That is before he passes the bill!

The health care bill will be law by the end of the year. Way to go President Obama.

Oh, I think it's a big question.

Nice guy, that Obama. Throwing people in jail for not having health insurance.

Next thing you know, he'll throw people in jail for not voting Democrat.

Inmate 1 "What are you in for?"

Inmate 2 "Murder. What are you in for?"

Inmate 1 "I didn't have any insurance!"

"I don't think throwing people in jail for not voting Democrat is the most important part of this bill"

I'm not seeing how it's anyone's business if someone buys health insurance or not. People could be dissatisfied with existing insurance or might even be leaving the vicinity.
Here's hoping the Senate doesn't pass this expensive monstrosity.

I have a question for Obama... if this health care plan is so great why does the government have to threaten people with jail time if they don't buy it? Huh? Why?

"if this health care plan is so great"

...why doesn't Congress and the President have to join up?

Actually, Jenn, it is a great plan. It allows the government to takeover 1/6th of the economy. It allows for the creation of 111 new departments, panels, administrations or councils and more importantly, the budget and staff for those departments, panels, administrations or councils. It's just not much of health plan.

Well, in order to lock up all the insurance scofflaws, they'll have to release all the violent criminals. Who will then, presumably, all buy insurance.

Obama decides which questions are meaningful to you.
Didn't you get the memo?

"I don't think throwing people in jail for not voting Democrat is the most important part of this bill"

But it is a part near and dear to his heart. :-)

Geez bambam if you are going to send people to jail for 'gaming the system' then you had better start with Nancy and work your way down. Course after Porkulus you would not have a party. Not that I would mind if Dodd, Murtha and like got life.

This has got to be the health nazi's wetdream. It's not too far to imagine the insurance companies not covering anyone who smokes or is overweight. Therefore, to avoid jail, you'll have to quit smoking or loose weight.

Speedy:

Oh, please let's get Bahney Fwank in there first. I can't stand it when I hear that simpering, overweight gasbag pontificate on things he clearly doesn't understand. I bet he'd get a lot of action on the inside.

Navy:

Actually, there are many health insurance companies in the states that impose a surcharge if you smoke, or are overweight. Makes economic sense to me - smokers have more lung diseases and strokes, and the overweight are more likely to develop diabetes, which I found out to my chagrin. I have to check my blood sugar 4 or 5 times a day, and the test strips cost about 80 cents each. That's about $1,000 a year, and I have to get my pills, my insulin, and my needle tips as well. Take a look around when you visit the pharmacy next - the places are filled with diabetes products.

This is a new age version of the 'prisoners dilema'.

You go to prison for not having health insurance, however as soon as you are a prisoner you are automatically covered by the state until your release, when you again won't be covered.

So you are either a law abiding prisoner or a free range criminal.

Yes Kathryn I see your point. It really is not about health care is it. It is about government reach and power and in that case it is a great plan.

The nanny state introduces a new concept: Healthcrime.

If you don’t buy health insurance you go to jail.

If you are a muzz terrorist at Gitmo you go to the nice sunny Bahamas.

This just makes it what it is, a tax....you go to jail if you refuse to pay your taxes.....unless of course you are treasury Secretary

“I think the general broad principle is simply that people who are paying for their health insurance aren't subsidizing folks who simply choose not to until they get sick and then suddenly they expect free health insurance."

So Barak doesn't want an unfair burden on people who've paid for insurance already. That burden being having to pay the healthcare costs of those who don't pay for, or pay enough to cover their own costs. His solution: an unfair burden on people who've paid for insurance already. That burden being having to pay the healthcare costs of those who don't pay for, or pay enough to cover their own costs; or, in other words, socialized healthcare.

Btw T, you may just be correct about this one.

“even a garbage can gets a steak”-Jay-Z

If you are hoping the Senate will save you from the Healthcare monstrosities, you better think again.

This will pass and before year end, I expect it on the floor for a vote right after Thanksgiving. The Dems are playing a "game" as they assemble the plan in the backroom, that game is not providing a bill for CBO scoring at all, they will do the same thing Boxer did and say it will be to say it is the same as the House Bill.

Then a release quick then vote via reconciliation, using the EPA CO2 regulation "hammer" being delayed as an incentive for moderate Senators trying to protect their States from Climate Regulation outside the control of Congress.

Blair 450 pm - that's brilliant!

The real question is how much jail time BAMBAM gets for sedition----if he is lucky and doesn't decorate a lampost Mussulini style.
That's what Pelosi and T's greatest fear is....and why they really hate the 2nd Amendament....
But then lefies have such phobias because they resort to violence so often...

I'll take bets on someone doing a jfk on a senator or two before Christmas.

I'm no left-winger, but I fail to "get" the outrage over lack-of-insurance penalties that include jail time. In Canada, if you are convicted of driving without insurance, the penalties range from $300 to $2,000 with the possibility of jail time up to 6 months.

I'm so confused. I thought the whole ostensible point of socialized medicine was to give people a "free ride" on health care. (What Indy said @5:43)

If only some caring politician would stand up for those poor people who simply can't afford insurance!

Time for Americans to start cleaning their guns. When they throw you in jail for your health your dealing with madmen.
Rational talk will not work with the insane. Obama See's as no problem because he's rich & will never face this, nor his cronies. It was a power grab & they won.

Meanwhile, I hear that Canadian troops in Afghanistan are giving swine flu shots to Taliban prisoners... can't let the filthy scum catch something while in detention now can we. Another frikkin politically correct decision. Probably have a better dental plan than most Canadians too.

Associated Press disses O'Hope and disassociates itself: O is now hopeless.

"*This is his sole legacy: a massive post-traumatic stress disorder."
...-

""Hope" and "change" were en vogue back then. But "change" didn't happen overnight, as the rhetoric of campaigning crashed headlong into the realities of governing. And "hope" slipped in a country that always has clung to it."

"AP-GfK Poll: Country in a funk"
urlm.in/dmhp
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"CMU study: Hope can be harmful to mental health"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2378591/posts

"*Barack Obama - Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic?
Sam Vaknin, Ph.D. - 8/13/2008"
urlm.in/butj

It isn't a done deal. The Dems are like the Liberals. Some won't vote if it includes abortions and some won't vote if it doesn't. The Senate has their own health care bill and may not pass this one.
bambam has to get it through this year due to mid term elections next year and the Dems may not do so well. His presence did not seem to do any good in the recent contests. There is a good chance this Bill will not come about.

The 45 Million uninsured are not going to rush out and buy health insurance, are they stupid?.. They want it free and they already know how to use the system to get free health care, that part of the Bill is pure bullshit. The jail threat is meaningless.

It will become a known problem and the 2016 DNC plank will be to give everyone free "primary" health care, this will clear the Emergency rooms... a 45 trillion mistake

This is similar to the illegal Immigration problem. Giving amnesty & citizenship does not result in tax paying citizens. They have >20 years working under the radar without paying taxes, what idiot would not become the front guy importing & training 10 more illegal aliens how to game the system. The number of illegal aliens grows exponentially with every amnesty, as does the health care costs

If the IRS just audited those that got amnesty they would find >98% are tax cheats.. That pays for a lot of health care

IA: no way a bill passes before Christmas although something could be done by new years. Pelosi and Obama seem hell-bent on a govt option regardless of the devestation it will caue the dems in 2010. Reid however seems less motivated as are quite a few in the senate. Just as the design of the senate has saved the US from several other rash acts ove the years it seem likely that it will perform the same function yet again.

It's interesting logic, isn't it? Before Barack's Big New Plan, people without insurance were victims. Come the Big New Plan, they're leeches, lumpenproles, criminals. With friends like Obama...

(BTW - do you think uninsured illegal... er, undocumented immigrants might one day be facing "jail time" for refusing to buy American health insurance? Still so confused...)

Henceforth - I shall address and, refer to, the TOTUS as "Chairman Barak Insain Obama" or -as "Chairman O".

Kind of like "Chairman O"

Ya - thats what I'll be using.

Hey, Mr. President. Do you remember taking some sort of oath around Jan. 20th. It had something in there about UPHOLDING THE CONSTITUTION! Why don't you pull out a copy of it and scan down to the amendments part. And right there in the very first amendment it says that the people have the right to peaceably assemble. And if I have the right to assemble, I also have the right to NOT assemble! So, if I don't want to "assemble" into a health plan with others, if I want to go it on my own - I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO SO WITHOUT GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE!

Gord Tulk

Reid put Healthcare on the Calendar for a procedural vote on Monday Nov 16th which will pass and debate will start on Tuesday.

CBO is scoring the bill now as far as I can tell based on reports.

They are going to ram this through. Just watch.

I'm no left-winger, but I fail to "get" the outrage over lack-of-insurance penalties that include jail time. In Canada, if you are convicted of driving without insurance, the penalties range from $300 to $2,000 with the possibility of jail time up to 6 months.

Posted by: Rete at November 10, 2009 6:18 PM

You can choose to not own a car and thereby avoid buying insurance. You are not mandated to have a vehicle and with the choice to drive comes responsibility.

This HC Reform Mandate says just by being alive you must have Health Insurance you cannot make any decision to not have it.

That is the difference.

For people on the left, the question of forcing others to do what you want is never an issue.

Here's what Obama is thinking:
"Jail? Why would jail be an issue? People need to do what we tell them. If they do that, they'll be fine, there will be no jail."

Illiquid assets: Good point.

People should not be thrown in jail for doing nothing. If they pass the bill, some US citizens will be thrown in jail if they take no action. The status quo should not be a crime.

Before I answer that question,can I give a shout out...

Texas Canuk @7:24 pm.
I'm not so sure the Afghan prisoners will be too keen to take the swine flu shots. Isn't the vaccine derived fron those filthy, disgusting porkers they so detest? Same here back in Canukistan - wait for the law-suits to start flying over the health authorities injecting a certain cultural and religious ethnicity with "unclean" vaccine. Is that the rubbing of lawyers hands I hear?