That glowing ball in the sky known to burn human skin through extended exposure can actually influence the climate?
A study from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland looking at climate data over the past century has concluded that solar variation has made a significant impact on the Earth’s climate. The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution.
Past research has shown that the sun goes through eleven year cycles. At the cycle’s peak, solar activity occurring near sunspots is particularly intense, basking the Earth in solar heat. According to Robert Cahalan, a climatologist at the Goddard Space Flight Center,
I know. I found it hard to believe, too.
Posted by Kate at June 5, 2009 1:11 AMFire ball hot!
Posted by: gronk at June 5, 2009 1:21 AMGive back the money, Gore.
Posted by: ron in kelowna at June 5, 2009 1:26 AMThere's alot shown here too:
http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2009/06/04/out-global-warming-in-global-cooling/
This is whole Global Warming/Climate Change thing is getting rather tiring, but I know that as soon as it disappears from the headlines we will be in for another Y2K or everybody-will-have-aids-in-a-year or whatever elso some nut job dreams up.
Posted by: Trent at June 5, 2009 1:52 AMIt gives us day and night too.
Posted by: Guess What at June 5, 2009 1:56 AMIn related news, night causes dark, and gravity causes falls.
Film at 11, 12, 1, 2 - oh hell, it's available 24/7 on youtube.
Posted by: KevinB at June 5, 2009 2:05 AMMust be a few years ago now I predicted this, when I stated here on this board that the sun was an uncontrolled burn, but thank God it was there, and at the time I thought the thermostat was in either Balzac or Biggar. I only said that to send lefties on a loser hunt looking for that thermostat. Hard to believe that all these highly paid so called smart people finally made this connection, kind of like if Ignatieff connected a deficit with more money paid out for EI. That would not make the CBC, but Iggys threats to take his ball and go home, Well that's NEWS here in Turdopia.
Posted by: bartinsky at June 5, 2009 2:14 AMY2K, Climate Change, Swine Flu, and the like are very useful in programming responses in the population. When the real disaster hits, it will be ignored. The boy (media) who cried wolf.
Posted by: No-One at June 5, 2009 2:37 AMLive by the thermometer, die by the thermometer.
Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at June 5, 2009 4:07 AM"Skeptics, though, argue that there’s little hard evidence of a solar hand in recent climate changes."
These same skeptics, if pushed for definitive observations, would also argue that the sun did not rise in the east this morning (it rose in the east-northeast at this latitude), the day was not 24 hours long today (it was 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59.99 seconds), and they were not conceived (they were born under a rock). So there!!!
Given enough time they will also probably observe that there are no small-dead-animals, only large-live-sunburned-liberals.
"Skeptics (solar influence deniers), though, argue that there’s little hard evidence"
Since when did lack of 'hard evidence' stop them?
Posted by: tim in vermont at June 5, 2009 7:34 AM"Black holes" are mentioned/illustrated; but, not AGW.
The Gaia "gap" is widening into an abyss for AGW.
The AGW idol has fallen.
...-
"Breakfast lessons for MPs bridge science, political gap
It's breakfast time on Parliament Hill, and Victoria Kaspi, a high-energy astrophysicist from McGill University, is using her body to illustrate Earth, our galaxy, and black holes.(sic)"
urlm.in/cohr
What can we do about these gravity related falls! Won't SOMEBODY think of the CHILDREN injured by this terrible scourge!
Posted by: mungman at June 5, 2009 7:38 AMYou believe it, Hansen still doesn't.
Posted by: ddt at June 5, 2009 7:46 AMJerry Lee Lewis would be impressed.
Posted by: Manitoba Moose at June 5, 2009 7:46 AMJerry Lee Lewis would be impressed.
Posted by: Manitoba Moose at June 5, 2009 7:47 AMIt's the other way around. Global climate controls the sun's behavior. When global warming peaks it creates sun spots and solar flares. Climate Change on the other hand has the devastating effect of making the sun less active. Something has to be done, there's not much time left. The sea water is already up to my ankles and I live on the prairies. Only higher taxes can save us. The science is settled.
Posted by: Arty at June 5, 2009 7:49 AMThe delicious irony is that the stupified children coming off the public education assembly line - the very education system wrought and sculpted by our "professional" journalists, have no appetite for reading - and that includes newspapers and magazines without pictures. Television "news" is boring because it lacks a beat and saucy lyrics. Habitual consumption of the MSM "product" has been killed.
After real life bangs the younger people around a bit, they finally want information and are ready to use it - where do they turn? To the "professional" journalists? I think not. Their information tabs are opened next to youtube, google, their own blog spaces...
Posted by: shaken at June 5, 2009 7:57 AMIPCC, um, thinking...thinking, ah ha! FAIL!
Posted by: PhilM at June 5, 2009 8:02 AMI can't wait for the study that concludes increased CO2 in the atmosphere stimulates plant growth, resulting in bigger plants, bigger harvests, faster growth and regrowth of forests, and more.
Posted by: pete at June 5, 2009 8:41 AMAre you telling me the reason its warm by day and cooler by night, and cold in the winter and hot in the summer, and now warmer some years than others,
is because of the Sun?
That's just crazy talk!
Posted by: biff at June 5, 2009 8:45 AMNonsense, this is pure witchcraft you heretic! Where is Bucky the Beavers response to this?
Posted by: the champ at June 5, 2009 8:45 AMNew research my ass.
For the lack of better sources here's at least a snippet of the works by Russian scientist Alexander Chizhevski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Chizhevsky
Long before NASA was founded.
Posted by: Aaron at June 5, 2009 8:45 AMNext you'll tell us that the Sun is at the center of the solar system, rather than the Progressive Left.
Sheesh.
Posted by: biff at June 5, 2009 8:49 AMRather than Toronto, Biff! +1
Posted by: Aaron at June 5, 2009 8:50 AMI can't wait for the inevitable "I never believed any of it"
that you will get from all the people that have been preaching GW for the last 5 years.
The latest science is stettled rant from Rommbots is the science says that this year will have a strong EL Nino which will send the Global Temp into uncharted waters using the unfallible predictive science of NOAA. Same prediction was made for last year by NASA's Hansen and another La Nina happened instead so like the NASA solar predictions this has been pushed back in the hope that at some point it happens.
They are all so confused by the fact that Natural Variation which had been eliminated from their theory was affecting the temperature they are actually cheering for it to help them now.
This is science? This is like playing the the same lottery numbers forever because "they will eventually come out".
According to the scienctific method, the AGW theory is WRONG. Period. Back to the drawing board. Why has the left, the believers of Science and its restoration to its rightful place, abandoned their beliefs?
In another departure from reality...
Recently there was a Huffington Post blog comparing the demise of Krypton in the Superman Saga to Climate Change. The problem is that Krypton was a planet RULED BY A COUNCIL OF SCIENTISTS who had formed a CONCENSUS opinion that they were not in Danger from the Planet's Core exploding and Superman's Father was the ridiculed DENIER.
It was a play on "it only takes one person to prove a scientific theory wrong"
The lesson in the Superman story was a pure commentary on the dangers of CONCENSUS BASED SCIENCE ruling a SOCIETY. Even when trying to make a point they get it wrong because they do not understand the Nature of the Science which they promote.
Posted by: Illiquid Assets at June 5, 2009 11:04 AMThis information has been known for years. Is NASA still operation in 1988 mode?
Posted by: Mark Peters at June 5, 2009 11:08 AMDon't bother me with such nonsense. I'm busy painting my roof white.
Posted by: POWinCA at June 5, 2009 11:31 AM"The report concludes that evidence for climate changes based on solar radiation can be traced back as far as the Industrial Revolution."
Before that it was Ektar Egrot of Mizar 5 and his all powerful star ship that was controlling our climate. Parked in orbit around the earth for thousands of years before moving on to more interesting planets he had great fun making us hot then cold, then hot, then cold.
Posted by: Momar at June 5, 2009 11:45 AMIt can't be the sun--there's no way to blame humans for that, and no cause to raise taxes to fix it!
Posted by: Scott Jacobsen at June 5, 2009 12:15 PMNo way the sun has any effect. The lack of sunspots has absolutely nothing to do with the forecasted snow in Calgary for June 6.. or the incredible freezing so called spring we have had.
In the world of global cooling, Canada is the canary in the coal mine.. I am keeping my eye open for glacial advance!!
Posted by: james at June 5, 2009 12:59 PMHave any of you heard of Dark-Suckers. It’s a theory that electric bulbs don’t emit light but rather suck dark, and so once they are full of dark they can no longer suck. Maybe this is how our sun works; I'll need to give this some more thought. Dale...
Posted by: Dale at June 5, 2009 1:26 PM"Dark Suckers"? Don't they have those in the White House?
Posted by: ebt at June 5, 2009 1:36 PMYou can see how dark-suckers works in well with sun spots. When the sun goes through a period of sucking really hard it takes in too much dark all at once and so it gets (dark) sun spots on its surface. It’s just a theory of course.
Posted by: Dale at June 5, 2009 1:37 PMWell nature is screwed up in some way, it's too hot in Vancouver and too cold in Medicine Hat.
I blame all those windmills.
Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at June 5, 2009 1:41 PM"Basking the Earth in solar heat" should qualify the writer for a prize for bad writing.
And possibly we haven't seen anything yet. The spectral type and luminosity class of our Sun is
G2V, and from the little I've read about it, typical G2V stars have greater variability than our own - about 2% as against 1%.
A few percent doesn't sound like much, but in the crudest model it would be about 3 deg C per percent (that is a *really* crude model).
There is no gravity. The Earth sucks.
Goddard should play with his computer solar model whilst the real scientists deal with reality; the earth model. Come on get real drink Brawndo like ,like all earth modellers.Is that a word?
Posted by: john at June 5, 2009 6:09 PMThat doesnt explain snow on the prairies and nearly a 100 in Vancity, ie more pavement, fumes, people==more carbon
When F7 twisters are rolling thru Tranna while blizzards hurl thru Buffalo, and polarbears are drowning in lake erie, only then will you realize that Dion, Gore, Suzuki, Hansen and Moe are your friends. Until then you will live under the false canopy known as hardscience. SUCKERS!
The NIPCC has published its rebuttal;
http://www.nipccreport.org/aboutReport.html
All can be downloaded as html
Climate Change Reconsidered is an authoritative reply to the Fourth Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), released in 2007. The Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), whose members produced Climate Change Reconsidered, was created as a “Team B” to study the same scientific data examined by the IPCC and to arrive at an independent opinion. What is the IPCC? And why does it arrive at conclusions that are so different from those of the NIPCC?
Please pass this link on to our so called political leaders.
Posted by: james at June 5, 2009 8:11 PMIt's those dumb TV weathermen! If they'd just draw the jet stream in a straight line through, say, Churchill, problem solved...Actually two, polar bears now saved and crisis averted.
Posted by: Snagglepuss at June 5, 2009 9:39 PMThe lack of sunspots has absolutely nothing to do with the forecasted snow in Calgary for June 6
I just got back to Calgary from the twin cities. Before I left, my host warned me that Minnesota can have weird weather. I tried to explain Chinooks and getting marble-sized hail in August.
Posted by: PiperPaul at June 6, 2009 12:47 AMBefore submitting, review the post to ensure your comment is on topic and does not contain words that might get caught in the spam filter (eg: insurance, viagra, online, poker). This is not a forum or a repository for off-topic link dumps. Profanity is discouraged. Take your extended debates and/or flamewars to private email. Thankyou.