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October 15, 2009

What Would Jean Chretien Do?

Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!

Via an obscure ethnic restaurant critic's archives;

OTTAWA - The Liberals are complaining to the federal ethics commissioner over the Harper government's use of taxpayer cheques bearing the Conservative party logo or Tory MPs signatures.

Ethics Commissioner Mary Dawson is being asked to investigate dozens of examples of promotional government cheques that Tory MPs used to tout stimulus spending for partisan gain.

Via Jean Chretien.net archives;

OTTAWA; QUEBEC CITY - Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister, yesterday said his government had nothing to apologize for in seeking to reap maximum partisan political benefit from disbursing $1-billion worth of federal job grants across Canada each year.

He had always made sure since taking power in October, 1993, that voters were left in no doubt that it was his Liberals who were distributing such grants, he said.

"Listen," he added, "we are the government ... I don't see why we can't try to get credit for what we do. I hope we do so. There is nothing to be ashamed in that."

Great sleuthing, courtesy of Manny

Posted by Kate at October 15, 2009 2:40 PM
Comments

Only Chretien can be a cheat and a liar!

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at October 15, 2009 2:53 PM

That is how I remember it - Crouton filling the trough in his and other Lib ridings and constantly rolling out the "I will not apologize" line.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at October 15, 2009 2:54 PM

Maybe, but as a CPC member, I object to use of government funds to promote partisan objectives.

I know that 75% of federal revenue comes from us, and that 75% of recipients are non-taxpayers.

That's just Conservative socialism at work

Posted by: jlc at October 15, 2009 2:56 PM

But Iffy and the Lieberals do not want to be reminded by facts. It is only wrong if the Cons do this.

Excellent find though and I am going to use this if questioned,

THANKS Manny !!!!!

Posted by: Clown Party at October 15, 2009 2:57 PM

What's a few million missing tax payer dollars ear or dare!

Posted by: h.ryan at October 15, 2009 2:57 PM

Harper is seriously at risk of losing his base. Will the wild rose alliance go federal?

Posted by: allan at October 15, 2009 3:05 PM

What the Liberals are objecting to here is the use of large ceremonial cheques.

The correct Librano protocol is to issue small(physically) discreet cheques and then consummate the transaction by passing nondescript brown bags full of cash back to the sponsoring Librano.

This really is painful for them to watch.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 3:05 PM

Will that finally make Raphael Alexander shut up? Probably not.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 3:08 PM

"an obscure ethnic restaurant critic"

Bahahahaha, it never gets old!

Posted by: allan at October 15, 2009 3:19 PM

But, but, but - the LIBERALS did it too!!!!

Librano or Con, the party slugs need their payoffs. Funny how partisans don't address the grease and unethical conduct of their own.

When you've drank that much koolaid, I suppose all hope is lost.

Librano or Con - they're both out to screw the taxpayers - and benefit from the treasury.

Gomery recommendations anyone?

Posted by: hardboiled at October 15, 2009 3:34 PM

"That's just Conservative socialism at work"

You just made my head explode.

Posted by: pongo at October 15, 2009 3:34 PM

"Harper is seriously at risk of losing his base. Will the wild rose alliance go federal?"

Maybe, if that party ever wins more than one seat in an election that will not be held for a few years.

Posted by: Jim at October 15, 2009 3:36 PM

Kate,

Setting the bar of ethics at Jean Chretien is pretty low.

You've shown Warren Kinsella to be Liberal with the "truth", but the moral relativism is pretty weak. Emulating the Libs pushes the CPC down the same path of patronage that we hated Chretien for.

Posted by: Jon at October 15, 2009 3:41 PM

It appears that the Liberals are going on the assumption that the receipients of the cheques do not realize that it is a Conservative government currently in power. Apparently the Liberals are of the opinion that ordinary people are extraordinarily ignorant and must be reminded that the Conservatives won the last election.

This is typical Liberal thinking as they look down their noses at ordinary Canadians .... pardon the Laytonesque phrase. Reminds me of the infamous "beer and popcorn" comment.

That being said ... such subtle attempts at partisan gain should be condemned .... better to simply hand out bags of cash the Liberal way.

Posted by: biffjr. at October 15, 2009 3:43 PM

I do agree that it's wrong to use partisan logos on cheques issued on taxpayers' funds. But the liberals are the last ones who should be pointing fingers. Good find Manny.

Posted by: DrD at October 15, 2009 3:43 PM

Interesting comments. Just where did you see me defending the CPC?

Posted by: Kate at October 15, 2009 3:43 PM

"they ALL do it"

Posted by: curious_george at October 15, 2009 3:47 PM

And they all do it because it works.

Who's to blame for that, again?

Posted by: Kate at October 15, 2009 3:54 PM

Sorry, it was wrong then and it's wrong now. Not that the Libranos have any room to complain having basically if not invented, perfected the practice. Mr. Harper, please don't do it because they did. That won't fly.

Posted by: Thomas_L..... at October 15, 2009 3:59 PM

Harper is coming around to the liberal way of thinking more and more. One has to wonder how his hard core back benchers are taking this, but at least he is thinking in more liberal terms. We'll have to keep educating him.

Posted by: T at October 15, 2009 3:59 PM

We'll have to keep educating him.(Harper)
~T

I think you have your hands full digging your own party out of the stupid-hole they keep frantically digging.

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 4:03 PM

The hypocrisy of the restaurant critic crying foul over this pork barreling is breathtaking.

As a small c-conservative do I like this crap...Hell No!

On the other hand who was screaming blue bloody murder about getting the "stimulus" package out there?

Who wailed that the stimulus package was not nearly enough to to save us from economic meltdown?

Who put our dollars in their pockets when they had the chance?

While this is partisan showboating does it meet the standard set during Adscam?

How much of this pork grease has landed in the coffers of the CPC?

Note to obscure restaurant critics: While we may be dining on partisan pork we do have the couth not to dash with the cash.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 4:08 PM

It's good to point out the double standard, but I'm pretty displeased at the Tory's behaviour in this regard. The novelty cheques used at these presentation ceremonies should bear the logo of the Government of Canada. Perhaps, in addition to that, the governing party -might- be justified in adding their party logo, in a subordinate fashion.

But, to just include the Tory logo on a cheque drawn from government proceeds, a government program, is bad optics. Very bad optics.

IMO.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at October 15, 2009 4:09 PM

I don't like it either and they had better, as promised, put a stop to it.

There is one positive though. At least we have a photographic record of what money is going where and why it's being spent. From an accounting perspective, it beats napkins, fake invoices and brown paper bags any day.

Posted by: Jan at October 15, 2009 4:13 PM

Want to see liberal heads really explode?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOt2Qp0H9G8

Watch PMSH playing with the National Arts Centre Orchestra and cellist Yo Yo Ma at a recent fundraiser.

Just read some of the comments at Youtube. Many heads have already exploded leaving a huge LIEberal mess.

Posted by: Doug at October 15, 2009 4:16 PM

Someone on the government payroll needs to be given a smack on the head. It seems to be very common these days that the leaders and legislators are being fed duff advice from those well paid advisors, be it PMO's office or other departments. "Because all the other kids do it..." wasn't an excuse when I was a kid and should not be one now. The Tories have watched the lieberals arrogantly screw up for too long to follow suit.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at October 15, 2009 4:19 PM

When it comes to using any Money. ALL politicians seem to think tax payers should pay for it.
This kind of stuff has to stop, they are not kings.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at October 15, 2009 4:26 PM

Texas Canuck

I agree wholeheartedly. Cut this crap out! That said, the image of Kinsella as some sort of righteous whistle blower makes me want to puke.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 4:28 PM

I didn't like it when the Lieberals did it and I don't like it any better now.

"Harper is seriously at risk of losing his base" No kidding?

Ekos Poll released today; Cons 40.7% - Libs 25.5%

Keep those losses coming!!!

Posted by: a different bob at October 15, 2009 4:39 PM

Kate you must remember though that when Chretian did the same thing that was different,why? Well just because they are liberals thats why. And of course they are the Natural Governing Party of Canada & because of that they are Entitled to anything they want.
When Liberals accuse Conservatives of something. It's the Old Thats like calling the kettle black.
Liberals are natural Hypocrites the whole damm bunch of them.
do as i say not as i do

Posted by: bryanr at October 15, 2009 4:53 PM

How much of those millions give out by liberals ended up in conservative, ndp or bloc ridings.

Posted by: MaryT at October 15, 2009 4:53 PM

Mary:
should we ask instead, how many of those Millions actualy ended up in Any Riding? Or did they end up in the Liberal Coffers?

Posted by: bryanr at October 15, 2009 4:57 PM

It does not matter if Cretin did it.

Cretin was scum. Most liberals are scum. Most politicians are scum, regardless of political stripe. The public is deeply cynical about them, regardless of which party they belong to.

We (the CPC, PM Harper, whatever) have to be better. That's how we get confidence from the public. That's how we get a bulletproof majority and a long term mandate.

Seriously, instead of excusing the inexcusable by saying other people did it too, the CPC needs to quickly get on top of it, apologize for doing something wrong (it would show some humility,which I think people would appreciate without punishing the party), and remind the CPC that we are supposed to be better than the Liberals.

And PM Harper needs to read his caucus the riot act about making sure that not only they honour the rules, but the spirit of the rules.

This is the time to demonstrate worthiness to govern as a majority - when the opposition is weak. We won't have an incompetent neophyte leading the Liberals forever.

Seriously.

Posted by: old Lori at October 15, 2009 5:00 PM

Ah, the old douche v. arse defense! Nothing inspires more confidence in leadership than "the other guy did it first". Possibly "the other guy is even worse", but they are #1 and #2 for sure.

Posted by: Kevin Lafayette at October 15, 2009 5:01 PM

Jean Chretien:

Speaking out of both sides of his mouth but only using one side of his mouth. That's politics.

Posted by: KevinB at October 15, 2009 5:03 PM

old lori
Your right on there,very well stated & Point well taken.

Posted by: bryanr at October 15, 2009 5:04 PM

There certainly is a double standard, but that is because we don't expect any better from the Liberals. Just because they do it doesn't mean that the Cons should. I get really pissed every time I see one of those "economic action plan" ads on tv. They are party ads being disguised as government ads. Our side should be better than that.

Posted by: minuteman at October 15, 2009 5:07 PM

Yeah the evil conservatives giving grants to those who can use them, in plain sight, as opposed to the righteous Cretin Liberals simply stole the money behind closed doors.

Posted by: Sounder at October 15, 2009 5:07 PM

Old Lori and Sounder make valid points. Listen up and take heed at CPC HQ.

This crap won't fly for long.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 5:11 PM

It really is a kind of delicious irony, the Keystone Koalition Koup basically demanded the pork barrel stimulus package and are then sniffing that it didn't all go to LIEberal, NDP or Bloquistas ridings.

Of course the government of Canada logo should have been on the celebraTORY props, in the course of handing out the money.

Kinsella, the Gomery Commission darling, is hardly the genius who should be finger wagging the Conservatives to be a little more discrete with the partisan logo. WK thy name is hypocrisy.

Of course there is a big difference between handing out authorized money via the stimulus package (Conservatives) versus simply stealing the money (LIEberals).


Cheers


Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at October 15, 2009 5:13 PM

The Liberals are just mad as hell that someone else is getting a chance to run the show.

Every second of every minute of every hour of every day that the "Natural Governing Party" is out of office, its members seethe and grind their teeth down in fear, envy and loathing.

Posted by: JJM at October 15, 2009 5:16 PM

There should be a logo for the Canadian Taxpayer. Then the check could read 'from the CT'
Distributed by the Government of Canada
Managed by the CPC

That might be too much, but reminding people that this money comes from the Canadian Taxpayer might help keep things in perspective.

Posted by: Wayne at October 15, 2009 5:26 PM

I just think its fun watching Catman turn himself into a pretzel, trying to make the Liberals look moral and reasonable. Talk about lipstick on a pig.

Posted by: The Phantom at October 15, 2009 5:41 PM

If the CP MPs were smart they would have had the logos of all of the parties that voted for the stimulus on the cheque. Think of the positive PR that would have garnered. Or better yet have "the taxpayer" as the payor.

As it is, two wrongs do not make a right and the guilty MPs and anyone in the PMO who was involved should be reprimanded for it. It is taxpayer - not party funds - it is the taxpayer who should be getting the credit.

Posted by: Gord Tulk at October 15, 2009 5:42 PM

I'm wif old lori.

PMSH has to put the breaks on this sort of stuff hard. I loath cronyism implied or otherwise regardless of the party.

Posted by: Agent Smith at October 15, 2009 5:45 PM

O/T but Is it possible for a restaurant critic to overdose on MSG?

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 6:07 PM

"Harper is seriously at risk of losing his base."

A base of narrow-minded ideologically-challenged reformers? How did things go under Presto in the Reform heyday?

The more that Harper broadens the Conservative tent, the longer those Liberals spend in opposition, rebuilding. I'm very satisfied with that situation.

Posted by: Wild Thaing at October 15, 2009 6:15 PM

I don't know what Mr.Chretien would do but the phrase "If it's shiney it's gone!" comes to mind for the Liberals as a whole. The Conservative logo on the cheque was a F-up.

Posted by: wuberman at October 15, 2009 6:21 PM

So what's the point? That the Tories have become the same shameless pimps the Libranos were? Great progress. If I wanted displays of Librano largess I would have voted for them.

Posted by: Jim at October 15, 2009 6:22 PM

Don't forget golf balls!

The MSMers are as usual full of sh!t abou the issue...

In any case this is something the Harper MPs should NOT be doing .... It pissed me off when the LIbranos were doing it and it pissed me off NOW.

That is MY money they are splashing around not theirs.

Posted by: OMMAG at October 15, 2009 6:31 PM

'I just think its fun watching Catman turn himself into a pretzel, trying to make the Liberals look moral and reasonable. Talk about lipstick on a pig'.

Me too, Phantom! Good work Manny, there was so much corruption during the dark liberano daze that we just have to google for fodder when the msm go a spinnin' for their old masters.

Posted by: Jema54 at October 15, 2009 7:18 PM

And a useful reminder comes from Spector

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/spector-vision/hypocrisy-101/article1324479/

"Having served as president of the Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency under the Liberals, I can confirm the observation of these observers. Indeed, facing pressure by ministers David Dingwall (now retired) and Lawrence MacAulay (still serving) to approve projects in Atlantic Canada, I resigned from the public service of Canada."

"That point came home to me yesterday, watching MP Dominic Leblanc jousting about pork with Jason Kenney on CTV’s Power Play. For, as an aide in Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s office in the mid-1990s, Dominic Leblanc was one of those pressuring us to approve projects that our professional staff viewed as dubious, at best."

Posted by: Stephen at October 15, 2009 7:27 PM

Looks like its kick a restaraunt critic today.

Check out Bourque....quote


"Kicking Ass in Canadian Politics, Indeed" just above the poll results and the link goes to picture of the critic.

I guess its because he is merely a volunteer only

Posted by: Stephen at October 15, 2009 7:30 PM

I really am enjoying this liberal whine. The liberals demanded that the Conservatives spend stimulus money. The Conservatives spend the money demanded except they put the Conservative logo on the ceremonial cheques. What did the liberals expect, the liberal logo on the cheque?

Posted by: Joe at October 15, 2009 7:51 PM

Stephen

Thanks for that....Good pic of the Dark Lord but I do feel bad for the border collie...No dog should have to live with someone that untrainable.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 8:09 PM

Noble Indians blight/savage our environment.

Where is the rageout from Lizard MayGreen, Liberals BoobMaoStlong's nephew, and Mr.GreenIffy?

Where is the outrage from Liberal Ad$Cam Martin? At Kelowna* still counting out $5 billion to Chief Fontaine?

Contest: What will the messages say?

Will there be a Liberal Red Maple Leaf emblazoned/winking/nudgenudgeVoteRed on each sign?

BTW, where is Branch Davindian?
...-

"First Nation approves controversial TV-like billboards for scenic B.C. locals

VANCOUVER, B.C. — A controversial business move by a Vancouver-area First Nation has put it at odds with residents who say they've become unlikely defenders of the environment against the aboriginal group.

Squamish First Nations chiefs and councillors gave final approval Thursday to erect six TV-like electronic billboards, each the size of a city bus, on its property in some of the most scenic areas of British Columbia.

Depending on whose opinion you listen to, the billboards are either a traffic hazard and a blight on B.C. scenery or a financial fix for a struggling First Nation.

The three metre by nine metre LED or light-emitting diode screens will be operating in time for Christmas and the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Games."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jYohHhUwMyykbD8ax5fyf1e_y66g

(*I know nuttink.)

Posted by: maz2 at October 15, 2009 8:20 PM

That's what I figured too. The government is Conservative and they're the ones doing the doling out, so what other stationery would they be using? Logos should be the least of anyone's concern. The fact is that stimulus monies are being distributed and the mandate has been kept responsibly, which is far superior to anything the Libs would've come up with. Their funds would be nothing more that funneled paybacks and laundered sponsorships.

Posted by: Tripper523 at October 15, 2009 8:24 PM

So Princess Fluffy Bunny and his sticky fingered friends are reduced to complaining about props.
They make Dion look like Wilfred Laurier but with better hair.

Posted by: ddt at October 15, 2009 8:31 PM

Princess Fluffy Bunny is trying to stay out of the rain.......it frizzes her hair and brings on thinking spasms.

Syncro

Posted by: syncrodox at October 15, 2009 8:45 PM

Liberal ally, MSM, has basically deleted/erased "Liberal" from its lexicon.

No mention/use of the word "Liberal" here*; nor here**; nor here***; >>>>
...-

*"Ont. to reveal next Thursday if deficit has grown beyond $18 billion

TORONTO — Ontario taxpayers will find out next week just how hard the recession has hit the province's economy.

Finance Minister Dwight Duncan will deliver his fall economic update next Thursday, and unlike last fall, the government says this one will not be a mini-budget.

Instead, Duncan will reveal the size of the provincial deficit, last estimated to be $18 billion, and will detail the impact that an unprecedented drop in government revenues has had on the books."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iFAJDkgPPgj5IGOysKaQ-C2_jePg
...-

**"Not Certain Health Records Will be Online in 2015: Premier" (cfra.com)
...-

***"Avoid the HST, book your funeral now"
urlm.in/dfvf

Posted by: maz2 at October 15, 2009 8:51 PM

I don't care who's logo is on the cheque. I just want one with my name name on it.

Posted by: Arty at October 15, 2009 9:34 PM

John Aunty-American Ibbitson puts Bam to bed until "the snow melts(John believes in Global Cooling).

>>> Here is the charge/sentence: youse conservativeConservatives are guilty of "excessive partisanship".

Here is the rebuttal, John:

Sclew Mao Stlong and his nephew, Boob Lae; and, JeanculaSidewinder, and IffyWhoLizard?, and Hez >
...-

"Polls put Harper on the podium"

(Ibbitson means to say: the bully pulpit.)

"These days, the government itself is its own worst enemy. This week's kerfuffle over Tory MPs dressing up mock government cheques with their signatures, or even the party logo in place of the Government of Canada logo, highlights the Conservatives' vulnerability to charges of excessive partisanship."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/polls-put-harper-on-the-podium/article1325485/
...-

Meanwhile, Mao'O's cadre Anita does not sclew Mao.

"Beck Strikes Back: Uncovers Video of Obama Communications Director Claiming Mao One of Her ‘Favorite Political Philosophers'"
urlm.in/dfvh

Posted by: maz2 at October 15, 2009 9:57 PM

The MSM in this disoriented country still cannot follow the slime trail to slimey "W"s doorstep regarding these life threatening scandals. What does it say about these so called reporters when they cannot recognize this piece of doggie doo for what he is. This "shit for brains loser continues to get the "Canadian Media" into a Tizzy May about diddly, glad I have a meaningful job, like I tell my kids, better to be a street whore than a journalist.

Posted by: bartinsky at October 15, 2009 10:08 PM

Liberal MP's were all over the place for photo-ops whenever money was being given out. If now their only complaint is based on the signage used by Conservatives (looked like a cheque), it's a pretty petty issue. Liberals know better than anybody how this stuff works.

Posted by: LindaL at October 15, 2009 10:42 PM

This issue seems to have hit a nerve with some people, but quite frankly I think it is totally legitimate to brag about programs. All programs have some sort of ad budget. When it is a matter of money being doled out EVERYONE knows it's taxpayers money. It always is . . . but the specifics (how much and where money gets spent) is a Conservative (in this case) decision. The Infrastructure program comes from the Conservative budget. I believe Liberals were resisting contributing -- so taking credit (as Chretien says) is legitimate (even though I hate to agree with him.)

Posted by: LindaL at October 15, 2009 10:54 PM

"Corrupt chien" was/ is a cu*t!

What is past is past, we all know the sad, incredibly corrupt legacy left behind. It will remain in Canadian's minds for a long, long time

The GOOD news is Canada has a bright future!!!

Posted by: eastern paul at October 16, 2009 3:01 AM

Just because Chretien was a liar and cheat, doesn't mean it is legit for Harper to be one too.

Failing grade on this, CPC!

Posted by: Johan i Kanada at October 16, 2009 8:41 AM


I have no issues with the Economic Action plan and how it is being rolled out.

The Liberal approach in my mind has allways been big government programs to socially engineer their agenda.

The PM held his nose and created the economic action plan to create stimulus which does not lead to structural debt (ie - once the project is complete, no more spending).

Is what you Liberals are objecting to is that the government is being transparent (complete with photo op) on how they are spending the stuimulus money?

Posted by: Beer and Popcorn at October 16, 2009 9:04 AM

If I were a conservative I wouldn't want to put my logo on money that puts the country into debt. They get more than enough taxes - the stupid government is too big and has too many programs. Slash spending, dolts. I'm disgusted at the "stimulous" cash in the first place. I know that the opposition forced SH into it but what the hell! You gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

Posted by: Laura at October 16, 2009 11:00 AM

election fixing in la Belle Province. who would have thunk it.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/10/16/quebec-alleged-collusion-boisbriand.html

Posted by: cal2 at October 16, 2009 12:10 PM

Seems to me that you work for the gument Laura. How about slashing your job and you from the gument pork roll - we have way too many gument work a dees in this country, IMO. Independant contractors do a better job because they try to do a better job.

Posted by: Jema54 at October 16, 2009 11:52 PM
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