Now, now Kate. Spurious links can only be made when blaming Conservatives.

It's uninteresting when the Canadian gangsters shoot each other in a Canadian city's playground, but very worth mentioning when a shooting occurs in the States. Why so?

Good Grief, Abortion Doctors assassinated, Army Recruiters ambushed, Police Officers targeted and New Homes being torched.

Does this mean I too will be a target by some Liberal Global Warming Nutcase for driving a Chevy Truck with a V8 ?

Let me check my calendar, got to be a Gun Show somewhere this weekend.
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don't give a shit about the late term abortion guy but i do care about those who fight to protect the freedom of the late term abortion guy.

Women should be free to choose in the first three months not the last three. In the last three it looks a lot more like killing a baby than punting protoplasm. Nice try to hang this on O'Reilly.

Potential servicemen and women should be free to choose to join up anytime, anywhere. Murdering them is firstly a murder and secondly treasonous. The Negro who allegedly shot those young soldiers should be executed ASAP. Disclaimer: Same if he was a white guy.

If he goes to prison, he will, no doubt be in there withe many veterans who may not like him for shooting a couple of their own. Could be interesting.

What a sad world we live in nowadays.

Was it ever any better?

I think so.

What happened to us?

Dr. Tiller tilled each and every furrow and the harvest came.

I think I get it; if their tribe can imply that if Bill O incited someone to kill the abortionist, then our tribe can shoot back (no pun) that Jon Stewart inspired the black guy in the flesh-coloured SUV to kill the recruiter. Actually, I think that’s fair dinkum. But some of the response to that satire disappoints me.

I am always disappointed when fringe people from my tribe reveal themselves as being as lunatic as the fringe people from that other tribe. Here’s my opinion, for whatever it’s worth: You Can’t Shoot All the Hosers! (sub here abortionist, lefty, etc.)

If he goes to prison, he will, no doubt be in there withe many veterans ~ Momar

Which veterans are you talking about?

Please produce a video compilation (indeed even one instance) of Jon Stewart specifically denigrating army recruiters, or this particular army recruiter. Try for one that is not obvious comedy, but rather serious and dangerous rhetoric. Then the situation will be even remotely similar.

Clearly the lid on the stupid pills is not childproof.

Give your head a shake momar.

Clearly the lid on the stupid pills is not childproof.
Posted by: anon at June 1, 2009 5:56 PM

Yeah you seem to get in them all the time.

I hope to hell Momar was referring to veterans of the court system, not the ones who gave us our freedom.

This "anon" guy really gets around. And sometimes he/she is really silly.

If I did not know any better I would think the United States is entering their second civil war.

HAHA, you guys are too funny... We need more like you in our myspace group it is getting taken over by socialists!

http://groups.myspace.com/hawkishrepublicans

ESPECIALLY Momar!

The people killed where both killed by maniacs. It doesn’t matter squat to me what there back grounds where. Even if I think the Bad Dr. was a Killer himself. Nor the recruiters paragons.
No matter who you are, no one has the right to kill you period. Unless its war or self defense Which amounts to the same thing in my mind.
Its the killers we should be focused on, not the injured of their hate.
As long as your not doing anything illegal no matter how despicable, you work though the system, not murder to change the Law. We all have to be equal under one law in my view to have confidence in Justice having a good outcome. That & actually folks seeing Reasonableness done. Not the mad concoctions of the left. If not, it breaks up into anarchy with everyone a law to themselves.
JMO

Wait a minute. Do you have any idea how many veterans who have unfortunatley got into trouble and wound up in jail?

I don't mean to vilify veterans, but you have to be naive to not believe many inmates have served in the military.

I shall look for some stats for you.

Meanwhile piss off, I love the military and very much support the troops.

Here you dolts.

Veterans in Prison or Jail

Presents data from the 1997 Surveys of Inmates in Adult State and Federal Correctional Facilities and the 1996 Survey of Inmates in Local Jails concerning inmates' prior military service. Numeric tables present data on branch of military service, periods of wartime military service, combat duty, and type of military discharge. Tables include comparisons of veteran and nonveteran inmates' current offenses, criminal histories, sentence lengths, and basic demographics such as gender, race/Hispanic origin, and age. This BJS Special Report also presents numeric tables on inmates' reports of prior drug and alcohol abuse, substance abuse treatment, and mental health services, as well as various socioeconomic data, including employment and income at time of arrest, and prior experiences of homelessness. Highlights include the following:

* 1 in 6 incarcerated veterans were dishonorably discharged from the military.
* 1 in 5 veterans in prison or jail reported seeing combat duty during their military service.
* In 1998, an estimated 56,500 Vietnam War-era veterans and 18,500 Persian Gulf War-era veterans were held in State and Federal prisons.

http://www.ojp.gov/bjs/abstract/vpj.htm

Again, there are many vets in prison who may not like anyone who has killed one of their own for simply being a soldier.

momar wrote: Women should be free to choose in the first three months not the last three. In the last three it looks a lot more like killing a baby than punting protoplasm.

Wonder what the fetus would reply to your nonsense. The result is the same whether in the first or last month. So according to you if it 'looks' like a baby that's bad, but if it's still forming, abortion's okay? Tell that to God on judgement day. Oh you don't believe in God? Well, you will.

Your comment on veterans was out to lunch as well.

Clearly the lid on the stupid pills is not childproof.
Posted by: anon at June 1, 2009 5:56 PM

Yeah you seem to get in them all the time.

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"I know you are but what am I"? That's your response? How clever.

How about this video: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001803/. Can you guys show us a Jon Stewart equivalent, or is your comparison just a load of horsesh*t?

I think we all know the answer. Next topic.

Late term children dead.

Mr. Tiller dead.

Two recruiters dead.

Two people headed for jail.

Looks like tragedy all around. Laugh all you want, it's not so funny when it's your family involved.

The shooting belongs in the forest, or on the range.

No winners in these stories.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group "True North"

anon, to risk stating the obvious, you're a dumbass.

The point is that blaming John Stewart would be as stupid as blaming O'Reilly for a wacko offing an abortion doctor.

This Kozak knows that those DailyKos-sacks die for Lenin, not honour or glory.

Wow, I missed the comment by 'a storm is coming'.

That's what we all come here for: the insane ramblings of the unfortunates among us who remain duped by the "superstitious lucubrations of illiterate goatherds" (thank you, A.C. Grayling).

Anyway, carry on, crazy person.

Since the day they stepped foot in the country, Jon Stewart ridiculed and belittled US military efforts in Iraq, directly and indirectly - to audience applause. He was actively on the side of those who wanted them to fail.

The point being - it's as valid to tie Stewart to the actions of this murderer as it is to tie O'Reilly to the actions of another. Just holding the left to the standards they've set. So, deal with it.

And get a real name, loser.

The silly and/or dumbass anon guy is an 'Anonymouse.'

And mice *are* small animals, are they not?

The point is that blaming John Stewart would be as stupid as blaming O'Reilly for a wacko offing an abortion doctor.

Except that the situations are nothing alike. So while O'Reilly has waged a very real campaign against this man to feed to his knuckle-dragging, slack-jawed, end-of-the-world-is-nigh fanbase - you know, the ones that represent the armed, womb-booger-soldier segment of the radical right wing - Stewart has told harmless, non-aggressive jokes to his audience of mostly moderate and left-wing youth, who are in no way incited to go and kill people because of them.

In short, it is a retarded comparison, and trying to save it from drowning does not make you look any more intellectually impressive. Let it go.

Mystery solved - anon is Janet Napolitano.

when the left fghts wars, we don't lose. fellow marine veteran smedley butler wrote, 'war is a racket'. keep listening to limbaugh and oreilly, i prefer my legs..

Storm coming,

Read the comment where I posted stats on Jailed veterans.

Re Choice. I am pro life, but I am not so narrow minded that I can't allow for legitimate reasons to abort. Let me name one or two.

-Incestuous pregnancy
-Rape pregnancy
-Horrid deformation or diseased fetus

Hey, that's three.

In the first three months I have no problem with those choices. Otherwise, have the child or use birth control.

No one should be forced to have their fathers child, nor should a rapist procreate violently, nor should a woman's life be destroyed by a baby with incurable an horrid malformation or disease.

Or are you the guy who makes those decisions for women? If so, Obama could use a good control freak like you.

Since the day they stepped foot in the country, Jon Stewart ridiculed and belittled US military efforts in Iraq, directly and indirectly - to audience applause. He was actively on the side of those who wanted them to fail.

You are either ignorant, or a liar, or both. I call bullsh*t.

The point being - it's as valid to tie him to the actions of a murderer as it is to tie O'Reilly to the actions of another.

Yeah, I get the point. I understood your 'take' immediately...you see, it's really not that clever, despite what you, or your sequacious sycophants might think. The point is that it is wrong. O'Reilly actively, forcefully and outwardly made very serious accusations about the good doctor, to an audience that is very likely to act on them. Stewart made jokes only and made them with respect for the armed forces. I defy you to find any place where he denigrates the soldiers or incites any audience members to do so.

Your point was stupid. I would suggest getting off of it soon, but I rather like seeing you guys record your idiocy for the rest of the internet community.

And get a real name, loser.

Oooo, I'm a loser. Ouch. That hurts me, particularly coming from a world-renowned dog artist, but I'm not really sure how my name is any more or less real than 'a storm is coming'. In case you're not aware, this is a blog, and 'anon' doesn't map to anything less anonymous than half of the other names here. For all you know, my name could be 'Andrew Onsager'.

I think a lot of pro abortionists would change their minds if they had to visit the father I knew last Friday morning. His wife gave birth to a baby at 19 wks, and it died one hour later. They knew that would happen but he cried when he said, he had 10 perfect fingers and toes, with fingernails, a beautiful face, legs and arms. No abortion involved, just a very difficult pregnancy. To think that this Tiller killed babies much more developed than this, and the mother felt no remorse is criminal.
When one considers how many women have deliberately killed their child, in the past 20 yrs or more, no wonder we are such a non religious country. No wonder there are so many angry women out there, trying to convince us they made a great decision. We have a culture of death. Thanks to PET and his gang.

Jon Stewart may or may not have made specific anti-recruiting remarks -- but whether he has or hasn't, he's clearly been enough of a nay-sayer about the War on Terror that SDA's humorous comparison is appropriate FOR SATIRICAL PURPOSES. It's called SATIRE, you thin-skinned, dope-addled peaceniks, SATIRE!

Also: I recall libtards in the '90s SPECIFICALLY blaming Rush for having got what the left derisively calls "the lock-n-load crowd" so riled up agin the gummint that Limbaugh was PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for the OKC bombing by McVeigh & Co.

And those lefties WEREN'T being satirical.

This just in, Muslim convert is the Arkansas shooter.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-06-01-army-recruiter-killed_N.htm

A Muslim convert who said he was opposed to the U.S. military shot two soldiers outside an Arkansas recruiting station, killing one of the soldiers, police said Monday.

"This individual appears to have been upset with the military, the Army in particular, and that's why he did what he did," Little Rock Police Lt. Terry Hastings said in a phone interview.

Satire:

1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.

The definition of satire, for our generic friend "anon".

Jon Stewart was being satirical, meaning that he was exposing, denouncing, deriding, scorning and ridiculing army recruiters and the armed forces.

Yeah, just comedy. Dumbass.

SDA's humorous comparison is appropriate FOR SATIRICAL PURPOSES

Oh, I see. It wasn't intended to be a serious criticism...because that would be ridiculous, for the reasons I gave above. Good thing that we cleared that up. For all future readers: Let it be known that Kate was not seriously trying to make any claim with respect to the similarity of O'Reilly and Stewart in this matter. Good on you, Kate, for effectively retracting your asinine statement.

Also: I recall libtards in the '90s...

Oh here we go, unsubstantiated personal recollection. I could call bullsh*t on this, but that would kill your point before you even got started, since you could likely NOT provide any evidence to support your assertions. But let's see where this is going...

...SPECIFICALLY blaming Rush for having got what the left derisively calls "the lock-n-load crowd" so riled up agin the gummint that Limbaugh was PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for the OKC bombing by McVeigh & Co.

I'm not being satirical when I say O'Reilly has more of a role in the good doctor's death than Stewart has in the death of an army recruiter. I suspect they weren't being satirical for similar reasons. In any case, I don't know and I don't really care, but I'm glad we brought the terrorism angle into this. As a mindless rightwing automaton, don't you think that these domestic anti-choice terrorist groups should be investigated, given the horrific recent events?

Jon Stewart was being satirical, meaning that he was exposing, denouncing, deriding, scorning and ridiculing army recruiters and the armed forces.
Yeah, just comedy. Dumbass.

Thanks for looking up the word in the dictionary. Your brilliance and technical savvy are extraordinary.

Please do provide those links to the particular Stewart moments that you speak of. I would like to see them so that we can compare them to the clip that I provided of O'Reilly. Surely you will agree to this, since you certainly would want to provide evidence of an equal caliber to that which I brought to the discussion. Otherwise, you risk looking like a liar.

Momar wrote: In the first three months I have no problem with those choices. Otherwise, have the child or use birth control.
..No one should be forced to have their fathers child, nor should a rapist procreate violently, nor should a woman's life be destroyed by a baby with incurable an horrid malformation or disease.

That's not what you said in an earlier post momar. Here is what you said:
Women should be free to choose in the first three months not the last three. In the last three it looks a lot more like killing a baby than punting protoplasm.

You made no mention about rapists or anything else. Don't tell me you're pro-life. It's like pissing down my back and telling me it's raining. A pro-lifer is just that, pro-life.

By the way, I'm not a control freak and I hardly think obummer would have me in his circle of friends or government. I'm just a guy with opinions the same as you. You don't like my opinion? Too bad. I'm not crazy about yours either.

maybe these recruiters should not be walking the malls and streets of this country, wearing their camofluage, computer generated uniforms...maybe if you dumbass civilians realized that there are no jobs left in this country, the age of the soldiers killed in these o'reilly wars, is about 28! they join the service and stand against big government? do you see the drunk bush twins in Iraq? or cheney's lesbo christian daughter in Iraq? hey kate you must be old, or fat to support these racist cowardly fake wars..or your absentee father is old white fat & racist...reguards from a liberal, socialist ex marine plt sgt ...bring Sherman back and Nationalize everything...you bunch of cowards..

anon wrote: Wow, I missed the comment by 'a storm is coming'.
That's what we all come here for: the insane ramblings of the unfortunates among us who remain duped by the "superstitious lucubrations of illiterate goatherds" (thank you, A.C. Grayling).
Anyway, carry on, crazy person.

Thanks for the laugh..lefty. I guess I'll go tend to my goat herd now. You won't mind if I name the runt of the litter after you will you? I didn't think so.

usmc veteran I don't see Chelsea there either. They were not recruiters, they were kids that were there to tell kids how it changed their lives. One was 18.

"reguards from a liberal, socialist ex marine plt sgt"

Sober up Sarge. You got work in the morning.

"bring Sherman back and Nationalize everything...you bunch of cowards"

It's always the boys from the catering co that talk the toughest. The boys who have seen action tend to keep things quiet and on a respectful note even when they disagree. It's called discipline.

I've done a post juxtaposing the murder of the abortionist and the reaction by abortionists... with the murder of the US soldier-recruiter today and asked whether the abortionists are going to blame the entire Muslim world for the soldier's murder, as they blamed the entire pro-life movement for the other murder...

http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2009/06/muslim-convert-to-be-charged-for-murder.html

You won't mind if I name the runt of the litter after you will you? I didn't think so.

Go for it. Unlike kooky religious anti-SSM crusaders, I don't really waste energy on, nor do I care about, things that don't affect my life.

Name your goat whatever you want.

I think Mark Hankins and "usmc veteran" are from the same platoon as John Murtha.

jwkozak91 I think usmc veteran is posting from his momma paid dorm room. It's a volunteer military and with his attitude he would be the practice dummy for the self defense class.

as they blamed the entire pro-life movement for the other murder...

Any Muslim that advocates or incites for the demise of soldier-recruiters is partly to blame, as is any abortionist that does the same for their chosen nemeses.

Less responsible, but contributing to the problem nonetheless, are the morons (militant Muslim and O'Reilly alike) that incite people to hate their respective nemeses, particularly when they are aware of the audience to which they preach.

Yes, I put O'Reilly and militant Muslims in the same sentence. It was fun.

1.18, so what
2. 23, very old for recent bootcamp graduate
3. I know they are not Recruiters, they volunteer to help recruiters in order to extend their leave from bootcamp..
4. yes, aren't you racist cowards brillant? (bored), (sleazy), and slovak, all think syvester stallone, bill o'reilly, rush limbaugh, oakridge boys, lee greenwood and arnold schwarzanegger are real...oops meant gord, and speedy..
5. I hope all you bastards get wiped out in North Korea, just like the first one..
6. Freedom of speech, uhh, maybe the revolutionary war not panama, chile, santo domingo, vietnam, or any other illegal invasion..
7. Kellogg Brown & Root, was in vietnam, with shell oil, but you idiots would call them Hallburton..their hdqtrs?? Cayman islands so they won't pay taxes to the United States (homeland) for you bush faggots...duH

You all do realize that we have an Anon. (7:47) AND an anon (all over the place)?
I say it's plain bad manners. You heard the lady. ("Ghost of Che" hasn't been taken yet, as far as I'm aware.)

I see the trollocracy is out in force tonight. Kate really p'd you useful idiots off, eh? Kewl!

"O'Reilly's show inspired the doctor killer but Jon Stewart's show had -nothing- to do with the "recent Muslim convert" killing the soldiers! Yes! Only NeoCon TV guys can inspire bad things!!!"

Say it louder, geniuses. If you shriek loudly enough, maybe you will convince us. Use more exclamation marks and bad language, that'll help too.

But you know, the "recent Muslim convert" guys are starting to pick up a bit of a body count. My money says they'll be well ahead of the abortion doctor killers all time collected count real soon now. Already have them beat for this century, I think.

A Murtha Marine! You just reminded me how much I missed POTUS Bush. Thank you.

Horrors! "Murtha Marine" is a homophobe!

anon - the problem with your assertions is that they are reductionist and mechanical. People aren't machines, and your assertion that because O'Reilly argues against abortion, THEN, he is responsible, even in part, for Tiller's murder is sheer nonsense.

Could you provide proof that the audience of O'Reilly are all 'knuckle dragging, etc etc'? And that they are heavily predisposed to 'act' on his criticisms against abortion? Also, some proof that O'Reilly has a role in the death of the doctor?

As I said, to link what O'Reilly says against abortion to someone killing an abortionist is a mechanical link. You really need some proof that the connection is there; otherwise, it's totally 'all in your mind'.

Horrors! "Murtha Marine" is a homophobe!

BTW, O'Reilly favours abortion on demand, he just draws the line at (very) late-term infanticide. And shouldn't you guys be discussing this on the Killer Tiller Killer thread?

A Murtha Marine!

To stupid to respond to. Shouldn't you be playing video games or something? The grownups are trying to talk.

Momar is basically repeating the same tired feminist rant: No child an unwanted child. No child, no human being, should ever be made to feel unwanted,by being conceived through rape (a near impossibility) incest or born imperfect.

Isn't this standard procedure for the religion of peace, ambush the victims then surrender rather than standing and fighting. This wasn't murder it was an act of war by an illegal combatant.

These servicemen should be afforded the full honors afforded to combat casualties. Their families should be compensated as if they were killed in combat.

mid island mike

ET:

Forget about the intended audience, it is mostly irrelevant**. What O'Reilly said is far more dangerous and inflammatory than anything Stewart has ever said. Furthermore, Stewart's is a comedy show, whereas O'Reilly presumes to host a news show.

Have you watched the clip of O'Reilly? I'll fill you in - there is a significant difference in the *mood* (to say the least) between O'Reilly's angry rhetoric and Stewart's light-hearted jokes.

For one thing, I don't think I've heard Stewart call anyone a "baby killer".

** I say mostly irrelevant, because if the programming is a reflection of the audience then we know the audience O'Reilly panders to pretty well.

I choose life.

The issue isn't whether one murder was better than the other. They are both crimes.

The issue is that the leftist media has made a celebrity about the baby butcher and the murdered soldier is on page 17 below a 'cat in tree' story.

As a soldier in the SF Bay Area I was often threatened or harassed merely for wearing my uniform. It should be a felony to assault a service member and interfering with military operations, including recruiting, should be considered treason.

Abortion protestors blocking abortuaries get arrested and fined. Anti-war protestors blocking recruiting stations get.... nothing but press coverage.

I'm guessing anon is no enemy of the CHRC.

Well, to get back on topic for this thread, the FBI had been watching the Muslim shooter:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7730637&page=1

And luckily, Mike, the black soldier is in stable condition and not dead.

The Daily Show comes on after a show that has puppets making prank phone calls.

Stewart's show is watched mostly by stoners that are not going to get off the sofa to kill anybody.

To compare Bill and Jon is the real joke here.

[quote]What O'Reilly said is far more dangerous and inflammatory than anything Stewart has ever said.[/quote]

Anon,
You give O'Reily more credit than he deserves{sarc off)

I thought he handled it very well...although I would have "flashed" the on Air pictures of those people claiming he had power over all the crazies.

When crazy becomes real.. they need a signal!

Just messing with your mind

"The people killed were both killed by maniacs"

Yup, with God on their side.

And the practitioners of one of those religions condemned the act of violence, outright. And we all know atheists never kill anyone, not in the single digits or in the tens of millions, in the name of whatever they've replaced God with.

Strange... I haven't seen any reports in the Canadian Big Media outlets on the slaying of the US soldier by the Muslim guy. They all report on the slain abortionist, but won't touch the slain-soldier story. Strange.

Just what I thought. Majority of you don't give a damn about what is actually going on in Canada. It's all about enlightened retoric and blaming the left.

no, anon, you still haven't answered my questions.

You haven't explained your assumption that people are mechanical entities; that they act according to TV programs.

You haven't proven your assertion that all people who watch O'Reilly are 'knuckle draggers'. Your claim that his program is 'a reflection of the audience' and is about/for 'knuckle draggers' is your opinion. I think your opinion remains your own - unless you can substantiate it.

Your claim that what O'Reilly said is dangerous and inflammatory also requires proof. After all, this means, that in your worldview, no-one can say anything critical because it would 'inflame' others. This requires evidence - just as your view that when no-one says anything critical and just talks 'comedy', then no violence could ever occur.

So, your assertions remain your personal opinions, without validity. As such, I strongly disagree with them - both your view that people are mechanical entities and your view that when people hear only comedy and no strong criticism, that violence would cease.

ET:

So your opinion, then, is that Stewart's show is as dangerous as O'Reilly's? You think that referring to someone as a 'baby killer', on a national news show catering to a largely right-wing audience (where one is sure to find the larger proportion of the militant pro-life crowd), is on the same level as making jokes about politicians on a late-night subscriber-based comedy channel?

Or are you saying you believe the above is just as likely as not, because you don't have any statistical evidence to the contrary?

Please spare me the disingenuous demands for absolute proof. It's nothing but sophistry served up with red herring. It is the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.

anon- you seem to operate in an irrational manner.

When I say that your assumption that O'Reilly's show leads people to violence is invalid, because it asserts that people are mechanical entities - then, this obviously means that I am NOT saying that Stewart's show 'is as dangerous as O'Reilly's'!!!

My point is that people are not mechanical puppets; they aren't controlled by any TV show!

Again, your assertion that the 'pro-life' people are militant, while the abortion people are not militant is unsubstantiated. I'm sure you must be aware of the violence of the pro-abortion set.

Heh - sorry, but a demand for proof for your assertions isn't a red herring or 'intellectual dishonesty'. Evidence for assertions is basic empirical and logical science. And don't be disingenuous; science doesn't ask for 'absolute proof'. But I'd like some tiny bit of evidence for your assertions. So far, all we have from you are your words. No proof. None. Just froth.

You provide absolutely no evidence for your assertions. These include your assertions that O'Reilly's viewers are 'knuckle draggers'; that people are mechanical entities who don't make their own decisions but are puppets of TV shows; that pro-life people are all militant.

So, provide some evidence for your assertions. Why should anyone accept what you have to say without any evidence? Just because you say it?

Let's just agree that Tiller was not even remotely in the same league as a doctor who labours to find a cure for cancer and that shooting people is wrong.
Furthermore, if you say something unsubstantiated, you'll be called upon. "Protoplasm"? A baby feels pain at eleven weeks in utero. "Knuckle-dragging"? University-educated people drag their knuckles, do they?
Whatever.

It's really annoying having to wade thru all the flame wars to find any intelligent comments. Reminds me of IRC days.
I am saddened by any loss of life, especially when it's senseless, executed by brainwashed misguided fools. I say fools, because we all have choices to make every day, and for me personally, choosing to convert to jihadist islam is foolish. I find what Tiller did to be reprehensible, just as I find abortion to be so. The real problem is a combination of laziness, and selfish pursuit of pleasure (hedonism). You see, there are various choices for birth control (to fuel the gratification crowd) so there is no need for abortion as a means of birth control. If you don't want to chance pregnancy, practise birth control ie prevention of insemination. Selfish laziness in failing to do so, is not commendable.
In today's "modern" societies, the same old things that brought down previous civilisations are rampant.

"Forget about the intended audience, it is mostly irrelevant**. What O'Reilly said is far more dangerous and inflammatory than anything Stewart has ever said."

anon

And so it follows; O'Reilly must be silenced and Jon stewart promoted because,... anon say's so.
Spoken like a Human Rights Courts suck up fascist POS.
Kiss my ass freak.

Paul, when husband and wife use birth control and it fails, but wife's health would not allow her to deliver, what should she do? I would abort the baby to save my wife's life and try again later if her condition improved. Would you kill your wife hoping for the baby to survive?

anon

"Oh here we go, unsubstantiated personal recollection. I could call bullsh*t on this, but that would kill your point before you even got started, since you could likely NOT provide any evidence to support your assertions. But let's see where this is going..."

"Please spare me the disingenuous demands for absolute proof."

You know you're more hysterical and more hatemongering than the people you are accusing of being hatemongering about? The only difference is that you don't seem bright enough to see the obvious of both your own contradictions or the need not to make yourself look like a dimwit.

Your point, insofar as you have one, seems to be that Stewart is ok cause he's funny but O'Reilly is bad cause he isn't funny and you don't like his style. I suppose given the style over substance history of the left, I shouldn't be surprised.

As for the penchant for violence in the pro-life set, they've taken out maybe 3 or 4 doctors in the last 40 years. I'd say they're more peaceful than the US left who have (through various terrorist groups like the black panthers, weather underground, Ayers et al) have killed a whole lot more than that. So, if the audience is to be vetted for violence before one is allowed the priviledge of voicing an opinion, I'd say the NYT has more reason to be careful with its words than Fox.

As for abortion doctors, at a death rate like that, their job is almost as hazardous as your average ER nurse and far safer than a factory worker.

But logic isn't the left's strong point.

Murder is wrong under any circumstance and the person responsible should face the full extent of the law. But... I will mourn only for the approx. 60,000 late-term babies (not fetuses, babies) this man snuffed out, becoming a millionaire while doing so. Late-term babies, probably most of them viable. How many of those helpless little faces did he have to look at while finding a way to destroy their lives?? Can you imagine what kind of person performs a job like that? And this guy went to church? Huh??

Babies that could have been adopted. What a waste.

I like to imagine all those sweet cherubs looking down from heaven on him right now, as he is facing the pit of hell and getting acquainted with the likes of Hitler and a few choice other villains of history.

My opinion only and yes I am entitled to it.

Posted by: Aaron at June 2, 2009 3:11 PM

Oh, please. Tell us THAT isn't the crux of your stand on "pro choice". You can't be that naive, surely. Even for the left, that's the weakest straw man ever.

Before dropping that canard, why not dig up some stats to find out how many of these cases actually exist, compared to the hundreds of thousands of babies that are killed for the sake of "inconvenience". I think you'd find a huge majority of SDA readers wouldn't take your "what about the mother" bait, and would actually side with their spouses, in this case. It might be tough sledding in the case of aborting a healthy 3rd trimester baby (oops, sorry, "fetus" is the term you'd likely prefer), and I envy nobody who's ever had to make that decision, as it would haunt one to the end of their life, regardless of the choice.

Your example has the same credibility as those who rail against seatbelt usage, stating "what if my car went in the water and the seatbelt jammed". There's a better chance of getting struck by lightning than falling prey to that scenario. And, for the record, I'm pro-seatbelt usage for myself and my kids, but believe it should be a personal choice, and not mandated by government. Just one of those little Freedom and Liberty peccadilloes I've collected in my travels.

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