This continually painting all Muslims as extremists on this web site is deplorable to say the least. This is a very anti-Muslim website and does nothing to serve humanity. I know a lot of Muslims and am very good friends with some and they certainly do not condone the violence some Muslims perpetrate, nor is the violence some Christians and Jews commit accepted. Stop this generalization of Muslims as it is blatantly untrue and despicable.

T, so do I - but you have to call a spade a spade. This guy was no 'moderate Muslim,' and the media reports that continually "search for a motive" in spite of the reports that this guy yelled "Allahu Akbar" at the top of his lungs before opening fire are incredibly ridiculous.

You are both full of shXt.
Quit making excuses for a religion that either wants to convert me, enslave me or kill me.

When someone else comes along and starts killing more innocent people than Muslims do then maybe the spotlight could be taken off of them for awhile.

As long as Muslims are on the front page everyday for killing innocent, unarmed people they are probably going to garner some attention. My advice to the moderates would be "find a new religion as the one you have now is a complete disgrace".

I know I'm asking for it but;

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Is there anything wrong with "quiet faith"?? Why is it always US against THEM? Why can't people just be people and let other people be their own people? Elements of Fanaticism and Intolerance rule the day, manifesting in all manner of wacko eruptions and blatant sabotage. It has to come down to "us getting them before they get us". If people would keep to themselves, I don't care if they are huge backers of the Tooth Fairy, I just don't see why people have the propensity to want to submarine each other. Is it true that "EVERYBODY wants to rule the World"??

There might well be a moderate muslim or two, but how do you discern between the radical and the moderate? They would have us believe they are all moderates, and then out of the blue, one of them detonates. Not like the majority of muslims speak up against their evil suicidal brethren. islam ia just a sick demented death cult, that has no value, because it and its followers are too stupid to evolve.

Then tell your friends to speak up. We hear nothing from the "Moderate" Muslim community except that they fear the reprisals that have not happened.

All we see is Muslims carrying signs saying "Islam will rule the world" "Behead those who insult Islam" We watch as Muslims commit atrocities around the world. While you and people like you tell us their is nothing to it. It is only a handful of Muslims doing it.

If Muslim violence against non Muslims (or even other Muslims) were a rare thing, perhaps we could believe you, but it is a daily occurrence.

If you or other enlightened and tolerant people want to stand by and watch your way of life destroyed go for it. Just make sure you wear a big "D" on your shirt so that people like me won't waste any time trying to save you or your family's sorry ass when the time comes.

T:

I know a lot of Muslims and am very good friends with some and they certainly do not condone the violence some Muslims perpetrate

Over the past 10 years, I have (at different jobs) worked with 6 Muslims. All but one of them were also what I would call good people who "certainly do no condone the violence some Muslims perpetrate."

But, there is one huge difference that stands out to me between them and Christians who see fellow Christians commit violent acts in the name of their religion.

When, for example, a self-described "Christian" - claiming to be acting based on their faith - does something like assasinate an abortion doctor, you see Christians lining up everywhere to not only say that they don't condone the act...they condemn it. They reject loudly and forcefully that the dastardly act has anything to do with their faith. They pledge to fight the scourge behind the idea that their religion accepts such ideas and they call for those that would pervert their religion to be hunted down and taken out of mainstream society.

Muslims don't do this. It is not enough to say that you don't condone an act...you must take a stand when it is being done in the name of whatever group you belong to.

Where is the resistance within the Muslim community striving to put down this internal group whose acts they "don't condone"?

You will never hear of Christians decrying the news media for reporting of an act atrocity by one of their brethren...claiming that it may lead to some sort of "backlash."

Again..."not condoning" is not enough. The "vast majority" of Germans did not condone the Holocaust committed by their government (and in the name of the German state) during the Second World War. That wasn't enough to stop the actual act or the resulting (much-deserved) contempt their nation faced as a result of it.

The only heros of Nazi Germany were those who organized and fought against it. Those who simply sat by and "didn't condone" it were (by their own lack of action) still serving the interests of the evil by conitnuing to work and produce for the evil state.

Where is the Muslim resistance?

T

you know some moderate muzzies, then please have them post on here about how they do not support this sort of violence, have them write their MPs and tell them they do not support this sort of thing, and then have them go to the police and tell the police who in the muslim community that the police should keep an eye on!!!

I also know some muslims, and they tell me that many moderate muslims DO support these radicals. One by not condeming the perps, two by subtle financial support, and three by associating with them , thus allowing these extremists a safe haven by allowing them to blend in with the community at large

BTW; read some of Salim Manur's articles on this, he also disagrees wih you

T, I am assuming you are a muslim. As a Canadian I am alarmed when I see muslim women dressed as they are in the middle east while the males wear a golf shirt and jeans, which is part of Islam making a political statement these are our women and we control them. When muslims demand sharia law and we must change our schools, our cafeterias, our businesses or pools and OUR way of life to suit theirs Canadians must fight back not roll over. If muslims want Canada to be the same as the abysmal countries they left why come here.

Reading and listening to Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders and others who have lived in muslim society warning us what will happen when muslims expand in Canada then seeing it happen just as they warned, the honour killings, the no-go areas, the violence preached in the mosques and killings like Fort Hood. The lessons of muslim immigration forcing countries from Denmark to Australia to tighten their policies we ignore to our peril.

When we are told about and read the Koran where muslims are required to lie to non-muslims I simply do not believe what they say. When we can not criticize Islam under pain of a death threat and our leftist MSM refuses to report this danger or our Human Rights Council persecutes those like Mark Steyn and Macleans for printing the truth don't you think we must react to this real threat.

I believe Kate and the excellent posters on this site are part of warning us about what Islam really represents and it certainly isn't the religion of peace!

Why is this discussion heading off track? Nice try T with the 'intolerance' cry.
I get bashed for my faith on a regular basis. So what? It goes with the territory.

What cannot be ignored and must be brought to the forefront is the deliberate attempt of the MSM to paint the guy a victim, as well as the 'rights and tolrance' mentality that ignored all the warning signs that this guy could not be trusted, and should not have been in the US military. That is the story here.

T: Go here and have a look at a summary of SIXTEEN Islamist events in the US ..... JUST THIS PAST MONTH.

And please drop your ridiculous charge that Kate is tarring ALL Muslims. She isn't. And are we to believe that Islam is not a threat, despite about 15,000 Islamist attacks worldwide since 9/11, because you happen to have a few Muslim friends who seem nice. Who cares. And besides, it's perfectly clear from your posts here that you'd be too tender and naive to detect taqiyya..

To all intents and purposes at one time Nidal Hassan was considered a 'moderate Muslim' how else would he have been educated by the US army. Now with this one act of terrorism he has been able to immobilize this army just as the Afghani that killed the British soldiers that had been training him did last week. If the "Free World" is ever called upon to defend freedom and democracy in the future tell me who you want at your six.

Are these the actions of the "moderates"?

http://www.aina.org/news/20091105184042.htm

http://www.forum18.org/Archive.php?article_id=1372

http://www.persecution.net/pnp.htm#0911041

When I see the moderates turning in the radicals then T words might have a little merit!

T,

I think Edgar Cayce refered to you as the "Don't get eaten by the coyotes" generation.

you wouldn't get away with that in Scrabble :)

Steyn nails it as usual.

So glad to be back connected to the real world.

"Jihad Today Names Barack Obama Man Of the Year
You Tube ^ | 11/08/09 | RobtKraft

Aren't you proud of President Obama for being named Jihad Today's Man of the Year? It is an honor that is richly deserved.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381784/posts

I think were pretty well unanomous on this Hollywood thing, so lets start from there.

Islam. Muhammad's last meal will be:

a. Pork chops.
b. Pork belly.
c. Pork knuckles.
d. All of the above.
...-

"Beltway sniper fights execution as region remembers terror [Tuesday is THE DAY]

Convicted Beltway sniper John Allen Muhammad is filing last-minute appeals, trying to avoid a Tuesday appointment in Virginia's death chamber.

The legal scramble is reviving memories for countless in the D.C. region who lived through the three weeks in October 2002 when Muhammad and his ward, Lee Boyd Malvo, went on a rampage that terrorized the capital region.

Picking out strangers at random, they opened fire from a hole cut in an old car, leaving notes behind to taunt police and to celebrate the carnage they inflicted. By the time the pair was finished, 10 were dead, three were wounded and many more who had already lived through the Pentagon attack on 9/11 and an anthrax scare were traumatized."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381770/posts

It's time the PC crowd start taking it on the chin, instead of those less "morally enlightened" taking bullets from nutcases that go unreported because it's more important to be nice, instead of stating the truth.

Thanks progressives - just another fine mess you've got us into. Care to take responsibility sometime?

Tripper I'd love to keep to myself... really but the nonsense spewed by bleeding hearts is getting too deep to ignore.

Has anyone mentioned the irony of the Muslim shooter at Hood being stopped by a woman?

I agree with Atric. It is not discriminatory to name and fight those that wish your submission, conversion or destruction.

I too know "moderate" or "secular" muslims. But the muslims who follow The Prophet's example know they are not real muslims.

Stop this generalization of Muslims as it is blatantly untrue and despicable.
Posted by: T at November 8, 2009 6:30 PM

Only some Muslims are "'terroists", but the rest of the practicing Muslims support them with prayers and zagat. Would you like to lie some more my mohammedan friend?

Liberals adore embracing the worst of the worst - as long as there is no risk. A sense of feeling they never had on the school ground, getting beat up.

Too often revenge manifests it self as something way beyond it's equivalance.

bluetech:
I'm sure most of us have.

The thing I relish the most is that he saw the woman shooting at him. Most likely the last thing he saw. At this point he had already killed and wounded unarmed women.

I take that to bed with me every night and sleep very well.

"terroists" is a Freudian slip for "a$$hole terrorists"

bluetech said "Has anyone mentioned the irony of the Muslim shooter at Hood being stopped by a woman?"

I think Phantom mentioned it a couple topics ago. Plus I think he took too much glee in it so I will be reporting him to the HRC. I'm sure he hurt someones feelings somewhere.

I only hope that in all the reports in the Middle East that they mention a woman was responsible for his capture. That will really piss them off.

A colleague of mine who is an electrician was doing work at a factory in Toronto on 9/11. A lot of the employees there were Muslims. He told me a huge party broke out whey they found out about the planes and he had to leave the plant because he feared for his life. I am sure that the employees were just a general cross section of the Muslim population of Toronto. There are no moderate Muslims.

wonder what mosque T attands and if T is paid to go online & play defender of the faith by screaming victim?

New variety of Muslim discovered: "Radical Muslem".
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"Radical Muslem Hails Fort Hood Massacre

New York City bicycle cabbie who mocked the murder of American journalist Daniel Pearl and posted a prayer on the Web calling for the murder of Jews is now sending a "Get Well Soon" message to the suspected Fort Hood gunman, the New York Post reported.

Yousef al-Khattab, 41, a radical Muslim in the borough of Queens who runs RevolutionMuslim.com, claims on the site that the soldiers massacred at the Texas base deserved to be massacred, and he insists the victims are in "eternal hellfire." As for the suspected gunman — Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan — Al-Khattab hails him as a hero.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381759/posts
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"Lieberman Refuses to Ignore the Obvious

Sen. Joe Lieberman distinguishes himself from the maddening mush emanating from elected leaders and the chattering class on the Foot Hood massacre. He states what should be, and I think is to ordinary Americans, obvious: this from all appearances is “the worst terrorist attack since 9/11.” Based on what we know, Lieberman says that Hasan seems to be a “self-radicalized, homegrown terrorist.” Shocking, I know, to tie the murderer’s own words, actions, and behavior to the heinous slaughter of our troops, but there’s precious little of that going on so far. Lieberman therefore proposes a full-blown investigation, citing plenty of evidence that Hasan “turned to Islamist extremism”:

“If that is true, then this was a terrorist act,” Lieberman said.

“This is not the first attempt by Islamist extremists to go after U.S. military bases,” the senator added, noting foiled plots to attack Fort Dix and Quantico and the shooting death of an Army recruiter in Little Rock, Ark., by a Muslim convert this summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2381763/posts

Say what you will T, but the backlash is coming. The responsibility for it will be laid at the feet of all those 'moderate' Muslims you speak of.

Where are they, if they even exist?

Today I put myself at a personal risk, to establish something. Just being in public an exposing myself to possible H1N1 is a risk...hanging out with the local muslims is a greater risk. The best way to hide is in the open....they do not see me as a risk---a friendly out-going white guy----and their guard goes down.
In English they seek to change the subject but in Arabic they are celebrating it and are really P***ed that a girl shoot their martyr.
I learned a long time past to conceal my proficiency in Arabic and not to utter a word of Arabic and to maintain a poker face.
All T has succeeded in doing is to announce he has been duped.
I have made a point to remind the locals that having their women in bags just draws attention---and derision......that I learned in my twenties to wear a hat to avoid the clever attention of the rest of society---I'm bald.....that just brings forth declarations that that sort of thing is a western thing---that muslims don't make fun of folk over their appearance---I counter--yeah but then again we don't mutilate our women's genitalia-----the idiots than go into a long recital about how that is a necessary aspect of Islam because women are so inferior....I just laugh----I tell them if they would smarten up their women would prefer them....
It gets interesting----I just know they hate my guts but they persist.....thinking I can be converted.
It's sorta like being able to read their minds---
If it was my call---they would be sent back from whence they came..
..ALL.

Are you telling us that
Maj. Nidal Hasan
who is

US army. and grow by hand of US army and US government
do not forgot where the person live and come from
and
he also

was
co-accused
with George Busha and Dick cheney
in other crime happend in

in Texas

in participate

attacking in Set 11, 2001

too?

such the story to
wash thier hand and
blame it to Muslim now!

Great liars

come on
give me a break

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please just take army weapon out of theri hand
this is USA not war zone
they do not need to have gun in place they live

they are not police too

====

let police watch army personal from now
on

as we heard that kimberly is also civil police
not army

====
police when working use gun
when leave office leave their gun in the office
not in their home

take gun from hand of other people
count all bolute
and register every gun in US and world

problmes can be resolve or reduced
if you care about not allow anybody kill anybody

Ah crap, new is at it again... this time as Info.

OK, let's look at a little parallel here.

Let's say one of your provinces is low on money, and as a consequence they decide to release criminals who have committed murder.

Now all these guys are being given a fresh start in your neighborhood.

You say to a neighbor, "My God! I don't feel safe with all of these violent people moving into the neighborhood! What about my wife and kids?!"

So your neighbor says, "Hey, don't worry about it. At least half of these guys are reformed."

Feel better now?

I understand that lying, deception, and other cowardly tactics are acceptable forms of warfare for muslim warriors- hiding in schools, suicide bombings, and using UN ambulances to transport weapons and terrorists come to mind as examples.

western civilization requires a certain honour system to function which makes it very difficult to fight back against muslim aggression that uses such deceptive tactics. political correctness and the fact that being PC trumps everything else including our safety (ignoring muslims chanting "allah akhbar in an airport to harrass little old christian ladies instead) makes it almost impossible

minuteman
[..]A colleague of mine who is an electrician was doing work at a factory in Toronto on 9/11. A lot of the employees there were Muslims. He told me a huge party broke out whey they found out about the planes and he had to leave the plant because he feared for his life. I am sure that the employees were just a general cross section of the Muslim population of Toronto. There are no moderate Muslims.[..]
Not unique nor an isolated occurance.
They really did have their guard down that day----it is amazing the expected backlash did not manifest. Perhaps we were still in shock.
The accumulating, repeat offences could be brutalizing us into lowering our cultural inhibitions to violence.

Here's something else.

Maybe 6 months ago there was a nice Muslim kid who moved to Corsicana, Texas.

Corsicana is far away from Dallas and Houston and big city life. Not exactly rural, but definitely small-town America.

People really liked this kid. They had heart to heart, intimate conversations with him. People invited him to their homes for dinner. He made good friends who liked him and presumably they liked him.

Problem was that a little while later, he was caught by the Feebies trying to blow up a skyscraper in downtown Dallas.

Outside of that, he was a good kid.

I'm with gellen in that I am overjoyed that Kimberly was likely the last person Nadil saw before he hit the ground. He was brought down by woman who does not, will not, comply with his faith's view of them. I am certainly no friend of feminism, in most of its manifestations, but I wouldn't want to argue it with Kimberly, especially if she is armed.

O.J. offers to help? Why? He figure he can pin his wife's murder on this guy? The loopy left is really becoming...err...well...loopier.

Justthinkin - you really have to start clicking on the links.

I don't have anything to do with Muslims. Don't speak to them (unless you count laughing as speaking), don't do business with them, don't recognize them at all. I just bought something sorta major at WalMart the other day and had a Muslim cashier (dude named Mohammad so let's just assume...)open up.

"I'll take that."

"No, you won't, thanks."

I also let other people go ahead of me in line if I'm next and the next cashier is Muslim.

The Charter says you can't discriminate but it doesn't mandate interaction.

With all of those good folks "searching for a motive" - I suspect we'll have an answer by the morning.

T- you are spouting the usual line of 'I know a lot of Muslims who are good, and there are Jews and Christians who do..". This line, which we can all use, is not the point and is an example of refusing to face reality.

The point is..reality. The reality is that Islam is ideologically confrontational and hostile to any and all who are not Muslim. As well as being ideologically hostile, it is operationally hostile and I mean hostile in the sense of a constant murderous/terrorist agenda of destruction and mass murder..and you can see this from many sites, e.g., the website of 'the religion of peace dot com..

No other ideology has such an agenda, hidden or, as in the case of Islam, open and public. This confrontational and militant agenda, quiet for many years, has exploded since the 19th century and in particular, in the last three decades. The causes can be and have been thoroughly discussed elsewhere, but these causes have little to do with the West. They are deeply embedded within the Islamic world.

Therefore, reality has to be faced. We in the West have to confront this hostile agenda of Islam and reject it. This does not mean rejecting those 'good friends of ours who happen to be Muslim'. That's not the point. It's that basic agenda, written in their texts, preached in their mosques..that must be rejected.

We have to speak of it publicly. We have to ask them: Why do you write these words? Why do you preach this way? If you think this way, then, we don't want to deal with you.

And Muslims the world over, have to confront this agenda, and insist that they don't want to live as militants, as a people filled with hatred for other peoples.

But, avoiding this issue, and instead, hiding behind 'a few good friends' won't help them. Or us. It will simply enable more of the hatred to fester and explode.

Eleven million views. No comments allowed .

ET, you are wasting your time with this shallow bowl of jelly. It's T and his/her/its ilk that have paved the way, enthusiastically, for many more soldiers / citizens to die on home soil.

From The Great Train Robbery:

Judge: Now, on the matter of motive, we ask you: Why did you conceive, plan and execute this dastardly and scandalous crime?

Edward Pierce: I wanted the money.

Oftentimes the motive is self-evident. The motive is clear with Hasan Nidal - he wanted to kill US soldiers. Any inquiry into his motives by other parties is either train-wreck voyeurism or self-justification of moral relativism.

Regarding the search for a motive ... hatred comes immediately to mind. Has this church not heard of the 7 deadly sins? Hate is one of them.

POWinCA - heh, that's only what is called the 'immediate' or 'proximate cause'...wanting to kill US soldiers.

That's as superficial as accepting Pierce's answer of 'I wanted the money' as the only reason. The real reason is, the FINAL Cause..of WHY he wanted the money. To spend it...to buy things, to feel secure, to..

With Hasan, one has to ask beyond the immediate proximate cause of 'I wanted to kill US soldiers'..as to WHY he wanted to do so. For that, he have to search for that 'Final Cause' which will explain it.

And so far, the moral relativists are coming up with various stories that he, poor thing, was a victim of 'discrimination' ..sorry, a major doesn't get harassed; that he was traumatized by the stories of returning soldiers...sorry, that's his job..

And others are pointing to his actual words and actions, of praising suicide bombers, of openly declaring the wars in I and A were 'against Islam'; of preaching to his patients; etc.

It's important to move beyond the action of 'he killed US soldiers'..to finding out WHY he did this.

Be he moderate or extreme if someone tries to saw my head off with a butcher knife I am going to do my level best to plant his ass in the ground.

One positive is the harsh light of reality that will be brought to bear on Obama's ME policy.
More money for Palestinians? Oh wait, wasn't Major Hasan of Palestinian descent?...

A major can be harassed. Do you really think a marine sergeant, just back from Iraq, has any respect for an officer who's never been a combat soldier? You might be surprised by the actual pecking order, among military people. These front line soldiers get a pretty wide berth.

I don't care if he was called raghead by every person on the base, every time he walked by, it doesn't excuse his actions.

I'd be a lot more worried that this event will be seen as a call to arms to more muslim soldiers, than I would about a backlash against them. There are 3500 american military personel who identify themselves as muslims. That could be difficult to handle.

T:

Visit just about any Canadian university, and in between prayer time in the public hallways, and foot washing in the public washrooms, ask the Muslim graduate students whether they think non-Muslims are dogs.

Go do it. And report back.

The ostrich like behavior just blows me away. How can people like this call themselves adults?
Let alone professional reporters.
No wonder the public despises the MSM.
This is not stupidity, its psychotic.
JMO

In our church, we have a family first showed up to our services in late September.

The entire familt is being baptized this month.

When I talked to the father of this beautiful family today, he told me that there are an increasing number of former Muslims like him who have their eyes opened as to the nature of his former philosophy (I would not call it a religion).

“There is much more information available today," he said.

We are looking forward to accepting this gentle man and his family into the Christian religion.

There was one Gospel reading that particularly struck him.

“In time, they will kill you and say it is for God."

When I pointed out that verse seemed to prophesize something that would happen seven centuries after it was written, he nodded his head in agreement.

I was encouraged by his observation that an increasing number of Muslims he has spoken to sense a fundamentally angry tone in the message. We would welcome anybody he would bring into our congregation.

He made other observations, such as disagreeing that the texts could best be understood in Arabic.

I trust him when he says Muslims are starting to vote with their feet. This incidence at Fort Hood should spark an even greater exodus.

*
so when the media actually do find their elusive motive...
that'll make everything alright... right?

*

Motive, schmotive. He still alive so he'll tell his lawyer a story, which doesn't have to be true (since the infidels will be in the court), and we can bet it definitely will be harassment.

I figure if he couldn't find the Muslim wife who would wear hijab (according to his imam), then there was something wrong with him.

This is an interesting insight into the mind of a 17-yr old Egyptian-American Muslim from N.J. More than likely a 'moderate' Muslim.

“I have been wearing the hijab for 8 years now ever since the September 11 attacks in New York City. I saw many of my Muslim friends taking the hijab off because they were afraid of being targeted or picked on at school. I instead, chose to put the hijab on because I did not feel that the Muslim ummah should feel embarrassed for who they were. Instead, I believed that we should all stand up together and become united. As I attended my high school and got to know a few other Muslims, I started an MSA along with my sister. Through the MSA we brought together many Muslims both in the school and the community. Before the MSA, everyone had just kept to themselves, but now, we are all like a family. Every year, more people join, even non-Muslims..."

@ET

Sorry, I was too terse with the simple motive:

"He was a muslim fanatic who wanted to kill US soldiers who were going to fight muslims."

Is that better? That's what I meant.

I was merely dismissing all these other theories about harassment, unjust war, or PTSD.

During WWII, people of Japanese ancestry were harassed, tormented, and herded into concentration camps by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. A few were traitors and spies. Most were honest, loyal Americans who didn't deserve their treatment.

Despite their families being interned, Japanese-Americans volunteered for the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, the most highly decorated unit in American military history.

They earned over 18,000 combat awards including 21 Medals of Honor, 51 Distinguished Service Crosses, 1 Distinguished Service Medal, 588 Silver Stars, 22 Legions of Merit, 15 Soldier's Medals, 5200 Bronze Stars, and almost 9500 Purple Hearts.

They had a casualty rate of 314% and became known as the "Purple Heart Battalion".

That's my idea of Americans proving their loyalty. I don't see muslim Americans rushing to the recruiting stations to enlist.

Everyone in the military gets harassed. Geez, if you don't have a thick skin you won't make it through Basic Training. This guy Nidal is a coward, a traitor, a murderer, and a wuss.

from wiki:
However, David Cook, a former neighbor, said two sons were living with Hasan around 1997 and they attended local schools. Cook said of him, "As far as I know, he was a single father. I never saw a wife." According to military records, Hasan was unmarried.

39 and never kissed a girl.
I wonder where his 2 "sons" are and if one of them is named Gamil?

set you free---
This is heartening---just don't stand too close to these "apostates"----the ummah are not noted for being good shots....a bit of practical advice.
This illuminates the main reason that these new Americans/Canadians/British etc do not readily assimilate---fear---deliberately instilled in all Muslims.
That said what they say to your face and what they say to each other is another matter.
This battle for hearts and minds is a difficult one---when the basic agenda was cleverly/thoroughly designed 1300 years back---complete with dogmatic checks and balances.
When compared to the American Constitution commendably crafted by the best minds extant---Islam is perhaps just as if not more cleverly crafted to enforce unswerving adherence.
I don't make the rules---I just play the game---the rules of this confrontation were set by a syphilitic, pedophilic, misogynist kleptomaniac 13 centuries past.
I am pondering the quixotic writing of Miguel Cervantes----a man who somehow escaped the clutches of islamic Barbarry Pirates many centuries past....and was inspired by that experience.....
T is dreaming the impossible dream---WE must live it--to go on when.........

the predominant problem is the juncture of religion and the fanaticism it brings, and humahn nature to massage the ego and be the boss.

so you get so-called 'christian right wing' trying to dictate terms thru congress and parliament, and jihadists, and sun moon cultists and scientology whackos.

I got no use for any of them; they're ALL cut from the same cloth. pouring hate onto muslim extremism must be matched with an equal measure of hate for jerry falwell types.

see? they ALL do it.

Soooooo
A guy walks into a bar wearing a turban, large suicide bomb-vest with flimsy trigger in one hand and koran in the other, screaming allahu akbar dirka dirka.

He stops screaming long enough to ask the bartender for virgin mary. As he's drinking it he sets down the trigger within easy grasp of several bystanders.

He finishes his drink, looks around the room, picks up the trigger and with a gleam of the virginal bliss to come hits the button.....

Fortunately, a couple of the bystanders happened to be protected by the large and very heavy wooden bar itself and escaped with only serious injuries.

When asked later why they didn't intervene when they so easily could have grabbed the trigger, they replied that:...
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they didn't want to be seen as judgmental of the man's religion.

Sorry, no punchline, just a sad prediction for a news story that we are likely to hear in the next few months.

"This battle for hearts and minds is a difficult one---when the basic agenda was cleverly/thoroughly designed 1300 years back---complete with dogmatic checks and balances."

According to Steyn...there are more books translated into Spanish every year than have been translated into Arabic in 2000 years. Where do you start?

Bush was right...take the fight to their soil.

There are no Arabic personal in the Israeli military....go figure.

Um, except for the minor detail that Jerry Falwell isn't exactly instructing his followers to shoot 30 people in the face.

This is a very anti-Muslim website and does nothing to serve humanity. I know a lot of Muslims and am very good friends with some and they certainly do not condone the violence some Muslims perpetrate, nor is the violence some Christians and Jews commit accepted.

You know, your theory would have a lot more weight behind it if

1) Violence wasn't part of Islamic teaching, and something that an alarmingly large number of Muslims support.

2) Every time someone with the remotest connection to Christianity or Judaism committed an act of violence, the left wasn't all "See! Christianity's just as violent as Islam!"

Because, see, when nutters who go to fringe churches (or haven't been to church in years) go on a rampage, it's a symptom of the evils of Christianity. A man who attends a mosque frequently, then blows away 13 of his fellow soldiers? Yeah, just a coincidence he was so devout.

Since the 9/11 terror attacks, more than 10,000 acts of terrorism - perpetrated by Islam - have occurred. No person can tell me, therefore, that Islam = Judaism = Christianity and expect me to take it seriously.

So any Muslim can be excused for their murderous actions, because .... well you know, as they tell you straight out, it's for Islam...and that's ok by the US gov., media sock-puppets and leftists. Isn't multiculturalism grand?

BUT if you call someone a name, then you're worse than the muslim terrorist attacking mass murder of military members on base, unarmed, unprovoked, because his muslim beliefs are more important than the rest of us and the truth.
Or you're worse than the murdering muslim fathers taking out their daughters for being too westernized, muslim husbands beheading wives who want to divorce them, or drowning unwanted female family members or that extra wife that's in the way. And the muslim family that rejected their 8 year old daughter because she'd been gang raped by other muslim boys in her neighbourhood where she played.

- - but WE ARE the DEPLORABLE ones for pointing this out?

This is so messed.

I will proudly stay standing in the leftist disapproval circle of being DEPLORABLE, I can take a name calling.

No such thing as a "moderate Muslim" thats like saying there are moderate Nazi's
If you actually read the Koran you would understand that, Mohammad is the 1 terrorist (Satan himself) and this is a cult that follows him.
Mohammad was a pedophile had a 9 year old wife, gay too talks about mounting young boys. Kept slaves and tortured people in the most inhuman way. Christians don't worship Satan Muslims do.

The "search for motives" is a way of avoiding conflict, appeasement, not preventing conflict.

"He was a muslim fanatic who wanted to kill US soldiers who were going to fight muslims."

Maybe someday a fanatic will arise who will want to kill Muslims killing Muslims.

More Muslims are killed by Muslim terrorists than any other group.

More Muslim girls are deprived of an education and a decent way of life by their own kind: Muslims.

And the list could go on.

Why on earth do apologists constantly bring up Christians, Jews, and Jerry Falwell.

No sane argument I suppose.

Yes yes ofcourseofcourse...

Not all Muslims are Muslim Terrorists, true true - but all Muslim Terrorists are, in fact, Muslims.

That's logic.

All religion is a load of manure.

ok4ua:

I'm glad I live in a country where I can practise my religion freely.

Islam is like a cult not a religion.
I don't fear an attack from the Jews, Christians, Buddahist and etc., like I do from what the Mosques in the name of Islam are sending out.

Get out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

If you stop talking about religion
rather than focus in crime
and who commite the crime
how to punish them based on degree of crime
you will win this game

If you try to related every single crime to
relgion to teach them to go and kill

then you put yourself to trouble

this is in normal crime done by ordinary people
daily in street.

even if you right some one must deserve to die
still not up to you to pull the trigle

usually drugs mixed with alcohol life style lack of education lack of job or all sex life caused those kind of murder happend in cities

I also think Afganstan and Pakstan corruption simply linked to poor counties and lack of education and drug they smoke weed using opium caused them brain damage and mental damaged is link with their life style must change and not to related to Muslim to blame it

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now we talking about army
and political group

that all belive they are right and
other group in war zone are wrong

both political parties in two countries have ordered to their army to go and kill each other
and each must defend each others

we are normal ordinary observaer who watch those
army personals kill each other for they think their problems can not resolve any other way and must one kill others to win the tropy

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when war start for any reason none of those reason
was called relgion only racist used relgion to kill more each others

sadam believe he was muslim and must kill
Muslim Iran or Kewith group both army are muslim and kill each others

Indian and Pakstan armys are kill each otehr one was hindu not belive god and one was muslim army kill eath other

pakstani now fighting muslim army taleban both believe are muslim and both army kill each otehrs

US and Nato army are mixed of muslim and nonmuslim from all counties US and canada and England and they are fighting Iraqi Muslim and Afgani taleban and bothare muslim
BUT Nato army has mixed muslim and nomuslim armies

now the war is over muslim differnces

or war is over crime one done over other???

or only play of game of video we watching and we do not care how many dies we only are ordinary observor here

the film now went to
NO video showed that now Muslim army US kill nonMuslim army in USA
these topic is nothing to do with us but create
so many questions:

still we do not know why???

how US army personal treat their army soldure
I heard yesterday the guy Majo hassan said that
he was not like to stay in residential among other soldure and all complain he did never was anybody listen to him he siad he does not like to go to Iraq or Afganstan all it is complain and nobody listen to him

do not mix up the topic and now peopel mixed topic to each others
you get confused

you should study each crime seprate from each others and find solution to it. not execuse from accused for doing that kind of crime against humanity

If I say the truth slime like T will call me names.

The truth is if we don't send them all packing we deserve the terror we get.

Idd: "Isn't multiculturalism grand?"

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/5518586/multiculturalism-kills.thtml

Melanie Phillips, November 8, 2009

motivation for crime:

some times nobody know

first need to put person in 2 month cells to see

if person was crazy or suicider

if person was illution of hate nonmuslim army who kill muslim or hate muslim made them motive to go in army

if his job was to hear for past 8 years all soldure explain their pain how to kill and now they have post thermaitc syndrom and maj. hassan hear all detail as secret doctore peopel think doctor can be trusted and say all thing to them and may he hear all those bad and how they kill or some may said htey kill innocnet men and women and the guy blood and anger made him to movite him to do crime

if person maj. hassan used drug and alchol or lonly and has no wife and depressed and feel shame to stay among those army soldure and not place to go nd no job to change

must be one thing caused him to do

or may all was made up story some one guide him intentionally by secret police and tell him buy gun to change politic to him not to main issues

all need to study

plus every day some crime happend in world nobody know why those peopel did it some may be good peopel but did it for sudden wave of them up and did it

who knows plus this is link to army nobody will tell us detail of it for usually army do not tell pulbic why and how

even some times some jail tender can not handle the criminal and beat them up becaued they hate them some may dersrve to hate them but thier job to stay cool down
now job of Maj. hassan hear all crim happend to mentally ill soldure may make him to do this crime since he hate when he heard those peopel how they kill innocnet people as may happen in war peopel got made their friend was kille and they go and kill innocnet civilan as part of
war crime again

we have exmaple one Canadain soldure who shoot his friend as freindly shot that is funny how freind shoot to kill his freind and the guy wnet to jail for 3 or more years few month ago

take gun to hand of peoel only for do the job not for keep it for use for toy or when they get angry they use gun for shoot
in midlel east nobody has allow easy to have gun in their home like Iran
all army residene can not allow to have gun in their home too only security in front gat has gun

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