I agree!

Sorry, but there are some realities to consider here.

1. Canadians are a bunch of soft touch dumb-shits.

2. Gypsies are the sum of the earth. If you have ever had to deal with them you would know that. They are not the romantic weeping violin players gathered around a campfire with gorgeous waifs dancing in the night air while the men tend to horses. They are mostly thieves and bandits and they drive suvs and campers. They devastate any place they camp.

They are of course not the only scum trying to come here to suck off our taxes, scummers are coming from all over the world. And we let them in like the jerk-offs we are.

Time for a big big change.

Visas are a perfectly appropriate tool to manage who comes to OUR country and WHY they are here.

Take your bleeding heart to the next room and nurse it on someone elses dime boyo.

“…………the absurd Canadian proclamations about their treating everyone in the same way.”

I’ll agree – to be fair let’s not let any of them in!

……….and kick some out!

Certainly, the refugee policy is a mess, actually encouraging people to fly to Canada and immediately on landing, claim refugee status. The problem isn't in the Czech Republic but in Canada which admits refugees 'as if' they were automatic citizens.

Since Canada doesn't reject such claims right away but houses, feeds, and even gives them a work permit - with immediate full medical benefits, none of which are available to a genuine immigrant, this encourages people to use it as a rapid entry to Canada. No need to go through the vetting process of immigration.

If their refugee claim is refused, then, there are years of appeals (apparently, at least 7,000 appeals per year) and in many cases, they have disappeared into the underground community and can't be found to be deported (about 40,000).

Until Canada clears up its refugee policies - and with a minority government - is that possible for the Liberals and NDP will sabotage it as a 'human rights issue'.....then, inserting a stop-gap measure by introducing a type of vetting, such as the visa, is an efficient tactic.

I have no doubt that the Czech government is encouraging these Gypsies to come to Canada and claim refugee status.
They'll do anything to get rid of these people.

I sense, Momar, that you don't like Gypsies. Is that correct?

The government has taken the right interim step, but cleaning up the "refugee" mess should be the ultimate goal. Momar may not be 'politically correct' (liberal tm) but he/she is factually accurate. I lived in Europe and had my run-ins with the gypsies. I ruined a perfectly good umbrella smashing it across a gypsy kid who had his hand in my pocket. Let the Czechs clean up their problem while we exercise sovereignty (not EU whining) and clean up ours.

Why does the vision of an angry Czech not evoke feelings of terror?

Had some gypsies pick pocket two members of our tour group to Moscow last year. They should make model Liberal or NDP voters.

Jaeger is right the problem is the the refugee system not the Visas. For those who do not know the Visa process is intrusive, accusatory and denigrating for both the traveler and sponsor. Simply change the rules that if you are from a EU Nation you cannot apply for refugee status, simple and easy.

For anyone not familiar with the process...

Show me your bank statement before you can visit? Yes that is a requirement. I had to supply a bank statement as well as the sponsor to prove if anything happened I could look after the person. I also had a phone interview and it was not very polite, basically an interrogation.

The Back Story...

I had a friend who owned a home in Czech Rep., had a job there and supplied the employment offer, but only had about $1000 Can Eqv in the bank because there was money coming in from a last job (was in between jobs and taking a break before starting new one) which would be deposited before the travel date, they refused the Visa.

This person was wealthier than me at the time, counting investments, home, etc. and was refused because of not having enough money and was in between jobs.

As a consequence this person will never visit Canada EVER.

Czechs can be pretty mean, when they've had too much Sliebovicz or something like that, at New Years, they have been known to get very, very sarcastic. Also, they tease about having a real culture and all we've got is Tim Hortons.

The cure for it all is to tell them, quite straight-faced, to bu**er off back to Slovakia.

Then they get really, really angry and explode.

Aviator:
What does "tm" mean, as in "liberal tm"?

I agree with ET. With a minority government, and an immigration system saturated with corrupt Lieberal appointees, the necessary changes to the entire system will inevitably be sabotaged by the opposition. In the interim, imposing visa requirements is just fine. If the Czechs and Mexicans don't like it, too damned bad. Stay home

I'm not a fan of gypsies and I don't believe they are victims of anything. Most of the ones I've encountered in Europe are able bodied and make their living begging in tourist areas. They are not legitimate refugees.

Imposing a visa restriction on a country that will in the EU soon causing an International incident will cause far more problems for this government then it will solve.

The Czech Republic is a country with a free market spirit in the EU and they are an important ally.

This is real culprit is the Canadian welfare state. It should be easy for Canada to boot out false refugee claims. Seems to be a case of passing the buck.

Agree with you, Jaeger. There should be a list of countries that you simply can't initiate a refugee claim from. Any country in the EU, the US, and Mexico for starters (Mexicans are flooding the system right now, every one with the same unprovable claim of inescapable gang violence).

Now, other commenters here seem to have issues with actually trying to convince people that this is a good thing. For a conservative, it's a good thing b/c it saves money and uses less gov't bureaucracy. For everybody, including a Liberal, it would be a good thing because actual people who need asylum can get it sooner.

(Only downside is that you really piss off China -- chances of them doing anything besides sputter is almost nil).

It should be noted that the flaws in the system that require visas have not been removed due to resistance on the part of the liberal party. And it should further be noted that warren Kinsella on his website is raking the conservatives and Jason Kenny for the visa action. Presumably this means that the liberals in general favour letting more gypsies (and illegals from Mexico) into Canada.

Someone should publically call them on it.

Why does the Left believe that everyone has a right to Immigrate to Canada? No One Is Illegal?
Drop into a Med Lab or Day Surgery waiting room and see who is getting the Health Care we are paying for.

A friend of mine in University came to Canada from Poland with her parents when she was five.
I always used to tease (and fight with) her for being extremely politically correct. Indian Sentencing Circles were better than the North American Legal System, women are discriminated against ruthlessly in the west, gays... well, the whole routine.

But mention Gypsies and the first thing you'd hear was "f*(&ing dirtbags!"

I always found that very funny.

And yes, the insomnia is getting to me.

Reworking the system might be a good idea, but the first step is to stop the problem. These policies exist to benefit Canada and Canadians, not to be nice to the rest of the world. Some people find this idea shocking and constantly look for someone else to blame.

I have a friend from Austria that has a tale much like Black Mamba's. When he was a kid the family never had much. His pride and joy was his bicycle. He still gets upset when he says 'the gypsys stole it.'

Most Canadians want less immigration, immigrants are more likely to be unemployed or on welfare than most Canadians.

The economy is shedding jobs, why do we want more people to do fewer jobs?

When I was on a bus tour of Europe the tour guide would yell whenever he spotted a Gypsy. On our bus they tried to rob 8 people in 2 weeks mostly in italy. Ignatieff wants more Canadians like that, woo hoo.

The Liberal Left are proving once again they're idiots. How could anyone who cares about this country not agree with demanding Visas for those coming here? Are we going to become the dump-off of the world?

Kelly McParland in the National Post today: "Why we can't fix our abuse-prone refugee system" has a good take on it. So we have the usual Liberal Left, including Boob Rae, who oppose any action on what is a very serious problem that needs serious attention.

Wow . . 70% unemployment rate !

Prime immigrant material.

dp wrote:

Why does the vision of an angry Czech not evoke feelings of terror?

My wife is Czech. Obviously you have not met her.

Peter O'Donnell wrote:

Czechs can be pretty mean, when they've had too much Sliebovicz or something like that, at New Years, they have been known to get very, very sarcastic. Also, they tease about having a real culture and all we've got is Tim Hortons.

The cure for it all is to tell them, quite straight-faced, to bu**er off back to Slovakia.

Then they get really, really angry and explode.

My wife is Czech. Obviously you HAVE met her.

illiquid assets - that's a strange account of visa applications.

I've had to take out visa's for travels to conferences in Russia, the Czech Republic, Estonia - and not a single question on the form referred to my finances. What they required was a copy of my invitation to the conference. That's all.

I don't recall the questions asked of tourists who are not attending a specific event, but I don't recall any questions on the general form about finances.

By the way, the Czech Republic did require a visa for entrance a few years ago, and Canada required one for Czech visitors.

I grew up a neighborhood in Czech that had many gypsies. Even went to school with many of them. They really did live up to their stereotype. Although I should not say this because these days, apparently, even pointing out facts is racist.

I still hear from my relatives that live there that things have not changed. If anything, the gypsies have gotten whinier, more entitled, less productive (if that is possible,) and more "oppressed", demanding more funding from the Czech govt. As far as I know, the Czech govt jumps through hoops to make them happy. Does any of this sound familiar with any of the Canadian oppressed, entitled minorities?

P.S. Slovakia is a different country, and telling a Czech to b***er off to Slovakia is like telling a Canadian to b***er off to the US. I do not need Sliebovicz to get sarcastic and complain about real cultures. It just comes naturally.

Should it not be that any visitor 'except Americans' should require a travel visa. It should be set up as the the same system as the 'Australians'.

ET: getting a visa to Canada involves a whole lot of opening the books on finances. And having letters of invitation. And proving you have incentives that will entice you to return from whence you came, like gainful employment and assets.

In the unlikely event that this Czech visa episode leads to Canadians needing visas to visit the EU, you will in time come to appreciate the similarly intrusive body cavity probing involved in getting a Schengen or a British visa.

rete - why wouldn't a government official be suspicious of someone applying for a Canadian visa, as a tourist, and yet, be someone 'without gainful employment'? You make it sound as if having such an asset is unacceptable. How can one be a tourist without gainful employment? Could you answer that?

Again, our refugee process is a joke. It actually functions as an easy way to circumvent the immigration process AND get full welfare benefits, health care, and a work permit, while you wait and wait for the reply, and ignore any and all deportation orders.

A genuine immigrant must apply to Canada with their own money - not the case for a refugee. And support themselves when they come - not the case for a refugee who is supported fully by the taxpayer. And be in the country for at least three months before applying for medical care - not the case for a refugee. And must wait and go through the point system of acceptance in order to be accepted and be allowed to work - not the case for a refugee.

Therefore, with such a Benefits Package instantly available to come to Canada as a refugee, rather than as an immigrant, of course people will use it. If they aren't accepted, there are years and years and years of appeals. Then, they can appeal on 'humanitarian grounds' because they now have children who will be 'traumatized' by having to leave their school friends..and so on.

Most countries have lists of nations whose citizens are unacceptable as refugees because they are defined as democratic. Not so Canada, which takes one and all - part of our Liberal Legacy. Result? Extreme abuse of the system, unfairness to genuine immigrants, and a great cost to the taxpayer to support these Easy Immigrants.

I am somewhat versed with the Canadian situation; I live in Red Ed's people's paradise - Albertopia. And I'm well aware of the "Singh v Canada" case of 1985 where Trudeau's uber-liberal supreme court appointments burdened us with the world's most generous refugee protection system. Yes, Canada receives 10% of all applications to 51 countries tracked by the UNHCR, second only to the USA with 13%. So I am not disputing that Kenney realistically had no choice but to introduce these visas.

My comment to you was simply that you are obviously not that well versed with what it takes to get a Canadian TRV. The paperwork you need include bank statements, letter from employer or details of self employment (where you come from, not in Canada), details of assets such as property, invitation from a sponsor, paid and confirmed accommodation, paid airline tickets (if you fly, which most Czech visitors will) attached to several pages of CIC application forms.

It's a pain in the ass. Czech's are right to be pissed about it. And, in the unlikely event that they convince their fellow EU members that a solidarity visa for us Canadians are in order, getting that Schengen or British visa is equally or more intrusive.

my comment above is to ET.

Do we need the Czech Republic and the rest of Europe to send Borat and his incestuous family to Canada?

piss on em all. visas for everyone. no exceptions. and they should have to jump through hoops to get em. lots of hoops.

Not all gypsies, of course, are thieves, but a large number of them are, especially those who try to wriggle their way into other countries (the decent ones usually stay in their respective native countries).

Canada has a duty to protect its citizens from harm; the new visa requirements are therefore absolutely necessary and long overdue.

But it's true: we also have to reform our refugee system. Canada has been abused and defrauded for far too long.

RSP: "tm" = "trade mark", since political correctness seems to be wholly owned by the LPC. BTW, such countries as Bermuda require arriving tourists to show their return ticket; that should be the bare minimum for arrivals here.

Posted by: Illiquid Assets>

“For those who do not know the Visa process is intrusive, accusatory and denigrating for both the traveler and sponsor.”

That’s one statement I’d definitely have to call BULL on.

I travel to many countries per year, requiring at least ½ a dozen or more working/ business visas per year. These visas cover everything from, Commonwealth countries such as India and Australia to Communist countries such as Vietnam and China. I’ve also worked and lived in many of the North African and Middle Eastern Islamic regimes. There is nothing troublesome of denigrating about getting visa’s for any of these places aside from the discomfort of providing a passport for a few days and filling out some generic personal questions. The purpose of these visas is to provide the authorities with the means to make criminal background checks, and to properly document foreign workers for taxation purposes. I have never been asked anything personal about medical or financial records. The exception being India (the worst for this) and a few Islamic countries which wants’ to know your parental ancestry or “pedigree” more closely including parents addresses ect – This is so that they know where you fit into their racist cast system better. With Islamic counties it’s to insure you have no Jewish ancestry.

The worst inconvenience I have received to date has been in the more corrupt third world countries, (for whatever reason) where I’ve had to take out 20 minutes of my time to visit the local police station/ immigration office to be politely interviewed by a detective and have had my fingerprints & photo taken (Algeria, Indonesia). These were for long term PR visas.

There is nothing indignant about it! We as Canadians are the planets fools, who don’t care who comes or goes from our lands. It’s a joke amongst foreign nationals in other countries who have told me as much.

Another point is that Canada is probably the only country I can think of, that you don’t need to pass through customs on departure i:e get your passport swiped to let the authorities know you have now left the country. Why is that? Everyone else in the world takes inventory of who’s coming in AND who’s going out!

I used to have the joy of working as an Immigration officer in the UK. Prior to the Czech Republic joining the EU we had on average most nights about 30-50 gypsy families turn up (along with all the other deadbeats Turks, Somalis, Afghans, Iraqis etc. etc. etc.) They were all put into the asylum system and their cases were all funded by legal aid. Including endless bullshit appeals. Their claims for asylum were pathetic. The usual excuse was "a skinhead spat at me in the street" Roma gypsies are badly treated in much of Eastern Europe but they do little to help themselves but actual persecution is rare.

One thing that used to happen quite a lot was gypsy asylum claimants turning up at our office a few months or years after arrival and then claim one of their relatives had died or some other BS story and that they had to go back home immediately. Of course they couldn't afford to pay for their own ticket back to the Czech Republic so we would arrange the flight back home at public expense. This would generally run into hundreds if not thousands of pounds. They would sign a disclaimer stating they no longer feared persecution (ho, ho, ho) and off they went. A few weeks later they would be back with a fresh asylum claim and it would all start again. The other trick they would use when their asylum claim had been assessed and found to be totally bogus was to change the main applicant. They would start out as the husband being principle applicant. When his claim failed the wife would claim as the principal applicant and so it would go on. We used to get a regular influx towards the shoplifting season (Christmas)

Canada slapping a visa requirement on Czechs will inconvenience a few people but if it keeps some of the Roma out of Canada it will be worth all the hassle. What surprises me though is they don't require visas for Slovaks. There is no shortage of Slovak gypsies though by now I suspect most of them are on welfare in Britain.

I will give you just one example of how these people operate. We removed a family to Romania some years ago. The whole family were "known to police" having been involved in shoplifting, breaking and entering and a gypsy favourite "distraction burglary" essentially a big group including children turn up at a small village shop where they hound the shopkeeper and meanwhile the children loot the shop. This particular family were going back to Romania because the police were basically giving them too much heat. Customs decided to search them before allowing them to board the plane. They found they were concealing £30,000 ($50,000) in cash. Now considering not one of them had ever been employed they found it hard to explain how they had built up such a pile of cash.

Doubtless you will have seen the news a few weeks back where Gypsies were "persecuted" in Northern Ireland. Quite why Romanians with no jobs would travel to Northern Ireland with its relatively high unemployment was not explained. Neither was it explained how these people who have never contributed a bean in tax or "national insurance" are given public housing to live in at the expense of the locals who have been on council house waiting lists often for years.

Trust me Canada is a lot better off without these people.

And what's even worse, we have an army of scumbag lawyers perpetuating this travesty by exploiting the situation and getting rich doing so!
How did this country ever get so royally screwed up?

Posted by: LT >

Good firsthand experience LT, thanks for sharing.

People of western countries have lost all capacity to understand what “culture” really means!

The influences of Hollywood I would imagine, and the glamorization of everything that is non indigenous white European. That’s not a racist comment, it is a valid observation. Couple this with a poor and slanted modern educational system and we will load our countries up with African black magic practitioners for the cultural enrichment. A pathetic reality of our weakness as a spoiled, ungrateful society and loss of identity.

I commented on Lubus' blog a few days back and finally got around to linking it in to my blog this morning.

The Gypsy culture is so broken, letting these people in to abuse our overgenerous welfare system is just asking for trouble. Why is it so hard for Canadians to admit that there is such a thing as a broken culture?