July 3, 2009

This Isn't Your Grandma's Humane Society

If you donate to a "humane" organization that engages in activism, you need to stop.

The Humane Society of Canada is asking Canada's broadcasting regulator to phase out the airing of Calgary Stampede events.

The animal-welfare group believes rodeo events during the 10 days of Stampede violate the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) code by glamourizing cruelty to animals during programming.

And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...

The Humane Society of Canada does not run shelters - these are not the people who take in lost pets. This is hard left animal rights fund-raising media centric activism in the tradition of Greenpeace. (Until 1995, they were directly controlled by the Humane Society of the United States.)

In the meanwhile, the HSoC website is offering a poll (link fixed) that's asking to go horribly wrong. To get a sense of the level of real world public support this organization has, note that the poll has received just 355 votes in the nearly two months it's been up.

Posted by Kate at July 3, 2009 11:03 AM

And the Humane Society has shut down the poll. No more responses avaialable.
Good work, Kate!

Posted by: Walter Boldt at July 3, 2009 11:25 AM

I don't think so, Walter. I mistakenly linked to the results page instead of the main page where your vote is cast. Remedied that now.

Posted by: Kate at July 3, 2009 11:43 AM

Did you know that in Ontario the Humane Society is in charge of animal law enforcement with powers to enter property, search and seizure?

Posted by: Carcano at July 3, 2009 11:52 AM

If you are in Vancouver and support the SPCA - the great folks who run our animal shelters and deserve to get our donations, please continue to do so.

But screw the Humane Society . . .

Posted by: Fred at July 3, 2009 11:54 AM

What will they ask for next? Possibly the banning of western cowboy movies. I think they should be advocating that all members attend a mandatory "swine flu" party

Posted by: bverwey at July 3, 2009 11:58 AM

Nope....the poll has been changed to something about the seal hunt.

Posted by: John Luft at July 3, 2009 11:58 AM

Lets see them deliver this message in person directly on the streets of Calgary.

Posted by: bob at July 3, 2009 12:07 PM

Nope - it always was a poll on the seal hunt.

Posted by: Kate at July 3, 2009 12:18 PM

The SSPCA: Is an Animal Welfare Organization, not an Animal Rights Organization.
Apparently the Saskatchewan SPCA and, I presume by the links on the SSPCA site, the other Saskatchewan based Humane Societies wish to clearly state where they stand.

Posted by: glasnost at July 3, 2009 12:39 PM

They're also against culling the flying prolific poopers called Canada Geese, not an endangered species. Never mind they're keeping our swimming holes contaminated for much of the short summer season.

Posted by: Liz J at July 3, 2009 12:49 PM

From what I have seen the Ontario Humane Society is a scam to enrich/employ leftist ex-patriot brits who could not find employment in law enforcement.
Then decades back the Toronto Humane Society (then the Ontario Humane Society) was taken over by the Animal Rights types put a certain familly out of work (outragious salaries for no expertise).
In the fullness of time, the new ewgime has readopted the older regimes corrupt practices.

Posted by: sasquatch at July 3, 2009 12:52 PM

...culling the flying prolific poopers called Canada Geese... ~ Liz J
Have you attended an annual Canada-Goose-Roundup in Regina's Wascana Park? It seemed very humane to me, although the students that were hired to catch the geese got quite messed up.

Posted by: glasnost at July 3, 2009 12:59 PM

Poll's over 500 votes now, 60% in favour of spending money to challenge the EU seal ban!

Posted by: Jeff at July 3, 2009 1:15 PM

I love how people can get sucked into these so-called "Humane Societies" by not using their brains. The website seems so benign - all cute and cuddly and nothing, on the surface, seems so very wrong with what their goals are. However, think a little - getting rid of horse slaughter houses would create a huge increase in the number of animal welfare cases of horses starved (the very sort of thing that these people claim to be trying to prevent).

Stop the seal hunt (or Save the Seals - which are NOT endangered)? Excuse me but, in my humble opinion, this is a Canadian Heritage event we are talking about. After the seal hunt is gone what will they move on to banning? Get rid of rodeo - also a Heritage Event. Hmmmm. No hunting, fishing, horseback riding, pets of any kind, etc. It's a slippery slope folks.

This is somewhat off topic but it disturbs me that there is so much concern over animals and pets and their treatment (not that it is necessarily a bad thing as animals should not be mishandled or abused) but their seems to be little or no concern over children and crimes against children or concern over our fellow man. People will risk their lives to save a wild deer who fell through the ice on the river in the dead of winter but won't lift a finger to help someone who is being beaten half to death or who is dying of a heart attack on the side of the street. Priorities....

Posted by: Chris H at July 3, 2009 1:24 PM

My parents have raised and shown Shetland Sheepdogs for over 30 years, and have exhibited some of top winners for the breed. Invariably, they get approached by people just starting out, people who want to learn how to groom, show, etc. It's amazing the number who try to impress my dad by saying something like "of course, we always donate to PETA". That pretty much assures that the audience is at an end.

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 1:32 PM

There is almost zero attention paid to the most widespread crime against our children - the public education system.

Needless to say that mentioning insitiutionalized genocide of North Americans - lacing food with MSG and water with fluorine - causes anger among even the most educated of you.

You live life you deserve.

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 1:47 PM

How is that poll asking to go wrong? You're either supporting having the government spending money to support seal hunters, or implying that you don't support the seal hunt (which is what they want). For a fiscal conservative this is a false choice.

Posted by: K Stricker at July 3, 2009 1:56 PM

The real problem is the targeted idiots who inherit wealth and use it to fuel all the movements run by deranged scamsters. In return they receive the "rightful" adulation that had been absent in their former pitiful unproductive lives.

Next stop: A campaign to have "fur people" and their needs included in CHRC legislation and "translators/interpreters" hired at public expense to conduct hearings nationwide.

Posted by: Sgt Lejaune at July 3, 2009 2:12 PM

Aaron - no offense, but WTF, dude?

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 2:36 PM

Try to ask a question, Neal, you may get an answer.

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 2:47 PM

OK, Aaron, how about "WTF does your, um, hypothesis regarding North American genocide by stealth MSG and flouride have to do with a post on the humane society". You could also try "WTF are you talking about?", or even "WTF is wrong with you - are you insane?" - any of these questions seem pertinent to the discussion at hand.

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 2:52 PM

See, Neal, mention of MSG made you angry. Was I ever wrong about that?

Maybe you should try to explain why you are so aggravated by me mentioning MSG poisoning of population? What exactly made you angry?

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 3:04 PM

Kate, your linking this site to the poll is going to skew it to the right. Pretty soon all the votes will be in favour of the seal hunt. The power of SDA.

Posted by: General Brock at July 3, 2009 3:15 PM

Aaron - one of the things I learned in my 14 years in NYC was never make eye contact with a crazy man. I fear I have broken my own rule, and now find myself trapped until I either give you money or agree that the Jews are responsible for killing your cat on the orders of an alien named Klaatuu.

Your mention of MSG didn't make me angry - I could care less about MSG and your crusade against it. My visceral reaction was to the tone and timbre of your post, and to the fact that it was a complete non-sequiter to the topic under discussion.

And for the record - I only like my MSG after it has been soaked in flouride and caffiene - gives the day just the right amount of "pop".

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 3:20 PM

See, Neal, you are a fascist. Definition of a fascist is a person, who wants to impose his views on other persons.

Thanks to you and the likes, I can't opt out of eating MSG and drinking fluorine. As far as I am concerned, you should be able to continue enjoying both substances as long as you like them, but you are dragging me along against my will, causing me physical pain.

If fluorine was fine, there would not be a condition, called fluorosis, dude. Talk to those who have it, it may be educating.

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 3:29 PM

If that went over your head, I'll put it simple, so that you could understand: according to you, I should eat MSG because it's doing nothing to you that you are noticing. According to me, MSG should be put on the table tops, like salt and pepper, for those like you.

That makes me a libertarian, and you a fascist.

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 3:32 PM

Go after the MSG in soup man,most soup has MSG, always flys under the radar, everybody asks about MSG when eating Chinese but nobody asks the same question at Tim Hortons.

Posted by: bob at July 3, 2009 3:37 PM

The strangeness of Aaron - the gift that keeps on giving. So I'm a fascists because I don't obsess about MSG? Seems I got that label from you, because I don't share your views on MSG. But you also claim that one who foists his views off on others is a fascist. So perhaps you can see where my confusion comes from.

Is this how you pass your time - trolling the intertubes so you can engage perfect strangers with bizarre theories of genocide and then calling them fascists when they laugh at you? I mean, everyone's gotta have a hobby - but yours ranks below even those guys who constantly spam blog posts with "First" in the comments.

If I was in NYC still, I would quickly hail a cab and effect my escape. Since that's not an option, I think I'll just put you in my "ignore the crazy person" file and move on.

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 3:42 PM

How about one of our popular singers, Sarah McLaughlin who is against the seal hunt? Hell she wore a tee shirt with a drawing of a baby seal on it for her Canada Day performance.
She did say she wasn't including the Natives in her objections.

Posted by: Liz J at July 3, 2009 3:43 PM


WTF Aaron....the likes of Neal is making you eat MSG? Wrong thread I think.

Posted by: bverwey at July 3, 2009 3:52 PM

Allbut Nekkid flies here.
Lizzy May is not here. Helen is not here ...oh, wait..... Helen's streakin', again.

"Of Flies and Men: The Bizzare World of PETA

Despite this fact, PETA members go straight to the gutter to attempt to save potential chickens in distress. Like a deranged cult group, the young and impressionable (almost exclusively female) are recruited, stripped, and sent all but naked into the streets to decry the fate of a chicken, bird, rabbit, you name it. In what should enrage the feminist groups around the globe, PETA objectifies partially nude women in bondage-like 'cage' depictions that reduce women to nothing more than cheap sex objects. In other words, PETA attempts to swap one form of 'meat' with another form of the same. This activity is, in a word, shameful."

Posted by: maz2 at July 3, 2009 4:02 PM

Actually, I get a kickback of $1 for every person in North America who gets sick from eating MSG. Double that if it's a serious illness or obesity related.

And to stay on topic - not one red cent of my ill-gotten gains go to PETA or their ilk. All of my profits go to porn, cigars, and non-msg laced foods. Hey, no way am I gonna eat that stuff.

Posted by: Neal at July 3, 2009 4:05 PM

Personaly I give to singular orginizations or individuals. Used to give to the churchs I went to, but after I found out where the money went. I figure you can't trust them either.
Least of all these mega charities.
Real charitry in my opinion involves helping other to rise & walk, not stay crippled by hand outs. Worse giving the money to tyrrants.
Best to see real needs, like the people attacked by the HRC's get it to defend liberty of speech. Than see it go to fanatics of any stripe for dubious reasons.

Posted by: Revnant Dream at July 3, 2009 4:30 PM

Neal, shortness of your mind is amazing. To state that I must think you are personally responsible is very rich.

For the record, the only reason this topic was brought up, was due to what Chris H asked at July 3, 2009 1:24 PM - a question about priorities, the value of human life and suffering versus snails and chicken.

Some argue that MSG is natural and harmless, while the families, whose life was shattered with that substance, are silenced partially by your, Neal, reaction: WTF, dude!

If you don't know about something, it does not mean it does not exist. MSG is causing taking incredible toll on North American population, but because it approximately doubles food consumption expressed in dollars, it is no surprise that the victims are silenced and information is suppressed. It's a multi-billion dollar issue at stake, actually multi-trillion, considering how pharmaceutical industry and official medicine are profiting from elevated pain, allergies and obesity.

Enjoy your pizza, Neil, but please, stop being such an ass (like in a donkey, for ET) and calling people names just because their viewpoint is different.

Posted by: Aaron at July 3, 2009 4:43 PM

I liked iut much better when Aaron went away for almost a year. Now's he's back, and brought a brand new bag of crazy to spread around.

Aaron, you're a flipping moron. Yes, I called you a name. But, yes, you fit the bill. And, as you read this, I'm slipping MSG into your ear. You're doomed.

Posted by: Yukon Gold at July 3, 2009 5:09 PM

If the society is into lobbying it should not be non-profit listed and not entitled to donations. To ask the parade marshall (Mike Holmes) not to do it and then ask CRTC not to air it is ridiculous. If it is so inhumane we sure have a lot of sick people (over 1 million attending). Maybe they would feel better after some delicious alberta beef yum yum

Posted by: Alberta Altruist at July 3, 2009 5:34 PM

Canada Geese = Sky Carp

Posted by: WTF at July 3, 2009 5:47 PM

Aaron,Aaron,Aaron,you poor misguided victim of public education.---"Needless to say that mentioning insitiutionalized genocide of North Americans - lacing food with MSG and water with fluorine - causes anger among even the most educated of you.

You live life you deserve.----
Flouride is put into water,not flourine.Now don't go all MSG on me,but please try a little harder next time. The proof is in pudding.

Posted by: wallyj at July 3, 2009 5:59 PM

Over at the Humane Society website,they have a link to a 'global warming'. I think they are trying to appeal to those who would rather save animals than their neighbour's ass. To me,the HSoC is a slightly less radical PETA group,I didn't see anything on saving the sea kittens.

Posted by: wallyj at July 3, 2009 6:11 PM

The guy has a point about the MSG.

Posted by: bob at July 3, 2009 6:54 PM

Trackback to SDA from "Via SDA "A poll that is asking to go horribly wrong" Did indeed go horribly wrong. Anyone else take a little naughty delight in the fact that the Humane Society can have a poll up for almost two months and get less votes than Kate managed to get them in less than 7 hours? We are currently taking bets about how long this "inconvenient poll" will remain up."

Posted by: Rebekah at July 3, 2009 7:49 PM

**The guy has a point about the MSG.**

Yeah flouride and MSG have a much higher priority than rodeos.
I wonder how much MSG contributea ro violent used to make my X go tarpaper.......

Posted by: sasquatch at July 3, 2009 10:35 PM

It seems to me that advocating for animals and improving the laws that protect them will help far more animals than running a shelter.

A shelter can only take in so many animals, and then must find homes for them or euthanize them. If the laws are changed to make it so that people have to take better care of their animals, can;t run backyard puppy mills, can't sell unneutered or unspayed pets, then there will be fewer animals coming in to the system that need to be cared for.

Posted by: Glenn at July 3, 2009 11:09 PM

"She did say she wasn't including the Natives in her objections."

So, ummm, when an indian kills a seal its not really dead-is that it?

Or is it that someone is making money off it. If a corporation makes a profit killing a seal the seal is a way deader than if an indian/eskimo kills it. Makes sense to me.

Horny Toad

Posted by: Horny Toad at July 3, 2009 11:21 PM

The WWF, World Wildlife Fund, are also very cuddly. When they started sponsoring AGW, global warming, in a big way, I stopped contributing to them. Now my animal money goes to the Vancouver Island Marmot Foundation. Directly into support of a species in danger, no garbage about GW on their site.

Posted by: tranio at July 4, 2009 1:12 PM

wallyj, does it make you feel better that it's not pure fluorine, but fluoride? It's still just rat poison. Enjoy it!

Posted by: Aaron at July 4, 2009 1:16 PM

The "animal rights" lunatics are the most negative people on the planet. They point to a handful of regrettable chuckwagon horse deaths over the past 20 years (a large percentage of which took place not in the chuckwagon races themselves but on an accident where a number jumped off a bridge when spooked).

But there is another way to look at the situation. The chuckwagon races have actually saved the lives of about 11,000 horses over that 20 years. There are 36 wagons at the Stampede and they each bring on an average, 15 horses. When you do the math....36 wagons x 15 horses x 20 years, you get about 11,000 horses. The horses are almost all bred for horse racing and just couldn't make the grade. At the point, they are too high strung to make good riding horses for most riders. So, it would be off to the dog food factory or sent off to those more "highly cultured" locales that eat horse meat. Instead, they become chuckwagon horses. When they retire from that, they are good riding horses and they live out their lives royally until they die.

Quite a different picture from the one the radical animal "rights" loons portray.

Posted by: John Luft at July 4, 2009 6:27 PM

The Holy Bible has the most to say on this subject - orphans and widows are priority number one when it comes to charity.

Posted by: No-One at July 4, 2009 7:03 PM

And yet, I know quite well that both the Alberta SPCA and the Calgary Humane Society have a great relationship with the Stampede folks. They are on site, welcome to inspect etc. They work very cooperatively. Lets face it, these animals are worth a LOT of money... no one, especially their owners, want them treated poorly.

The Humane Society folks are really against anything to do with animals in entertainment. I briefly worked at THS and had to leave as they were all nuts. They were opposed to anything to do with animals in entertainment - commericals, movies, circus, Stampede etc. very narrow minded

In the end, never give your money to a animal welfare group that doesn't operate a shelter. The shelters however, do good work - be they SPCA, Humane Society, ARF, rescue.

Posted by: Tamara at July 4, 2009 8:31 PM