Indeed.

Kate, don't you ever go "tee hee" instead of "heh"?

After all, there's a "tee" (shirt) involved here, so "tee hee" would be a cute little pun...

.....interchangeable cults of personality......

What a friggin joke....some day the Nobel Peace Prize may actually become a prize of prestige once again...given to people who actually deserve it!

Need those T-Shirts. They'd sell out in no time.

They want money for those T's ? I'm confused .

I think the reverse - Obama wearing a Che shirt - may actually have happened at some point.

How about Obama in a Che beret with the Che raidant emanations?

Now we know the answer to the question: "What happens when teh Hippies get power?"

Stupendous debt, waste and destruction of the economy. Abd we must akll hold hands and sing la-la-la-dee-la.

the real image

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che/dead-che-2.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/che-autopsy-1.htm&usg=__BM8Ti3Zf_riKi6Z3-3WxGZ4kKhM=&h=500&w=637&sz=351&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=LHzRozEzTraDWM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpicture%2Bche%2Bguevara%2Bdead%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26um%3D1

i think che looks far better than OHKarobski,,

Posted by: RW
Stupendous debt, waste and destruction of the economy. Abd we must akll hold hands and sing la-la-la-dee-la.*****
Think it's more like KUMBAYA!!!!!!!!

Saw Che calendar for sale in McNally Robinson (book sellers), Saskatoon yesterday. In the children's section no less. It is weird how a mass murder is an icon among the lefties and the unwitting high school and university crowd. I doubt though that the teachers and professors have anything to do with this.

Go Green!

OT 44-44

Nice t-shirt, we had good laughs.

Instead of 'HOPE' it should have said 'DISAPPOINTMENT', but the Che's of today do not yet know.

change the HOPE to DOPE, and bingo, you got a winner:-))))

Where is the bona fides AK-47 with 40mm GP-30 underbarrel grenade launcher?

Obama T-shirt certainly doesn't do Che Guevara any justice.

You need a nice Che quote emblazoned below the photo like:

“I don't care if I fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting.”

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Waaay off topic: Danielle smith wins the WRA leadership vote going away. After the pathetic tv address by stelmach (where they have yet to admit they made any mistakes) this past week the leadeship vote he faces at the annual convention this week could mean the end of his term as
premier - remarkable.

Pure perfection in uniting the symbols. But, our poor Marxist dupes I'm afraid aren't going to make it to the Promised Land with the vacuous Empty Suit this time around. They are going to have to mount an armed coup next time around which is pretty tough for girlie boy lefties in urban guerrilla drag.

Penny

I hope you're right....on second thought, no I don't.

Hope is the platitude of the weak, perseverance is the walk of the honorable.

Syncro

Good for Danielle!

I for one am not going to start believing that Ohbummer is a psychopath like Che. He's better than that ... isn't he?

Correction stelmachs vote is in November.

Too good and too true.
My sister has an anti-Che t-shirt and people always ask with bewildered faces what it means. It means that a boy-killer shouldn't be a part of a mass consumerist and philosophical campaign, that's what.
Vote for Pedro.

Ché Hey, it's Obama in the grassy-green zone of S.D.A. - South Democratic America... I appreciate the pictoral association and the overall message of HOPE!! On the side, CONGRATS to Danielle Smith and her lovely flower-power image to lead the Wild Rose.

and Obama Derangement System has an official t-shirt now....

Spurious, its only derangement if he hasn't done anything for us to be cranky about.

That ain't the case for me, because I'm a Pontiac man.

Che is looking right while the big Owe is looking left.

sooooooo in 40 years The B.O. will have his mug recognized, in that pose, all over the world? an icon living prominently amongst us for a change?

that's a big part of the comparison!

Phantom - folks here need very little (shall I dangle a CBC out there to start the corgis yapping?) to be cranky!

Spurious

By all means proceed.

Syncro

Venceremos!!

So we shall.

Syncro

We have an 'antique shop' here in Nanaimo that featured an original Mao propoganda poster. Mao was surrounded by young, smiling Chinese 'working class' women.

I asked the proprietor why he would feature a mass murderer in his front window, yet he clearly didn't get it - after all, Mao is an 'icon'.

I asked him if he'd feature a similar poster of Adolph Hitler, but he didn't see any connection whatsoever.

Sad, really.

Something has got to go on the back. The Kool-Aid Man, perhaps.

Congratulations to Danille.

It's interesting how they make heroes out of villains! Gotta figure that our someday!

It's interesting how they make heroes out of villains! Gotta figure that out someday!

Great T-shirt! A picture says a thousand words. I've been around awhile and do you know the only people who "admire" Mao? Communists. That's who. Oh sure, in fairness, they're the "if only we could have "real" or "true" communism", communists. Maybe calling themselves socialists, for now. But hey one day you may have to make an omelet, you know.

Thomas_L, ya, some of us know about that omelet stuff.

"Che Guevara is an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom, we will always honor his memory." --- NELSON MANDELA

Che has always been a personal hero of mine ... and I am well aware that he had a few hundred war criminals shot against a wall.

I wish the world had more Che's today.

David, given your wish: I wish we had a Second Amendment in this country.

I've often wondered why Canadian kids are so anxious to celebrate the 'hero' of some other country (Argentina?) when we have our own hero whose image should appeal to them. Why doesn't someone start making Louis Riel T-shirts. I bet they would sell like hotcakes.

Nothing brings out the reich-wing dittohead chamber like a Che mention.

That's because we revile psychopathic murderers, we don't glorify them.

nv53, right ... that's why the right-wing loves Bush who killed a million Iraqi's or Reagan who's contra death squads killed several hundred thousand Latin Americans ... "but, but that meany Che had a few hundred torturers and rapists shot after a revolution" (eye roll)

Ronald Radosh disagrees with you, Jake, re: "el Contrarevoluciones".

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"I think this makes it official: the liberal Brookings Institution is apparently no longer bothering to update their Iraq Index, with the last update having been done on September 1st. Final score: 8500-11000 MW of power (vs. 4000 prewar), vastly improved access to potable water/sanitation/trash removal, something like five hundred times as many cellphones, a million people with Internet access in a country that previously had essentially none, a tripling of GDP, billions in foreign investment, national debt halved, and thousands of trained judges. Even the endemic fuel shortages appear much ameliorated, with the number of Iraqis saying they had good access to fuel rising from 19% in 2008 to 68% this year. Oh yeah, and a fairly liberal Arab constitutional democracy with basic rights for minorities, including the rights of voting, free press, free assembly, and free speech.

"Meanwhile, the security situation in Iraq is better than ever (and far, far better than the average ~7,000 a month killed under Saddam), with icasualties reporting an incredibly low 158 deaths total in September -- the lowest ever recorded."

http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2009/10/the_unthinkable.html

h/t tranio, October 17 at 9:54 AM

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The discredited Lancet study, which relied on Ba'ath Arab Socialist stringers to compile the data, says 1,000,000. Others have a considerably lower estimate. As the article above says the genocidal Saddam was killing ~7,000 a month from 1979-2003.

Anything else, Jake?

The first synonym for "Terrorism" is "American Foreign Policy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjr_cPS9_A

did jwkozak91 just cite "classicalvalues.org" to justify and excuse an illegal imperialist invasion and genocide of a million people ... why yes I think he did.

WRT Cuba,

I've read that from 1959-2007, the equivalent of 5% of the Cuban population was killed by their own government. That's a lot of omelets.

Ronald Radosh can also recount his visit to a Cuban mental institution in the early 1980s where he met a gay male, imprisoned because homosexuality was a "counterrevolutionary deviancy".

"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this quality... We must strive every day so that this love of living humanity will be transformed into actual deeds, into acts that serve as examples, as a moving force." --- CHE GUEVARA

Che Guevara was 'created' through the United Fruit Co & CIA 1953 overthrow of the democratically elected Arbenz in Guatemala (while Che was living there). Any actions of Uncle Sam's induced Frankenstein's, ultimately lead back to U.S. foreign policy - and the brutal tyrants it supports, arms, and chooses to head it's allied financial oligarchies.

Jon Lee Anderson, the author of the 800 + page 'Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life', who spent 5 years researching the man has stated thus about the executions following the revolutionary tribunals modeled after Nuremburg:

"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."

NEXT ?

The True Story of Che Guevara by the History Channel:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5762714709014580290#

Watch and Learn Something right-wingers

Pretty hard to find a credible source,when they are dead. AND BTW...."Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."" So You agreeing that we every Taliban,Muslim,etc terrorist in the world should be summarily shot? Bravo. Maybe your one brain cell found its way home.

My caption:

Two wrongs will never make it right.

Read this, Jake:

http://www.amazon.com/Exposing-Real-Che-Guevara-Idolize/dp/B001NXDRXU/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255907216&sr=1-5

It's hard to argue with witnesses who saw Che (the spoiled wealthy Che) kill adolescent boys.

I can hardly wait for the defense of Mao, Stalin and Fidel!

haha Humberto Fontova is a partian hack who writes screeds like he was a scorned teenager on her Myspace blog.

Nobody takes him seriously, except for true right-wing troglodytes.

The 3 main Che biographers are Anderon, Taibo, & Castaneda ... Fontova's expertise is spear fishing.

Truman nuked 250,000 Japanese ... Americans & Canadians cheer

Che has 200 rapists and torturers shot ... right-wingers cry foul

go figure

I'm sorry, Freddy- are you saying a Cuban doesn't know anything about Che the great Pretender?
I just need to be clear on this.

Nobody is also mentioning that the dictator Batista had 20,000 Cubans killed and ran the island as a Mafia casino and w#orehouse.

So if 20,000 people are massacred, and Che has the 200 guilty shot ... how does that make him a murderer? I thought the right favored the death penalty? I know I do.

Huh-
Do shut up.

No Osumashi Kinyobe, I am saying that a disgruntled hack hunter who writes for right wing blogs and speaks in sophmoric insults is not a credible source.

Fontova hasn't set foot in Cuba since he was 7 in 1961 ... his info is collected from old geezers in Miami who are bitter that they lost their mansion.

So, witness testimony is insufficient?
Who do you think was asked to glorify Che?

Osumashi Kinyobe would you support a "biography" written solely by communists who hate Ronald Reagan and refer to him as an "old senile blood sucking war criminal"???

I don't think so

Fontova is not a serious writer - he's a quasi comedian

"Truman nuked 250,000 Japanese ... Americans & Canadians cheer." - "con$ervative"

And why did Jon Stewart apologize the day after he called Truman a "war criminal"? /sarc

Correcting "Huh?"

So if 20,000 [Cubans] are massacred [between 1959-2007], and [no one] has the 200 guilty shot ... how does that make [Che innocent]?

Correcting "Huh?", again.

"Nobody is also[sp.] mentioning that the dictator [Fidel] had 20,000 Cubans killed and ran the island as a[n] [Army] casino[...]."

Why would I embrace Che supporters?
Would you regard Pascal Fontaine and Jang Chung's accounts of Che as "erroneous" or "fanciful" as well?
Che was a spoiled wealthy butcher and now he adorns the t-shirts of the gullible.

Truman nuked 250,000 Japanese ... Americans & Canadians cheer

Che has 200 rapists and torturers shot ... right-wingers cry foul

go figure
Posted by: conserva$hits at October 18, 2009 7:45 PM "

to accurately assess Truman's decision you have to put yourself in his shoes *at the time*.

NO 20/20 hindsight allowed.

japan had been at war some 14 years. theirs was a samurai tradition; translation: fight to the death.

their war capability was shrinking every day, but still the fighting continued. I read the book about the plan for an amphibious invasion of Japan dwarfing Normandy. the biggest difference, Europe was friendly albeit enemy occupied territory. not so Honshu and Hokkaido. Truman was only given official word of the Manhattan project when he took office and it had not at that time been tested.

etc etc.

the quick version? WITHOUT ANY HIND SIGHT PERMITTED:

weighing => millions of casualties on BOTH sides including vastly more civilians in the invasion of their homeland, or, The Bomb from a single plane.

you could set your watch to the time lapse between the chain reaction and the signing of (quoting McArthur) "instruments of surrender" on Tokyo Bay.

Truman wasnt a go%^$mn war criminal. anyone who says that doesn't know squat about history or war and understands even less.

believe it or not I once dreamt I was the pilot of one of those B-29s.

curious George, are you willing to grant such nuance to Che as well, who had just overthrown a brutal regime ?

Covservatives are funny in their hypocrisy

George Washington owned slaves, but he was just a creature of his time and should still be a hero

Thomas Jefferson raped his female slave and had a baby with her, but lets not use hindsight to judge

Sure Reagan used death squads in Latin America to execute 300,000 + mostly poor peasants - but hey sometimes you need to kill for "freedom"

But Che ... he did the ungodly act of not pardoning 200 or so war criminals for a corrupt regime after a revolution and thus they were shot. OH MY GAWDZZZ !!!! 101110

Ronald Radosh disagrees with you, Jake, re: "el Contrarevoluciones". Radosh spent time with them in the Nicaraguan jungle, and compared them to Ortega's guys. Ronald Radosh, ex-socialist and "red-diaper baby", says the Contras were a "true people's army". Not my words, his.

"Commies: A Journey Through The Old Left, The New Left, and the Leftover Left", 2001, Encounter Books, pages 173-197: "Adventures in Sandinistaland".

Breaking news: Artist who made the Obama "Hope" poster pictured above probably STOLE to photo its based on.

"NEW YORK - Shepard Fairey's claim that he had the right to use a news photo to create his famous Barack Obama "HOPE" poster became a widely watched court case about fair use that now appears to have nearly collapsed.

By Friday night, his attorneys - led by Anthony Falzone, executive director of the Fair Use Project at Stanford University - had withdrawn from the case and said the artist had misled them by fabricating information and destroying other material."

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/10/17/2009-10-17_artist_admits_using_key_ap_photo_for_hope_poster.html

The corruption just keeps oozing out, doesn't it boys?

No one said slavery, totalitarianism or murder were right. You're just proving the point- Che was an evil man because he did murder, threaten, steal, deprive people of freedom and forcibly move people from their land.
I don't think you thought this through.

Che is one of the greatest heroes of the last century.

The fact that right-wing uneducated turds hate him only confirms this.

Hasta la Victoria Siempre !

Ronald Radosh can also recount his visit to a Cuban mental institution in the early 1980s where he met a gay man, imprisoned because homosexuality was a "counterrevolutionary deviancy".

Funny then, that at the 2001 Summit of the Americas in Quebec City, Svend Robinson would walk shoulder-to-shoulder with people waving a Cuban flag with Che's picture on it.

"[...]right-wing uneducated[...]" - look in the mirror.

"Che was not only an intellectual but the most complete human being of our age." --- JEAN PAUL SARTRE

"Che was not only an intellectual but the most complete human being of our age." --- JEAN PAUL SARTRE

Actions speak louder than words. Especially from nihilists.