground nuclear explosions for canal building.

They tested the theory in a sparsely populated remote areas of Syktyvkhar region, just West of Ural mountains. Fallout was such, that the area is still sealed.

Morale is that you can count on fingers of one hand people who know about that outside of the immediate area. Commies have means of hiding their sh1t. They did it in FSU, Iraq etc. etc.

Heres an Obama moment in Asia. Just in:

Here’s a rare Saturday OOTD for Hot Air readers, but this one can’t wait for Monday. Andrew Malcolm reports on Barack Obama’s latest breach of protocol, this time with Emperor Akihito of Japan: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/14/obamateurism-of-the-day-156/

I sent a message to www.mauricestrong.net and told him to Google "China Hush" and have a look at REAL pollution right in his back yard.

I also asked him if Interpol is still looking for him regarding the oil for food program.

I am sure i will get an answer.....

Oz: the protests at tianamen were very much a result of the rising economic conditions in china. That is the lesson to be learned. Further and further wealth will beget another liberalization of the Chinese. And while yes, china is a command economy, the flows of capital are not as strictly commanded from on high as you think. A huge portion of the Chinese economy is held in private hands.

Oz: please do nt misunderstand. I think we should he diligent in pointing out where the chinese (and the Indians and Pakistan, etc.) could improve their human rights or trade or martial conduct in public and in private. But applying our values - such as they are (see quebec's anti-trade conduct and other misdeeds)- on them, particularly when we are not that far removed from similar misconduct on the environmental and trade fronts doesn't help move things along. Better to be avuncular - we will see more progress that way IMO.

My uncle spent some time in China while Nortel was still around and he noticed that China was much more capitalist in some ways in respect to Canada, even the States. Human rights were still a very real and very big problem though.

Now you all know what happens when people igonore the problems of pollution!! Whatever happens over there doesn`t justify or minimize what we do here in N America. The solution is to boycott Chinese products!! They will take notice!!

picture 6

A box of Tide floating.

curious_george, I thought you were a lefty. Why would you be providing a link that reflects poorly on the socialists running China? I thought the Chinese were the good guys in the leftist world?

At least they are making all the things we love to buy so cheaply.You know........the kind of things we used to make in this country but had to pay a living wage and under environmental rules. Now that we no longer have factories we can rag on them with a clean conscience. God bless companies Like "accenture" for removing all those factories from our country. Who needs jobs anyway.

that's right peterj, most of that stuff was made here under much better environmental controls. But denying China the right to exploit their extreme labour surplus over human rights and environmental concerns was discrimination. So our fearless leaders (it was Chretien here in Canada) have turned a blind eye and assisted the migration of our manufacturing base to China.

Pete: "denying China the right to exploit their extreme labour surplus "

Do you seriously believe that was ideologically motivated, and not a deal made with two considerations in mind: whether to take Chicom money, funneled thru the triades, or to take a bullet from triades?

CBCpravda and the usual. a couple of native complainers with no actual facts. and CBCpravda puts them front and centre. I vote that Alberta recind its proportionate share of subsidies to the CBC , which is about 300 million , remember CBC - most of the country is a drain.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2009/11/15/edmonton-women-tour-uk-oilsands-awareness.html