sda2.jpg

September 21, 2009

Scratch A Leftist

Find an apologist for mass murder by the state.

Posted by Kate at September 21, 2009 9:35 AM
Comments

It's not that they are apologists - they openly practice mass murder, whenever given an opportunity.

I had a socialist colleague, who believed that Stalin was the best leader USSR ever had and that slaughtering the millions in the course of 1917 revolution and the civil war of 1918-1922 was an absolutely necessary 'elimination of enemies' who stood in the way to bright future.

And that person actually moved to Canada from the former USSR, probably due to reforms corrupting his socialist paradise. Canadians, that is quite a verdict for your society!

Posted by: Aaron at September 21, 2009 9:50 AM

Aaron,

Obama is leading you to where we are in Canada. Obama is your Jack Layton.

Posted by: Momar at September 21, 2009 9:52 AM

Watch how the guy from the Hamilton Spectator runs interference for his holy deity, Communism.

And they wonder why newspapers are going out of business.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at September 21, 2009 10:00 AM

heckling in the HoC ???

the thing the ALL do ??

all of them do it.

Posted by: curious_george at September 21, 2009 10:09 AM

Mommar, did you mean to type 'obama is leading me'? How obama may be 1) leading and 2) leading me, is beyond me.

Posted by: Aaron at September 21, 2009 10:12 AM

We could use a few of Mr. Kenney here in the US. Well done, sir.

Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim at September 21, 2009 10:14 AM

It's not surprising that neither Taliban Jack's ND's nor Gilles Duceppes's communist party's are opposed to hurting their supporters feelings.

Duceppe was once a card carrying communist in Quebec.

Good on Jason Kenney and the conservatives for their stand on the issue.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at September 21, 2009 10:14 AM

[deleted. Cut the profanity, misspellings included. - ED]

Posted by: curious_george at September 21, 2009 10:16 AM

Scratch a right whinger, find a hypocrite.
What would the corpulent Kenney and
various and sundry small dead minds
have to say about a government sanctioned
monument to the millions of victims of
American supported totalitarianism?

Posted by: philboy at September 21, 2009 10:20 AM

Can you name at least one victim, Philboy?

Posted by: Aaron at September 21, 2009 10:28 AM

It bears repeating, the reason that the ND's and Bloc are opposing the monument with the wording "victims of "communism" in Ottawa is that both those two party's represent socialists and a large communist section of the Canadian and Quebec population.

Canadian style soft communism.

Polls show up to 18% of the population.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at September 21, 2009 10:44 AM

You can trust me Philboy when I say I've been around a little and seen a few things, lots of experiences that many will not ever have, have had the privilage of meeting a myraid of people from the top of the totem pole to the bottom. Anyway I think you are a tool.

Posted by: bob at September 21, 2009 10:47 AM

Even with the grade two level tease'n' taunt smarminess thrown in, Philboy asks a good question, seeking no more than some sort of speculative response. However, it is not the question under discussion here. For a more precise answer, from the source, as it were, perhaps he should address this same question, in the same tone, directly to Jason Kenney. For even greater insight, he might want to ask Pres. Obama as well.

1917 to the present, the death toll under the good old hammer'n'sickle butchers, is conservatively estimated to be 180,000,000 men, women and children...

For further consideration, perhaps one ought to take a google and peek at the Prague Declaration of 2008. Philboy, once you've read it all, and digested it - get back to this site with more of your informed and considered thoughts and musings on this issue.

tj

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 21, 2009 10:50 AM

I am disappointed that friendship between NDP and communists is not put on display more often, so Jack Layton would stop speaking for "all Canadians".

Posted by: xiat at September 21, 2009 11:04 AM

Boob Rae's Provincial NDP government and one of BC's NDP governments (I can't recall which) have both put up monuments TO Communism in the form of honoring the Stalinists of the Mackenzie-Papineau "Battalion" in the Spanish Civil War. (BTW, Ontario leftists fought against and succeeded in stopping a monument to Canadian volunteers serving in the U.S. military during the Vietnam War because it wasn't a Canadian war.)

Posted by: andycanuck at September 21, 2009 11:06 AM

Boy, censorship is alive and well here!

Posted by: Harry J. Balsac at September 21, 2009 11:15 AM

I'm a fascist, remember? It's one of the perks.

Posted by: Kate at September 21, 2009 11:19 AM

Right on Kenny; God it is great having a Conservative government, even in minority

Posted by: Larry Bennett at September 21, 2009 11:27 AM

By the way, so-called Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, shot nuns and priests, ruined the and looted the churches and even scattered the remains found from the catacombs throughout the streets. This may please Kate, I'm not sure.

Posted by: Larry Bennett at September 21, 2009 11:32 AM

"Boob Rae's Provincial NDP government and one of BC's NDP governments (I can't recall which) have both put up monuments TO Communism in the form of honoring the Stalinists of the Mackenzie-Papineau "Battalion" in the Spanish Civil War", etc, etc.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 21, 2009 11:06 AM

Barbara Amiel, back when she wrote columns regularly for the Toronto Sun, had Bob Rae and his ND government pegged as "crypto-communist".
Nothing has changed in Toronto voting pattern since then.
Or Quebec for that matter.
They like communism.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at September 21, 2009 11:36 AM

If I didn't know any better, I would think people like Philboy were DEFENDING the communists?

Boy I must be confused or somethin'...

Posted by: Soccermom at September 21, 2009 11:39 AM

Shot nuns and priests, ruined the and looted the churches
This Sounds like democrats to me Larry.

Posted by: bob at September 21, 2009 11:39 AM

But of course our National Capital Commission can't put up a monument to the victims of "totalitarian Communism" as it may offend those associated with communism.

Gee 61 million wiped out by Soviet communism and people are worried about offending communists.

I didn't worry about offending the East German border guards when I told them to pull the trigger.

Philboy is just an ignorant ideological troll with little or no experience of real totalitarian regimes.

"American supported totalitarianism"? just where is your evidence for this?

Philboy is a comedian.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF

Lethal Politics: Soviet
Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917

Chapter 1. 61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered 1917 to 1987

...

Chapter 9. 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period 1954-1987

o Table 9.A. 6,872,000 Victims During the Post-Stalin Period: Sources, Calculations, and Estimates

Appendix A. Methodology: Principles, Procedures, and Definitions See the similar Appendix to China's Bloody Century, 1991.
....

overall democide for the People's Republic of China (1928-1987) from 38,702,000 to 76,702,000

Yep the state is going to come and save you!

Philboy is dangerously delusional.


Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
Army Group "True North"
1st St. Nicolaas Army

Posted by: Hans Rupprecht at September 21, 2009 11:42 AM

Religion is the opiate of the masses.
– Karl Marx

Kill those who do not worship your wisdom.
– The only way marxists can create progress ie through the elimination of dissenting opinion

Posted by: set you free at September 21, 2009 11:42 AM

A little off topic, but still relevant when speaking of leftists, has anyone seen Bill C-428 changing residency requirements to collect OAS? It is currently 10 years and Ruby Dhalla (& friends) want to see it reduced to three. Are they insane?

Posted by: anne (not from Cornwall) at September 21, 2009 12:03 PM

Hans, your numbers must be slightly understated.

I am not sure they include all victims of several Anthrax leaks at the Soviet WMD biolabs.

I am not sure they include the victims of nuke tests performed on the Soviet army troops.

Not sure if the victims of fallout from the chain of ground nuclear explosions in the Perm and Syktyvkar regions included.

Do those numbers include those victims, crushed by the armored vehicles during suppression of several peaceful protests in the 1970s?

Are the petty criminals, who were sentenced to forced labour in the uranium mines and chemical WMD labs and succumbed to poisoning there, included?

Posted by: Aaron at September 21, 2009 12:03 PM

And of course, the good little liberal media is doing there best to make it look like Harper's 140+ seat government is being propped up by separatists and commies while somehow ignoring the fact that while this is a quite different situation, it was okay when it was Dion and his 70 odd seats that would have been propped up. Aislin is a doofus and a sell-out.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at September 21, 2009 12:18 PM

And of course, the good little liberal media is doing their best to make it look like Mr. Harper's 140+ seat government is being propped up by separatists and commies while somehow ignoring the fact that while this is a quite different situation, it was okay when it was Dion and his 70 odd seats that would have actually been propped up. Aislin is a doofus and a sell-out.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at September 21, 2009 12:20 PM

The only real difference between a socialist and a Communist / Fascist is that most socialists are unwilling to go that extra step to violence to further the ideology. However once a society is far enough along the road to socialism there is usually someone that steps forward to offer that extra little push to make people see the evils of freedom.

Posted by: Kevin at September 21, 2009 12:24 PM

Posted by: Kate
**I'm a fascist, remember? It's one of the perks.**
I am offended....even such a tongue-in-cheek, spur of the moment retort....is offensive...and ill considered...
I have serious doubts that Kate harbours any notions even remotely related to fascism which is in reality just another flavour of socialism/communism.
Censorship is a necessary evil even in the most permissive societies----eg child porn or open sedition...
This subject is of personal interest to me---
You see, I had the grave misfortune of seeing the Cambodian "killing fields" first hand...........

Posted by: sasquatch at September 21, 2009 12:25 PM

I remember the shocked look on a Chinese couple's face when they asked my opinion of Norman Bethune many years ago.

They have the idea that he is a venerated hero here in Canada..I mean we did give him a commercial stating he was the best of us, right?

It made me want to gag.He was just another apologist for mass murder.

Posted by: Kursk at September 21, 2009 12:33 PM

i was a long time friend of norman bethune's aide de camp(minder)in the spanish civil war...a man who knew bethune intimately...

i believe i know a few things about norman bethune that you won't see published...thereby disturbing the sentimental "symmetry' of the mythology...

Posted by: john begley at September 21, 2009 12:47 PM

I'm failing to see your point here, Larry. The Republicans in the Spanish Civil War were an amalgam of leftists, socialists, communists, etc., fighting against the generally royalists Nationalists under Franco. And while I'm loathe to even consider any sort of apologetic toward Franco, I think you've just proved Kate's overall point, haven't you? Reading comprehension, my lad...

Posted by: rick mcginnis at September 21, 2009 12:49 PM

Good for Jason Kenny.

No doubt Phillboy is upset that my grandfather was not included int 100 plus million victims of Communism, as were his two brothers and other family members. Communist apologists like him, Taliban Jack and Duceppe make me sick to my stomach, as do the professors and teachers in Canada that teach this Marxist garbage.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at September 21, 2009 12:57 PM

Since we're talking about commies:

"There's no time like now to organize resistance!"

So says the header of a communist/socialist online youth magazine I came across this a.m.

http://rebelyouth-magazine.blogspot.com/

Among the tabs to click on: Marxism Today/Quebec/Cuba/ Aboriginals

This is a Canadian site. Very freakish. Address they are from is Danforth Street, Toronto.

Like I said, Freakish.

Posted by: Soccermom at September 21, 2009 1:07 PM

The booers should of been thrown out of Parliment, showing public support for a political ideology that's killed more people in peace time than all our wars is despicable. I hope we can drag up the names of the booers thus letting the court of public opinion deal with them.

Posted by: Rose at September 21, 2009 1:11 PM

They're next door to the Asteria (souvlaki!) on the upper floor. It's about as small time as a small time operation can be.

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at September 21, 2009 1:12 PM

Who's apologizing for totalitarianism.??
I'm talking about an honest historical perspective.
By all means, put up your monument, but
don't try to deny American support of, and complicity in, murderous totalitarian regimes.
ie Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Chile,
Indonesia, etc, etc.
There wouldn't have been an Ayatollah without
the US crushing democracy in Iran and setting up the Shah dictatorship. There would not have been a Pol Pot were it not for the destabilization of
the region caused by the US invasion of
Vietnam.
There's a few million you credit to communism that belongs on your side of the balance sheet.
The list of US foreign policy malfeasance
is a long and sorry one.
So again, what would the corpulent Kenney
have to say about a monument to that
documented evil.???

Posted by: philboy at September 21, 2009 1:28 PM

When you say "your side of the balance sheet", then you are admitting you are on the other side of the balance sheet, i.e. a commie??, philboy?

Posted by: Soccermom at September 21, 2009 1:38 PM

All communist apologizers should read "MEMORIES DENIED" by Estonian Imbi Paju.

The terror, inhumanity, brutality, and pure evil of communism is clearly documented & described.
Strongly recommended!

Communists anywhere should, and must, be insulted, ridiculed, offended, blamed, and exposed. The deserve it.

Posted by: Johan i Kanada at September 21, 2009 1:38 PM

The book MEMORIES DENIED" by Estonian Imbi Paju in English can be found here:
http://apollo.ee/product.php/1773767

Posted by: Johan i Kanada at September 21, 2009 1:41 PM

1. The Contras weren't the government in Nicaragua, philly/manny. The "contrarevoluciones" (a true "people's army", according to Ronald Radosh) were fighting Ortega's regime.

2. Leftists in 1979 Iran assisted the mullahs in overthrowing the Shah - the mullahs then massacred the commies (just like if we were to lose the war on Islamic fascism, btw).

3. Some Chileans protested in favour of Pinochet while he was being prosecuted. Some still thank him for saving them from socialism. I also note that I haven't heard any demonstrations on September 11 recently.

Posted by: jwkozak91 at September 21, 2009 1:48 PM

Did Philboy dare mention Chile?

I know something of Chile, having a Chilean wife.

Pinochet saved her life. By eliminating the violent socialist revolutionaries and stopping the civil war, he saved far more lives then he took (and greatly improved Chile!).

And since the communists had told my in-laws that when the revolution came, they would be shot, if the CIA did support Pinochet, then good for them.

Viva Pinochet.

BTW, the CIA was supporting opposition parties to the socialists intent on destroying freedom and prosperity in Chile, but did not support Pinochet until after the coup.

Please compare Cuba to Chile, and tell me which revolution resulted in freer, safer and more prosperous citizens... the one supported by the Americans, or the one supported by the soviets?

Posted by: Johnny 100 Pesos at September 21, 2009 1:54 PM

pilboy


"""the region caused by the US invasion of
Vietnam.""""


you blew your credibility rite there

Posted by: GYM at September 21, 2009 1:57 PM

We have to return to teaching history in schools. Not the revisionist history in vogue but real history based on facts. Can't blame the young for being ignorant when they are taught by the ignorant. Maybe extra credits for proving the teacher wrong?

Posted by: Speedy at September 21, 2009 2:22 PM

I left a comment on that blog. I will paraphrase here: air-lift these "progressives" to some god-awful communist country and have them find a passage back. I am calling it now: they will eat their shoes in a fit of insanity.

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at September 21, 2009 2:57 PM

Tell you what Redboy, you put up your monument (as soon as the New Commies get elected) and we'll put up ours. I figure it's about 10 million to one in our favour, if you're keeping score. Which is just another good argument for limiting the power of government. While we can argue about the mistakes made by democracies, we should be able to agree that while serious, they can in no way rival the great evils of the 20th century's totalitarian, communist regimes.

Posted by: Thomas_L...... at September 21, 2009 3:21 PM

NO COMMIES.

Posted by: bob at September 21, 2009 3:34 PM

I guess phlatulent philboy still hasn't worked up the nerve to ask Kenney. Well. How about aksing Barry?

phillboy - do read the Prague Declaration. It's written by reps from all European and East Euro nations.

enlightening. If that's really what you're after.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 21, 2009 3:37 PM

http://praguedeclaration.org/

Posted by: Thomas_L..... at September 21, 2009 4:06 PM

rick mcginnis @ 1249
Firstly, I'm not a "lad", least of all to you, and I am well aware of who made up the Republican forces in the Civil War of Spain. Rather, I find it odd that you would fail to comprehend my comment, unless of course you haven't been following the grand Sarabande that Kate and I have danced these last several weeks. My reading comprehension is excellent unlike yours, and I can comprehend the unspoken word as well. Kate seems to see Christians, and especially Catholics, and even more especially, Roman Catholics, as part of the "ancient regimes" of monarchical Europe, and has little time for those of us who are appalled by some of the sacrile-
gious rudeness so common in modern commentary.

Posted by: Larry Bennett at September 21, 2009 4:34 PM

Whenever right whingers get on their
moral high horse, you can bet your boots
that there is an element of rank hypocrisy
involved. There is no exception in this case.
As we see here, there is, in the small dead mind,
a difference between USSR supported
totalitarian evils, and US supported
totalitarian evil. One is worthy of condemnation,
the other, if acknowledged at all, is to be
rationalized and defended.
Kenney and the Cons are just trying
to score partisan points here with
their crocodile tears. They care nothing
for victims, unless it can be used for
narrow political ends.

Posted by: philboy at September 21, 2009 4:37 PM

Franco defeated the communists and returned the country to civilian democratic government. It might have taken a long time to happen, but has a communist regime ever become a democratic regime without civil war or uprising?

I think you will find that a lot of the so called "right wing" military governments came in to being to save their countries from communism. This was the case in Chile.

Posted by: minuteman at September 21, 2009 5:16 PM

Missisauga Matt - Asteria is a regular spot for my friends and I to get together at in Toronto. Not often enough, because I live a long way from their now.

Posted by: minuteman at September 21, 2009 5:19 PM

Thomas_L......

You are absolutely right - I sent a letter to the Ed at the Gaz (not published, of course).

Aislin and the rest of the liberal media scum will distort anything that comes their way. They know perfectly well the meaning of "coalition" but they will will not hesitate to distort truth to malign tories.

Posted by: jlc at September 21, 2009 6:05 PM

philboy.

seems you are afraid to read the Prague Declaration. Otherwise you might be just a tad less obtuse. You have a few valid points. There are, however some serious differences between the "Them" and "Us." Of course, "Them" becomes "Us" and "Us" is "Them" depending on one's world view,and on which tribe one chooses to break bread with, and whose salt one chooses to eat.

My family lost 84 members, 1917 to 1991, to the Soviets, and at least 18 to the Nazis.

That's where I come from. Where do you come from?

t.e.&o.e.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 21, 2009 6:14 PM

There is only one reason why I can give communists the "hat tip", that is for giving my family the encouragement they needed to leave the sh!#hole country of Russia.

I pray that not many more people have to endure the same encouragement.

Posted by: Knacker at September 21, 2009 6:52 PM

I think its great to have this memorial and I look forward to seeing it.

Posted by: Mortimer at September 21, 2009 8:04 PM

"My family lost 84 members, 1917 to 1991, to the Soviets, and at least 18 to the Nazis."

And mine were persecuted under the Czars.
So what? Many can say the same about their families' experience
with US supported Central American death squads.
And the Prague Declaration? Again, so what?
I don't make the partisan "my dictators are good, yours are evil" distinction. Totalitarianism is totalitarianism,
torture is torture, murder is murder. To single out some for memorialization, and exclude others is, at best, intellectually dishonest.

Posted by: philboy at September 21, 2009 8:31 PM

No point in debating with phillboy, as he thinks a little inconvenient persecution such as exile etc.under the Czars, which by the way some of our family also endured, is the moral equivalent to slaughtering tens of millions. Only a died in the wool Bolshevik could think that way.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at September 21, 2009 8:41 PM

Ah... but philboy, you fail to recognize that so-called right wing totalitarianism has been so thoroughly discredited that few people require reminding of their evil (even where the basic evil was socialist re-cast as right wing such as Naziism). But communism is, notwithstanding the fact that hundred times more people were massacred for that evil creed, still fashionable among the intellectual, the ivory tower professor and the left in general. And that needs airing, reminding and shining a light on in general - the fact that the left considers communism legitimate even with the evidence of the horrors committed in its name needs crying out from the rooftops and de-legitimizing. And for that alone, it needs to be stated loudly, in monuments and all. The evil everyone knows about is easy to identify. That which still bears the seal of approval of an amoral segment of our population needs to be highlighted and destroyed. Moral equivalency between right-wing dictatorships and communist dictatorships, indeed - evil is evil. The difference here is that left wing evil is being whitewashed over and over, and it perpetuates itself over and over, while right wing evil has over and over been eventually acknowledged and cast aside. Contrast Chile and Cuba - the former grew out of the totalitarian evil (if you so choose to characterise it - many Chileans do not) in the space of a generation, while the latter is still mired in evil, fifty years later. Any way you cut it, the evil of communism continues to be legitimized by the salon marxists in our midst, and that needs to stop. It always amazes me that high-minded people who recoil at Naziism can excuse away a creed that has massacred 10x more people. Bah... communism is as great an evil as any totalitarian creed, and more successful in genocide than any of them.

Posted by: Tanker at September 21, 2009 8:51 PM

Until the unions pay for it, it will say what we want it to.

Posted by: Speedy at September 21, 2009 8:57 PM

Tanker, thank you. You are more articulate about this topic than I am. My hatred of things communist or Marxist sometimes makes it difficult to discuss the subject. I am in the midst of translating a book into English that a 2nd cousin of mine wrote about his mother and her years under Russian communism. Without going into detail, it is sufficient to say that her husband and some of her brothers and brothers-in-law were shot in 1937. He was teacher who refused to denounce God. Her story makes it difficult for me to consider the fact that some people here and in the US want to have the same system here.

Posted by: Ken (Kulak) at September 21, 2009 9:48 PM

System that respects an individual's right to choose how he spends his money and how he raises his children will carry on forever.

Any other form of governance, in which an elite decides it has more wisdom than the individual to spend his money and raise his children is doomed to failure.

The 20th century demonstrated clearly that the former is preferable to the latter.

Posted by: set you free at September 21, 2009 9:50 PM

"Any other form of governance, in which an elite decides it has more wisdom than the individual to spend his money and raise his children is doomed to failure."

Funny thing is that unfortunately all Marxists naively assume they would be part of the elite.

Posted by: ChrisinMB at September 21, 2009 10:22 PM

More blood spilled by the fascist left, communist left than all the other ist throughout time. It is not a great leap to think you what is best for me to then determine I and my people are not best for your society.

Posted by: Iain at September 21, 2009 11:22 PM

Philboy:

start your petition for the other memorials youfeel might also be needed. If I agree with what you propose, I'll gladly sign on.

Victims of Capitalism? I'm there.

Victims of USA "Manifest Destiny?" I'm there.

Same with the evils of the British Empire.

I'm also there for the monument to the Liberators of Europe, WWI WWII. And count me in for the operatives behind the Berlin Airlift.

And I'm up for a monument commemorating the fall of the Anti Fascist protective barrier/berlin wall/keep the commies out wall.

BTW prior to the Sovs, my family too lost countless members to various czars and to the rule of Katherine the Great [the great lover of horses hung like horses.]

Arguing against "one" because not "all" are marked is count erproductive.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 22, 2009 7:16 AM

Philboy:

start your petition for the other memorials youfeel might also be needed. If I agree with what you propose, I'll gladly sign on.

Victims of Capitalism? I'm there.

Victims of USA "Manifest Destiny?" I'm there.

Same with the evils of the British Empire.

I'm also there for the monument to the Liberators of Europe, WWI WWII. And count me in for the operatives behind the Berlin Airlift.

And I'm up for a monument commemorating the fall of the Anti Fascist protective barrier/berlin wall/keep the commies out wall.

BTW prior to the Sovs, my family too lost countless members to various czars and to the rule of Katherine the Great [the great lover of horses hung like horses.]

Arguing against "one" because not "all" are marked is count erproductive.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 22, 2009 7:16 AM

pardon my double click.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 22, 2009 7:18 AM

Appropos nothing at all - this is to those oposing the naming of Communism as the perpetrators of untold horrors. In the name and eternal memory of Joe Stalin and the Gulag gang, thanks are extended to those who Uncle Joe called his "useful idiots in the west."

So, tens of millions died as a result of communism? So what? "You gotta break a few eggs when you want to make the best ommelette," stated murederous idealogue and doctrinaire leftist butcher, Joseph Stalin.

Nowhere in any capitalist system will one ever encounter such cold blooded disdain for human life, freedom and independence.

Posted by: TangoJuliette at September 22, 2009 12:10 PM
Site
Meter