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October 13, 2009

The Unknown War

Matt Welch;

On August 23, 1989, officials from the newly reformed and soon-to-be-renamed Communist Party of Hungary ceased policing the country’s militarized border with Austria. Some 13,000 East Germans, many of whom had been vacationing at nearby Lake Balaton, fled across the frontier to the free world. It was the largest breach of the Iron Curtain in a generation, and it kicked off a remarkable chain of events that ended 11 weeks later with the righteous citizen dismantling of the Berlin Wall.

h/t pacemakerdoug

Posted by Kate at October 13, 2009 8:17 PM
Comments

This is absolutely excellent. So excellent I posted it on my blog and then like an idiot sent Kate a copy as if it was my idea. Doh!

Posted by: The Phantom at October 14, 2009 9:02 AM

40 comments on the light bulbs and 1 comment on the fall of communism. Speaks volumes of what you are worried more about.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 9:23 AM

I couldn't agree more.
I recall that period....it was gratifying that the struggle (which seemed to have no end) which had dominated my entire life was resolving in such a satifying manner.
Now this ongoing collectivisation of the US is just as troubling to me as 911.
I am expecting it to be rolled back....hopefully by a velvet revolution....but have my reservations.
These lefties are really loath to relinquish power and tend to have no qualms to exerting force to maintain it. The saving factor is that this administration has alienated every security function from the military, police to the CIA.
OBAMA may throw a counter-revolution and the only ones to attend will be the tea-partiers....while the security forces sit on their hands.

Posted by: sasquatch at October 14, 2009 9:35 AM

> OBAMA may throw a counter-revolution and the only ones to attend will be the tea-partiers....while the security forces sit on their hands.

I would not be so sure. There are individuals in those forces who will arrest people for owing $2 in taxes or issue tickets for walking in the park and smoking in own truck. There will be enough willing radicals already on the job and lots willing radicals readily available for recruitment among the illegals etc on ACORN speed dial.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 10:14 AM

40 comments on the light bulbs and 1 comment on the fall of communism.
~Aaron

Fall of communism?
When did this happen?

Somebody should tell Red China, Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Russia, etc.

The "fall" of Communism has been greatly exaggerated as well as being entirely premature.
Many in the west live in a state of denial and a false sense of security based on this "fall of communism" meme.

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 10:37 AM

> The "fall" of Communism has been greatly exaggerated

Listen, who's talking!
Communism in Russia is over.

Глядите-ка кто говорит!
С коммунизмом в России покончено.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 11:14 AM

Never thought that this would be so ignored 20 years on...had such hope, cheering this on as it unfolded on TV, ( as an about to be new mother to a daughter. )

It's like they are treating real individual freedoms as a passing fashion.


Posted by: ldd at October 14, 2009 11:43 AM

When they bury Lenin's body I'll believe that "Communism is over in Russia".

Since 1991, there has been some discussion about removing the Kremlin Wall Necropolis and burying Lenin's body. President Boris Yeltsin, with the support of the Russian Orthodox Church, intended to close the tomb and bury Lenin next to his mother, Maria Alexandrovna Ulyanova, at the Volkov Cemetery in Saint Petersburg; however, the former Russian President, Vladimir Putin, opposes all such measures, pointing out that a reburial of Lenin would imply that generations of citizens had observed false values during 70 years of Soviet rule.

I could show you dozens of links proving the Cold War never ended, that the "Soviet Union" really was just Russia all along, that the Politburo lasted as long as Russia needed it to and not a day longer, but really, it's hard to get past the idea that Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul II won the Cold War when so many people have so much invested in that fantasy.

Глядите-ка кто говорит!
С коммунизмом в России покончено.

Says who?


Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 11:49 AM

The USA has elected a red diaper baby. There'll be no celebrating its demise. Communism? The names of have changed but the party lives on.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at October 14, 2009 12:00 PM

Great Vitruvius, if you are listening;

Request for November 9ths' LNR:

"Right Here, Right Now" by Jesus Jones (although it probably has been overdone with Ford's commercial this last month).

Posted by: jwkozak91 at October 14, 2009 12:14 PM

> When they bury Lenin's body I'll believe that "Communism is over in Russia".

Tunnel vision, Oz. The Corpse is now a manifestation of capitalism, a cash cow for Moscow municipal government.

> Says who?

говорят:
Владимир Усов 1954-1991
Илья Кричевский 1963-1991
Дмитрий Комарь 1968-1991

Communist party operation in Russia was suspended by president Yeltsin in 1991 and ever since then it's a fringe group of lunatics with no influence whatsoever.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 12:46 PM

"[A] fringe group of lunatics" that still commands 30% of the vote and can have a NEW statue of Stalin erected in a Siberian city.

Posted by: jwkozak91 at October 14, 2009 1:22 PM

Aaron, Vladimir Putin, a former KGB Colonel, a man of influence, is an reconstructed Bolshevik from a long line of very loyal orthodox Bolsheviks.
Putin is running Russian foreign policy in a manner which is identical to the way it has been run since the October Revolution.

Russia's clients; Iran, India, Cuba, Hizb'allah, North Korea, etc. are the same today as they were in 1990.

Putting Russia aside, let's talk about Communism in general.
As I said earlier, Cuba, China, Venezuela, Vietnam, and the existence of a host of other communist nations indicate that Communism did not, in reality, "fall".

говорят:
Владимир Усов 1954-1991
Илья Кричевский 1963-1991
Дмитрий Комарь 1968-1991

They say?
They're dead, but communism isn't.

Communism still exists and it still has the goal of world domination.

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 1:27 PM

> Vladimir Putin, a former KGB Colonel, a man of influence, is an reconstructed Bolshevik from a
long line of very loyal orthodox Bolsheviks

I am not a big admirer of Putin either, but it's Vladimir Medvedev whose election has not been successfully disputed. Putin is a PM.

> Putin is running Russian foreign policy in a manner which is identical to the way it has been run since the October Revolution.

That's your problem, not mine. It's the West who surrendered to communism at every opportunity and had absolutely nothing to do with actual deposition of regime in 1991. Zilch. The unarmed people did it while you, armed to the teeth with nukes, watched.

> Communism still exists and it still has the goal of world domination.

You get the title of Master of the obvious. Congrats!

> fringe group of lunatics" that still commands 30% of the vote

You are listening too much communist propaganda.
26% is the number that has basis in reality.
One voter out of 4 in a country that spent 70 years under communism and was screwed out of money during the democratic reforms, is not so bad. They will die out soon anyway.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 1:47 PM

Dmitri Medvedev, of course

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 2:00 PM

I am not a big admirer of Putin either, but it's Vladimir Medvedev whose election has not been successfully disputed. Putin is a PM.
~Aaron

President Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, a candidate put forward by Putin himself, is merely Putin's puppet.
Due to constitutionally mandated term limits, Putin was ineligible to run for a third consecutive Presidential term.

Putin rules Russia and I wouldn't be surprised to see him become President again, probably next term.

It's the West who surrendered to communism at every opportunity and had absolutely nothing to do with actual deposition of regime in 1991. Zilch. The unarmed people did it while you, armed to the teeth with nukes, watched.
~Aaron

Yeah sure, the unarmed people deposed the regime.
Not.
It's a puzzle why the unarmed people didn't do it sooner, eh?

On February 7, 1990, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union agreed to give up its monopoly of power.
They simply voted themselves out of existence, but people like you, Aaron, never wonder why.

Yeah, it was the unarmed people.
Right, sure, that's why Russia just let Chechnya, a Russian Federal State for 400 years, go on it's merry way.
Oh....wait, that didn't happen did it, Aaron?

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 2:17 PM

> On February 7, 1990, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union agreed to give up its monopoly of power.

Just to come back one year later, with tanks in the streets and all other attributes of dictatorship.

Who stopped those tanks? Sure it wasn't you.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 2:40 PM

"They will die out soon anyway."

Putin's Ministry of Education and the Putin-cult "Young Russia" movement are teaching that Stalin wasn't so bad - that the show trials and purges weren't that terrible.

Posted by: jwkozak91 at October 14, 2009 3:08 PM

> Putin's Ministry of Education and the Putin-cult "Young Russia"

I have a benefit of being from the country and still having friends and relatives in the country.

You are listening too much propaganda and getting your information from MSM. The quoted is as real, as H1N1 pandemic.

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 3:18 PM

Just to come back one year later, with tanks in the streets and all other attributes of dictatorship.
Who stopped those tanks? Sure it wasn't you.
~Aaron

The Politburo didn't come back, Aaron.
If they had, more than 3 people would have died.

The power of the Soviet Union was a stable 3 legged stool: Politburo, KGB, Red Army.

The Poliburo, and therefore the Soviet Union itself, ceased to exist because the leaders of the KGB and the Red Army wished it to be so.

What happened in 1991 was all a show.
It was an exercise in Dezinformatsiya to gull people like you into thinking that the Cold War was over.

Stalin ruled the Soviet Union for well over a decade before assuming the governmental position of Premier of the Soviet Union during World War II.
Putin is doing likewise, with the exception that he has held an official title for a while now.
It plays better that way, both internationally and for domestic consumption.

On 9 August 1999, Vladimir Putin was appointed one of three First Deputy Prime Ministers, which enabled him later on that day, as the previous government led by Sergei Stepashin had been sacked, to be appointed acting Prime Minister of the Government of the Russian Federation by President Boris Yeltsin. Yeltsin also announced that he wanted to see Putin as his successor. Later, that same day, Putin agreed to run for the presidency.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#Premiership_.281999.29

In his dissertation, Putin wrote: "The process of restructuring the national economy must have the goal of creating the most effective and competetive companies on both the domestic and world markets."


Putin in his 1999 dissertation "Strategic Planning of the Reproduction of the Resource Bases." article proposes "that the state should closely regulate and develop the natural resources sector through creating companies with close links to the power vertical, making the firms big enough to compete with multinationals. These companies would become “national champions,” representing the state’s interest in international commerce.

Most national champions are likely to be 50% or more owned by the Russian government, but there is no reason why predominantly private companies could not also serve as national champions, given the right guidance and pressure."

That, Aaron, is the new communism with a mask to make it appear as though it is private enterprize.

Putin is an unreconstructed Bolshevik and he hides it very well, but only from those who don't look.

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 3:55 PM

> That, Aaron, is the new communism with a mask to make it appear as though it is private enterprize.

I can give you that Costco coupon for tin foil that I never use around Thanksgiving time anyway, you have a good use for it. Otherwise, thanks for being vigilant! It's not Chicom you need to watch, it's those spooky Russkies who only pretend to run market economy, but are still hiding an axe under a winter coat.

PS: If you only knew WHO wrote Putin's dissertation, dude! Hint: it wasn't him, he was busy driving taxicab and getting his handgun taken away by thugs while trying to help out his 'new russian' cronies from Sobchak clan. If you are upset that he is conducting foreign policy in the best interests of his criminal organization, all you can do is get to the terms with that or bust his balls via international arrest warrant. His actions have nothing to do with communism and what you see is a facade, designed to keep easily suggestible folks like you on their toes. He's doing what's best for his mafia clan, and that's as far from communism as it can get. You correctly stated that he has stakes in the major resource mining and manufacturing companies in the country, but how that makes him a communist - there is a disconnect in your thesis here. Missing link, so to say.

It's interesting to read your MSM digest and see how the [socialist] MSM feeds you their master's talking points and you are swallowing. Keep up good work!

Posted by: Aaron at October 14, 2009 4:16 PM

It's not Chicom you need to watch, it's those spooky Russkies who only pretend to run market economy, but are still hiding an axe under a winter coat.
~Aaron

I'll watch the ChiComs too, as well as all the other Communists, thank you kindly.
As I said, "communism hasn't fallen" it hasn't gone away.
It doesn't matter if Putin plagiarized every word and graph of his dissertations, what matters is that he is implementing it.

He's doing what's best for his mafia clan, and that's as far from communism as it can get.
~Aaron

All Communists are robber barons, Aaron.
Didn't you know?
You are such a gull if you think otherwise.
Did you think Communists would enslave the masses for the good of the masses.
Communists believe in Darwinism.

Do you think Communists/Socialists are anything other than rank materialists?
Do you think that people who believe in materialism to the extent that Communists do are in it for the good of the masses?

Why do you think our home grown socialists howled so much when Stephen Harper threatened their $1.95/vote subsidy?
The people in Canada who vote socialist won't donate to or sacrifice materially for their own cause.
What does that tell you about them, Aaron?

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 4:45 PM

The Corpse is now a manifestation of capitalism, a cash cow for Moscow municipal government.
~Aaron
at October 14, 2009 12:46 PM

The Mausoleum is open every day except Mondays and Fridays from 10:00 am to 1:00 pm. Visitors still wait in a long line to see Lenin's body, for which entrance is free of charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin's_Mausoleum#Lenin.27s_Mausoleum_today

I have a benefit of being from the country and still having friends and relatives in the country.
~Aaron
at October 14, 2009 3:18 PM

In the case of your knowledge of Lenin's Mausoleum, you don't appear to benefit.
Just maybe your knowledge is lacking in other areas, nyet?

Posted by: Oz at October 14, 2009 6:10 PM

> free of charge.

Let me level the playing field and drop to the same level as you are for a moment:

[Oz mode on]You are such a dork! How do you think those visitors get there?
Let me enlighten you, dimwit: they get there by tourist bus. It takes them on a shopping tour and tour of the Kremlin museums (extension of the cash cow's tail). Try to see further than your nose, stupido.[Oz mode off]

Ok, back to civilized debate. Like I said, I have a benefit of actually living around the corner from the above mentioned facilities in the past, while you are getting your information from wikipedia (the one that everyone can edit, but no one can; the one, where facts don't matter).

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 8:58 AM

The issue, Aaron is communism.
Communism has not fallen.

The tourist busses are going to keep rolling IF Lenin is buried.
The busses are the cash cow, Lenin is just a small part of one of their many destiniations.
The Kremlin is a big place that existed before Lenin was born.

cash cow
n. Slang
A steady dependable source of funds or income.

No, Lenin isn't a cash cow, viewing his body is FREE of charge, however anyone gets there, the decision to bury him isn't up to the Mayor of Moscow.

Lenin started it all, Communism as a state, in Russia.
If Communism in Russia was dead, then Lenin would have already had a proper burial.

I can see that you believe, by your remarks about Putin, that Communism isn't so bad.

Nice try attacking my use of Wiki.
Tell me, Aaron, is Wiki incorrect about viewing Lenin being free of charge?

You, Aaron, were wrong about Lenin being a cash cow and you're wrong about the "fall of communism".

You have yet to address the fact that Communism is alive and well all over the world, in countries other than Russia.

How can Communism have fallen if China, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Laos, Burma, Bangladesh, Libya, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Guinea, Senegal, Uganda, etc. are all still Communist states?

Ignorance and denial are no way to go through life, Aaron.

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 11:27 AM

You are bringing lies into the argument to advance your agenda. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Fact checking Oz:

Nicaragua:
Type: Republic.
Independence: 1821.
Constitution: The 1987 Sandinista-era constitution was changed in 1995 to provide for a more even distribution of power among the four branches of government and again in 2000 to increase the Supreme Court and the Controller General's Office and to make changes to the electoral laws. The changes in 2000 allowed for the president to be elected with 35% of the popular vote so long as there was at least a five percentage point difference between the first and second place candidates.

Bangladesh:
Type: Parliamentary democracy.
Independence: 1971 (from Pakistan).
Constitution: 1972; amended 1974, 1979, 1986, 1988, 1991, 1996, 2004.

Sri Lanka:
Type: Republic.

Senegal:
Type: Republic.
Independence: April 4, 1960.
Constitution: March 3, 1963, last amended in 2001.
Branches: Executive--President (chief of state, commander in chief of armed forces). Legislative--bicameral parliament with a 150 member National Assembly and a 100 member Senate. Judicial--Constitutional Council (appointed by the president from senior magistrates and eminent academics and attorneys), Court of Final Appeals, Council of State.

Uganda:
Type: Republic.
Constitution: Ratified July 12, 1995; promulgated October 8, 1995.
Independence: October 9, 1962.
Branches: Executive--president, vice president, prime minister, cabinet. Legislative--parliament. Judicial--Magistrate's Court, High Court, Court of Appeals, Supreme Court.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 12:35 PM

Just because a nation is a Democracy or a Republic does not make it non-Communist, Aaron.
One would think you were so young and wet behind the ears that you had never heard of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or the Peoples Democratic Republic of China or Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Nicaragua- Ruled by President Daniel Ortega who is a Communist.

People's Republic of Bangladesh-despite the appearance of it's political structure is a Communist nation with close warm ties to the Peoples Republic of China which is also a Communist nation.

Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka is a Communist nation just like the German Democratic Republic was.

Republic of Senegal-President Abdoula Wade is a Communist.

Republic of Uganda-President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni is a Communist. Museveni first assumed office in 1986 and has been President ever since.

You just don't understand communism, do you Aaron?

Communism hasn't fallen.
You are wrong, Aaron.

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 2:48 PM

I am beginning to understand.
You have your own, personal definition of communism, that you never bothered to share with me or reconcile with history.

Now I agree with you: I don't understand your version of communism. Agreed!

My understanding of communism is very simplistic, and based on living for almost 30 years in the the USSR and post-reform Russia. By the way, I got A+ in the History of the Communist Party and Philosophy (Marxist of course) courses at university. The Communist party committee, whose members sat in at the exams, were satisfied that I did in fact understand communism - their version of it.

So, define communism or hit the road. I still can't figure what the hell you are trying to prove here. If you dispute the concept of the 'fall of communism', why with me, dude? I did not write this post, Kate did. Take your grievances with her if you have an urge.

If you want to continue debating with me, provide definitions for the things you debate.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 3:00 PM

So you don't think the People's Republic of China is a Communist country, Aaron?

I get it now.
When you said, "the fall of communism" you obviously have your own private definition of the word "fall".

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 3:14 PM

Now you want to stick it to me using China. Nice!
Notice how I called you a liar, because you bumped up your count of communist regimes using democracies? Go back and see that China was not among them.

Define communism or beat it.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 3:34 PM

40 comments on the light bulbs and 1 comment on the fall of communism.
~Aaron

Fall of communism?
When did this happen?

Somebody should tell Red China, Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Russia, etc.

The "fall" of Communism has been greatly exaggerated as well as being entirely premature.
Many in the west live in a state of denial and a false sense of security based on this "fall of communism" meme.

Posted by: Oz | October 14, 2009 10:37 AM

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 3:39 PM

> Notice how I called you a liar, because you bumped up your count of communist regimes using democracies?

LOL!

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 3:47 PM

How can Communism have fallen if China, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Laos, Burma, Bangladesh, Libya, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Guinea, Senegal, Uganda, etc. are all still Communist states?

Ignorance and denial are no way to go through life, Aaron.

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 11:27 AM

You define communism first, Aaron.
Then I'll pick apart YOUR definition.

Karl Marx used the terms socialism and communism interchangably, as did V.I. Lenin.

Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country.
~Vladimir Lenin

The goal of socialism is communism.
~Vladimir Lenin

Under socialism all will govern in turn and will soon become accustomed to no one governing.
~Vladimir Lenin

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.
~Vladimir Lenin

Democracy is the road to socialism.
~Karl Marx

I am not a Marxist.
~Karl Marx

I am a Marxist Leninist and I will be one until the last day of my life.
~Fidel Castro

I am not a communist and neither is the revolutionary movement.
~Fidel Castro

It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
~Joseph Stalin

So much for countries that have Democratic and republic in their names.

You still haven't given your private definition of "fall" yet, Aaron.

Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 3:47 PM

Notice how V.I. Lenin said "Democracy is indispensable to socialism." and that "The goal of socialism is communism."?

I just proved that democracies can be communist states, Aaron.

Read and grow wise.


Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 3:52 PM

You proved nothing, this is just a bout of verbal diarrhea that you had here.

Communism in Poland is no more.
Romania - same thing.
Not a trace of it in Czech.
East Germany is history.
Yugoslavia kicked the bucket.
Hungary not communist anymore.
Bulgarian communist regime done in.
Georgia in NATO.
The Baltic states have done away with communism.

I know, nothing too good for cowboys, but reality calls sometimes, you know.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 4:13 PM

You are correct about those countries, Aaron.
You are wrong about Communism falling.

Communism hasn't even been discredited yet, maybe in those few countries, but they weren't willing participants in the first place anyway, they just got traded off at Yalta.

Russia just did what many corporations did in the '90s, and the USSR was just one big bad communist corporation fronting for Russia.

So Russia downsized the corporation and let their unprofitable sudsidiaries go so that they could come back leaner and meaner than ever.

It has worked.
But the world is waking up to the fact that the Cold War never ended.

Now Russia is ready to begin expanding again.


Posted by: Oz at October 15, 2009 4:23 PM

Definition

Paranoia is a symptom in which an individual feels as if the world is "out to get" him or her. When people are paranoid, they feel as if others are always talking about them behind their backs. Paranoia causes intense feelings of distrust, and can sometimes lead to overt or covert hostility.

Treatment

People who are suffering from diagnosable mental conditions such as schizophrenia or paranoid personality disorder may benefit from the use of typical antipsychotic medications, such as chlorpromazine or haloperidol, or from the newer, atypical antipsychotic medications, such as clozapine, olanzapine, or risperidone.

Posted by: Aaron at October 15, 2009 4:34 PM
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