Posted by Kate at August 26, 2009 6:30 PM“If they’re going to talk about Camelot, then we get to talk about The Lady in the Lake.” *
Monty Python meets Star Trek in Camelot. And here it is: the relevant Lady of the Lake footage, including the infamous quote: "Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government".
Posted by: Vitruvius at August 26, 2009 6:40 PMAnd why do they have to bring that up today? The guy is still friggin warm for goodness sakes.
Although it was a lousy thing that he did, I think he tried to make up for it over the years and I think at least for today he should be remembered for the good he did.
There are enough days to talk about Mary Jo.
Posted by: Aizlynne at August 26, 2009 6:51 PM"I think he tried to make up for it over the years"
No, he didn't.
Posted by: Kate at August 26, 2009 7:01 PMAizlynne: What good did Drunkennedy ever do that was good? He was on the wrong side of every issue, not to mention that killing Mary Jo then getting away with it could never be made up for. He and his family orchestrated a cover-up, then the psychopath went on to exercise ever greater power for far left causes.
The truly sad part of this whole sordid tale is that justice was never served ... the piece of shit got away with a murderous crime. I will never mourn the passing of psychopaths.
Posted by: Cjunk at August 26, 2009 7:06 PMDriving your wife to alcoholism, womanizing, drunkeness and elitism isn't what I would call redemption.
Posted by: speedy at August 26, 2009 7:09 PMWhoa. "Lousy thing he did"? Seriously? Telling someone you 'never took your finger off the chess piece' and then making a second move once you realise you're gonna get mated - that's a lousy move.
Getting drunk and messing around with very young campaign staff, none of which are your wife, boating and driving drunk to the point that you drive into the water and are subhuman enough to run away from a drowning woman IN SEVEN TO EIGHT FEET OF WATER? That's not a lousy move, that's subhuman.
I just want to say two things:
1. "Enough days to talk about Mary Jo" - when are those, exactly?
2. What "good" did he do?
No one would even be talking anymore about what happened many moons ago if this dirtbag had ever manned up to what he did. I can sit here today and keep my mouth shut, but not when someone's making excuses for the man. This coming from a guy who's not ashamed to say he purposely bought very cheap sparkling wine (not champagne) to drink with a bunch of friends when Trudeau died. But I've not done that today; Ted never affected me personally like Pierre Trudeau...come to think of it, not even as much as Gary Trudeau.
Like Kate's link and Jonah Goldberg's post earlier, I'll respond to this in the most respectful way I know how by taking the "if you don't have anything nice to say" approach, but if someone's trying to rewrite history and nominate him for sainthood, well, I'm just gonna get my dander up, thanks.
Respect your dead regardless of their views, if that's your thing, but don't lift the lid of the casket and then complain about the stench.
Posted by: Gen. Lee Wright at August 26, 2009 7:18 PMaizlynne
the car was in 10 feet (or less) of water, with about 2 hours of air for Marry trapped in it, she was found with her head UP near the floor boards. So she was alive for about 2 hours, waiting to be rescued. A rescue would have taken no more than 45 minutes, from the time Mr. Drunk left the car. Oh, drunkeness was a life long problem for Tedwad, as was treating women as only sex objects!!
Know what, Aizlynne? This is an excellent day to talk about Mary Jo, who didn't get to have the senator's extra 40+ years worth of days to whore around in and become a legendary Washington drunk in. I believe the old monstrosity should be remembered for exactly what he really was, and what he really did, not the glutinous nonsense poured out wholesale by the Kennedy publicity machine.
Posted by: Megaera at August 26, 2009 7:23 PMAizlynne,
He killed an innocent person, who had the misfortune of riding in the same car as he when he decided to drive drunk. Then he left her to die instead of doing the right thing by calling for help...so that he didn't have to go to jail. A person's life in exchange for his political career/freedom. I guess the Left can justify anything.
~~favill~~
Posted by: favill at August 26, 2009 7:23 PMThe Black Conservative Show: The DEAD KENNEDYS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSdAvD8cTeY
Well, count me in with Aizlynne's sentiments.
That being said, please note that "The Onion" didn't hold back . . . . . .
Posted by: Erik Larsen at August 26, 2009 7:54 PMWhoever came up with this phrase gets m;y vote for wit of the year (so far). I see at the Ace of Spades that it is just a Dave in Texas.
Posted by: GreyOne40 at August 26, 2009 8:03 PMVit:
I prefer the two following quotations:
Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
and
I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!
Posted by: KevinB at August 26, 2009 8:09 PMKennedy family has course on them
Celin DIon must sing new song of eyes on me for them they all die young or had bad life
may be not taking care of them may have bad health and security problmes around them or bad freind to bring more risk
plus what he saw waht happend to his two brother come on this man die of cancer brain it means he has pressure and sad life and like brain stroke or later lead to those cancer
this shows amount of pain around this family
I feel sorry for Kenddy family for thier lost
give it 3 minute silent
Good bloody riddance.
Posted by: dmorris at August 26, 2009 8:18 PM"He should be remembered for the good he did".
I'm trying I'm trying, I'm really, really trying....sorry drawing a complete blank. He was wrong on every issue I ever encountered and he was endowed with huge personal faults. Personally he always made me wish for term limits in the US senate. That was until the 'lady in the creek' then I was convinced that his seat should have been vacated as he warmed a cold jail cell.
Posted by: Joe at August 26, 2009 8:28 PMHe was a good guy. Trust me. I drrank with him all the time.
Posted by: bum at August 26, 2009 8:45 PM"he should be remembered for the good he did"
Read this in Mayor Quimby's voice, from the Simpsons.
"And when I returned, St. Peter, Mary Jo and the car were gone."
Posted by: tim in vermont at August 26, 2009 8:51 PMThose of you stating that the car was in 10 or 8 feet of water need to do your homework. It was in 4 feet of water. Mary Jo was trapped, but she crawled into the back seat, and crammed her head up into the floor boards where there was air(the car was upside down). The car then slowly settled into the mud, and Mary Jo eventually died as the water rose.
Ted (piece of shit) Kennedy fled while Mary Jo was more than alive and more than reachable.
Check any pics of the event on the net, or read through the documents on the case, and it'll amaze you that Americans ever elected this scum bag to anything.
I've got a few pics at Cjunk from a site that has now been pulled down, but there are plenty of pics around ... if you don't despise the drunk now ... you will after you see the pics.
http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/ted-kennedy.html
GreyOne40 @8:03 - The hilarious Jim Treacher said the funny thing. Dave in Texas was drawing attention to it.
Posted by: Black Mamba at August 26, 2009 9:00 PMRegarding a San Francisco Chronicle blogger stating:
"There would be no more fitting tribute to the passing of Ted Kennedy, than to pass a health-care reform bill by early fall."
was this rebuttal:
"There would be no more fitting tribute to the passing of Ted Kennedy, than to have a health-care reform bill driven off a bridge and drowned by early fall."
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/08/rush-was-right-dems-call-for-kennedy.html?showComment=1251298634646#c4521900322983419776
Posted by: Dave in AB at August 26, 2009 9:10 PMAll I can say is that the Dead Kennedys now have a back-up drunk. 'Nuff said. The man doesn't deserve the eulogizing he got, especially since he was a wealthy hypocrite who made his career on being a so-called "progressive"... sorta like Bob Rae. But I guess when you're a rich a$$hat espousing lefty causes, you get every excuse in the book... but try espousing personal responsibility and other out-moded ideals... watch out. I won't shed a tear over this bozo, nor would I shed a tear over any other Kennedy.... hypocrites the whole bunch, starting with nazi-loving daddy-o
Posted by: Tanker at August 26, 2009 9:26 PMThe blogosphere is awash with leftist accolades for the dear departed. How curious that the "friends of the proletariat" are lionizing the spoiled, rotten, drunken playboy son of a wealthy racketeer. A strange socialist role model indeed. In post-revolutionary Russia he would have been deemed a parasite and shot or shipped off to Siberia.
I don't subscribe to the hypocritic nonsense that one shouldn't speak ill of the dead. The swine was guilty of, at least, involunarty homicide (manslaughter) but, thanks to wealth and power, he walked away and continued to live a life of privilege for four decades.
Workers of the world, unite in praise of aristocracy at its worst. Braaack! (Spit)
Posted by: Zog at August 26, 2009 9:34 PM"There's some lovely mud over here"
Posted by: Dave from Mississauga at August 26, 2009 9:37 PMThere's something terribly unseemly about asking the world to pipe down about him taking a young woman's life,
so that we can celebrate his.
Posted by: biff at August 26, 2009 9:49 PMIt shouldn't be difficult to find the 2 pall-bearers....only 2 handles on a garbage can.......
Posted by: sasquatch at August 26, 2009 9:50 PMCome and sing along!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMqOe5iBQEI&feature=related
Saskwatch @ 9:50 pm, best comment ever.
Posted by: Louise at August 26, 2009 10:31 PMPlease. Please. Tell me that there isn't gonna be yet another funeral train hauling a rotting lefty carcass down the tracks.
Posted by: The Glengarrian at August 26, 2009 10:33 PMTed Kennedy becomes eligible to vote in Chicago.
Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment.
h/t - Theo
Posted by: Tenebris at August 26, 2009 10:55 PMSo,Nixon wanted to pass universal health care and Teddy opposed it,hmmmmm,could it be that he didnt want the republicans to bring it in? Sounds like crass politics to me.
Posted by: spike 1 at August 26, 2009 11:35 PMFrom CBC article comments... So long Camelot, long live Spamalot!
Posted by: Norman at August 26, 2009 11:41 PMThe end of an error.
Posted by: LEDA at August 26, 2009 11:54 PMfound at an other blog without reference to the writer
Ted Kennedy info:
1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.
2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops, the man can’t count to four. His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition) , pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him like “he” charged President Bush received.
3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of his “education” NEVER advancing past the rank of Private.
4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver’s license was never revoked. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959, amazing!!!
5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a “state secret” until in the 1980’s when the report was unsealed. Didn’t hear about that from the unbiased media, did we.
6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur’s keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.
7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party, after passing several houses and a fire station. Then two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying from asphyxiation not drowning, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car where it is surmised she may have survived several hours before running out of air. The Kennedy family began “calling in favors”, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopecne, and he didn’t call police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy’s “political enemies” have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne’s family received a payout from the Kennedy’s insurance policy, and never sued for the untimely death of their only child. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy’s family paid their attorney’s bills… a “token of friendship”?
8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors and is widely held as the “standard-bearer for liberalism”. In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries.
9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of and increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the Pious grilling he gave the last two Republican Supreme Court Nominees, as if he were the standard bearer for the nation in matters of right. What a pompous ass.
10. He was known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than “great American”.
drunken piece of shit that killed a woman, i wonder if the family of the woman he killed will be at his funeral, it's easy to be a champion of the poor when you have millions and millions of dollars yourself.
Posted by: DJ at August 27, 2009 12:13 AMi wonder if the family of the woman he killed will be at his funeral
Mary Jo Kopechne was an only child, her parents are dead now too.
Posted by: Oz at August 27, 2009 1:13 AMGood God,aizlynne. Are you going to be hosting a party,and not mentioning Sharon Tate when the psycho Mason croaks?
Posted by: Justthinkin at August 27, 2009 1:23 AMDarn....Manson...preview is my friend.
Posted by: Justthinkin at August 27, 2009 1:25 AM"Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent."
I cannot figure out what kept getting that man elected. If you are looking for evidence of the moral bankruptcy of the left, I’d say that his high status among the left is pretty good verification.
Then again, should I be surprised at all? They adore Che, who killed thousands, and many continue to make excuses for Communism, that killed millions.
History will not be kind to him. The only decent Kennedy was Robert. Killed by a Muslim of course. The secreat war had already begun with us ignorant of Jihad. Remember the olympic murders. Each generation this group has incresed the violence while waging lawfare.
Kennedy will go down as a murder who cared more for his political life than human.
A Statist who through welfare policies helped Johnson to create many bitter gettoized generations.
He may have been big in Washington, but his main expertise was dipsomania draped in corruption.
A good member in standing of the culture of death.
JMO
Strange women lying around in ponds is no basis for a system of government.
Posted by: Warren Z at August 27, 2009 8:53 AM""""The only decent Kennedy was Robert. Killed by a Muslim of course"""
robbies hand is all over M Munro's "suicide"
and look to Jonides (sp), X CIA, when analyzing robbies death
and "the muslim" could not have put the bullit in robbies head that entered from the rear!!!!
Perhaps more respect for this death might be forthcoming if the dems showed any themselves. Instead, they're busy hoisting dead teddy into the bully pulpit to promote health care. (Watch that crane, it's sagging!)
It's the same old tactic; chose an untouchable spokesman, then shriek when anyone objects.
And can you imagine the backroom scheming that's going on to replace him in the power hierarchy? I bet crocodile tears and champagne flowed in equal portions.
THE TALE OF CAMELOT'S LAST KING
KING TED: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
in that castle?
PUBLIC: Who wants to know, eh -- who does he think he is?
KING TED: I am your king!
PUBLIC: Well, I didn't vote for you.
KING TED: You don't vote for kings.
PUBLIC: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
KING TED: The Lady of the Lake,
[angels sing]
her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
Sir Ted of Hyannis Port, was to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
JIMMAH: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
aquatic ceremony.
KING TED: Be quiet!
Carter: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
KING TED: Shut up!
JIMMAH: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
put me away!
KING TED: Shut up! Will you shut up!
JIMMAH: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
KING TED: Shut up!
JIMMAH: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
KING TED: Bloody peasant!
JIMMAH: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that,
eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me,
you saw it didn't you?
Kennedycare! I don't want to end up like Mary Jo Kopechne, but I must admit the plan sounds much cheaper than it did last week.
Posted by: craig at August 27, 2009 10:01 AMThanks CJunk,,,,,
" Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty? "~ Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973
Hypocrisy is a Liberals best friend.
,
His body will be in the JFK library in Boston for people to visit, the casket will be closed so no one can spit on the scumbag.
Posted by: FREE at August 27, 2009 11:44 AMWow... just... wow.
I can only hope and pray that I don't know any of you, nor ever meet any of you outside of the internet.
If this is what the conservative right is all about, you can keep it.
As for Mary Jo. Yep, Kennedy was drunk and wrong. I'm sure all of you always do the right thing when you've been drinking. Maybe you might also consider that it was she that got into a car with a drunk, married man. But I guess that point of view ruins your post mortem lynching of the man. I only hope kinder words can be said of all of you when you die, though I highly doubt it.
Posted by: David at August 28, 2009 12:08 PMI happened upon this site looking for a possible commemorative logo from Google this weekend due to Senator Edward Kennedy's death. Especially after feeling encouraged due to the commemorative logo they provided for Michael Jackson yesterday.
I have to say, I haven't come upon this much hate, angst, and thinly veiled racism ( "(Remember forced school bussing in Boston?)" ) in a very, very long time! It's not just disappointing, it's sad really! However Mary Jo's death happened (murder, manslaughter, accident, whatever), it happened. And therefore it's over. People live, learn, grow and hopefully change. It seems that Sen. Kennedy did all those things and refused to be chained to his less than celebratory past by "negative ninnies" that have some sick and twisted vested interest in not allowing others to admit their mistakes, pay whatever pennance was meted out, and move on to see a better day in order to do better and be better also.
For all the bible thumpers out there, remember GOD used and continues to use faulted characters to advance his causes and commandments. (Remember that "drunk" Moses???) They were broken, but, with GOD's help, refused to be beaten! Sen. Kennedy is a true example of what being a "Changed Man" is all about. He deserves redemption, not hate and vitriol!
I, for one (and perhaps the ONLY one on this site), am truly blessed to have Sen. Kennedy and the Kennedy clan to grace this nation with their pressence. I am, and we are, the better for it. If you won't aknowledge him, then aknowledge his legislative work where he penned or co-penned more than 1,000 bills (over 300 himself alone). I am thankful for him and to him that I was able to attend college through student loans, buy a house through special gov't programs, not lose my job when I took time to give birth to my children or nurse them back to health. And so on, and so on...
Judge not, lest ye be judged. Let ye without sin cast the first stone. Spread love, not hate.
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