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July 2, 2009

Honduras Defiant

The Chavez wannabe remains persona non grata;

Enrique Ortez, interim foreign minister, said Zelaya would be arrested if he came home and that the interim authorities were sure Zelaya had been removed in a legal process.

"We are not negotiating national sovereignty or the presidency," he told Reuters in an interview. "There is no chance at all" of Zelaya coming back to power.

William A. Jacobson;

Poor and tiny Honduras faces the full wrath of the United States, United Nations, and much of the rest of the world, while nothing is done about Iran. On Iran, Obama and the world acted with the utmost
deference, and there were no efforts by the Obama administration at international action. None.

But Honduras, enforcing its own laws against a renegade wannabe President-for-life, for some reason warrants the full force of the United States government and international community. Honduras gets condemnation from Obama, while Chavez gets hugs and Ahmadinejad gets deference. Wonderful. No, horrible.

"And to think that there are rumors circulating that Obama has a law degree."

And yes, this is embarrassing - Canada's "Made in America" foreign policy finally gets off the ground for real. You'd think the left would be livid.

More at Faustas Blog.

Posted by Kate at July 2, 2009 6:23 AM
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Posted by: Kate at July 2, 2009 9:47 AM

Is the world going insane or what?
It must be that the “world leaders” don’t pay attention to what has happened, they are only interested to be with the ‘in’ crowd.
The demagogue in the US does not deal in a real world. Meaningless pronouncements that sound good to uninformed are his mode of operation. The demagogue has no respect for the law what ever it says. To him the law is only hindrance.
Viz ACORN, pronouncement that the US constitution needs some socialist work over and other things.

Posted by: Lev at July 2, 2009 9:50 AM

At least Canada has joined other nations along with the UN in condemning the coup.

Posted by: T at July 2, 2009 10:02 AM

Hey T,
If you follow what happened, it is clear that it was a decision of the supreme court and the senate to instruct the army to do what they did.
This is not pleasant or wanted course of events, though sometimes certain actions are taken to prevent the destruction of democracy, however loosely it is applied.

Posted by: Lev at July 2, 2009 10:20 AM

Careful; all Canada said was that it supported the democratic process in Honduras. Period.

It was Obama who insisted that Zelaya remains 'the democratically elected leader' of Honduras. No, he doesn't. He attempted to subvert the Honduran Constitution by demanding a referendum to enable him to remain as President for another term.
Congress, and the Courts refused this referendum.

So, Zelaya tried to break into the military vault where the ballots were held, to have his people distribute them. This open violation of Congress and the Courts prompted Congress to remove him.
That's not a coup. That's a Congress removing someone from office.

Of course, now Zelaya pretends that he never intended to change the constitution. No, he just wanted to 'know what people thought'. A survey.
Heh. Then why not conduct a survey? Hmmm?

As for Obama calling for Zelaya's reinstatement (which Harper did not do) - Obama is an ignorant, arrogant and destructive person. He knows zilch about the world, about foreign affairs, and his agenda is always and only, to make people subservient to him. He probably wants Chavez and the other C. American dictators on his side.

One thing he is not. He's not for democracy or the well-being of people.

Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 10:24 AM

World gone mad? Symptoms of a media dumbing-down.

Posted by: ron in kelowna at July 2, 2009 10:26 AM

Hey 'T', follow the links.

Maybe 'Obama' is thinking forward about their own Constitution and term limits.

Posted by: Merle Underwood at July 2, 2009 10:31 AM

Merle - yes, I wonder about Obama's 'hesitant' thoughts about his own Rule Over America.

Victor Davis Hanson, in an excellent article, writes in National Review;

"Most recently, the U.S. condemned the Honduran military’s arrest of Pres. Manuel Zelaya. The nation’s supreme court had found his efforts to extend his presidential tenure in violation of its constitution, once Zelaya tried to finesse an illegal third term.

In other words, the U.S. pressures other nations as it pleases — though strangely now more to lean on friends than to criticize rivals and enemies.

In contrast, had President Obama voiced early, consistent, and sharp criticism of the Iranian crackdown, the theocracy would have worried that the president’s stature could have galvanized global boycotts and embargos to isolate the theocracy and aid the dissidents. And the reformers in the streets could have become even more confident with a trademark Obama “hope and change” endorsement.

Internal democratic change in Iran is the only peaceful solution to stopping an Iranian bomb, three decades of Iranian-sponsored terrorism, and a Middle East arms race. When thousands risked their lives for a better Iran, a better Middle East, and a better world, we, the land of the free, simply were not with them."

Obama is ignorant and arrogant. His foreign affairs behaviour is disastrous, with his openly insulting our allies and kowtowing to declared enemies - and his rejection of democracy. His internal policies are equally disastrous, again rejecting the democratic process and attempting to set up a dictatorial, all-powerful central government over a taxed-to-passivity population.

Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 10:48 AM

Cristina Fernandez, Rafael Correa and Hugo Chavez ... all squarely in Zelaya's corner. How reassuring this must be for the people of Honduras. The only players required to complete this collection of Marxist rabble are Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega and Jack Layton.

The reaction of the UN is predictable. While they give their best impression of a herd of castrated sheep when dealing with real problems in North Korea and Iran, they issue threatening statements toward a small Central American country.

As for the response from President Obama ... whatever became of the time when such proclamations were condemned by the left as "imperialistic interference"?

Posted by: biffjr. at July 2, 2009 10:49 AM

As I see it:

Option 1: Zelaya is a Chavez stalking horse and wannabe, and tried to do something illegal and the Honduran government acted properly and legally in stopping him before it's too late, and demagogue ruins the country for another generation.

Option 2: Zelaya is a popular leader who was trying do some mildly extra-legal maneuvering to end-run a corrupt Honduran oligarchy, and bring in a age of prosperity and popular government.


Option 3. All of the above.

Option 4. I am unaware of the facts and have no clue.


I'm vacillating between 1 and 3, with a lean on 1 because anyone who likes Hugo is presumed guilty in my book. I'm fairly sure that the upper levels of Honduran government are pretty "tight" and probably run the country more or less for their own benefit (it's in the nature of small countries), but I also suspect that they are less harmful than anything that Zelaya might introduce.

Posted by: Fred2 at July 2, 2009 10:50 AM

My wife and I are still planning to retire to her native country of Honduras. I told her a few years ago don't be surprised that the Mambo Chimp Chavez will try to stir things up in Honduras and she replyed that the people would'nt put up with it. Turns out we were both right. She is some proud right now that her little country has stood alone giving the whole world the finger telling them to shove it.
Her brother right now is expected to be drafted to serve military dutie because of what is taking place.

Posted by: Shawn at July 2, 2009 10:51 AM

If you want to know what's really going on ... you only need to check this out.

Obama Deception

It is s full length video 'splaining what is truly going on where nothing seems to make sense anymore. That is as it should be ... because everything we are told is a lie from top to bottom. There is an agenda and it's not good for freedom.

Posted by: Momar at July 2, 2009 11:02 AM

What's that crude old line?

Q: Why does a dog lick his nuts?
A: Because he can.

Putting the squeeze on tiny little Honduras is a no-brainer; putting the squeeze on Iran (or North Korea for that matter) is a tad more complicated and demands effort, application and politically difficult decisions.

Even so, there is still quite a danger here for all the clever policy wonks in the White House and at State: if US diplomatic efforts against a country as globally insignificant as Honduras come to naught, why should any other country tremble over American power?

Posted by: JJM at July 2, 2009 11:02 AM

What on earth was Stephen Harper thinking.

Posted by: bob c at July 2, 2009 11:08 AM

Bob C,

Harper is not thinking, he doing what he is told. Just like Obama is doing what he is told.

Posted by: Momar at July 2, 2009 11:32 AM

Not once have the media explained the actual facts nor even briefly mentioned any.

It's all lies and spin.

Posted by: Jason at July 2, 2009 11:44 AM

Oh, I guess it was a coup when Nixon was forced out then?

Posted by: Jason at July 2, 2009 11:45 AM

momar - could you provide some evidence for your opinion?

Jason - was Nixon forced out, or did he realize that he faced impeachment, and so, resigned?

And could you explain that 'not once' have the media explained the actual facts'. Since, for most of us, our information comes from the media, then, you must have access to other sources, to be able to come to that conclusion. Could you explain these other sources of information that you are privy to?


Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 11:49 AM

Don't know about what is going to happen in Honduras in the long run. IMO they are doing the right thing.

'ET', agreed with take about 'Obama'.

'biffjr' The reaction of the UN is predictable. While they give their best impression of a herd of castrated sheep.

"one of the best descriptions of the UN I've read".

Posted by: Merle Underwood at July 2, 2009 11:50 AM

One explanation, and I hope this is wrong, is that Iran already has a nuclear weapon. Furthermore, Obama knows that, thus the kid glove treatment. Hopefully, if Iran has a bomb, all this is just buying time till the CIA can find it.

Posted by: Kevin Lafayette at July 2, 2009 11:53 AM

Yeah what is Harper thinking....
A sovereign state legally impeaches an aspiring dictator, apprehended in a violent coup attempt, and then exiles him.....
I can see BamBam not wanting a precedent but Harper???? But then again we had an attempted coup with the now discredited "coalition" but still......

Posted by: sasquatch at July 2, 2009 12:16 PM

Shame on our government for going along with this hypocritical herd. The hypocrisy is astounding considering the silence of the same herd when it comes to Iran and Islamo-facism. Right again when it comes to the Canadian leftists who all of a sudden lost their knee-jerk anti-Americanism.

Zelaya was and remains a thug and a Chavez puppet. May Honduras continue to stand up to the international tyranny.

Posted by: Alain at July 2, 2009 12:25 PM

Well, I think if I can ever afford it, my next international vacation will be Honduras.

Posted by: Kevin Lafayette at July 2, 2009 12:46 PM

Kevin Lafayette

Well, I think if I can ever afford it, my next international vacation will be Honduras.

Go to the north coast. It is simply beautiful with Colgate white sand coastline. The small island Roaton is great for scuba diving and a popular tourist destination. http://www.roatanonline.com/
The southern coast is small with dark volcanic sand on the beaches that makes the water murky. You have the Maya ruins at Copan and nice mountainous are around Tegucilpa. There is crime but you will find the majority of the population wonderfully warm people.
You won’t be disappointed if you decide to go there.

Posted by: Shawn at July 2, 2009 1:14 PM

Our in-house investigator of conspiracy theorists, ET, is living in a bubble and not having got a clue.

Posted by: Aaron at July 2, 2009 1:35 PM

"One explanation, and I hope this is wrong, is that Iran already has a nuclear weapon. Furthermore, Obama knows that, thus the kid glove treatment. Hopefully, if Iran has a bomb, all this is just buying time till the CIA can find it."

Simply put: it is entirely moot whether Iran has the bomb or not. It's a sovereign state.

The only way to deal with the issue is to:

1. accept Iran as a nuclear power as and when it becomes one; or

2. attack its capability either by overt or covert means.

That latter option would be considered an act of war though.

No one has yet attacked the nuke weapon facilities of Israel, India, Pakistan or North Korea for joining the nuclear club.

So that means when all is said and done, a lot more will have been said than done.

In other words: "Iran - come on down! You're in!"

Posted by: JJM at July 2, 2009 1:47 PM

If they could send Zelaya into exile, why couldn't we have shipped Dion, Gilles and Taliban Jack to France for an attempted coup? Dion could make them feel welcome in his native land.

Posted by: Jim in Calgary at July 2, 2009 2:13 PM

We can't even expel a convicted terrorist in over 20 years.

Posted by: Aaron at July 2, 2009 2:26 PM

Aaron

Our in-house investigator of conspiracy theorists, ET, is living in a bubble and not having got a clue.

No Aaron its you people at rabble who live in a bubble. My wife has been watching this very closely. Here is the real news that our media neglets to report. The truth is here in Spanish if you can understand it jerk.
http://www.laprensahn.com/

Posted by: Shawn at July 2, 2009 2:32 PM

when a president of a "democracy" breaks the contituional law he is tried and "IMPEACHED" not kidnapped and taken to another country. What part of "RULE OF LAW" is so hard for the rightwingers to understand. And where is the proof that Zelaya was seeking a "third term"....my gawd....don't comment on things you know nothing about.

Posted by: bud at July 2, 2009 2:38 PM

This is worth repeating. "Careful; all Canada said was that it supported the democratic process in Honduras. Period." And.

Lev:"If you follow what happened, it is clear that it was a decision of the supreme court and the senate to instruct the army to do what they did."

bud: "What part of "RULE OF LAW" is so hard for the rightwingers"...
If our next PM decided to take permanent office and run the country on Warrants, I hope our GG would call in Her Military and remove him if he would not go peacefully.
What is the other option? Because he is a good commie, let him win a referendum to bypass the constitution?
A Republic or Constitutional Monarchy is not a Democracy for good reason.

Posted by: Gunney99 at July 2, 2009 3:03 PM

Exiling him went too far but the Supreme Court of Hondouras ordered him arrested.

But, I think the Globe struck he right tone...there was only 17 months left to go. The President was pretty much done like dinner anyway.

He has formal powers which could still be used, powers of appointment etc. And Lord knows how much "help' Hugo would give him. Hugo printed the ballots for the illegal referendum so lets not be comletely naive about what was happenening.

The orders of the SC of HOnd should have been exercised. But it is pretty clear they were working toward something.

Obama is correct to abhor intervention by the military but he would have been wise to implore Houndouras' neighbours to leave Houndouran sovereignty to Houndourans.

The piling on versus Iran was simple power balances. Houndouras has none and Iran has more cards.

Posted by: Stephen at July 2, 2009 3:13 PM

bud - it was a second term. And the proof was that he asked to have a referendum on that issue, whether to change the constitution to permit a second term.

The Honduran Congress refused to hold such a referendum; same with the Honduran Supreme Court. So Zelaya had the ballots printed up anyway; and he then fired the armed forces head, for impounding the ballots as per court order.

The arrest of Zelaya was approved by all the 15 Supreme Court judges, based on their investigation of his activities. They were planning to impeach him; they moved him out of the country to prevent riots.
Zelaya had originally called the vote a 'plebiscite'; then, he switched it to a 'poll'. Then, it became merely a survey..this was all after Congress and the Courts had ruled it illegal. The ballots were printed and flown in from Venezuala.

Just google and you'll find out the facts. Try Bloomberg dot com, for a good example. There are plenty of good analyses elsewhere.

Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 3:15 PM

I proud myself because I don't call the opponents names unnecessarily. You boys and gals, of course, suit yourself.

Posted by: Aaron at July 2, 2009 3:26 PM

No, Aaron, to claim that your calling someone a name is 'necessary' while those of us who do the same, do it 'unnecessarily' is junk reasoning. In other words, it's nonsense.

You have still resorted to name-calling rather than debate. Try again. Without the names. This time, include some evidence and some analysis that leads you to a particular conclusion.

Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 3:52 PM

What Coup?

Obammy got a little nervous I think. He's trying the same thing in the U.S. Shredding the Constitution.

It's a good day for a coup in the USA. Anything to rid the world of that kenyan imposter. Now that would be something worth celebrating.

Posted by: A storm is coming at July 2, 2009 4:06 PM

Living in a bubble is not a pejorative, your majesty! ('majesty' is not a pejorative too). 'Jerk' is.

Posted by: Aaron at July 2, 2009 4:13 PM

Shawn.

Tt's called Rotan, but your so right. wonderful place to go and if your a diver like me. Buddy it's really great.

Posted by: Dustoff at July 2, 2009 4:17 PM

bud writes "....don't comment on things you know nothing about."

Actually, pretty good advice.

Following this line of reasoning, we shouldn't hear from bud anymore.

Posted by: biffjr. at July 2, 2009 4:46 PM

Aaron - who said 'bubble' was name-calling? But 'in-house investigator of conspiracy theorists' IS name-calling.

And of course 'your majesty' is a pejorative, following its dictionary meaning of 'intending to disparage or belittle'.

Try again. And use some evidence and analysis rather than resorting to name-calling.


Posted by: ET at July 2, 2009 5:30 PM

Zelaya is backed by Chavez. That stinks enough for me.
Whither Iran? Has it gone the way of Tiananmen?

Posted by: Osumashi Kinyobe at July 2, 2009 5:41 PM

A new low for Obama .... anyone surprised?

Why would you be?

Stay tuned for further updates.

Posted by: OMMAG at July 2, 2009 7:55 PM

bud


the army carrying out the orders of the SC of Honduras is not a coup, infact the army is legally obligated to follow orders from the governing/legal institutions of the country, when it doesn't, there is a problem

Posted by: GYM at July 2, 2009 9:57 PM

Aaron - hows the MSG thing working out for you? Fluoride?

Posted by: ural at July 3, 2009 1:01 AM

Having many friends in Honduras the fear was tha Zelaya had rigged the referendum results and was going to use the "results" to justify a government takeover runescape gold. Also this was not a coup as the military never took control of the country. The military was always under Judicial and Congressional (Honduran) control. A coup is when the military takes control of the branches of government. This did not take place.
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Posted by: runescape gold at July 3, 2009 4:16 AM

I lived in Honduras for a number of years and three of my kids were born there. I was a Human Rights worker in the region during the revolutionary wars of the '80's. What's happening in Honduras today is the same old provocations from the Left, supported by Chavez of Venezuela and Ortega of Nicaragua. Obama and the U.S. are way off base this time. There's some inside history that may interest some of you:
http://ricardostories.wetpaint.com
Ricardo Jaime

Posted by: ricardojaime at July 3, 2009 12:30 PM

what else did you expect from a racist,commie negro in the white house?

Posted by: bruce at July 5, 2009 4:08 PM
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