IF you feel like puking your midnight snack, read the comments from the AGW Fascists following Rex's excellent commentary,

Who knows where Joe & Jane Uninformed Canadian sits on this issue but my sense is that once it begins hitting their own wallets then they will cry foul en masse. Only then will politicians get scared.

In any case, I cannot imagine that Harper & co. will hurt the economies of Alberta & Saskatchewan.

By the way, didn't we have an election pretty much on this issue less than a year ago and some guy named ... what was his name ... Stephane Dion vow to tax the hell out of Western Canadians ... and he lost?!?

"Bring It On"
If only to rid ourselves of the House of Windsor it would be worth it.
That, and I have several tires waiting to burn.

If such a situation were to arise, where the west wanted out of Canada, I would be packing up my family and moving to Alberta.

If such a situation were to arise, where the west wanted out of Canada, I would be packing up my family and moving to Alberta.

Rex does get it. Glad to know some Easterners do.
Thing is though the West is developing on its own naturally as a separate political entity. Mainly because of the Ontario centric views, with the European politics that go with it.
We don't like Socialism.
Where North Americans not Europeans anymore.
Not for a long time.
This gives me some hope the divide will heal. Time will out the answer.
JMO

I did scan through many of the comments and I must say I'm rather heartened by the change in tone as compared to what would have been the typical commentary a year or two ago. 'Climate change skepticism' seems to be in ascension; considering this IS the Globe and Mail.

What did disappoint me was visiting Prince Charles' pronouncements on the issue mere moments after being put behind a microphone in this country. He could (should) have kept his message bland and apolitical but he had to pipe up about "Climate change being the most critical issue of our times...bla-bla-blah..." and I was reaching for the mute button right there.

Soon to see the site counter here flip past 15 million! Astounding.

Talked to my Dad last year when the Coalition thing was happening.
I call him rarely, when major events occur, like the Red Sox winning the World Series.
I said separation.
He said me too.
I said Manitoba might have to knock on the door like in 1949.
He still hasn't moved.
But things can change.

Rex seems to believe that the exploitation of our (your?) oilsands is a purely Canadian decision. But we have become the most important foreign source of oil for the USA. Turn the tap off and the GIs will invade Fort McMurray.

There is no time left for posturing or obfuscating in the Harper cabinet.

They need to send a message to the world that Canada does not want to play along with the crazy people any more, and the best place to do it is Copenhagen in December.

Just lay it out there, the CPC stands for the majority of people who are fed up with the vast over-hype of climate change, and don't want to see our national security and prosperity endangered just to feed Suzuki's enormous ego.

Then if the Americans can find somebody to say the same thing using Al Gore as their example, I think our political independence and freedom stand some sort of chance. Otherwise, we might as well start learning to speak Chinese.

I hope I am wrong in this area. I hear that the Cons are going to copy the US Cap and Trade that the Prez wants to impose. This will be the last spike in the coffin before the Americans wake up. Virtually a carbon tax on everything - money goes to Gor’s pockets as a filter on way to China and India.

Also, the Cons might compromise on the global warming and, again hope I am wrong, will go along with the Global Warming summit. They already showed their support by rejecting the world's foremost polar bear expert on a panel because he does not believe with Global Warming.

Adler posed a question last week; "If Iffy said that Canada would NOT support Climate change/Global Warming policy, would you vote for him?" I would say if the Cons, who all know the truth but dare not speak the truth in the matter, vote on following the rest of the world - like the LIEberals did with Kyoto Accord- then I hope there would be a lot of Independents running.

The Central Canadians will get their way - hope Alberta/Saskatchewan cut off their gas and oil as a result - then Western Canada goes its own way. It will be like East and West Berlin, people moving from one part of the country to the other. The ones I feel sorry for are NFL and NS. They are just starting to develop their off shore drilling, and they will be the next target. It will be like the bumper stickers in the '80's that stated that the Eastern people should freeze.

By Christmas we will know if the Cons will throw the West under the bus and spark a separation feeling throughout Western Canada. If Harper were smart, he would speak about the global Warming/Climate Change as he did before taking over from the LIEberals... This is nothing but a money grab by the poor countries (China, Russia, India ????) from the developed countries.

Yet the Cons have no courage and are afraid of public opinion (religion of Global Warming and fear mongering) and not stand for what they know is right. I guess the rest of the country will know what it will be like when there are no more transfer funds from the West (mainly Alberta). Just when Sask. And BC are starting to develop their oil industry.

But the world will be safer without Canada’s 3% of Carbon foot-print. It might save the planet, but I hope the environMENTALists’ freeze. I have yet to see any of them burn their driver’s licences by the millions protesting use of oil/gas. Perhaps they should cut off their erctricity also, so they will not pollute more.

Would the Republic of Western Canada deport all the Suzuki types to NFL or, better yet, Greenland? Win-win eh....

Imposing an Obama-sque carbon tax on the West will be the best thing to ever happen to the West. Rex has it right, it will cause the rapid raise of an un-stoppable western independence movement that no teary-eyed Quebec nationalist has ever dared to dream.

Don't get me wrong, I am canadian and like the idea of Canada as defined by its present physical boundaries.

But if lifestyle choices are to be:
- enforced by Al-Gore (and crew), or
- individuals themselves
and for the latter the shape of Canada will change, well then Google maps is gonne be busy.

I would like to take this opportunity to put in a request that we make at least one of sask's border a little squiggly. Just because our roads are straight doesn't mean our borders have to be (perhaps we could invite Montana to join?).

Rex is spot on (as usual).

The Law of Unintended Consequences is such that the green lobby could well end up destroying Canada in their attempts to "save" it.

However, I am amused at western separatists who naively believe they can have their cake and eat it too.

As Rex pointed out in mentioning that National Geographic photo spread, it's powerful environmental lobbies in the US, with the ear of the present administration, that threaten our "dirty oil" revenues. That golden US market could dry up quickly under Obama.

At the moment, the four western provinces represent about 30 percent of Canada's population. As four American "states", they'd represent barely three percent of the US population. Alberta going it alone would represent little more than one percent.

If you think you have no voice in Canada due to those "Central Canadian bastards", wait'll you see how Washington treats you.

Still, this is just so Canadian, isn't?

At a time when our economy is doing better in relative terms than our southern neighbour's, when China and India are beginning to really come into their own as new markets and potentially lucrative energy partners for Canada, we're busy tinkering ourselves out of existence.

I just want to make sure I get teh western republic's passport when you seperate, not the ROC's.

Oops!

My second-to-last line should read:

"Still, this is just so Canadian, isn't it?"

Y2Kyoto victims.

Economic suicide is a self-inflicted wound.

"On October 31, 2009, the once largest aluminum plant in the world will shut down. With it goes another American industry and more American jobs. The Columbia Falls Aluminum Company in Montana will shut down its aluminum production because it cannot purchase the necessary electrical power to continue its operations.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/berry-e1.1.1.html

Harper will do whatever he thinks will win him a majority, just like Iggy.

At the moment, the four western provinces represent about 30 percent of Canada's population. As four American "states", they'd represent barely three percent of the US population. Alberta going it alone would represent little more than one percent.

Wrong.
The 12 US senators we would have, 2 for each province/state, would be close to 10% of the current 100 U.S. senators.
That ain't peanuts, not that I'd advocate joining the U.S. in it's current disheveled condition, and "we" aren't tinkering ourselves out of existence, the East is threatening our livelihood, again.
Enough already.

Quebec has been the tail wagging this dog since I was a little kid. (Which is a long damn time.) Today we are living the result, and frankly I think we could have done a lot better.

I think we could do a lot worse than having Alberta and Sask wag the dog for a change. At least y'all actually produce something besides hot air and welfare claims.

Will we be shooting for sovereignty without association?

not that I'd advocate joining the U.S. in it's current disheveled condition ~ Oz

I hadn't heard that we've been invited.

A lot of the comments on Rex's site take the need for any green action at all as a given.
Some are conciliatory and say "let's compromise" and share the cost of green action across the country.
There simply isn't any reason to act at all.
AGW is a hoax.

As an Albertan, I don't see any room or need to compromise with a hoax.

I hadn't heard that we've been invited.
~glasnost

Neither had I.
It's just a shibboleth that keeps getting trotted out by people who think Alberta or western seperatism can be treated as a joke.

I would be a violent ,and bloody separation at best ...is say "BRING IT ON " .

Kate said it perfectly in the last post .."there is not one problem outlined in this report that can't be solved by drawing a line through a map "

Paul in calgary.

One Western Canadian who does not get it is Regina's own Ralph Goodale. That phoney showed himself to be aligned with Ontario Lieberals when he signed the Coalition document that would have disenfranchised Western Canada.

I was hoping that Fiacco would not run again as Mayor of Regina and challenge Goodale in the Wascana riding.

The kool-aid drinkers in that rider really need to wake up.

JJM: "The Law of Unintended Consequences"

Is it so unintended? There are plenty in the environmental movement who hate capitalism and the wealth and prosperity it brings with a passion. They're not called watermelons for nothing.

Watched a Zeitgeist video on Youtube starring David deRothschild as the environmentalist concerned with getting children involved in making the changes and getting parents to "shut-up".
His father is said to be the (real) richest man in the world, a world banker, secret owner/controller of the Fed. He's not listed in Forbes Magazine though. Said to own/control nearly half of the worlds economy, est. worth 500 trillion dollars. Doesn't own Google though, at least not yet.

"I hadn't heard that we've been invited."

Actually you've been DISinvited, what with all the dirty oil crap floating about.

The same cultural forces at work trying to rip off the West in Canada are -running the show- in the USA right now. Personally I think this is their last hurrah, because crushing national debt, crushing taxes and a crushed health system aren't going to make them any friends. Luckily we managed to dump the Liberals just in time, so any carbon tax crap will most likely be for show. If not, I'd vote Wild Rose.

IMHO...

In Canada to date things have been arranged to suit the large entrenched monetary interests in Ontario and Quebec. The big get bigger, the small get booted out to become big in the USA and then muscle their way in back home.

As Kate's post makes clear, the big in Ontario ain't that big anymore. They moved all their jobs away to South Carolina and then to China. Currently the situation with the car companies is hilarious, everything they do could be done for one tenth the cost overseas. Soon it will be, no matter what anybody says. You are going to be driving cars from China in ten years, like it or not.

What do we have left here in Canada? Trees, ore and more f-ing oil than what's in the Middle East. And where is all that oil? Out west.

At some point the balance is going to tip. The large vested interests are going to up stakes and move to where the money is, same as they did when they left Montreal. The 905/416 voting block will form a permanent socialist rump, as their jobs and relevance bleed away to where the work is getting done.

That's what's going to happen. Whether it manages to happen without lines getting drawn on the map, that's another question. I guess it depends on how determined the West is to keep from becoming the same kind of socialist sink hole that Ontario/Toronto is. (Most everybody in Ontario hates Toronto, btw. Its where our taxes go to die.)

I will say that one nice thing about drawing a line, is that you get to decide who's going to be allowed in to your country. That's a pretty important thing, as recent history indicates. If you draw a line you can keep out all the university educated white middle class Liberal/NDP voters that are currently f-ing up my province. (Ha, you trolls thought I was going to say immigrants didn't you? That's because you're morons.)

Also, if you manage to keep personal freedom and the sovereignty of the individual as a central premise in your tiny new country, given the added attraction of more oil than Arabia, large swaths of the central USA and western Ontario may soon be asking if -they- can join -you-.

Rex is right. Hope the CPC has not fallen for this warming hoax and is only paying lip service until enough people wake up.

I have been a monarchist for ever, but that wing nut Prince Charlie can get lost.

Why wouldn't the Western Provinces become their own country? They have blue water access to the part of the world that is growing (ie. Asia) vice the one that is slowly dying (ie. Europe). They would have the ability to pick and choose the best parts of Canadian and American governmental systems (like a very stringent immigration system).

There would be a huge exodus of Newfoundlanders from Canada to the new country--in order to keep their jobs. Many central Canadians who like the idea of working for a living and not paying layabouts to watch TV would move to the new country (I'll be one of them--I've got an in--my oldest son was born in Alberta).

So Central Canada would be primarily made up of government employees(all levels), welfare recipients, unemployed auto workers and Quebecois (who'll threaten separation every 5 to 10 yrs and enact discriminatory laws on its Anglophone population).

Hmmm...memo to western provinces...could you PLEASE move your timetable forward and make this happen sooner? I would respectfully suggest keeping the monarchy (for now) in order to get automatic recognition from Britain. If the Brits don't recognize...then dump the monarchy. However, keeping the Queen on the new country's currency would give its populace a feeling of continuity--the only major (welcome) change would be the disappearance of French from government buildings, offices, answering machines and money (to denote the new country from Canada).

The National Energy Program was a lesson that Albertans learned deep in their bones. Any program that unduly punishes the west is simply off the table.

Another excellent piece by Rex Murphy. He makes me proud to be a Newfoundlander.

The best hope we have here is that hard-working Ontarians wake up to any scent of government policy that penalizes the West as part of AGW hysteria. For if the West goes down Ontario will be absolutely SLAMMED.

If Ontario screams at government, they will surely listen due to their 103 seats. The key is to get Ontario to scream the correct message; the one that ENABLES oil exploration and development.

Shortsighted, at best, is any Canadian who endorses hobbling a major national economic engine for the sake of environmental hysteria.

As for the CPC, I'm still waiting for a Vaclav Klaus-type denunciation of AGW politics. It's a faint hope, but I am so desiring that Harper or a cabinet minister will grow a pair and cut through the propaganda.

Well said 'Post by: rabbit'

Kathryn: "Is it [The Law of Unintended Consequences] so unintended? There are plenty in the environmental movement who hate capitalism and the wealth and prosperity it brings with a passion. They're not called watermelons for nothing."

Yes, it is unintended.

Amazing as it might seem, the wondrous environmentalists have no better idea about how the future will unfold than the rest of us. The consequences of their actions might well be realities that they never saw coming.

The intellectuals who hastened the advent of the Russian Revolution eventually found themselves facing Lenin's firing squads.

It was always thus.

Alberta Saskatchewan and Manitoba should go it alone and leave BC with Suzuki. a nice energy corridor (take the yukon too.) maybe the US could demand a right of way on the Alaska highway. after all they built it.

[quote]What did disappoint me was visiting Prince Charles' pronouncements on the issue mere moments after being put behind a microphone in this country. He could (should) have kept his message bland and apolitical but he had to pipe up about "Climate change being the most critical issue of our times...bla-bla-blah..." and I was reaching for the mute button right there.[/quote]

Donny M,
Surely you know that this Royal has invested the Crown Jewels in the AGW Scam... Time for the mere chattels, of the Commonwealth, to be educated in the power/wisdom of the blue bloods.

Charles is in Canada for that ONE reason and only that reason.. He is a partner with the Pig-Beast Gore….. both paid whores of Soros

What I really like about the Wildrose Party is the fact that so-called "rednecks" out here, voted in a lady to lead the party. I'm hoping that the party grows and that Lady leads this province at least, out of Confederation.

It was sorta mentioned in the leaders' debate in Calgary but nobody ran with it. There are more important things to do first.

There are more important things to do first.
~po'ed in AB

Gotta build that firewall first that Mr. Stelmach said was unnecessary because it was just, "fighting past battles."

Notice from the comments on Rex's article that many Easterners still think the oil is "Canada's" resource and doesn't belong to the provinces per the 1867 Confederation Act and then accuse western separatists as being traitors when the ones who want the federal government to invade provincial jurisdiction are the ones who are really renouncing Confederation.

The Wildrose Alliance is the perfect party to stand up and shout loudly that AGW is a socialist wealth redistribution scam, and that Alberta will manage its own enery/environmental issues, and will not be participating in any tax schemes in the name of fake science and propaganda.

If a true grass roots conservative party from Alberta cant rear up and shout the truth, we cant expect that anyone else will.

Gore carbon billionaire
“Gore is poised to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html?_r=1

Where to begin? Kate, how about this little article from the NYT (the NYT!!)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/03/business/energy-environment/03gore.html?_r=1

It actually talks about how much money Gore has and will make from the snake-oil he is selling. Chairman Mo, Soros and Gore enriching themselves by spreading misery and "Dr." Suzuki shilling for it here in Canada.

As for the latest report from "Dr." Suzuki and the Pembina institute, who do you think really funded it? Banks have been used in the past for fronts from wealthy clients trying to get around certain inconveniences. I would not be surprised one bit if Chairman Mo is not behind this one too.

I have been a somewhat frequent poster on this site since I fell in love with it (and Kate) a few months ago. On it, I have truly found people who want the truth and facts to come forth. On this site, I have said many times; Canada does not work. It is untennable at best and completely disfunctional in reality.
Perhaps the most galling to me was Gilles Duceppe castigating the government because it won't sign the Copenhagen deal because it would be beneficial to Quebec and detrimental to Alberta. MR. DUCEPPE, WHO DO YOU THINK HAS PROPPED UP YOUR WHINY, IMMORAL WELFARE STATE FOR THE LAST HALF CENTURY!!!!!!!!!!

Either Quebec goes and we can save what is left or truly the writing is on the wall.

Chris in the Bridge

P.S. God save the Queen. Let us keep the Monarchy at least in remembrance of all those that fought and died under the Union Jack when Canada was worth keeping.

No question Rex gets it. As for the inbred idiot Prince of ears, he is a poster child for laws against families procreating among themselves.

If a true grass roots conservative party from Alberta cant rear up and shout the truth, we cant expect that anyone else will.
~ward

ward, I don't think the WAP needs to fight an uphill battle against the media by trumpeting that particular cause just now.

They need to get elected first.

Can't you just see candidates from the Alberta PCs, NDP, and Liberals wittling down the image of the WAP as the only conservative party by making them look like radicals to uninformed voters on this single issue?

The elected Alberta government always has the "notwithstanding clause" in the constitution to fall back on if need be.

Well said Rex Murphy!

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Terence Corcoran: Climatism And The New Green Industrial State

[ Big business and the globe’s greatest corporate powers are marching in lock step with governments and environmentalists to impose climate policy on the world and its people. At the Copenhagen climate conference in December, no group looks forward more fervently than big business to a global carbon control agreement filled with firm targets, big tax increases and massive subsidies for special interests all over the world.]

[ And smack in the middle of this global PR machine, shifting the gears and greasing the wheels, are the world’s leading environmentalists and green NGOs: The World Wildlife Fund, David Suzuki, the Sierra Club, Environmental Defence, Forest Ethics, the Pembina Institute and many more. Together with industry, they pressure government in the creation of the green industrial state.]

The Gores and Suzukis of the world will do any thing to keep the scam going. Anything ! Including lying.

They know that if(and it will eventually) this scam fails, there will be many people and corporations and gov'ts and media taking the mother-of-all-baths.

The anger directed toward these Kult Leaders will be so immense it will be untenable for them. They will be wishing they were dead.

For those of us on this site who haven't quite figured out what those behind AGW are all about let me make it clear. Global Warming is the vehicle that power hungry men are using to attempt to control the economies of the world. Once they have control of the economies, they essentially have world domination. This is about what it is and always has been about - money and power. They want to impoverish the great masses of the world in order to gain our money for themselves and impose their rule on us. Global Warming is a hoax - it is their vehicle - and our populations are doing this to themselves. The west should separate from Canada. No question.

The Confederation was doomed from the start but even more so once Trudeau and his crap policies and Mulroney (who let the BQ into parliament) came along. We should do it fast, we should do it hard, and we should never ever look back. Then we would perhaps get our rights and freedoms back where we want them - in our own hands.

Goreacle Report: Al moves on.

Gore tosses CO2 into the ash heap of his history:

“”Over the years I have been among those who focused most of all on CO2, and I think that’s still justified,” he told the magazine. “But a comprehensive plan to solve the climate crisis has to widen the focus to encompass strategies for all” of the greenhouse culprits identified in the Nasa study.”

“Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emissions.”
…-

“”He is one of the only politicians that takes the time to actually talk to scientists who are producing the cutting-edge stuff and he comes in with questions. He doesn’t ask us how our results impinge on a particular policy he actually asks about science,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist at Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, who spoke to Gore along with colleagues four or five times for the book.

>>> “Nobody that we have dealt with has ever taken as much time to understand the subtlety of the science and all the different complications and what it all means as Al Gore.”

Those conversations led Gore to politically inconvenient conclusions in this new book. In his conversations with Schmidt and other colleagues at the beginning of the year, Gore explored new studies – published only last week – that show methane and black carbon or soot had a far greater impact on global warming than previously thought. Carbon dioxide – while the focus of the politics of climate change – produces around 40% of the actual warming.
Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emissions.

“Over the years I have been among those who focused most of all on CO2, and I think that’s still justified,” he told the magazine. “But a comprehensive plan to solve the climate crisis has to widen the focus to encompass strategies for all” of the greenhouse culprits identified in the Nasa study.

The former vice-president has been working behind the scenes to try to nudge the White House and Congress to move forward on a 920-page proposed law to cut America’s greenhouse gas emissions and encourage its use of clean energy sources like solar and wind power.”

“Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth sequel stresses spiritual argument on climate

Nobel winner adapts fact-based message to reach those who believe they have a moral duty to protect the planet in Our Choice: A Plan to Solve the Climate Crisis”

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Environment/2009/11/03/11617491-reuters.html

The WAP is already cast as a "fringe, right-wing party" by the media that counts, in places that believe that the status quo should rule.

I'm a member. We don't need any more "labels" affixed to the Party and what it represents. As was mentioned above, we need to get elected and right now, firewalls & separation should be off the table. However, a coherent response to the AGW fraud would be a more defining statement than the wishy-washy, Big Government one in current fashion with the CPC.

Remember, there are really only two faces of the Party right now, Hinman & Smith, so if any of you posting here live in AB & have no political baggage, I'd suggest throwing your hat into the ring and run as a WAP MLA. We have three years to build this Party up.

To blanks, who said in his November 3, 2009 9:05 AM post that the father of David deRothschild is "Said to own/control nearly half of the worlds economy, est. worth 500 trillion dollars", the world's economy is only roughly one tenth of that amount or about 50 trillion.

I have three tips for you.

1 Tear yourself away from Youtube videos long enough to properly educate yourself.
2 Discontinue any recreational drug use you might be involved in and,
3 If your into model building or some other activity that involves strong glues, keep a window open and make sure the place is properly aired out.

You're welcome.

"Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emission."

IOW, the world knows CO2 is an essential, harmless gas, of which the world needs more, not less, and that it will, indeed, be hard to build a consensus around a known scam.

IOW, the jig is up - let the fraud-suits begin.

“Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth sequel stresses spiritual argument on climate."

Instead of, what, 'science' !!??

How cool of him ! Because of him, Canada could be ripped apart - just to be moral, ya see.

karen "The west should separate from Canada. No question."

Dream on!

while you've been wasting your time and breath with "separation" your great leader Ralph Kline was busy attending the Bildergerger meetings.

Spare me this West is holier than thou nonsense. Isn't "Steve" from the west?
Steve I think I'll sign on Obama's dotted carbon credit line first chance I can get?

First off, I suspect Quebec will not have an issue with Alberta separating so long as it continues with the transfer payments.

Second, I don't think separation will be accomplished without bloodshed. Central Canadians do not respect us and they will not respect our sovereignty.

Thirdly, there is no separation movement in western Canada. Alberta has the semblance of a movement but Saskatchewan and BC are not in the plans. People in all three provinces, but especially Saskatchewan and BC need to get off their arses, learn some history and make some decisions. You can't wait for Albertans do it for you.

Finally, the Americans are experiencing a similar "culture war" but unfortunately for them their conservative culture isn't concentrated like it is here in Canada out west. There may be potential in the future to work with states that are book ended by coastal states who share similar values.

The sooner central Canadians realize that Alberta's desire to separate isn't about money, the sooner Canada can make progress on western alienation. Our grievance is about culture and values; the money is just a symptom. You are welcome to your new age progressive baby murdering woman hating self-loathing pedophile loving terrorist helping Mike Vick and household pet hating hypocrisy. Just understand that we think you're f'd-up; and if you want to push your crap on us you can go f yourselves.

As soon as you get that, then perhaps we can work together towards a stronger Confederation.

Btw, jjm

I’ll take two seats in the Senate and equal and elected representation any day. Oh yeah, property rights would be nice.

Wait a minute. There may be hope after all. Time for a rethink ?

[Centrist Blue Dog Democrats might see their position strengthened if Democrats suffer broader electoral losses, one Blue Dog member suggested Tuesday.

Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) argued that an election night rebuke for Democratic candidates across the nation could lead some in the party to rethink their plans on healthcare reform and other issues.]

Including global warming.

Last Dec. we were one Governor General decision away from western separation. Three of the wests premiers held a meeting with the forth on the phone and the referendum question was drafted for a spring vote. Yukon, NWt and Nunivat asked to be included and were invited. I say bring it on, Harper was a great Western Prime Minister, but the PMO and party brass have corrupted him. He would make a great President in a free west.

Having lived in central Alberta during through the NEP I saw the effect it had on individuals and business. Previously successful businesses quickly crumbled. Anything to do with the oil patch, transportation or service into those sectors was hit fast and hard. Some people lost everything and blamed in the East.

The West will never let that happen again. Ever.

"He is a partner with the Pig-Beast Gore... both paid whores of Soros"
My sworn oath will not extend beyond the death of Her Majesty and am prepared to accept whatever repercussions before I ever genuflect to George VII.

"P.S. God save the Queen. ..."
I pray the longevity of Queen Mary will be passed to her daughter and we are witness to a Prince's requiem before a King's coronation.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7046

"The green image of hydro power as a benign alternative to fossil fuels is false, says Éric Duchemin, a consultant for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). "Everyone thinks hydro is very clean, but this is not the case," he says.

Hydroelectric dams produce significant amounts of carbon dioxide and methane, and in some cases produce more of these greenhouse gases than power plants running on fossil fuels. "

Shut down Hydro-Quebec!!!

A well reasoned commentary from Rex Murphy, as expected.

While we all love to rant about big business getting into bed with the green advocates, how about actually doing something about it!

The report was funded by the Toronto Dominion Bank, why in heck would any westerner, northener or maritimer associate with a business that has Toronto in its title. Show your displeasure and cancel any accounts you currently have. It does not matter if there is much money in it, a sudden "run" against the bank would get the attention of Drummond and the government. In todays economic environment the panic it would start in the banks boardroom might convince them that there is a voting bloc worth listening too.

I urge you to vote with your money. FREE THE WEST.

blanks;

Your ignorance is truely breathtaking. Not content with having made a fool of yourself with the assertion that the deRothschild's fortune is 500 trillion dollars, an amount that is 10 times the size of the economy of the entire planet, you now talk of Ralph Klein attending "Bildergerger meetings." The correct name is Bilderberg you simpleton.

"I have been a monarchist for ever, but that wing nut Prince Charlie can get lost."

I too have been a lifelong monarchist, but Charlie has liberated my inner republican.

Oz and Po'ed:

Why should the WAP be afraid to speak the truth on the scam that is AGW? It is nothing more than a leftwing policy plank and wealth and power redistributionist scheme, and I'll bet that more Albertans believe its a scam than believe in AGW.

Because you fear the media will label them? They are going to get labelled anyway, so why not take the lead on the issue and get it out there?

"bring it on" - if you say so, lady

http://www.adventureecology.com/

Rex certainly does get it but read the comments. Pathetic. Big Green has brain wiped a whole generation.

Ward

The Conservatives have almost all of the seats in western Canada already. The Conservative song and dance isn't for us, it's for central and eastern Canada. The Conservatives are depending on western apathy, they are "throwing us under the bus" as they like to say down south. Too bad the Liberals aren't bold enough to capitalize on this.

dear bob c
"you simpleton"

where's your mensa blog?

Why Ottawa is content on alienating its own people I do not know.
Rex Murphy said it all.

I am still waiting for someone to ask the LITTLE Green in Canada,aka Lizzie May, what effects her proposed $50 a tonne carbon tax would have had on the economy of Canada. Maybe blanks knows?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427321.000-clever-fools-why-a-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart.html?full=true

blanks: getting your worldview from Youtube videos is the surest way to not get taken seriously by adults. Yhat Rothschild bullshit is 19th-century anti-Semitism rehashed by modern-day Nazis. The total value of all real wealth in the world is roughly 100 trillion dollars, for one thing.

I've wasted hours I will never get back arguing about "Zeitgeist" with no-lobes 19-year olds in forums - let's not do it here.

I would be 1st to admit to being a "no-lobe" but too argue that because the 500 trillion figure may be an exaggeration = Rothschild's are being picked on because of their part Jewish ancestory is Moe-lobe.
Zeitgeist, what's to argue, it's part of the global warming/climate change, sign Copenhagen club?
David deRothschild supports that effort.

wallyj
"Maybe blanks knows?"
$50/tonne carbon tax = Obama/Baird//McGuinty Cap and Trade plan.
in a simpleton's way

blanks;

Saying the Rothschilds are worth 500 trillion isn't an exaggeration, it's so far off the mark as to qualify as flat out lunacy. It says to me that if you aren't an anti-semite, you're a naif who swallows whatever gibberish happens to be floating around.

You're wasting your time running your nonsense by posters on this blog. Try the Daily Kos or some such lefty blog where you'll be in the company of other semi-literate knuckle draggers like yourself.

I'll be moving out west if the Red-Green Menace gets its way.
The israelis built a wall to keep out scum so maybe we can wall toronto in, as an alternative.
And meanwhile, REAL climate scientists(non guv) are noticing we're within a hair of a fullblown iceage.
We need a constitutional amendment to keep politics out of classrooms til grade 10..Only the 3Rs!!

dear bob c
your right about one thing "this isn't the place" and

not that you would know because no one really does, what is the net worth of Mayer Amschel Rothschild's grandchildren?
Mr. know it all?
(9 x the U.S. federal debt) x Interest plus the city of London squared plus Washington DC minus any expenses which are o.
sounds like a reasonable start but don't forget they also control all the finances of the Vatican which is also a "known unknown".
one could formulate but I think saying more than any other humans on earth would be the under statement of the century or millennium.

$50/tonne carbon tax = Obama/Baird//McGuinty Cap and Trade plan.
in a simpleton's way

Posted by: blanks at November 3, 2009 5:20 PM
I was hoping that I could get it in a more relevant way as to our economy. But hey,thanks for the effort,we'll see if we can get you a ribbon to match your helmet.

If the west does go its own way I vote to keep the monarchy as well. Hey we could call ourselves the Western Kingdom.....we would be called Westerners then!!! Of course Prince Chuck is a disappointment but the what the heck. If we got rid of democracy ever time a politician disappointed us or was a goof we would have given up on it years ago. Plus I'm so sick and tired of seeing a never ending attempt to destroy ALL of traditions. Alot of that was started by PET and his attempts to do away with our Royal traditions. Hell any of our traditions.

Posted by: wallyj at November 3, 2009 9:20 PM
"a more relevant way"

ahh, Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye, hope that helps?

blanks;

A few points;

1 Quotation marks are used to repeat precisely what someone said. I have not used the words "this isn't the place" so quotation marks are inappropriate.

2 Perhaps you missed the point in school, but the purpose of language is to convey a thought. When you say things like, "(9 x the U.S. federal debt) x Interest plus the city of London squared plus Washington DC minus any expenses which are o", you fundamentally fail in that exercise. You don't impress anyone other than a 14 year old with pseudo equations of that sort. You just make yourself look like silly.

3 No, I'm not a know it all. That is why I fact check things. Give it a try sometime and you won't fall for it when someone tells you that any individual possesses the equivalent of 10 times the world's GDP. That was was a monumental error on your part that made you look really bad and did nothing but discredit whatever point you were trying to make.

4 As you have said, the Rothschilds have assiduously kept knowledge of their worth a secret. So no, one cannot "formulate", extrapolate or calculate what that worth is currently. What you are engaged in is nothing more than uninformed speculation.

5 From what I've read, the Rothschilds were billionaires or close to it a hundred years ago. It is from that that some think they must be worth far more today. Perhaps, but two world wars and the great depression happened between then and now. Some wealthy people became even moreso during those times, but others hurled themselves from windows because they were left penniless. You have no idea where between those extremes to place the Rothschilds. Don't pretend otherwise.

"while you've been wasting your time and breath with "separation" your great leader Ralph Kline was busy attending the Bildergerger meetings." from Mr. (I hope he is shooting) Blanks. -----------"Listen hear son,I say,I say,the correct spelling is Klein,and he was attending the 'Build a Burger' meetings. Now run along,I got me some hens that need some attention,if you know what I mean".

Single Malt 12:34 Even Gormley said at the time that it was time to consider it (separation).

Wingwalker 12:41, my sentiments exactly. My paper says "Elizabeth the Second", not a George Soros flunky.

Posted by: ward at November 3, 2009 2:08 PM

I am a western sepratist Ward. However, it might be best to keep our powder dry, while Eddie flames out and the WAP attempts in three year's time to replace the PC's.

In any event, the federal PC's might as some post "throw us under the bus" on the green dream in the interim, in which case Ms Smith is bound and determined to protect Alberta's interests. If separation becomes an option, I don't see why the Party shouldn't begin the process. But they have to take the reins from Eddy first.

Why start a fight, when you can finish the one started by somone else?

Wallyj said, "Now run along,I got me some hens that need some attention,if you know what I mean".

I'm doing my best not to imagine that.

Why get your shorts in a knot over this. There is a piece of legislation in the Charter called the "not withstanding clause".

blancs: I don't give a hoot about Ralph Klein as I don't live in Alberta. The west isn't holier than thou but we are certainly in a much different place than a lot of the urban Ontario/Quebec folks. We value different things and have different priorities and we're sick and tired of being towed along down paths we didn't choose through disproportionate representation in the House of Commons.

Just a note to Indiana Homez, when the Liberals brought in the long gun registry and there were stirrings of separation in several provinces, it was Saskatchewan (not Alberta, Manitoba, or BC) who polled the highest percentage of population wanting to separate.

I wonder how a Maritimer would like living in a Canada, minus the western provinces. I mean where their 25 seats in Ottawa, were up against 60 in Kwebek.

Guess whose dog would wag the tail ....permenantly?

Sometimes you need a few friends.

The WAP is already cast as a "fringe, right-wing party" by the media that counts, in places that believe that the status quo should rule.
~po'ed in AB

True.
But very few people are aware that AGW is the scam that it is and any competing candidate could get in a cheap easy shot at the WAP, to the exclusion of other issues, if global warming were to be a high profile issue in a race.

The "fringe, right-wing party" label the WAP is getting from the media is understood by voters to be because the WAP are too conservative, which is a good thing.

The cumulative effect, as each shot opposing candidates take at WAP on the issue is publicized, would be bad as it would make the WAP look radical in a bad way, out of touch with "popular" wisdom, instead of radical in a good way.

Because you fear the media will label them? They are going to get labelled anyway, so why not take the lead on the issue and get it out there?
~ward

Simply put, it hands the opposition candidates as individuals a ready-made talking point, and no I wouldn't bet that most voters are aware that AGW is a scam.

As individuals, the opposing candidates can just hammer away at this single point and make hay with it, with the assurance that the media will pick up the statements made by each and every opposition candidate, giving them exposure.

Even if the WAP candidates, as individuals, can answer back effectively, it's an uphill battle to educate the voters and you can be sure the full effective answer the WAP candidate might give wouldn't be reported in it's entirety.

The AGW battle is emotion vs facts, and the facts take a lot of cranial sink time for the uneducated.
We all know that emotions make better soundbites.