Follow the money.

Blair, 'blood money' and a Lockerbie deal: Talks with Gaddafi hours before BP agreement

By Ian Drury
Last updated at 9:41 AM on 20th August 2009

Gaddafi 'to send private jet to pick up bomber' from Glasgow
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Obama calls on Megrahi to be made to 'serve out his term'
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Megrahi's wife says bomber is 'very happy' to come home

Tony Blair has been accused of agreeing a 'blood money' deal involving the Lockerbie bomber with Colonel Gaddafi just hours before BP unveiled a £500million oil contract.

The then Prime Minister laid the foundations for the release of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi during a meeting with the Libyan leader in a desert tent two years ago.

The pair thrashed out a controversial prisoner transfer deal just before BP chairman Peter Sutherland announced the firm was investing $900million - about £545million - to search for oil in Libya. If the firm strikes rich, it could be worth £13billion.

The Scottish Government confirmed that its justice secretary Kenny MacAskill would announce Megrahi's fate at 1pm today.

It is widely expected that the terminally-ill 57-year-old, the only person convicted of the December 1988 bombing, will be freed on compassionate grounds.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1207772/Blair-blood-money-Lockerbie-deal-Talks-Gaddafi-hours-BP-agreement.html#ixzz0Ojfq9tG4

Can't we put a warrant for his arrest with Interpol, or something, so that he gets nabbed on his way to Libya and put in shackles?

PS: Now I know how to spell Libya. Almost.

I lived in Scotland for several years. I know very many Scots and can't believe that a large majority aren't opposed to this move. But I've been wrong (and disappointed) before.

Boycott all products made in Scotland.

He deserves exactly the same compassion and mercy he showed for the 270 dead and their families.

expand that boycott to all British products with Blair and BP involved.

i suppose he'd need a private jet.who'd let him near a commercial flight?

You know, there was a -reason- why the Highlands emptied into Canada and the USA.

Pity we aren't doing much better here. That Inderjit Singh Reyat feller is still wandering loose, eh?

Follow the money. Justice for the 270 lives so brutally snuffed out weighed against a potential £13 billion. What do you expect; the last time the British took any kind of principled stand was in 1940.

Paul D, you are mostly right. Thatcher took a principled stand regarding the Falklands and I hate to admit it, but socialist Blair did show some of the old British spunk. However the overall trend continues (and in France)and the "bleet" will fade away with the setting of the sun.

If this doesn't piss off everyone in the western world then nothing will. It is an explicit statement that our lives as passengers (or anywhere), are expendable and of secondary importance to the almighty dollar. Compassion in this case is nothing but verbal rubbish.
We live in a world that desperately desires to see justice rather than the corruption that currently runs the roost.
Nato soldiers around the world are risking their lives to stop terrorists like this and many have paid the ultimate price. How do you think they feel by this betrayal of their efforts?

This tells the tale.

"Saad Djebbar, a lawyer who has worked with the Libyan government on the case, told BBC radio that freeing Megrahi would be a huge boost to relations between Britain and the whole Arab world.

"Britain and Scotland will grow in the eyes of the Arab states," he said."

In the British Viles, "APPEASEMENT R US"

Phantom: I don't understand the connection you're making between the Highland Clearances and this event, but I'd be glad to hear.

Makes you want to put your pipes away for sure. Hopefully the sane people that are left will try to effect the change that will stop this sort of nonsense.

I think of this as a brilliant counter argument in favour of the death penalty. The social contract thats made when you don't execute a murderer is that he won't be released on the street to do it again, and that he'll be punished by remaining in jail for the rest of his life. Not good enough for statist judges, they have to push further and give compassion to those who deserve none. If this POS was already dead, there would be no ruling to make!

MJ, as I remember my history the Highland Clearances was a one-time deal, whereas the Scottish Diaspora went on until WWI.

Point being, if it was all so spiffy in Scotland they'd have stayed home, wouldn't they?

At the risk of committing the "no true Scotsman" logical falacy and having ET jump on me, I have to say that letting the Lockerbie bomber even live this long, let alone walk out of jail, doesn't really fit with Scottish tradition. We're more the pay-your-dues-you-sorry-b@st@rd types, historically speaking.

Nor does the F-ING news story fit with tradition. I quote:
"In Tripoli, Megrahi's wife Aisha said: "I am very, very happy. I am overjoyed, it is indescribable. It is a great moment which we have been waiting for for nine years. The house is full to bursting; everyone who loves Abdelbaset is with us," she told AFP by telephone."

Yeah, we're happy the paer wee lad is going home to the loving family he's been kept from all these years. Sorry about the wee misunderstanding, ducky.

Scots wa'f-ing hey.

It really doesn't get any worse than this for attempted appeasement. I don't care if there are doubts about his guilt. Judges and politicians are constantly interfering with the tools of justice our society creates. There should be NO compassionate discharges when one breaks one of the only natural rules of civilization.

More and more, these types of compassionate interference processes are costly lawyering procedures that legitimize human rights tribunals, prisoner rights groups and in general, revisionist and relativist mindsets which undermine society's basic rules: Justice and equality for all, including the bereaved families of terror victims. Their rights don't count.

I am in general, completely against the death penalty - but i understand that its use prevents this type of abuse in the legal system, and there are few crimes more worthy of a summary execution than this one. Instead, because of internationalist real-politik negotiators like Kissinger, consideration of current inter-national relations and their paramount driver, the underlying economic ties and dependencies, can create a situation like this.

The Scots don't deserve this meddling Euro/UN style of politicking. Freedom!

Is that 11 days in the big house for each victim?

I guess I shouldn't look at it that way... it seems on the light side.

The Scots (British) exported their brightest and best, and it shows.

Ah!!
the world is corrupt...
didn't we all know that already ?

Isn't it wonderful to see Obama's new era of "respect for America" at work.

Maybe they just wanted to save the money he would have cost the National Health System.

Kyla:

Naw, Scots aren't cheap, they're thrifty.

So now any would-be terrorist group has to do is recruit terminally ill bombers who, if caught, will be back on the street in no time on compassionate grounds.

Sweet.

"The United States deeply regrets the decision by the Scottish Executive to release Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi," a White House statement said.

"On this day, we extend our deepest sympathies to the families who live every day with the loss of their loved ones. We recognise the effects of such a loss weigh upon a family forever."

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, US lawmakers and relatives of the American dead had also fiercely opposed the move"

Does this mean that the next time the Hun Army decides to march west, blows through the Low Countries, kicks the crap out of France and is encamped on the eastern shores of the English channel that the USA will not send over its soldiers and equipment to bail England's terrorist appeasing ass out of the fire ?

C'mon Barry, be specific with us.

New Labour is resented as a Scottish political set-up in England. The Sassenachs think they're the ones who've been colonized by wankers, now.

so howcum Susan Atkins who [as] steadfastly [as any can be] claims to have accepted Jesus as her saviour, who is past her 'expiry date' (pun intended) from cancer and who was involved WITH OTHERS in the Sharon Tate murder of 4 people, not hundreds, will die in prison?

"the law is an ass" certainly in Not-So-Great-Britain.

cant Obama just wish him dead?

Im sure it was cleared with him first anyway.

Yup. So much for the old country. I'm glad my people came here while we still can.

Shame on us Scots. I suppose we'll see if there's anything left worth a damn after we see the results of the next election.

From syracuse.com...

Among those killed in the Pan Am bombing were 35 Syracuse University students, one Colgate University student, two students from Oswego State, and a couple from Clay.

Statement from Syracuse University on Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi
August 20, 2009

Kevin Morrow
(315) 443-3784

Statement from Syracuse University on Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi:

"During this time our thoughts are with the Pan Am Flight 103 victims and their families and, as always, keeping the memories alive of those we lost. From the beginning, we have wanted justice to be served in this case. Given the tremendous suffering this terrorist act caused to innocent citizens, their families, and their communities, we are extremely disappointed that Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi has been released."

If you put in about an hour's reading of Scottish online newspapers you will come away with the firm conviction that Scotland has become leftish. To me it came as no surprise that they have done this, it is the expected thing in a leftish state.

"Britain and Scotland will grow in the eyes of the Arab states."

So that's what it takes to improve relations with Arab states, eh? Free a mass murderer. Good that we all know that now: that all Arab states support mass murderers, regardless of their country of origin.

When I watched the clip of that announcement, the spokesman seemed extremely pleased with himself as if he was delivering a piece of profound wisdom. Or, worse yet, as if it was painfully obvious they had to let the guy go. What crap.
Lots of people die in jail; that's what happens some times.

Comrade Khaddafi has done a heroicand compassionate act by sending his private jet to take the freedom fighter back home.

The Peoples Republic of Scotland quite correctly spits in the eye of Amerikkka. What's the lives of 189 oppressors whose guilt is indisputable as willing serfs for the worst regime the world has even known?

Praise would have been to Allah if only there were 500 Amerikkkans on that fight which was gloriously destroyed to show the oppressor what the misery they have imposed on us feels like.

That's right. It's your fault, Amerikkka.

There isn't a man to be found in the entirety of the UK. Just whimpering, simpering, cowards who will serve their new Islamic masters like good little houseboys. Crikey, I swear the French couldn't roll over so fast or so willingly. Maybe you sorry lot deserve King Charles, an inbred idiot to reign over a nation of sheep.

MarionN
Scotland is Left and always has been.
It has been Labour Unions, Shipbuilding and Coal Mines for donkeys years.Kids taught to vote Labour because the rich don't do anything for the workers.
I had hoped that the Scottish National Party would open things up but only small improvements so far and this isn't one of them.
Alba gu brath!

all together now, death penalty. ok. now you know the solution to the problem and don't give me the same old crap about even one wrong execution is one too many. the bullshit conttinues.

marion m. scotland has been socialist for well over 100 years. when i was a young man many labour leaders, union stewarts etc were scottish.

Canadians love the English! They love them so much they let them,

1. Appoint their Heads of State.
2. Appoint their Prime Minister.
3. Appoint their Judges.
4. Appoint their Police Chiefs.
5. Appoint their Premiers.
6. Appoint their Ambassadors.
7. Appoint their Senators.
8. Give over ownership of their Armed Forces.
9. Give over ownership of their Federal Police.

Did I miss any?

To KPD: ????

I think you are thinking of the liarberal party of Canada

Well, if Obama is pissed at this waste of skin being released, he knows what he can do. Send a carrier or two to the Med, and bomb the living shiite out of whatever worthless town this terrorist calls home.

And maybe give loopy Khadaffi another special delivery from a flight of B52s.

But I won't be holding my breath awaiting this action.

Was a British-Libya oil deal at root in this?

"Last November, Britain signed a Prisoner Transfer Agreement with Libya, and hurried it through Parliament. This could refer only to Al-Megrahi and was evidently the necessary preliminary to letting him go — there are no other Libyans in British prisons or Britons in Libyan prisons. Al-Megrahi had appealed against his sentence, lost, but then put in a second appeal. This might well have cleared up whether he was guilty as charged, and satisfied the victims' families. But he could not be released while this second appeal was pending. Lo and behold! He withdraws this appeal, is suddenly revealed to have terminal cancer, and his boss, Muammar Gaddhafi, the Libyan dictator and hardened practitioner of terror, sends his private jet to Scotland."

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"The suspicion is that the British government cut a secret deal with Gaddhafi to return his agent for the sake of the lucrative oil and gas contracts that British companies are obtaining in Libya, but the truth of that will also probably never be known, to leave a general cloud of contempt for the British government and the way it does business."

http://pryce-jones.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjljYzJhZGY3YWUwZTA5ZDRkMmEzZTMzYjA0OTYyODk=

Awe, you left out the first sentence of that lovely quote.
Who will bet with me that this murdering scumbag's name is not on the US "No Fly" list, cause, you know, he was supposed to die in prison.

AFter reading through some of the comments coming from (I guess) mostly Scots and (some)English and a few (mainland Euro) commenters who were happy as all get out to see this piece of crap freed (with plenty of moral relativism and moral snobbery, and a few "f- you Yanks" and basically that those American victims somehow deserved it). I finally, as an American, am ready to give up.

Ok, I get it; finally after the last decade of being confronted with it all the time and thinking "not everyone must think that way", I get it -- the world hates Americans and America, and the world wishes us all dead (all of us; our soldiers, our civilians, down to the last infant and puppy dog). They'd not stop at that -- but would celebrate on our graves. So be it -- I used to care about the world. I don't anymore. I hope it burns. I'll laugh when it does -- even from beyond the grave if necessary.

"...terminally ill ..."

What are the chances he has a dramatic recovery now that he has been freed?

Too bad the scots don't have a version of Mossad to call on...

jane:

My post was a parody of the irrational hatred toward America from Mohammedans and the Marxists, with a bit of Rev. Wright thrown in.

Both groups consider individuals a threat to the collective and the confluence of Khaddafi and the Scottish commies clearly demonstrates a loss of moral compass.

Cheers

A caller on Charles Adler pointed out that, now that he's released, al-Megrahi's sentence works out to 4 weeks per victim.

Gord Tulk said "Too bad the scots don't have a version of Mossad to call on..."

The Rangers Supporters Club could handle this. They dinna werk Seterdays though cause of the fitba mind.

I just had a flashback of the front top of the plane i.e. cockpit section broken to pieces and a picture of that huge ditch in the ground when all that weight hit the ground.

may the deal-cutters have molten lead poured into their eye sockets for 100,000 years before sent to hell.

I dont blame Libya or ghadaffi for this latest chapter, I blame the british oil companies salivating at billions in profits.

Kenny MacKskill

http://www.kennymacaskill.co.uk/contact.html

Don't let this die with all the other news! I wasn't kidding about the boycott- esp. BP Petroleum!

SEt you free: you know, I didn't even pay attention to your post; just got done reading some of the British and Scottish papers, and got an eyeful -- but nothing really outstandingly different from a lot of the other stuff I've read for the past decade or so. So I wasn't even basing my response on what you'd written.

From what I've read, there is apparently some major oil deal in the works for BP -- but vile as that is, that has nothing to do with the tenor of some of the comments.

I remember when Lockerbie happened -- I felt horrid for the people on that plane, not even knowing the majority were Americans -- it was a short snippet that a plane had crashed, and most of my friends and I speculated it was the IRA that did it, and we felt awful for "the poor Brits on that flight". When it came out later in the day that the majority were Americans didn't change the sadness I felt for the victims, just brought it closer to home.

But now I'm beginning to realize that where a victim is from is more important than the fact that they are victims, and even whether or not they should be considered "victims".

It's an isolated incident. They have hospitals in prisons--if the guy was duying--that's where he should have died. If the Scots screwed up, the Scots are the ones who should who should a suffer the consequences for their actions. I'm sure the CIA has plans by now!!

It's an isolated incident. They have hospitals in prisons--if the guy was dying--that's where he should have died. If the Scots screwed up, the Scots are the ones who should who should a suffer the consequences for their actions. I'm sure the CIA has plans by now!!

Ain't it wonderful that the Scot's have compassion for this dying man. Kinda like throwing pearls before swine, as far as hoping that "they'll like us" though.

I'm kind of torn by this. I like the idea of compassion but I also like punishment for a crime done. Does that mean that every hideous monster gets out when they get terminally ill?

"Does that mean that every hideous monster gets out when they get terminally ill?

Posted by: Pat at August 20, 2009 7:02 PM "

Pat.....preferably they would.....after the disease is no longer terminal!

unknown jane said "But now I'm beginning to realize that where a victim is from is more important than the fact that they are victims,"

I wouldn't really say that. The victims are important but when your people are targeted then it's more important to you because you could also be a target or you could know the victims. I remember hearing about it and time stopped. I have family living in the area plus I thought the plane might be full of Scots. The sense of relief never tempered the level of anger at the perpetrators.

Of course the daily news seems to decide what level of outrage the general public should have depending who the victims are. The normal reaction would be to feel sorry for the victims and their families. Normal people have empathy for people facing tragedy. It's only psycho's who wouldn't feel sorry for these victims. Unfortunately the world seems to be run by psycho's. Well the newspapers anyway.

I think it's time to dust off the Declaration of Arbroath and make the idiots who pulled this stunt off read it.

Then the remaining sane Scots need to take steps to put its intent into place to ensure that this BS never happens again.

"He got the prostate cancer from eating bacon for breakfast." Pass it on.

Hey don't be so hard on him, Obama's looking out for us!
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bb5dac38-8d94-11de-93df-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1

Please, most men diagnosed with prostate cancer die of another old age system failure first. It's a very encapsulated and slow growing cancer taking decades to kill you. I'm not buying a word of his imminent death scenario.

Bottomline is that the British lefty slimes in power cut a slimeball terrorist for oil deal.

Hating our socialist overlords is a matter of morality and human decency. They are amoral pigs, we are not. It matters.

It's the British disease.............

Real Scotts Like Michael Kerr and Glasgow cabbie Alex McIlveen don't have bleeding heart problems.

McIlveen booted one of the knobs in the nuts in that fracas.

Folks, this and much like it, is what happens when we let effete limp-wrists and their Marxist fellow-travellers run things. While we were sleeping 50 years ago, they entered the educational system and taught their philosophy. Now we see the results in the media, justice system, educational system and elsewhere. Hopefully, the western world wakes up and sees that the death of western civilization or large areas of it will disappear in the coming decades.

Correction - We weren’t colonized by "Those wankers".

Our ancestors ran away from them.

Hope they refueled the plane with water.

Okay, haggis is officially off my menu.

my only hope is that he has the H1N1 along with the cancer to tack back home.

No, they kinna tek away our haggis!

Ken pretty well sums it up. Although we weren't all sleeping. The people who saw it all coming couldn't convince our sleeping friends what was around the corner. Then again that's because our sleeping friends don't read about history which means they don't really understand what's going on or where this leads. Which reaffirms what Ken said. They bad guys entered the education system.

Penny said. "Hating our socialist overlords is a matter of morality and human decency."

I just wanted to repeat that.

The Highland Clearances were mentioned earlier and well... it was ALL about the sheep... so it should come as no surprise that the Highland spirit of Scotland is now that of the animal that replaced the people of the land.

Somewhere, John Knox is complaining to the Management and is being counseled patience.

By releasing this mongrel, they are compounding the suffering of the victims and giving confidence to monsters who think blowing up people is a perfectly reasonable response to things.
What the hell is wrong with people?

And he get's a hero's welcome upon landing in Libya:

Hot Air

What the hell in deed?

This is how a people who invented soccor by using war fallen foes heads for a ball, & human toso's for posts. Ends.
Appeasers hoping to stave off their inevatable extinction by new barbarians.

Maybe we can get the US to send a 'special delivery' via an unmanned Predator to the 'overjoyed house that is full to bursting', and while we're at it, now with improved technology, Khaddafi's tent might also be in for a long awaited make-over.

My husband is very white and plus every body see him think he look like English some said Scottish or say is he Irish while he is not

Face of English and some German and original Aryan are similar face
While color never matter to me I noticed he gain alot by his look in Canadian society
Which I sometimes noticed how much people go by color and look of person to deal with him or her
People who are very white skin are similar behavior some times no matter where they come from
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I know live here long English and Irish and Scotish and Welsh and etc are not the same and not like each otehr well indeed pull thier culture stil
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There’s no one as Irish as Barack OBama- Corrigan Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkw8ip43Vk

This is funny film and made me laugh when I watched that
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In fact I meet so many people in Canada and see in relationship to doing business with Muslim as follows:
In my experience I saw Irish are more kind and more funny to me make you laugh people but if money come take your business easier than others
Keep them in business decision made sure have good lawyer if they bother you in between
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_English
In my experience I find them very polite, smart and never like to do business contact with Muslim or ever politely and penny less and good to used them for
Accounting not in business decision are tough serious people some I saw selfish to think about themselves more than others
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9uMJovuA_Y

Welsh are good people just order and ask with big cost and profit and lower with you but are honest people must respect them alot
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqfIjMJb88Y
http://www.eng.umu.se/city/Fredrik/city/scottish.htm
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English are good doctors and business and judge not to force them in time limit they do not do so many jobs in compare with us
Their women hard working but bossy and men are polite and not show up what is in their heart

This is my expertise with people I deal with them

Still with one glance I can not understand their look can be mix but their accent and their behavior show who they are and where they come from
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If the English women who most of them do not like Muslim women if their behavior get little bit changed we can expect their men changed easier because they are proud sometimes for nothing and I can not pretend to lie to some one when they deal with me, problmes wil get resolved sooner.

Boycott all products made in Scotland.
Posted by: Mortimer
expand that boycott to all British products with Blair and BP involved.
Posted by: Mortimer

Gee, mort, why not just limit yourself to only buying products advertised on Glenn Beck's show. But I guess there isn't much nutritional value in Shamwows.

But let's juxtapose, shall we.
On July 3, 1988, the Vincennes (Captain William C. Rogers III) shot down Iran Air Flight 655 Iran Air 655, carrying 290 passengers.
In 1990, President George H. W. Bush awarded Capt. Rogers the Legion of Merit decoration "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989."

On Wednesday 21 December 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[1] Eleven people in Lockerbie, southern Scotland, were killed as large sections of the plane fell in and around the town, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event has been named by the media as the Lockerbie Bombing.
In 2001, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan, was convicted of involvement in the bombing and sentenced to life imprisonment.

What, no tears for the murdered victims of Iran Air 665? Oh right, they were brown, and poor and didn't speak 'Merican.

Just sent MacAskill(hole) and the entire Scottish Parliament a note suggesting that the world might (today) be a better place if ole' Kenny was among the victims (God rest their souls).

Not terribly subtle, but , hey, I'm like that sometimes....

Interpol - come get me.

But let's juxtapose, shall we.
On July 3, 1988, the Vincennes (Captain William C. Rogers III) shot down Iran Air Flight 655 Iran Air 655, carrying 290 passengers.
In 1990, President George H. W. Bush awarded Capt. Rogers the Legion of Merit decoration "for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service as commanding officer ... from April 1987 to May 1989."

On Wednesday 21 December 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[1] Eleven people in Lockerbie, southern Scotland, were killed as large sections of the plane fell in and around the town, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event has been named by the media as the Lockerbie Bombing.
In 2001, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan, was convicted of involvement in the bombing and sentenced to life imprisonment.

What, no tears for the murdered victims of Iran Air 665? Oh right, they were brown, and poor and didn't speak 'Merican.

Oh- gee whiz phil-boy- that couldn't have been the airliner headed straight towards the American warship during the Gulf-war could it have been??? Oh me-oh my- I've never heard of anyone from that part of the world using human shields???

that couldn't have been the airliner headed straight towards the American warship during the Gulf-war could it have been??

What Gulf War was the US militarily engaged in, in 1988, mort?

Speaking of Iran, thousands are still marching in the streets.

sandmonkey.org has the pictures to prove it.

But of course, the Iranian passenger jet. That seems to be the moral equivalence of the day today.

We were guarding the Straits of Hormuz at the time, and the jet was hailed -- more than once, more than twice. It never returned the hails, and it was flying roughly the same trajectory as Iranian fighters used out of the same airport. It was very sad and there were definitely very awful mistakes made I won't deny that, but the crux of the matter is there was no intent to shoot down a passenger jet involved; there was no command to go out and shoot down a passenger jet, no impetus to do it just to do it. I don't believe that was the same situation as what happened in Lockerbie.

I do realize however that is the justification for many people, and the rationalization for their satisfaction. This is yet another example of what has led me to my present thoughts on the matter.

jane:

The moral equivalence of marxist agitators like philboy knows no shame.

Well, well. The British do have a price.

Saad Djebbar (linked article) is correct; Britain and Scotland will grow in the eyes of the Arab states, but only has a country whose people -- some anyway -- will trade their principles for a wad of cash.

This does not bode well at all.

"Some hate the English. I don't." it said in above title of this comment

the funny thing about peopel who say thier opionion about other people nobody like them and one of the reason peopel do not like English or American may because they interfer to some body else country busienss as they think they will help or direct them and has freedom to say their opinion freely as fact is sometimes painfull to hear

other funny thing I saw among English they like to go to , African country and Indian, Pakistan or among Arab countries or Iran while English are more welcome in Canada and Austrila or America
as much they go any where they like to go in differtn countries or race and colur

if so many Muslim planed to have neighborhood to English people you will see within two years all will go to farm and live far from Muslim to live with them they donot like to be in neighborhood with Muslim in Canada if Muslim find good price and become neighbor with rich high class English soon you will see their house FOR SALE which is make it fuuny
In conclsion what they do it to you they do not like to do it to them in thier own country but when they go to other counry they like to find way to link with them well outside of England USA and Canada not within country

they are not shame to even when you come close to thier table change their seat proof they do not like you to get close to them they act defensive

Ken and Penny expressed my thoughts on this egregious transgression of Justice. The Scottish people have always been more like cats than sheep - infighting is a tradition! - I am Scottish so I have 1st hand knowledge. Radical Union and uncomprimizing individualism are hallmarks of Scottish people.

Scotland the Brave is at a very LOW point in history, today - the nation of Sir William Wallace sold out to the English - again.

I am in support of his being released as he only has 3 months to live. No difference to letting out the great train robber.

pillboy asks: "What Gulf War was the US militarily engaged in, in 1988..."

The one where Regan had to bomb the hell out of Momar Qaddafi's house in 1986? Which Pan Am flight 103 was -revenge- for?

Or was it the one where the Iranian "students" held 53 Americans hostage until 1981 and Ronnie "Raygun" Regan got elected president, phoned them up and told them there was a new sheriff in town? We are still fighting that one, in case you hadn't noticed.

Proving, once again, that pillboy is a mentally challenged kid living in his mum's basement. Unlike you I lived through that time, pillboy. I remember it pretty well.

new, you live in the LEAST racist part of the LEAST racist country in the entire f-ing world. If people in Toronto are changing tables to get away from you, you're definetly acting weird.

Maybe if you stopped making an effort to stand out as both different and HOSTILE, people would stop looking at you funny. We aren't all Muslims here, so deal with it.

You wanna be a nun, join a convent. You wanna fit in with the rest of us, then fit in. Kids with green hair and 200 piercings get treated the same way you do, and for the same reason: they look funny.

Philboy writes:

"On Wednesday 21 December 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was destroyed by a bomb, killing all 243 passengers and 16 crew members.[1] Eleven people in Lockerbie, southern Scotland, were killed as large sections of the plane fell in and around the town, bringing total fatalities to 270. As a result, the event has been named by the media as the Lockerbie Bombing.
In 2001, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, a Libyan, was convicted of involvement in the bombing and sentenced to life imprisonment.

What, no tears for the murdered victims of Iran Air 665? Oh right, they were brown, and poor and didn't speak 'Merican."

What an ass. You are comparing an accident committed by a man defending his ship to an intentional act of murder/terrorism ?

You can thank Jimmy Carter for those deaths, as well as over a million other dead Iranians and Iraqis. I bet Jimmy Carter is one of your's though, so naturally he bears no responsibility for the deaths caused by his stupidity.

Somebody must be spiking the haggis. Maybe it's time to rebuild Hadrian's Wall to keep the Scottish lunacy contained.

Pillboy, asstard, new troll, big deal, NEXT!

We are ignoring another explanation. Perhaps El-Megrahi was framed to paint the Libyans as a scapegoat.

"The first suspects in the case were the Syrian-led Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command (PFLP-GC), a terror group backed by Iranian cash. But the first Gulf War altered diplomatic relations with Middle East nations, and Libya became the pariah state."

Police chief - Lockerbie evidence was faked.
http://news.scotsman.com/lockerbie/Police-chief-Lockerbie-evidence-was.2656485.jp

David Frum makes the allegation as well.
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/08/22/david-frum-why-so-little-outcry-from-washington-on-al-megrahi.aspx

It's simple really, all the Scots, Irish and Brits with some moxie emigrated and made something of themselves in the colonies, what remained behind in England were the ones that became wankers, what remained behind in the rest of the UK were too poor or not adventurous enough. That's my theory as a 2nd gen exodus Brit and I am sticking to it!

Maybe we'll never know the truth. I was reading Frum this morning about El_Megrahi not being the right man, but they did link El-Megrahi to buying the bomb parts in Malta. Remember this was during the hey day of all those Libyan run terrorist training camps.So the evidence still indicates that they convicted the right man.
Phil-boy.... do you know CheekFlaps? You sound like buds.

The one where Regan had to bomb the hell out of Momar Qaddafi's house in 1986? Which Pan Am flight 103 was -revenge- for?

Not to mention that 103 was more likely revenge for 655. And oh yes, Phantom, I had forgotten the war criminal/terrorist/child murderer Ronald Reagan wasted Qaddafi's infant daughter in that attempted hit.

But again... what war? The Vincennes was in Iranian territory trying to provoke Iranian gunboats to engage, providing the US with a Gulf of Tonkin cover. It wasn't an accident. It wasn't self defense.
And why were US warships doing that, one might ask?? Why, to intervene on behalf of Reagan's good friend, Saddam Hussein, in his war of aggression against Iran. Such good friends they were, Saddam assumed he had carte blanche to invade Kuwait two years later. And we all know how that turned out. Yeah, it's all jimmy Carter's fault. No doubt Tommy Douglas had his hand in there somewhere.

But let's juxtapose again, yes?
Irvine Welsh has more writing talent in one of his stool samples than Ayn Rand in her whole miserable existence.

sarge here

down the memory hole...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/082109a.html

ps ayn rand was a frickin' amphetamine addict...just like old adolf hitler...as a example of a coouple addled believers in the theory of unter and uber mensch