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October 14, 2009

An Hour With Lord Christopher Monckton

Former science adviser to Margaret Thatcher and critic of global warming theories (on Youtube).

Posted by Kate at October 14, 2009 10:27 AM
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I saw him speak in Calgary -- excellent, lots of facts and references. And via Drudge:
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE59D2UK20091014
No hurricanes to speak of this year. Oh dear, however is a climate alarmist to make a living?

Posted by: DrD at October 14, 2009 11:01 AM

Moncton was one of the initial members of the IPCC until he got the same treatment as our Polar Bear guy......

Posted by: sasquatch at October 14, 2009 11:17 AM

Was he the one on NTR that mentioned the NWO agreement to turn over the countries constitutions to a World government and laws? I am surprised how that does not seem very important to a lot of people and the MSM.

Posted by: Question at October 14, 2009 11:28 AM

I've got his DVD which rebuts the Inconvenient Lies of Gore. Very well done, easy to understand, great video to show the kids.

Posted by: grok at October 14, 2009 12:05 PM

To SASQUATCH: No, he wasn't a member of the IPCC. He has attacked them, but not been a member ever.
Moncton has no scientific credentials whatever. He has a degree in "Classics" (eg. Greek literature,) and a diploma in journalism.
As to the Headline on the blog: "Former science adviser to Thatcher". Actually, he was a POLICY advisor for Thatcher's gov't., NOT a science advisor. He says he is a Member of the House of Lords. He is not.
To Dr. D: His "facts" and "references" are easily shown to be misrepresentations, errors, and comparing apples to oranges by anyone who knows science at all. He is paid by big Oil interests & also by U.S. coal interests for his speaking tours. His science is "junk" science of the highest order.

Posted by: Hibou at October 14, 2009 12:11 PM

Hibou, I assume you have the evidence that he is paid by "Big Oil" whatever the h$#@ that is. His references are available for all. Look them up. Al Gore and the other enviro loons make their money out of Big Scare. Yet I doubt you've ever taken the time to question or fact check any of their dogmas.
So my question to you is, of the IPCC scientific reports which you've read, which did you find so convincing and why?
And by the way, since I'm thoroughly familiar with science, you should be able to very easily show me the misrepresentations and errors of Monckton.

Posted by: DrD at October 14, 2009 12:30 PM

Hibou, please cite examples of the misrepresentations, why they are such, and sources backing your claim. I'm not being argumentative, but your post offers nothing but rhetoric. If you want to convince anybody, you really ought to be providing supporting evidence.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at October 14, 2009 2:19 PM

I watched him on Coren's show last night. We need more people like Monckton speaking out about the whole climate scam.

Hibou let me guess, you've been on wikpedia right?

Posted by: Terry Anderson at October 14, 2009 2:59 PM

grok 12:05, where did you get the DVD?

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at October 14, 2009 3:01 PM

Watched it. Blown away by it.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at October 14, 2009 3:23 PM

His presentation is engaging. He had me right until he started ranting about how DDT is a perfectly harmless miracle pesticide that was maliciously pulled because of the political left.

While I'm a AGW skeptic myself, it doesn't say much for his scientific rigor if he can ignore science just to try & score political points. (My problem with "green" politicians)

Posted by: Adune at October 14, 2009 3:30 PM

Hibou makes ad hominum attacks with no reference--typical enviro-lefty----drowning Polar Bears (snort).
Actually DDT was/is a miracle chemical.
WHO and FDA did much research...involving feeding DDT to laying hens for a two year period and feeding DDT to volunteer convicts for a two year period. No ill effects were detected--including sheel strength.
Both WHO and the FDA were new agencies and needed to justify their existance and banned DDT with on no scientific basis. An estimated 50 million Africans--mostly children---died of malaria as a result. Finally two years back, WHO rescinded the ban....to end the death toll.
The Greenies still refer to DDT as dangerous and banned----they tell the truth---give or take a lie or two.

Posted by: sasquatch at October 14, 2009 3:48 PM

For one's edification:

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at October 14, 2009 4:04 PM

Anybody know how to get the audio into an Ipod?

Posted by: randall g at October 14, 2009 4:40 PM

It would appear that Monckton is not a member of the upper house and the WHO fought not against DDT but for its continued use.
Links to some pretty reasonable sources verifying such statements can be found in the body of the link.
The Calgary Herald on 1st October records him as a policy adviser to Thatcher.
It would appear that Hibou is certainly correct about certain of their statements, and some others are inventing stuff especially with reference to DDT.

Posted by: harebell at October 14, 2009 4:52 PM

Randall,

Try vixy.net - if you give it the URL it'll give you the audio in mp3 format.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at October 14, 2009 6:16 PM

speaking of things British, for all you Elizabeth Windsor fans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbyZjU5gHVQ

Posted by: curious_george at October 14, 2009 6:51 PM

well I dont see any monckton listed here:

http://www.parliament.uk/mpslordsandoffices/mps_and_lords/alphabetical_list_of_members.cfm

and this is NOT, repeat for emphasis, NOT wikipedia.

so is this monckton bloke a lord or a liar?

Posted by: curious_george at October 14, 2009 7:11 PM

Lord:
Chiefly British. The general masculine title of nobility and other rank:
a. Used as a form of address for a marquis, an earl, or a viscount.

Free Online dictionary

Marianna Laetitia Bower is (2003)the daughter of Commander Robert Tatton Bower. She married Gilbert Walter Riversdale Monckton, 2nd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, son of Walter Monckton, 1st Viscount Monckton of Brenchley and Mary Adelaide Somes Colyer-Fergusson, on 30 December 1950.
Her married name became Monckton.
Children of Marianna Laetitia Bower and Gilbert Walter Riversdale Monckton, 2nd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley

* Christopher Walter Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley b. 14 Feb 1952


http://thepeerage.com/p8126.htm#i81260

Posted by: johnlee at October 14, 2009 7:40 PM

And yet the putz never sat as a Lord...

From Wikipedia...

Monckton presents himself as a member of the House of Lords, but is not a member of that body. Monckton was an unsuccessful candidate for a Conservative seat in the House of Lords in a March 2007 by-election caused by the death of Lord Mowbray and Stourton. He received no votes in the election.

Bit of a credibility problem there. But the Cons (especially Delisle's favorite Stenciler here) like him.

Posted by: solenadon at October 14, 2009 8:11 PM

solenadon, first off, I'd caution against using Wikipedia (hereafter referred to as wiki) as a reliable source of any information, especially for individuals who are skeptical of the current AGW dogma. That said, I reviewed the link to wiki you courteously provided, and must say that I think this entire "Lord" issue is a huge red herring.

You, others on this blog, and the wiki article itself, assert that Monckton falsely holds himself out to be a member of the British House of Lords. I went so far as to review the two sources provided by wiki in support of this claim. Neither source supports this claim. At all.

Yes, he refers to himself as Lord Monckton in the two documents cited. However, in the very same article, it states that Monckton was the hereditary recipient of his father's peerage, that of a viscount, upon his father's passing. Some cursory searching on the internet demonstrates that it is established etiquette for viscounts to be addressed as "Lord" (source debretts dot com). It has nothing to do whether they sit, or have sat, in the actual House of Lords. (For what it's worth, up until 1999, not ancient history, any holder of a peerage was entitled to sit in the House of Lords, but Monckton inherited his peerage after that year).

So, no, I don't see any credibility problem. I simply see an attempt to discredit the man, not his arguments. Now, I've spent far too much time on this particular diversion. I'm still waiting for some examples of his alleged misrepresentations, with sources to substantiate how and why they are such.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at October 14, 2009 10:01 PM

Let`s review: From the left: Monckton is not a member of the House of Lords. WHO supports the use of DDT. Refutation of Monckton`s arguments - nothing.

Posted by: ddt at October 14, 2009 10:09 PM

WHO and the FDA banned DDT.
WHO withdrew the ban due to pressure relating to the millions of malaria deaths in Africa and the tropics generally. This flip-flop is not widely advertised---it is an inconvenient truth.
Much like the propaganda that the IPCC represents 2500 "scientists" when in reality most delegates are sociaologists, geographers, and communication hacks. The minority of climate scientists prepare the chapters and these other fools edit them.
Moncton is among other things an economist.
The standard lefty ploy is to engage in personal attacks on individuals rather than deal with issues.
Sort of like the obscene meaningless attacks upon Sarah Palin. What bearing does the opinions/morals of her daughters boy friend have upon her announced policies???? Absolutely nothing.
The simple fact that Suzuki's primary residence is a sprawling glass walled energy source....or the matter that it is just one of his 3 residences....is largely irrelevant.
It is also irrelevant how big Al Gores electricity bill is or the he recently purchased a $4,000,000 condo on fishermans Wharf in San Francisco close to the ocean which he claims will soon flood half the world.
What is relevant are the bed-wetter claims that naturally subsiding Pacific islands are being flooded by non-existant sea-level rise.

Posted by: sasquatch at October 15, 2009 12:38 AM

Thank-you for this link Kate. Another sensible, intelligent Brit who is on the side of people.

hareball and Hibou and other bed-wetters (I love that personification!) who are firing blanks at the fine posters here at sda and Lord Monckton; you are way over your depth here - this is not Canadian msm. Run, tell the fruit-fly what you heard.

Posted by: Jema54 at October 15, 2009 2:25 AM

Thank-you for this link Kate. Another sensible, intelligent Brit who is on the side of people.

hareball and Hibou and other bed-wetters (I love that personification!) who are firing blanks at the fine posters here at sda and Lord Monckton; you are way over your depth here - this is not Canadian msm. Run, tell the fruit-fly what you heard.

Posted by: Jema54 at October 15, 2009 2:49 AM

Saw him on Michael Coren and he was great. I only hope that the global warming scare subsides soon so that all those billions won't be spent,...oops,..too late. What a waste. Amazing presentation by this man.

Posted by: Jack Plant at October 15, 2009 9:39 AM

"Moncton has no scientific credentials whatever."

...as opposed to the unimpeachable scientific credentials of Al Gore?

Posted by: Edward Teach at October 15, 2009 10:09 AM

Sasquatch said:

WHO and FDA did much research...involving feeding DDT to laying hens for a two year period and feeding DDT to volunteer convicts for a two year period. No ill effects were detected--including sheel strength.
Both WHO and the FDA were new agencies and needed to justify their existance and banned DDT with on no scientific basis. An estimated 50 million Africans--mostly children---died of malaria as a result. Finally two years back, WHO rescinded the ban....to end the death toll.
The Greenies still refer to DDT as dangerous and banned----they tell the truth---give or take a lie or two.

Research on DDT was done by universities and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, beginning in 1945.

The study feeding DDT to laying hens demonstrated that DDT thins the shells of eggs. Studies with wild birds showed that DDT kills the embryoes in the eggs, or makes the chicks too ill to survive.
See the explanation here:
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/100-things-about-ddt-dissecting-10/#more-1238

WHO was founded in the early 1950s. It had no reason to "prove itself." FDA has existed since the Safe Food and Drug Act of 1938. FDA did not ban DDT -- DDT as a pesticide is not in FDA's jurisdiction. FDA is responsible for keeping food clean of DDT, but nothing else. EPA has responsibility for pesticide regulation, having inherited that duty, and the agency personnel from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

EPA had more than 10,000 pages of hearings on the dangers of DDT, plus two court orders from civil trials that determined DDT was a noxious and hazardous substance. Under U.S. law, an agency may not act imperially -- had there been no scientific basis, any challenge to the regulation would have stopped it. However, with so much evidence against DDT, in both federal suits brought by the DDT manufacturers, the courts granted summary judgment for EPA's ruling -- meaning that, on the basis of the evidence, even if all the procedural stuff were stacked against EPA's decision, EPA still won on the merits of the case. The manufacturers lost so badly they didn't even bother to appeal.

DDT was never banned in Africa -- it's still widely available from manufacture in India and China. Any African nation can use DDT to fight malaria any time it chooses.

However, DDT stopped being so effective against mosquitoes in the mid-1960s. African nations don't use it because there are better alternatives.

No death due to malaria can fairly be attributed to a lack of DDT.

Posted by: Ed Darrell at October 15, 2009 11:04 PM
WHO and the FDA banned DDT.

WHO lacks any authority to "ban" a pesticide. Nations do that -- the UN lacks power.

FDA has no authority over the use of DDT as a pesticde.

Please stick to the facts.

Posted by: Ed Darrell at October 15, 2009 11:18 PM

Is there any possibility Monckton would tell the truth? See notes on his accuracy here:
http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/10/monckton_blames_jackie_kennedy.php

Posted by: Ed Darrell at October 15, 2009 11:22 PM

I saw a couple of questions asking where the DVD of Monckton is available but I never saw a response to the question.

Where can I get the DVD?

Thanks

Posted by: Rico at October 16, 2009 11:42 AM

Found it for those of you who might be interested...

http://www.greatswindle.com/

Posted by: Rico at October 16, 2009 12:02 PM
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