Western society is sabotaging our own efforts to survive.

I'm thinking this may be the proof of natural selection weeding the stupid out of the gene pool that even the vatican won't be able to deny...

Ogabe's poll numbers dropping..."Look a puppy!"

I can understand why George W. wouldn't want to kill Al Qaeda leaders. His lazy hazy crazy days at Camp David would have been interrupted by having to pay attention to domestic problems.

War is just a convenient method to pre-occupy the masses while politicians do what they do best…kiss the asses of their campaign contributors.

NSES,

Yup. If W had paid more attention to domestic issues he could have stopped Barney Frank and the democrats from wrecking the economy.

And as for kissing the asses of campaign contributors, all politicians do that but Barry Obamination seems to have perfected the actual payoffs better than most. Given he comes from Chicago, that isn't surprising.

NSES;

Are we to assume that you are among those who also thinks that it was Bush and the CIA who took down the WTC. If so, talk to your doctor about your meds. New stuff comes on the market all the time specifically created to address pernicious side effects of the sort you apparently suffer from. In the meantime, electric razors only, no razor blades, and stay away from any sharp kitchen utensils.

I'm shocked.....shocked.....
BamBam has failed because he has yet to arrange a face to face meeting with OBL, so he can bow to him.....before nominating him for a Nobel prize....
(sarc off)

So does this now mean Director Leon Panetta and Obama are saving bin-Ladens ass?
Will they meet somewhere and Obama will bow down to Osama like he did to the king of Saud and all will be well in the world?
I think ET on SDA posts has Obama's number down to a "T".
Too bad US and Canadian MSM are asleep or still slobbering over "O".
Be ware folks south of 49, you have a Pierre Trudeau clone leading you.

This is an Obama administration's tactic to divert attention from his failures.

This include his disastrous 'Stimulus Bill' which has not only failed to stimulate but has increased the debt by trillions. That's what pork does - and that's what that 'Obama Bill' was all about - buying Democrat votes.

And there's his Health Bill, and his Cap and Trade - all of which he's trying to ram through Congress by setting up an emotional hysteria of 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling' - if you don't pass these bills. Without reading them.

He's attempted to reduce Congress to a rubber stamp and to keep the people in a state of constant fear and apprehension.

It hasn't been working; his negative polls are rising, and more and more commenters and political pundits are criticizing him. Obama doesn't accept criticism. So, this Bush-is-Evil strategy is an emotional diversion to deflect attention from Obama-as-Evil.

It won't work. Facts eventually overcome fiction.

From the WSJ: "Attorney General Eric Holder is considering whether to order a criminal probe into whether treatment of terrorism detainees exceeded guidelines set by the Justice Department, administration officials said."

Just to clarify: the same DOJ, under Eric Holder, that dropped charges against the three Black Panthers who menaced voters in Philadelphia outside a polling building after the three men refused to show up in court to address the charges, the same Department of Justice which ruled that the state of Georgia's requirement that voters provide verification of citizenship -- a driver's license or Social Security card -- was "discriminatory", are now announcing a criminal probe into the previous administration's treatment of terrorists.

So, let's see: Obama's DOJ circles the wagons around Black Panther thugs who wield nightsticks and threaten voters, and around non-citizens who try to vote, while prosecuting public servants of a previous (non-Dem) government who were acting to keep the country safe from terrorism.

Yep, we's gots change alright.

This whole story is just a warning shot to Cheney to keep his mouth shut or go bankrupt defending his 8 years as VP. No dissent is allowed as long as Obama is POTUS.

Afghanistan has no book depositories, Lincoln convertibles or grassy knolls to work with...Give the CIA a break will ya ;-)

"Be ware folks south of 49, you have a Pierre Trudeau clone leading you"
Joe Molnar

Funny, I thought Jack Layton was the DNA match...

Be ware folks south of 49, you have a Pierre Trudeau clone leading you.

Actually, this clown is worse. Trudeau only messed up Canada; this maniac's policies will have worldwide impact.

Heh - and even trudeau, as over-reactive as he was, wasn't afraid to go after terrorists. Obama sucks up to them.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

I thought targeted assassinations were a no-no in the US. They can lob cruise missiles, but a single bullet is verbotten. It's no wonder these non-elected types have trouble making decisions. If the CIA chief had actually pulled it off, we'd be hearing calls for his prosecution for war crimes.

Remember Ari Fleischer's comment, in 2001, that it would only take one bullet to end Saddam's reign? He was talking about an Iraqi bullet, of course. Think how much bloodshed could have been spared if the CIA had done the deed.

RHTT-
You may be correct about Layton's DNA match-
actually I think of Taliban Jack as more of a Vladimir Lenin reincarnation, sort of looks alike, no?
Nonetheless, Obama's Dems are the scary lot, since they have a stranglehold and can pass legislation that doesn't even require being fully read.

Why target Bin Laden for asassination? He's not the problem. 9/11 was mass hallucination, and did not happen. Its a conspiracy to blame some foreigner for that non-event. This is an open invitation to all those who hate the US, come on over and do your worst. Lets play game show politics. No penalty, no pain if you appeal to the rewriters of history that dominate the left in American society. American citizens are not worth protecting only those misunderstood jihadists.

Dear Dems: You're Mommy probably didn't write you a memo saying people usually cast away thumb sucking and bed wetting around the age of 3. I know, I know, your're probably embarassed you've gone all these years without realizing that, or are you?.

Sotomayor confirmation.

jeez i have no idea why anyone would want to keep something from congress or the senate. those people a the very soul of discresion. sarc off.

The USA legislated that Foreign Leaders and Members of Governments of Sovereign Nations could no longer be targetted for assassination by the CIA.

Bin Laden is not in that group, so this is as others suggest is simply a blame Bush because that got us elected campaign.

Obama is PO'ed this Morning and his announcement regarding his new Surgeon General ( a clinic owner from a shrimping town in the south ) he gave his American People gave me a mandate and the Sheriff is back in town speech on Healthcare reform.

He is losing control, the polls and the manipulated media are starting to turn against him, and it is scaring the crap out of him, you could see it in his eyes.

I would like to exploded something up the main stream media's assinine & biased reporting. (Sorry don't spel so good.)

"This is an Obama administration's tactic to divert attention from his failures."

BINGO !!

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO !!!!

When you are failing, deflect, switch channels or pray for a foreign imposed crisis.

Obamassiah is going for option 1 & 2.

RFC called it.

Nice to see Barry's still playing from the Bill Clinton handbook. Man, I can hardly wait to see what his Klingon wife does to him when the stained blue dress shows up. She's hefty!

Yes, a tactic to divert attention.

Today's Rasmussen continues the negative trend; Obama's stong approval vs strong disapproval index is minus 8 and it's been in the negatives for over a week. His general approval rating is 53 to 46. obama began slipping from his original index of plus 28 and an approval of 65 to 38, the beginning of March. A month and a half after taking office.

He's now rapidly losing his appeal, and he and his administration will move to drastic measures. His problem is: reality. How does he control it and prevent it infringing (yes, I mean that word) on his 'utopian text'?

He'll deny reality - as he lies and tells the people that his stimulus package IS working.

He'll blame those who reject his fictional account. So, his statement of his success means that people are just too dumb to see it.

He'll blame others for messing things up. He'll start to accuse people of bungling things.

He'll divide the people - he's good at that, dividing people into adversarial groups by race, class, income, work, political party. He's dividing his administration, setting up the CIA vs Congress. He'll do more of that.

He'll divert attention - and he's doing that with his Blame Bush scenario.

He'll retreat more and more to an isolate cocoon of sycophants - his appointed, unaccountable 'czars'.

He'll do more carefully scripted controlled public town halls - he'll be trying to regain the Magic Moments of Adoration.
And more foreign visits.

None of this will work. Facts have a nasty way of intruding on fiction. Since Obama can't live within a factual world and only within a fictional world - I'm not sure what will happen next.

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dear president mcdreamy... there's a reason it's
called "war"... and not "circle of friends".

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It's truly incredible how low the Dimmis will sink in order to get there way. Disgusting - they'll throw away the security and financial future of their own grandkids if it just keeps them in power in Washington.

The real plot was data mining all the email servers and credit card info on everyone in the US. That's why the telcos wanted immunity. Phone taps were just the tip of the iceberg. CIA (not by law supposed to work in US) has access to the network switches of every ISP in US. Much listening was also done to Congress-- for leak plugging.

You who buy in to this latest spin of the Hersh's Cheney assassination story are so childlike---this story came out months ago and is not the 8 year untold story but you babies go on and believe what your gop daddies feed you

bob c,

No I don't assume Bush and Co. approved the taking down of the WTC but it does bring up an interesting point. Do you rememeber the look on Bush's face when he was informed; do you remember what he was doing...giving a kindergarten lesson in Florida.

I actually think there was a real attempt in Torra Bora but then a light bulb went off in the Oval Office and Bush realized Bin Laden was worth more alive than dead.

And yes Obama is doing the same thing.

Hope they get them all! Not really a secret plot anymore--now is it?

NSES;

Yeah, I remember Bush when he was told what was happening but I am not sure what your point is. So what if he was at a kindergarden. Politicians do those kinds of things for the photo-op. How is that odd and what does it have to do with what we are talking about.

Patience Joe Citizen. Sometime posting takes a bit of time to get a response back from the server. Wait until an errors occurs before assuming something is broken. ;)

It is as if the Democrats are "trying" to submarine their own numbers. They already have the "Stongly Approve" number down to the low thirties which is the kool aid base.

Note:
If you think the "site is jammed", hit the refresh button. Chances are the comment you thought was lost is there, it just didn't refresh on your browser. I assume Kate does this to save bandwidth, or it could be a bug.

bob c,

When it comes to politicians it is very important to consider the venue and their body language. Afterall what comes out of their mouths is scripted and rehearsed to give impressions and create perceptions; not speak the truth.

If you think Bush spoke off the cuff and spoke the truth then so be it. As for the photo-op; think of the real reasons not the op itself. Perhaps it was harmless but why would the POTUS be out doing harmless stuff...it only makes sense on one level.

Is there a justification for killing those who are intent on killing you and yours? You bet your boots there is. In fact, reticence in doing so would be either gross stupidity or else moral cowardice.

not stirred enough - I suggest you stir the ingredients and see if anything concrete comes out of your ambiguous statements.

Are you serious? All statements made by a politician are scripted, i.e., programmed and untrue? Nonsense. No-one can be that robotic.

Bush's 'photo-op' at the kindergarten where he was reading the children a story. No, he was not giving a 'kindergarten lesson'. You ask us to 'think of the real reasons'. I've done so: it was a photo-op. Period. Please provide your speculations.

Why would the POTUS be 'out doing harmless stuff'? Oh? You think that he ought to be out 'doing harmful stuff'? Please explain.

I'll go along with Mark Steyn - Bin Laden is dead. Long ago. As Steyn claims - 'bin laden to rest and pushing up daisies'. Whether it was from natural causes (I understand he was diabetic as well as other ailments) or other - I've no idea. But the facts are - he hasn't been seen alive since and his videos are, in my view, 'photo-ops'. So, never believe a word of it.

Jeff - the CIA can work in the US. Its mandate is

"Collecting intelligence through human sources and by other appropriate means, except that he shall have no police, subpoena, or law enforcement powers or internal security functions".

That doesn't exclude gathering the intelligence within the USA; it merely states that the CIA is not responsible for internal security functions - those duties belong to the police and FBI services.

As well, the CIA ALSO gathers intelligence OUTSIDE the USA.

After all, it would be ridiculous to suggest that IF the CIA gathers evidence of a bomb plot agsint the US, co-ordinated from a foreign country AND to be carried out by secret agents planted inside the US - that the CIA would be unable to gather intelligence about those agents inside the US who will carry out the task! Surely you don't believe that! Or do you?

I suggest you read the CIA's mandate. Facts always trump fiction.

Actually, I think CIA assassinations have been illegal since the time of Kennedy. But I'm sure in the case of 9/11 had Cheney made it public, Congress would have made a special dispensation for it. (post 9/11, LEST WE FORGET, if Bush would have asked Congress to legalize medeavel torture, I'm sure they would have approved it!) It was already publicly known that the US government was offering millions of $$$ for the capture or death of Osama...mercenaries from all around the world were crawling through the desert looking for the guy. So what's the big deal?

RJ

NSES;

Politicians are out in the public doing less than earth shattering things all the time. Obama and his wife visited a school not to long ago, and I am sure will do so again. Are you saying they did so to draw attention away from some nefarious deed. What country did he invade while our attention was diverted, and better yet, how has he managed to keep it a secret.

The problem, ET, is that Obama had any rating at all.
Are only we, immigrants from the USSR, capable of seeing a socialist for what he is? How dumb did the Americans have to be, to not see that they were about to elect a commie into the oval office?

Who's a flippin' idiot now, eh?

ET; I am with you 100%. Osama bin dead for a long time. Otherwise, he would have put out an easily authenticated video and thumbed his nose at America. From a PR standpoint it would have been very valuable to do so. That he never has speaks for itself.

What country did he invade while our attention was diverted

Ehem, Bob, the democRATs do the wars with the republican's hands - they just ignore the issue (any issue) until the republican is getting elected and deals with one. They they smear him for fixing the issue until they oust him and get another democRAT elected.

How did you manage to miss that algorithm for so long?

bob c and ET, I'm not sure re ObL's status. It's to his benefit to avoid video, as we all remember how an American geologist recognized the sandstone rock formations in the ObL video in 2001.

I doubt he's altered his appearance to conceal his identity, if alive he's probably safe amongst tribal people.

There were so many rumours that he required dialysis every three days - somehow I really doubt this. Bin Laden's doctor (Aziz, British born) stated in 2002 that ObL had no kidney disease.

Erik Larsen;

How many video tapes has right hand man Zawahiri put out since 911. Somehow or another he has managed to do so without giving away his whereabouts. Its not that difficult; a small room, a curtain or a blanket hung for background and a video camera.

Again, it would have been a huge PR coup for Bin Laden to prove he was alive. He would have been able to say to those he wished to recruit, **See. The Americans are not so tough. I am still here and there is nothing they can do about it.** Yet, he passed up the chance.

sooooo as far as the cia is concerned it is either headed by a [lying][incompetent] finger pointer:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/washington/27intel.html
or as this posting would have it, a waffling [non-]meddler.

funky. no wonder U.S. mideast relations are so messed up.

p.s. OBL's son just wrote a book on how he was such a p.p.p. . . . piss pauvre papa.

next !!!

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Take the CIA, MI6, and CSIS info with a lot of skepticism.

http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/war_crimes/clips/9268/

*** NEWS ALSO JUST BREAKING ***

Congressional records now confirm that Harry S. Truman fully intended to kill non-combatant civilians by dropping (2) atomic bombs on Japan, in August 1945.

It is as yet undetermined whether or not Democrat senators and congressmen wish to charge Truman with posthumous War Crimes.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Reports re- Bin Laden were that he was using peritoneal dialysis due to kidney failure, secondary to diabetes. Had been for several years.

If he's still alive after being on the run in the desert for 8 years, its a frickin' miracle.

Idiot trolls will please google "peritoneal dialysis life expectancy" before stinking the place up with your B.S. Thanks.

Maybe they were going to try to kill him with a poison cracker, and PMSH was in on the plot?

Kate...numero uno...Clinton was just helping make new farmland arable by using cruise missles to plow it,not oxen and plows.After all,they go way deeper for good soil then any plow can.
numero duo....GWB was just making a feel good speech,while killing innocents.
And numero treo...Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was NOT an Al-Quida operative.He was just a poor shephard bombed by evil Bush.
Spot the difference?

OBL has Elvis current statis...

The universe is unfolding as it should.....no martyr that way.....just fadding away......

Since the daisy cutter in Tora Bora didn't leave enough of bin Laden to identify its quite evident that the big Owe is trying to shift focus away from his dismal performance/approval rating.

Now in the best Nelson of Simpsons fame HA HA!

Who's side is Leon Panetta on?

"Ix-nay on illing-kay in-Laden-bay.

Isn't that what Team America is for? "Fck YeaH!"

"I can understand why George W. wouldn't want to kill Al Qaeda leaders. His lazy hazy crazy days at Camp David would have been interrupted by having to pay attention to domestic problems."

Yeah right Stirred

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/01/29/lazy-obama/

"Are only we, immigrants from the USSR, capable of seeing a socialist for what he is? How dumb did the Americans have to be, to not see that they were about to elect a commie into the oval office?"

Aaron

They knew damn well what they were voting for, they just collectively voted for instant gratification(you know, the Hip hop Inauguration)and to then hope some $change$. In my opinion the Americans have shown themselves to be spoiled brats not having the slightest clue what their votes are worth, or the responsibility that comes along with it. There was more dirt on Obama than a pig would know what to do with, yet they and stuck their fingers in their ears and said “Na Na I can’t hear you” when conservatives were exposing his past.

Analogy: The Americans remind me of the kids from the cell phone commercials that don't want the "roll-over" minutes they get from their plans.

It should be noted that GWB stopped referring to Bin laden, by name, around the tora-bora campaign time frame. What does that suggest?

This issue (CIA) is a cover for the STANK leader Pelosi. See they lie.. See they lie.....

Idiots the lot…The shit head Republicans, in Congress, need “a” Palin now, or they will become obsolete in 2010 and beyond…Who needs Democrat’s with beards

Dick Cheney is a ruthless enemy to have. If I where Obama it would be wise not to go down this street of no return. There are other powers in Washington. Some with a lot of influence, money & big contacts That makes even the legislaters shake.
Bad move for the Obamites. This with the CIA accusations are foes you don't want.
JMO

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the US was supposed to kill bin Laden?
If someone is baming Bush, Cheney or Palin for something (it doesn't matter what it is), disbelieve them immediately and ask what happened to the bodies supposed to be in the assigned burial plots.

So Bill Clinton's attack that killed the camel and blew up an aspirin factory (coincidentally on the same day Monica Lewinski was being deposed) was supposed to accomplish what exactly?
At any rate I'm watching La Traviata on Bravo and, being an opera, its plot has a better grip on reality than liberals' feverish minds.
Verdi!

I always felt that bin Laden bought it at Tora Bora. A few years ago, a private company that does voiceprint analysis analyzed a known bin Laden tape and one of these new ones from Tora Bora Rose, and said no way it was the same guy. Then the CIA "confirmed" that it was bin Laden and they withdrew.

Also, there was a video that purported to show bin Laden, but the only time the mouth matched the audio was when bin Laden spoke words he is known to have spoken before Tora Bora. They claimed the problem was corrupted mpeg compression. What are the odds? I would say about zero.

I agree with Mark Steyn.

binLaden is filming 911-2 in MichaelMoores apt studio with a cameo from barry.
just putting it out there.

I can understand the CIA wanting to keep the commie congress in the dark on this one. The democrats will turn CIA into Killed In Action.

Who left the children in charge of the house?

Oh yeah......................

No serious analyst of the CIA or the way leaks are done thinks for a minute that the CIA had a secret group planning to kill bin laden that only reported to cheney...more will come out, almost certainly that cheney wanted to kill american citizens extra judicially, or at least planned to kill people in other " friendly" countries without asking 1st.

I'm still in two minds over the question. Was OBL killed in Topra Bora? Quitre possibly, dead anominously in a cave and no survivors to report his death. He could be living in an NHS hospital in London, UK. I just don't know.