NOOOOO!

where IS Alan Rock?

"The registry was established as part of an overhaul of gun laws after the 1989 Montreal massacre."

Better immigration rules would probably have prevented the Montreal Massacre. The real problem wasn't the gun, it was the guy carrying the gun.

Didn't stop them LYIN' about it though, did it?

"The registry was established as part of an overhaul of gun laws after the 1989 Montreal massacre."

The registry was a freaking ELECTION STUNT to make Alan Rock look like he was "doing something" about crime.

AAAAARGH! The lying! It burnsssss!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5g6RT0s1M7FO4mFWb7k7CvNZ0aeAA

"the annual cost saving could be $2.9 million a year, or less."

Apparently, the RCMP describe this saving as "minimal". Minimal?? $2.9 million freed up by turfing this absolutely useless legislation hardly qualifies as minimal by anyone's standards.

I notice that Saskatchewan's lone Liberal is not going to support the bill. What a surprise!

It would be a shame if the lone liberals constituents fail to support him in the next election...

Goodale has been an arrogant windbag during his entire political career yet he manages to get re-elected with ease. This says more about his constituents than it does about him.

Doomed ?
Demise?
No mention of the Liberals' $Billion dollar slush fund the gun registry spawned!

And they wonder why we mock them.
No wonder they are restructuring .

[ "This will involve what is likely to be the biggest restructuring of the Star's workforce in its history."]

[ He also said that Canada's largest circulation daily paper is also exploring the possibility of contracting out some work in both copy editing and pagination work. The plans could expand to include editorial content and other production, he added.]

Editorial?? May I suggest *Kate* !!

[ Union leader Maureen Dawson criticized the Star's decision and said the labour group plans to offer alternatives to the planned outsourcing move.

"Journalism is a collaborative effort, the product of a team of reporters, photographers and editors working in concert to produce the kind of activist agenda that has served Star readers and our community so well for so long," she said.]

Activist Agenda !!?? I thought Journalism was about 'reporting'.

What I want to know is this...
What happened to the almost TWO THOUSAND MILLION DOLLARS that it cost to set this boondoggle up?
Where, who, etc?
Why can't we follow the money?

This is great news for those who oppose the nanny state, and those who oppose wasteful government spending, and those who oppose the right to self-protection.

oops, correction
This is great news for those who oppose the nanny state, and those who oppose wasteful government spending, and those who support the right to self-protection.

"and later the Senate, for a final decision"

Hope "Steve" can fix that first.

Now, Now!! Mustn't talk about the retirement nest feathering that went on during the great gun registry rip off.

While everyone was in panic mode about "Police State" stuff, there was a smooth removal of a few billion dollars of tax payer money which was accompanied by a refusal to account for it.

I have been waiting for this registry to be killed since 2006, being a law abiding citizen who was made a criminal by the Liberals and their useless Long Gun Registry.

I was glad to see Iffy touch on this issue today ... yet another Liberal that is completely out of touch with Rural Canada.

I believe the Tories will have a majority in the Senate in January.

Hmmm. This could make for a very interesting situation in the senate. Probably will see it delayed until a majority of senators are appointed.

Oh, great. This means that my evening news is going to be contaminated by the presence of Wendy Cukier again, doesn't it?

Barf!

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what? you mean taking rifles and shotguns off farmers
& duck hunters doesn't actually reduce urban crime?

does this mean we get our two billion dollars back?

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Duffy will make 2 extra trips to the buffet tonight just to celebrate!

Can't you just sense the Liberal bitterness? :D

http://westerngrit.blogspot.com/2009/11/to-any-liberal-mp-thinking-of-being-fn.html

Well, sadly this probably will come back to bite the Tories in the nether region during the upcoming election.

People in the big cities in general don't have common sense or understand things - so it will look like "Tories Are Bad 'Cause They're Clinging to Their Guns".

But but but there are millions of criminals out there with unregestered rifles and shotguns. We can't just forgive them. Wouldn't that be soft on crime/sarcasm off.

Be one less thing for me to worry about.

Look, Toronto mayor David Miller shut down that shooting range in Union Station that no one knew about, so there's no need for the long gun registry anymore - gun crime has been put to bed in the big smoke!

'Cept for those two gun murders the last two nights . . .

Eric, You bet I am CLINGING to my firearms ... and not registering them so that the 'gunz r bad' Leftards can never take them away.

5:30 today will be then end of the 2 Billion Dollar Long Gun registry that only registered half of the firearms in Canada.

The Montreal massacre,wasn't that orchestrated by Marc Lepine...oh wait,that wasn't his name,what was it that he changed it to?

An interesting article that explains why certain groups and bureaucrats support things like the gun registry.
http://www.jpfo.org/kirby/kirby-know-enemy.htm

"
SECURITY MONOPOLISTS

Security monopolists are those members and representatives of public and private security providing concerns who want the means of self protection out of private hands so that they can command high fees for protecting the citizenry against the rising tide of crime. These profiteers stand to loose a great deal of capital if citizens can efficiently defend themselves. To the security monopolist, each criminal who enters and exits the revolving door of justice is a renewable source of revenue providing jobs for police, social workers, victim counsellors, judges, prison employees, security guards, burglar alarm installers, locksmiths, and others employed by the security monopolies or their satellite organizations. No wonder it is so common for an honest citizen to be more ruthlessly hounded by the authorities when he shoots a criminal in self defense than a criminal who shoots honest citizens."

h.ryan.

Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi was Marc Lepines real name. The womens movement tried to paint this killing spree as if it was just typical Canadian male violence towards women. Not the work of an insane Algerian Muslim who was brought up to hate women.

In typical Liberal fashion they went after the duck hunters in the sticks and people firing target pistols at ranges. Plus they stole a couple billion dollars in the process.

gord

My thoughts exactly!

"Can't you just sense the Liberal bitterness? :D"

Michael, FYI, Bitterness is the trait of conservatives; Liberals couldn't care less. The gun registry is yesterday's news...get over it!

Western Grit is just a stupid blogger and certainly not representative of liberalism. It's no wonder you rightoids get so bent out of shape.

Has anyone else noticed how nice it has been since the gov't has stopped funding all the mouthpieces on a mission like Wendy the Kook? I think it should be enshrined in our constitution that no mouthpiece on a mission shall have access to taxpayer's money.

Ya wanna change the world? Good for you. Now do it on your own dime.

"Michael, FYI, Bitterness is the trait of conservatives; Liberals couldn't care less. The gun registry is yesterday's news...get over it!"

"Bitterness?" "Couldn't care less?" Heh. One look at the Liblogs aggregator tells an ENTIRELY different narrative. The Tories aggregator, on the other hand, is nothing if not ecstatic. And for good reason; we'll be "getting over it" when the vote to repeal this sinkhole farce of a law is DONE.

"Western Grit is just a stupid blogger and certainly not representative of liberalism."

When you lay with pigs.........well, you know the saying. :D

"It's no wonder you rightoids get so bent out of shape."

Us "rightoids" are absolutley content with the way things are playing out. One look at the Liblogs aggregator, as the blogger in question is a member of, tells us all here who the ones are that have swallowed their bitter pills today. :D

"Western Grit is just a stupid blogger and certainly not representative of liberalism. It's no wonder you rightoids get so bent out of shape."

Completely false. You see that attitude FAR more often than any sort of reasonable and balanced view on ANY liberal forum.

Stirred

Are you suggesting that the aforementioned registry was and is a waste of money and needs to be scrapped?

If your answer is yes then I commend you and the Liberals for a well played, although expensive political ploy. If you answer no then I wonder how you can so easily absolve yourself of caring; after all, what about the children?

Hey Kate, thanks for the linky! This is my favorite hobby horse, its nice to see more than my usual reader looking at it.

Hey stirred, come troll at my place, see what happens to ya!

Hate to be a downer but it has to make it through the Senate and those folks don't have to face voters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4sZ2A04GrY

"Dear Senators, This Jan I refill the chamber. Bang. Stephen"

Senate can only block for a few more months.

http://www.diarmani.com/Articles/Birth%20of%20the%20Canadian%20Gun%20Registry.htm

A good article on the birth of the Canadian Gun registry, and mention of Kim Campbell's role in the new gun control laws.

SECURITY MONOPOLISTS.via gunny99
me thinks you forgot the biggest trough suckers in your scenario....the f'ing lawyers.

does this mean we get our two billion dollars back?

As soon as we get back the $100 Billion
rural conservative welfare bums have mooched
from taxpayers during the same time frame.

C-391 Motion Carried

164 Yay
137 Nay

Let's not forget that dear leader steve,
in one year, borrowed $3 Billion to fund rec room renovations
as part of his biggest deficit in Canadian history.
Conservatives concerned about wasteful spending?
SDA, proving yet again, a conservative scratched is a hypocrite revealed.

I noticed that clammy hands Ralph from Regina voted nay. The voters in his riding are almost all government union workers.

Who let the dog out?

My question would be this: If the registry is voted down because it was simply another liberal kick-back scheme (which it absolutely was), what happens to the people who have been convicted of failing to register their guns?

arf, arf!

still looking for Alan Rock.

on the ceebs tonight for comments?

One more Harper promise kept. Fellow Conservatives can now jump back on the bandwagon and stop your grumbling for a while. Harper's long range plan is slowly being accomplished.

Motion carried. DAMN STRAIGHT!

Iggy still thinks it can be reworked, to be more acceptable to rural gun owners. I think not.

A CBC Poll regarding the abolition of the long-gun registry: http://www.cbc.ca/news/polls/polldaddy-gunregistry.html It's going well so far.

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oh... my... gawd...

stand by for a flood of fully-choked goose guns
to hit the mean streets of northwest Toronto.

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D Morris:
Excellant catch....this really illustrates the callous LIBRANO partisanship behind most of their policies.
Anyone who has ever had to deal with the registry swiftly recognizes/realizes the zealous guardianship of their iron rice bowl.
Canadian Police Chiefs are taxpayer funded and are administrators first and Police second....hence their resolute support of the registry....and financial support of Cukier.
Research of Wendy's Coalition has failed to reveal any estimate of membership numbers....it could very easily be like the GTA "Black Action Committee"...a committee of one---Dudley laws.

Toronto would rather have armed criminals than citizens. Its just that simple. They care for the outlaw. The scofflaws have been seared by those horrible duck hunters & tax payers. We where not inclusive enough. Its our fault he's in jail. So government must punish the evil consumer, while giving roses & love letters to serial killers. pedophiles & other such scum. The Liberal way. Hey even give them the vote. Can't have their feeling hurt or left out of the collective.

JMO

betacamsp
Good catch that CBC poll...
"Would you vote to abolish the long gun registry?"
4208 ayes
1632 nays

wonder if the auditor general will now get her hands on the records and tell us where the 2 billion went? Bet it's the same players as Adscam.

"Iggy still thinks it can be reworked, to be more acceptable to rural gun owners. I think not."

The time for debate is OVER!

sasquatch- you're dead-on with the Police Chiefs and their vested interests in perpetuating this albatros.
Any reputable police agency would NEVER rely on information in a corrupt registry where handguns and restricted weapons are excluded, and only about 40 to 60% (depending on who you believe- 7m out of 18m?) of the targeted long guns have been entered in the first place- many of which were fraught with errors.

Claims of daily accesses of 9,000 is a crock, too.
As I understand it, even running a plate # links to this registry, even tho there is no interest in doing so. But hey, it's more fuel on the fire.

I believe the Tories will have a majority in the Senate in January.

Do you think the Grit senators will succumb to Swine Flu by then, brian?

stand by for a flood of fully-choked goose guns to hit the mean streets of northwest Toronto.

Those are used to kill honkies, aren't they?

It does tend to drive Ex-Military and full time hunters and recreational shooters nuts when the only people that cover the long gun registry are paranoid "townies" that haven't a clue of the difference between a bi-pod mounted stainless .338 and an AK47 full auto assault rifle.

Never assume conspiracy when mere incompetence will suffice.

An update:

"N.B. Liberal senator opts to retire

Rob Linke, Telegraph-Journal, Published Wednesday, November 4th, 2009

Ottawa - Liberal senator John Bryden has retired early from the Senate to spend more time with his wife of more than 50 years and enjoy life on the farm his father bought when he returned from war. Bryden would have reached his 75th birthday, the mandatory retirement age for senators, in August 2012. His resignation took effect Sunday at midnight.
 

Senate: Liberals 51, Conservatives 46, Others 6, Vacancies 2 (NL and NB)

Marcel Prud’homme, an independent from QC, retires on November 30.
Lorna Milne, a Liberal from ON, retires on December 13.
 
When the PM fills these 4 vacancies, we will tie the Liberals with 50 Senators each."

So anytime past December it may be possible to get the registry vote tabled and passed. I'm not sure if all of the senators appointed by Mulroney are on side however, particularly those in qc.

This isn't over yet I fear.

The new photo that's been posted (above) looks to be of the same drug bust that's shown on page B2 of the Calgary Herald paper edition, taken from a different angle. However the internet version of this same article doesn't have any photo. It does seem to point to some lazy editorializing on their part.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Calgary+police+arrest+eight+dial+dope+bust/2179354/story.html

One piece of good news today. Guess I can't include abolishing the firearms registry as one of the reasons I'm not contributing to the Conservative party in response to their mail to me requesting funds.

Get rid of S13 and take a scientific stance on AGW in Copenhagen and I'll reconsider my ban on Conservative party donations.

New Brunswick Liberal senator retires.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/846011

I assisted the thumbs up and down in the comments section.

This could be good news in more ways than one.

What we need to do now is point out the many distortions, omissions and flat-out lies that the registry proponents will use in a vain attempt to defend the registry.

The Toronto police chief just the other day told a whopper when he tried to credit the long gun registry with the seizure of a number of unregistered guns (oops...wrong registry; the police were tipped off by the lapsing of a restricted weapons permit (for seven years), which has absolutely nothing to do with the registry at issue). He repeated the same tired old distortion of the truth today that the registry "is accessed thousands of times a day by police.." when he knows damn well that the database check is *automatic* when the police do a routine check on a driver's license.

Paul Martin a few years back repeated another lie when he quoted a *fabricated* number of stolen handguns in Toronto (versus smuggled)used in crimes. The list goes on and on, but the bottom line is this: DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. Speak up and correct anyone who tries to use the same tired old tactics to defend this two-billion-dollar waste of taxpayer money.

Oops, Gord, you beat me to it. I was so happy about this I forgot to look whether anyone else had picked this up.

What loki said.

There is a God!

The long gun registry costs a fortune while doing little to combat crime. You're allowing your emotions to cloud the facts: whether a gun registry exists or not, bad people will do bad things with guns. And they won't register them. Making life difficult for responsible gun owners over the past 15 years has RAISED gun violence.

paranoid "townies" that haven't a clue of the difference between a bi-pod mounted stainless .338 and an AK47 full auto assault rifle.

...point out the many distortions, omissions and flat-out lies that the registry proponents will use...

It killed me the big "automatic weapons" bust they were crowing about many years ago where the 4-5,000 "automatic weapons" being "smuggled" into the country turned out to be damaged WW2-Korean War Era Garand rifles that were going to be stripped down to produce 1,000 or so complete models for collectors. I'm listening to the MSM voiceover or the cops saying that they saved an unprecedented amount of firepower being unleashed on Canadian streets and they show the weapons laid out and I say, "Crap! The 'automatic' weapons are Garands? What a load."

What really pisses me on this one is the MSM keep saying that the police support the registry and that is utter and complete bulls-h-i-t. the police CHIEFS might support it but the rank and file cop does not. What the beat cop wants is more beat cops on the beat - pure and simple. The police chiefs have supported it because they know which side of the bread is buttered AND that the Lieberals (woew to us all) will govern again some day.

The chiefs say the registry is used all the time but that is because anytime a police officer makes an inquiry of any kind CPIC goes to the gun registry - even if it is just for a routine traffic stop.

This gun law has been a huge infringement on the individual rights of peace-loving and law-abiding gun owners and it needs to be burned on the ash-heap of history NOW!

Dave Kopel of _The Volokh Conspiracy_ notices today's vote the House of Commons:

http://volokh.com/2009/11/04/the-most-important-right-to-arms-vote-of-2009/

Where's Chretien in this story? He wasn't a component to any of the MSM reporting I saw. Hmmm. Isn't he relevant in all this? Isn't this one of his legacy pieces of legislation? Isn't the registry something that he would consider to be a jewel? Especially considering how partisan Chretien was, and particularly liked to stick it to the Reform and CA on what MSM would call "social conservative issues".

Funny, when the MSM can find ways to drive a wedge in the CPoC by pitting Mulroney-loyal PC's against those from the Reform/CA eras they'll do so, attempting to get Mulroney to comment personally. But not in this instance of course. MSM's reporting on this seems to be dismissive of the importance of this angle to the story. Again, in the reports I saw on the various networks tonight, heard no mention of Chretien's name. Wouldn't this be akin to the CPoC reversing its position on the FTA, Mulroney's legacy legislation that he too is proud of? And not just reversing its stated position on the FTA, but actually allowing its members a free vote to defeat it?

I guess considering where the Liberals are in the polls, it's not surprising that MSM is not in the mood to exploit this very interesting angle to this issue.

"Dear Senators, This Jan I refill the chamber. Bang. Stephen"

Awesomely brilliant

a different bob: Read the article in my link;
http://www.jpfo.org/kirby/kirby-know-enemy.htm

"
SECURITY MONOPOLISTS

Security monopolists are those members and representatives of public and private security providing concerns who want the means of self protection out of private hands so that they can command high fees for protecting the citizenry against the rising tide of crime. These profiteers stand to loose a great deal of capital if citizens can efficiently defend themselves. To the security monopolist, each criminal who enters and exits the revolving door of justice is a renewable source of revenue providing jobs for police, social workers, victim counsellors, judges, prison employees, security guards, burglar alarm installers, locksmiths, and others employed by the security monopolies or their satellite organizations."
Read: high Police salaries and big Police Departments.

d morris: "The RCMP had stopped accepting FAC records, and had actually destroyed those it already had. The FAC registry system didn't exist because the police thought it was useless and refused to waste their limited budgets maintaining it. They also moved to ensure that their political masters could not resurrect it."

This is the most damming evidence regarding any sort of registry; whether licensing of owners or registering of guns, the RCMP kew dammed well either was useless.

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re: pictures in gun registry articles... one of the toronto papers
was using a bandolier of belt-fed ammunition... only ever
used in squad automatic weapons by the military.

go wendy cukier.

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I have said many times, the only explanation of how the registry spent over $2BILLION and STILL cannot keep track of who owns what firearm is someone or some party (wink wink) stole a big whack of the cash. The Marx Brothers supervising The Three Stooges could not have cocked it up that badly!

In 17 years of dealing with this issue, the one thing I've learned is you can't talk sense to anti-gunners. Its impossible. You can only -defeat- them.

So, Lefties. Today you're f-in' well defeated. Go cry in your beer.

Next up, dump the pistol registry and the gun license. They're no less asinine and pointless than the long gun registry, nor less wasteful of money.

only putting 5 in a mag, with a stupid rivet in the way bugs me, I spend more time fumbling around with 10 round stripper clips. They weren't made to only jam in 5, that's why they are 10. I mean, who cares?

Thank-you for that very informative link, Gunny99

Sold my guns long ago. Just when I was going to buy a new shotgun and a varmit rifle with scope..... the law was passed. Stymied.

Once they kill this registry I will be loading up on guns and ammo. May even endure the handgun registry just for luck.

I've got to wonder if there isn't going to be a wave of purchasers like me. No problem. Lineup for guns good - Lineups for flu shots bad.

I never bothered to register my 0.45 calibre bear stopper.

I don't know if they have a bayonet registry either.

About the only registry I need is the one in the criminal's mind knowing that he may meet a meaner fate.

Self defence is still legal in Canada, as in the defence of necessity, which hails from the old common law, which is still a valid defence btw.

2 billion may have been more wisely spent training doctors for the shortages we are experiencing.

The gun registry protected precisely nothing.

Now a gun on the other hand...

Besides we still get rabbits, racoons, deer, coyotes, and the odd cougar passing through; but the cougars are mostly after the rabbits/deer and don't generally feast on kids.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

"The registry was established as part of an overhaul of gun laws after the 1989 Montreal massacre."

Why does the media keep spouting this line? The Mulroney government was in office in 1989. They stayed in office until 1993. It wasn't them who brought in the registry. The Liberals didn't even get around to it until, what, 1995? That's a pretty good length of time to claim that the registry was enacted in the aftermath of Montreal.

It's more like, the Liberals and their media lapdogs want to keep claiming this to provoke the desired emotional reaction - that if you're anti-gun-registry, you're somehow pro-violence-against-women.

Interestingly enough, all the opposition MP's who vote For, were all from rural ridings, and those opposed were city dwellers... go figure. Oh how those Libs were able to carry off such a large-scale brainwashing!

"Because weapons owned by drug traffickers make up such a large part of the registry.."

Exactly, fingers crossed for the trip to the senate.

Like Mr. sniper had his Barrett .416 registered with the local feds. Though u can see why MP's might be overly concerned.

I really hope this happens. There will be a lot of good deals on used rifles, that never made it to the registry.

So long as we still need ownership and purchasing licences, they will still be denying us our right to self-defense.

Registering my own property is so offencive i will not even entertain the idea. As to getting someone else's permission to buy anything, I will start doing that when hell freezes over.

Except for the wife!

The real problem wasn't the gun, it was the guy carrying the gun.

What, you mean Ghamil Gh...er, I mean Marc Lepine?

Pssssssssssssst

The Registry isn't gone yet.

If you are admitting to anything in your celebratory mood you are opening yourself up to a headache.

Rejoice SMARTLY.