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Posted by Kate at September 11, 2009 9:48 AMThe title — “monument to the victims of totalitarian communism” — has already been changed once. In the first proposals, one by a non-profit group called Tribute to Liberty, the other by Open Book Group, it was to be called “monument to the victims of communism.”
After beginning discussions with the NCC in March 2008, the groups had back-and-forth discussions with a committee of experts who suggested that the title be changed because it could be perceived as “unduly critical of Canadians who might associate themselves with communism,” Egan said.
Wow. That's like closing down the holocaust memorial because it might offend people who happen to be nazis.
Posted by: TJS at September 11, 2009 10:15 AMPerhaps its not as much guilty conscience that irks remnant Communist sympathizers as it is a matter of self preservasion to escape answerability for the sins of their ilk.
We vanquished Nazism (national socialism)from the free world, why have we allowed its political sibling Communism to escape the same fate?
Posted by: Jim at September 11, 2009 10:28 AM"Totalitarian communism" is wrong on many grounds, including good, economical usage. There is no other kind of communism.
Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim at September 11, 2009 10:28 AMPerhaps is should be called:
Monument to the wretched victims of well meaning and warm though misanderstood totalitarians.
Posted by: Lev at September 11, 2009 10:32 AMWell of course we can't offend the Communists among us, because dead men tell no tales.
What a bunch horrific nonsense, Stalin and his ilk wiped out about 10 million Ukranians before Adolf and company warmed up their Panzer engines.
It's too bad Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is gone as I'm sure he would happy to set the NCC straight with all the politically correct 'communist speak' that they find themselves tripping over.
These clowns running the committee are like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Maybe they need a disability tax credit for the "morally challenged".
I'll be waiting for the next installment from Hollywood in the Inglorious series titled examining the communist system of government:
"Inglorious Vipers"
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
Army Group "True North"
1st St. Nicolaas Army
In order for a communist economic and political system to function among any population larger than a hunting/gathering band of 30 people, it MUST be totalitarian.
Therefore, to insert the adjective 'totalitarian' as descriptive of these modern industrial communist endeavours is an oxymoron. The regime MUST be totalitarian, for you cannot organize a multimillion size population as and only as, a collective, and reject all individualism, in any other way.
Posted by: ET at September 11, 2009 10:55 AMI have no doubt that their angst could be cured by simply changing the project into a memorial for victims of colonialism. There woulds be few, if any, discussions on political correctness or worries about offending that section of Canadian citizens.
Posted by: LC Bennett at September 11, 2009 11:10 AM
Communism is the drug that makes losers feel good about themselves.
After a few years it wears off and is replaced by alcohol, drugs and despair.
Posted by: Momar at September 11, 2009 11:19 AMI am raving mad, and I am going to remain so the rest of the day. Nobody dare come anywhere near me. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Posted by: MarionN at September 11, 2009 11:29 AMMy father did 2 tours of duty in Korea killing commies. Should we do less?
Just asking.
There is a parallel here to Afghanistan.
The Soviet Union is gone, much like the Taliban Regime but it's diehards continue the battle entrenched in various beaurocracies and the US governement....
These NCC beaurocrats are in all likelyhood LPC appointees....like the HRC's.......
They need to be fired and sent north to do something constructive like cut pulpwood.
Methinks they protest to much.The title is hitting a little to close to home with regards to the people on the NCC board.
Posted by: spike1 at September 11, 2009 12:17 PM“I was unsettled by this name, and other members of the committee agreed with me,” said Hélène Grand-Maître, speaking in French. “We should make sure that we are politically correct in this designation.”
Or, more likely, these "F"n idiots actually LIKE communism and don't want it's name tarnished.
Posted by: richfisher at September 11, 2009 12:27 PM"My father did 2 tours of duty in Korea killing commies."
My father was captured at Dunkirk and the Nazi's sent him to an NDP prison camp for most of the war. He had a good look at what communism does. Didn't like it either.
Posted by: gord at September 11, 2009 12:34 PM"unduly critical of Canadians who might associate themselves with communism"
There is ABSOLUTLY no such thing as undue criticism of any schmuck who associates his/her self with commies.They should be completely humiliated,laughed at,and if necessary,beat upside the head as often as necessary with a spiked baseball bat, then sent to a gulag of their own slave labor making,preferabbly around 89 deg north.
Posted by: Justthinkin at September 11, 2009 12:35 PMit could be perceived as “unduly critical of Canadians who might associate themselves with communism,”
People who might associate with communism are less of a problem than those who already do. And those ones deserve all the criticism we can heap on them.
Posted by: Kathryn at September 11, 2009 1:01 PMSet you free, I'm guessing that Gord meant NSDAP, the German initials for the Nazi Party. (National Socialist German Workers'Party-National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei)
Any similarity between the NDP and the NSDAP is purely a coincidental manifestation of their shared collective totalitarianism.)
Posted by: Dave in Pa at September 11, 2009 1:54 PM“I was unsettled by this name, and other members of the committee agreed with me,” said Hélène Grand-Maître, speaking in French. “We should make sure that we are politically correct in this designation.”
Or perhaps she doesn't want to offend Gilles Duceppe, Bloc leader and former card carrying communist in Quebec.
Posted by: Joe Molnar at September 11, 2009 2:12 PMIt should be called "The Monument to the Victims of Socialism".
Posted by: Oz at September 11, 2009 2:29 PMI guess the NCC doesn't want a counter-point to the "Mac-Pap" monument on Parliament Hill.
Queen Adrienne made sure that a monument was erected (in 2004? 2005?) to honour the "comrades" of the "Mackenzie-Papuneau Brigade" of the Spanish Civil War. On Parliament Hill.
Anyone in Ottawa should take picures and send them to Kate. It would make a good juxtapose.
Posted by: jwkozak91 at September 11, 2009 2:32 PMThere are millions- millions- irreparably damaged and murdered by communists. If there were movies made, monuments constructed, and reparations handed out, states like Russia, Cuba, China, Vietnam and North Korea would be bankrupt in seconds.
The cost of the West's indifference is incalculable.
Just my thoughts.
Oh come on people communism can't be that bad. The Americans just chose such an administration.
Posted by: Joe at September 11, 2009 2:55 PMOne of the celebrations of cultural communities here in Montreal involves the unveiling of a painting honouring Salavador Allende. Members of the senior citizens group F.A.D.O.Q. (montreal branch) are invited to attend to broaden their outlook towards cultural groups.
Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at September 11, 2009 3:18 PMMaybe the CHRC should be going after Communists rather than Nazis, seeing as, according to Hélène Grand-Maître and her committee, there must be quite a few individuals in Canada "who might associate themselves with communism" of whom they don't want to be “unduly critical."
Grand-Maître (Big Master) opined about a name for the monument to victims of Communism (delete), then Totalitarianism (delete): "“We should make sure that we are politically correct in this designation.”
When were the totalitarian communists ever concerned about the sensibilities of their victims? GIVE ME A BREAK.
Grand-Maître and her National Capital Commission Committee: FIRE. THEM. ALL.
They can put it in my front yard, if Ottawa is too PC.
Posted by: Aaron at September 11, 2009 4:01 PMActually the monument will be a sculpture which will be in the former Jamaican pavilion at the site of Terre des Hommes on Notre Dame Island(Parc Jean Drapeau). Montreal is supporting this project, along with a Salvador Allende Foundation and the F.T.Q. labour group. The unveiling is today and will be attended by, among others, Mme Maya Fernandez Allende, granddaughter of Allende.
Montreal wants to honour this man (I am translating) "so attached to democratic values and human righs".
Posted by: Nicola Timmerman at September 11, 2009 4:04 PMOttawa...This has Dr. Dawg written all over it.
Posted by: RFC at September 11, 2009 4:10 PMYep .... Commies HATE the truth.
Posted by: OMMAG at September 11, 2009 7:00 PMA monument to merely good intentions for the perfect universe.
Posted by: reg dunlop at September 11, 2009 9:47 PMI think this might set a precedent for abolishing HRC's as they could be percieved as unduly critical of individuals who might associate themselves with national socialism. After all, Putin has just refurbished Stalin's image recently making him the savior of the motherland in the great patriotic war. I'm sure that if people just concentrated on Adolf's positives like his vegetarianism, his aversion to smoking and alcohol, his unceasing work to remove cancer causing chemicals from the workplace, his implementation of the first public healthcare system, his dedication to maintaining the natural habitat of Germany and other good works then some of his minor abberations could be overlooked. After all, if Stalin can be "rehabilitated" that means overlooking a much higher body count than Adolf ever managed to achieve. As Hans Rupprecht pointed out earlier, Stalin was 10 million up on Adolf before the first large scale concentration camp was even planned.
I've always found it curious why communism is tolerated by so many in this country and why they are so ready to ignore or disbelieve the history of communism as reflected in body counts it has racked up. I usually bring any discussions with such people to a rapid end when I let them know that I think the only good commie is a dead commie and my parents didn't flee a communist country in Europe so I could live under communism.
One way of making this monument more inclusive would be to dedicate it to the victims of statism although this would make N. American governments uncomfortable as it would mean including the Waco and Ruby Ridge dead among the victims.
norman bethune is still idolized in some circles of canadian society.
wont find me doing that.
Oz, "The Monument to the Victims of Socialism" covers it all. Had two great uncles and some of their sons that paid the price for Marx's experiment.
gord, "NDP prison camp", that would be wishful thinking of the part of the NDP at this point. No doubt, initially, the camps would be called "re-education" camps.
Posted by: Ken at September 11, 2009 11:03 PMMaybe a compromise is in order, we'll call it the Monument to the Victims of Communism, and the Ottawa bureaucrats can kneel down in the town square and we'll kick them in the ass.
A good old-fashioned Canadian compromise, or as we call it out west, a hockey game.
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at September 12, 2009 1:05 AM'Or perhaps she doesn't want to offend Gilles Duceppe, Bloc leader and former card carrying communist in Quebec.' Joe Molnar - thank-you for that fact, I did not know that fact. Most Canadians don't know that fact. What is that traitor, Stalin loving fool doing in the House of Commons? He belongs to an ideology that condones murder for political ends! Great Balls of Fire, Canadians! We are feeding and watering the enemy within. Have we lost all of our powers of reason?
The Russian people fought Stalin; we are inviting the Red Fox into the hen house - and we wonder why we pay and pay and pay for Quebec... are we being blackmailed? Things that make me go hummm?
Posted by: Jema54 at September 12, 2009 1:40 AMThe major reason people still believe in communism is that they have yet to realize that altruism is evil, and very different from benevolence.
Marxism isn't something that blew in out of a clear blue sky. It's part of the mainstream of philosophy, and was based on the work of Kant and Hegel preceding. You can read Ayn Rand for the antidote.
Posted by: nv53 at September 12, 2009 2:25 AMImmanuel Kant was a real pissant, who was very rarely stable.....(sorry, feeling a little punchy)
Posted by: tower at September 12, 2009 4:48 AMOz might be right about duceppe being part of the motive. (joey smallwood was a carded commie when he was in NYC btw). I bet there are lots more like duceppe in the BQ the ndp and the lp.
Posted by: Gord Tulk at September 12, 2009 7:47 AM