Now is the time at SDA when we schadenfreude !
Toronto Star, March 2008: "Obama would win in Canada: Poll"
National Post, Sept. 2009: "Canadian teams scramble as U.S. bans NHL charter flights"
h/t MaryM
Nothing Obama does catches the media so he finaly had to do something to ruffle Canadian feathers by attacking our Hockey teams.
What a guy this social communist marxist controlling narsasistic hockey hating weasle. (apologies to all weasles out there)
Pathetic that hockey would get peoples attention rather than what he is doing to the US.
Should send a real message to all the terrorists in the hockey legues. The bright sparks behind this one should be waterboarded until they admit that this is just a plan to keep the stanley cup in the states.
Posted by: peterj at September 5, 2009 12:39 AMapologies to all weasles out there
Does that include stoats?
Posted by: Joe at September 5, 2009 12:43 AMKate, perfect word to describe this. Why am I smiling?
Posted by: Ken at September 5, 2009 12:46 AMCanadian voters are amazing creatures. It's no wonder that Iggy is following the lead of the big Bummer in his campaigning. Just catchy phrases; shun actual details. "We can do better": so could my pee-wee girls hockey team when they lost every game all season. So could Custer, or Montcalm, or Napoleon at Waterloo, or the Liberal Party.
Just a dammed shame.
Amateur Hour in Washington continues. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. Choose your metaphor.
Posted by: nv53 at September 5, 2009 1:17 AMVisions of John Candy and 'Canadian Bacon'.
Hey doesn't Obama know Canadians walk on water?
Canadians just make sure the water is appropriately frozen and they are wearing skates.
Just another everyday miracle!
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
Army Group "True North"
1st St. Nicolaas Army
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6p_6wvByFg
Here's the Canadian Bacon clip, enjoy!
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
Army Group "True North"
1st St. Nicolaas Army
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HGPh8Hjyg8&feature=related
Best clip: When Candy says Canadian beer sucks!
Oh man fights on!
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht-Commander in Chief
Army Group "True North"
1st St. Nicolaas Army
I have little faith in the Canadian electorate,not after seeing screw face Chretien stay in charge for so long.What about Obama,has he not better things to do,like continuing to kill the state's economy,or brainwash school children.
Posted by: h.ryan at September 5, 2009 3:19 AMPer Gunney99's reference that Iggy Czardust's Liberal Spin-Wow Declaration 2x.0 (TM) states:
"We can do better"
I suggest a release update:
"Well, we hope we can do better, and that's what we're sticking to at this point."
Fun to hate Republicans, no fun to live with Democrats. At least you guys have the excuse that you really didn't vote for him. I get angry every time I see an Obama sticker.
Posted by: tim in vermont at September 5, 2009 7:28 AMI don't think this was aimed at Canadian teams. From the NP article, the Anaheim Ducks, Boston Bruins and the Milwaukee Bucks (Bball) use Jetz along with other US based teams not mentioned. It looks like a move to force these teams to use more expensive US based charter services that had the effect of cratering an existing agreement that will have greater negative result. I think this is that rule of unintended consequences kicking in. Sucking up to the US Pilots union for their electoral support causes international incident pissing off a broad spectrum of the population. Good move.
Posted by: Brian Mallard at September 5, 2009 8:32 AMLet's not forget the restricted trade directives that are still active.
The fact that an inept social worker leading a cabal of Alinski socialists to turn our greatest trading partner into a Chavez-styled economic backwater, has fooled so many Canadians with personality cult propagandizing, bodes ill for this nation.
It tells me the Canadian media oligarchs have done their job in conditioning the populace. The normalization of critical theory has established a self loathing and guilt over national success and self interest. The Canadian proletariat is ready for a totalistic messiah. Perhaps we can start building the gulags for dissenters.
Posted by: Jim at September 5, 2009 8:47 AMtest
Could Obama's tanking in the US be part of the reason Iggy and Libs in such a hurry to get to the polls?Gotta catch some of that remaining 'stardust'..and why aren't the Libs preaching about the Igster's 'close' connections in the WH???
Posted by: Sammy at September 5, 2009 8:53 AMunder the foto of the jet plane and the stop sign...
'wreck havoc'....
journos...our moral and phonetic superiors
I say, let's protest and keep the entire American Olympic team circling the State of Washington.
Posted by: Bec at September 5, 2009 9:43 AMNotwithstanding that I think that the less Obama and his crew focus on the economy and indoctrinating children, the better it is for both, I think the larger point is being missed - this isn't about screwing Canada, Canadian teams or the NHL. This is about Air Canada jets not using pilots that belong to the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. The fact that these charter jets have a self-contained crew, likely from Canada, means that there's less work for an American unionized pilot. Then follow the money - who were the biggest supporters of the big "Owe"? Unions.
Posted by: Andrew at September 5, 2009 10:05 AMThere is no second e in weasel.
And no offence taken ;-)
Posted by: Weasel Farmer at September 5, 2009 10:07 AMNow if GW Bush had done this.....
Posted by: David at September 5, 2009 10:07 AMThe fact that these charter jets have a self-contained crew, likely from Canada...
What nationality crew would you expect on an Air Canada jet?
Posted by: glasnost at September 5, 2009 10:24 AMBoy now this is change we can believe in.
Posted by: Rick Rae at September 5, 2009 10:26 AMLol. More schadenfreude please.
Posted by: K Stricker at September 5, 2009 10:40 AMWeasel Farmer,
No second e in weasel? You have me confused.
Posted by: Jon at September 5, 2009 10:40 AM"Now if GW Bush had done this.....
Posted by: David at September 5, 2009 10:07 AM"
Yeah, David! The lickspittle leftist propagandists in the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. Not that they care or know anything about economics but it'd be too good an opportunity for a cheap shot at Bush.
Posted by: Dave in Pa at September 5, 2009 11:06 AMGood reason to set up a Canadian division and only play the US teams for the cup.
Posted by: Steve at September 5, 2009 11:17 AMI don't much like Air Canada with it's prod wielding stewardesses and I think Hockey is a goons game, but compared to how I feel about Obama, you can call me a AC 777 flying Howie Meeker.
The current US administration is going to go down in history as America's African Experience. All megalomania and no brains.
Never again! Unless it's Thomas Sowell or Bill Cosby ... you know ... a black American person. Enough with the exotic snakes and their charmers.
Posted by: Momar at September 5, 2009 11:17 AMThe point seems to be that you fly in for your game, back out to Canada, then back in for your next game and that is all good.... lots of extra miles here... is not Obama the Green President?
So I think what they want is the teams fly in, then hire an American Charter for your road trip returning to were you started and fly back...Protectionism for US Charter Services.
So I say we make the US Team take a Charter BUS for their road trips while in Canada, that shoudl be received well....
Most NHL players are "radical extremists prone to violence with Eastern European ties" and since DHS seems to think Canada is a terrorist haven you can see how this plays in DC.
Simple...extend the exemption and stop messing with our national sport before we come down and burn the Whitehouse ... again.
Posted by: Illiquid Assets at September 5, 2009 11:51 AMThat poll was just outrageous piffle...the result of some leg-tingling by the GTA media and their fiction writing pollsters....absolute nonsense...
Mind you with consideration that Canada's population is top-heavy urban...to a degree the "American Idol" mentality is pervasive....
But then that betrays my well founded opinion that urbanites do not demonstrate either intelligence or maturity.....sorta like OBOZO---nominally educated but ill-informed, ill-read, with little knowledge of history and incapable of critical thinking.
There still does exist a remnant of "Saturday night hockey fever"---once a potent factor---recalling Montreal's biggest social disturbance--the hockey riot/
I see the NHL VP is as illiterate as the players,"wreck havoc". The expression is "wreak havoc", but no one teaches language anymore, unless it's non-English. Like "could care less", which states the opposite of what is intended.
The new regulation is probably pandering to US unions and airlines,but as Steve suggested , maybe it should be the incentive for Canada to have its own NHL division,and replace the missing teams in Winnipeg,Quebec,Hamilton.
Then Canadians could enjoy the East-West rivalry we have in football.
Each year I'll cheer for "anybody but Toronto".
Posted by: dmorris at September 5, 2009 11:59 AMDmorris,
Thanks for pointing out the grammar deficiencies that appear more and more in media and the public in general.
I hear everyone misusing the terms 'amount' and number' IE "an amount of people" rather than a number of people.
I hear allegedly educated commenters and writers misusing terms such as 'phenomena' and 'phenomenon', 'continual' and 'continuous', 'effect' and 'affect', 'nuclear' and the non word, 'nucular' and the list goes on.
I hear these and other errors from teachers, politicians, radio and TV personalities. These are the people who are trusted to keep the quality and correctness of our language healthy.
This tells me that the failure of our educational system has been on for at least two, maybe generations now.
Back to the topic .... these people vote and usually for whomever offers the most FREE STUFF for them! That is the real reason most people vote in elections.
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Our biggest problem is maybe not the economy or the war on terror, but rather it's our own diminishing level of education, knowledge and ability to cope with our ever changing modern world.
In other words ... at a time in history when we need smarts, self-reliance and innovation more than ever, we have the opposite. We have self-interested stupid opportunists running EVERYTHING!.
Sorry for the longish rant.
Posted by: Momar at September 5, 2009 12:33 PMSurprise! The present US administration is anti-Canadian! Who would ever have expected!
That is the stupidist thing about the pro-Obama Canadians. It required very little reading to
find that he, people in his administration such as Hillary Clinton, and the congressional leaders,
simply don't like us and do not mean us well.
Canadians who support the present US administration are either masochists or fools.
it isn't an obama thing.
it's a screw Canada U.S. regulatory thing. cousin to the screw nafta when it suits us thing.
finger pointing requires proper targetting just like on the firing range.
I'm amazed at the number of educated Canadians who still worship at the feet of the almighty O. The only big O I want is a White Spot burger.
Posted by: tranio at September 5, 2009 1:54 PMThe correct word to describe this is CABOTAGE. This is generally in effect in all countries. It is the practice of prohibiting ships from foreign countries from transporting freight or passengers within the country. With the advent of air travel, it was incorporated in those treaties. The US can't do it in Canada, and Canada can't do it within the US. It is possible to negotiate an exception to the cabotage, such as that affecting the NHL.
What is the difference between this and allowing Mexican or Canadian trucks to drop off and pick up loads within the US, and then continue on to another country? There also are all sorts of artificial air soverignty conditions, such as only allowing flights from DFW and St. Louis to land at Gatwick, and not Heathrow. Flights from Denver to Japan have to stop at San Francisco, LAX, or Seattle first, but flights from DFW can fly directly to KIX.
I'm not sure the US regulators are really stupid and are trying to cause problems. However there are cabotage rules that must be followed and when these foreign (to The US) aircraft start picking up passengers within The US and deplaning them within The US, they violate treaties that are the laws of both countries.
Posted by: Ol' Country Boy at September 5, 2009 2:33 PMIsn't it time for that Liberal twit from Traana to call the Americans bast*#ds again.
Posted by: Ken at September 5, 2009 3:12 PMmomar/dmorris
git a grip, any language is a MAN constucted tool, they didn't come down from the mount on tabliods,
the improper use of words can be confusing, and more so to the already confused, but h!ll, that is not the problem , nor indicative of the problems that face us today. Fact is you two remind me of the BS directed at Bush by the lefties for his verble gaffs. Which were due to his dyslexia, not his intelligence.
Posted by: GYM at September 5, 2009 4:21 PMIt doesn't matter if the canadian teams play, the pittsburgh penguin are going to win the cup this year, and the year after, and the year after
Posted by: Ben at September 5, 2009 5:21 PMdoes schadenfreude include the stuff they bring on themselves?
LOL !!!!
Well, I always thought Kate had a fairly erudite and thinking crew, what I considered to be typically Canadian. However, after re-reading the above comments, I fear that either she or Canadians that coment on her blog are ignorant idiots, who shoot off their mouths with paranoid insults at something they don't understand. The Canadians that I know personally are not like this. You are sounding worse than the liberal and conservative extremes in The US. Try thinking or investigating before you foolishly sound off. I thought I had accidently clicked on KOS or HA.
dmorris...
and all this time i thot it was REEK havoc
Posted by: john begley at September 5, 2009 8:50 PMol' country boy...
ah figger ah bedder eggsplain sumpin to you 'ol boy....we'en up heeyah don' take kindly to strangers talkin' trash to miz shaidle heeyah?
miz shaidle got a powerful lot of frens heeyahbout what appreciate herspeechifyin' heeyah?....an' she don' need no fast talkin' an' hell WE don't neither for folks jus' visitin' talkin' like some kinda high class city slicker talkin' down to her see...
jus' so you knows heeyah on in you show the liddle lady the respeck she deservin' heeyah?
Posted by: john begley at September 5, 2009 9:03 PMJohn Begley - Your idiomatic writing is similar to Mark Twains. However, I was under the impression this was Kate McMillian's Blog, not Kathy Shaidle's. Are you sure you are in the right blog? Are you lost? Or are you a perfect example of what I was commenting about - whacking at the keys before your brain is engaged. There is no spell check that can correct for stupidity. By the way; Celestial Junk really tears into Kathy Shaidle, IMHO rightfully so. Get back to me after you have pulled your head out.
Posted by: Ol' Country Boy at September 5, 2009 9:35 PMApopogy - I did not intend to include "she" in a preceding comment. I was just talking about the commenters, not Kate. I didn't notice my mistake.
Posted by: Ol' Country Boy at September 5, 2009 9:48 PM"The matter was pushed by the U.S. Air Line Pilots Association. It had demanded an investigation of passenger lists on the NHL flights, which found a few examples of injured players, personal trainers and team owners boarding the charter south of the border and departing at another U.S. city in a technical violation of the agreement."
Talk about nitpicking!
Just wait till McFartbrain conjures up a similar scheme in ont.
Posted by: reg dunlop at September 5, 2009 9:53 PMreg dunlop - It is only nit picking because you don't understand the law and cabotage. Please look it up. Cabotage is a soverignty issue and an international treaty issue. In The USA it is the law of the land. Yes, if you say, the ALPA reported it, so what? If Canada did not have the protection of Canadian cabotage, the American airlines would have all of your airline companies out of business in a trice. It is for your protection too. Since when is being reported for breaking the law nit picking?
Posted by: Ol' Country Boy at September 5, 2009 10:32 PMOl Contry Boy, there was an exception made during the Bush admin towards an efficient use of aircraft.
Maybe you should read the article..?
Yer blether haver.
Hoots lassie ar ye a Sassenach an yer a toty bit o trauchle.
Posted by: Jacobite at September 5, 2009 11:18 PMWhen in doubt, pass a law
"In Kentucky, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon more than six feet long."
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Posted by: ∞ at September 6, 2009 12:46 AMIf Canada did not have the protection of Canadian cabotage, the American airlines would have all of your airline companies out of business in a trice.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted by: randall g at September 6, 2009 3:35 AMIt is only nit picking because you don't understand the law and cabotage. ~ Ol'Country Boy
Can you quote the "the law and cabotage" as it applies to non-scheduled air services and more particularly to the international agreement relevant to the situation under discussion.
Otherwise I'd have to agree with reg dunlop - it's nitpicking.
Posted by: glasnost at September 6, 2009 11:07 AMThe law of cabotage essentially states that a foreign entity can not provide common carrier services, either scheduled or chartered, within the borders of a different country without special treaty or dispensation. There can be limits on that dispensation such as Air Canada had. But if they violate the terms of the dispensation, they can be embargoed. I think the original purpose was to provide protection from massive foreign competition (such as the merchantile British), and provide some control over the coastline and ports. This also keeps out carriers deemed unsafe.
I don't know if all countries practice cabotge. I think the EU may have eliminated it in some instances within the EU borders.
Essentially, though Air Canada had dispensation to land at several places in The US for their scheduled tour, and they may have had permission to pick up passengers with a Canada destination, they couldn't pick up those passengers at point A in The US, and deliver them to deplane at point B in The US. That is providing common carrier service.
That is really not nit picking, but I would think it would be a common action of a union to report this. I don't agree with unions doing this, but they can in a free country. Once it is reported, then The US government has to do someting about it. What should have happened is that the aircraft purser should have been fired for missing the violation and the captain fired for allowing it. The blame for this is on the aircraft crew and some faceless bureaucrat, not The US president, who any reasonable person would admit he would never know about it.
Posted by: Ol' Country Boy at September 6, 2009 11:38 AMC'mon, Canadians, just pay the bribes! A little lake front property, maybe, with a small cottage on it, to Rangel and Dodd, perhaps a few others, and this problem goes away. Pffft, it's gone. Yes, we can!
Posted by: NCBob at September 6, 2009 1:29 PMOl’ Country Boy ~ …they couldn't pick up those passengers at point A in The US, and deliver them to deplane at point B in The US…
…Once it is reported, then The US government has to do someting about it…The blame for this is on the aircraft crew and some faceless bureaucrat, not The US president…
You seem to be implying that a state cannot bestow cabotage freedoms on another state, which is not true. Alternatively you’re surmising the content of the Canada/USA agreement regarding these specific flights, and commenting on the nitpickiness of the violation without actually having knowledge of the details.
As to the US (Obama’s) government having to respond to a complaint; who's to say that the complaint wasn’t invited by the Obama team as a political ploy. That makes a lot more sense than believing that ALPA has a philosophical bee in their bonnet about this miniscule atom of traffic for which the two countries have a mutually beneficial agreement.
There IS a way around the cabotage rules. Air Canada should SELL some jets to the NHL teams. The teams then fly their OWN planes, privately, to their games in the US. The cabotage rules apply to commercial flights.
The teams, of course, would hire their pilots from Air Canada who would grant them leave, and the teams would least the planes *back* to Air Canada when the planes are not needed by the team.
(In reality, I suspect that AC does not actually own the plane,but would be 'selling' the remainder of the lease on the plane..)
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