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May 27, 2009

Y2Kyoto: Two By Two

I have an idea. Why not build a really big boat?

Rapid climate change is forcing scientists to consider for the first time whether to help wildlife relocate to places where they are not currently found, says a group of international researchers who have created a tool for evaluating such relocations.

The world is being run by crazy people.


h/t Oz.

Posted by Kate at May 27, 2009 12:35 AM
Comments

Ugh. I've got to stop clicking links to CBC that have anything to do with AGW.

Posted by: meshuggah at May 27, 2009 12:53 AM

there is no byline, does that mean this is too stupid to attribute?

or is the CBC so impartial, they're no longer necessary?
at least they didn't mention the rabbits and infamous toads in Oz...

Posted by: marc in calgary at May 27, 2009 12:56 AM

Following Noah's lead, we only need two of everything (unless same-sex pairing is involved). Mind you, the polar bears will easily polish off a couple of seals so we may need some spares.

Posted by: DaveCF at May 27, 2009 1:04 AM

Maybe the worm is starting to turn.
Uncle Als going to be POd.
Via Drudge, a new ABC show mocking greenies.
I bet it doesn't make two episodes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574180442354457688.html

“Goode” lampoons a liberal Midwestern household. In “Goode,” the characters are often mocked for being green just to fit in with their friends and neighbors. They are a perfect target for the 46-year-old Mr. Judge and his two longtime co-writers, John Altschuler and Dave Krinsky, who have made careers out of finding humor in the follies and pretensions of everyday people.

Posted by: G at May 27, 2009 1:11 AM

DaveCF,
The "food animals" were actually collected in 7s not just 2s if I recollect my Bible teachings.

Thank you for my first ever hat tip anywhere, Kate. Your blog rocks. It's a privilege.

Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009 1:22 AM

Two By two - yup. By crazies - that also.

For proof, see the comments following the CBC link.

They are arguing the merits of religion WRT GW.

Actually, I have said that all along - AGW is just another religion. He believes that, I believe this. Those bow, these bow. No proof there, no proof here. Taxes here, collection plate there.

Beliefs - they always lead to a stalemate ! The best kind of controversy. Cannot be proven either way - at least initially. The MSM's perpetual motion.

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For those who may have dismissed the notion of a UN Agenda for a New World Religion used to usher in sweeping anti-constitutional environmental agreements, I offer the following.

“The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments.”
— Maurice Strong

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/Earth_Charter_Ark.htm


Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 27, 2009 1:24 AM

Lord Moncton was on Roy Green show last evening. He said GW is all bunk and I think he used the F word (Fraud).
He has a video he said can be found here: scienceandpublicpolicy.org

Posted by: Gunney99 at May 27, 2009 1:28 AM

Y2by2Kyoto

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 27, 2009 1:30 AM

Look, global warming (sic) was fine before the economy tanked - now it is just a silly historical diversion

Let's all move on, shall we?

Stupid greenies.

Really, let's just work to a voluntary "use less" policy - and if people don't bite - too bad, so sad.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at May 27, 2009 1:49 AM

How about relocating cane toads to Australia?

Posted by: rachel corrie at May 27, 2009 1:58 AM

I thought that relocating species was considered eco-terrorisim. Y'know, they end up displacing the indiginous species already there because of a lack of preditors and such.

Posted by: Leanne at May 27, 2009 2:02 AM

I thought that relocating species was considered eco-terrorisim.
~Leanne | May 27, 2009 2:02 AM

Not necessarily...it depends on your motives.
Your heart has to be in the right place.

I vote we relocate the Western Diamondback Rattlesnakes to Iran and the Wolverines to North Korea while the Grizzly Bears would probably get along nicely with the Pandas in the Peoples Republic of China and the Timber Wolves and Cougars would make out like bandits in Venezuela.

Now where to put the Skunks...?

Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009 2:19 AM

And the Law Of Unintended Consequences™ is invoked in three.....two.....one.....

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at May 27, 2009 2:32 AM

Put the loony left on the damn boat.

Coal-fired boilers and a lump of coal for each one of those nimrods.

Rip off the rudder too. They spend life without meaningful direction anyway...

Posted by: Curious at May 27, 2009 3:06 AM

These are free samples, right? Do they come with recipes?

Posted by: ural at May 27, 2009 3:06 AM

Speaking of crazy people, I understand that Obama's Regime wants us to paint our roofs white to save the world...

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=99290

Posted by: Canadian Sentinel at May 27, 2009 5:18 AM

Now where to put the Skunks...?
Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009
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What an interesting question :>)
I nominate those prissy animal-hugging Euros.


Posted by: obamasucks at May 27, 2009 5:36 AM

I Noah Moses and Big Al's Noah Moses.

But seriously folks if this is for the good of Gaia, I volunteer to work on a rescue yacht travelling to the imperiled islands of the South Pacific, the Maldives etc.
Don’t count me in for Bangladesh; I just couldn’t do a proper job without bacon for breakfast.

Posted by: Cal at May 27, 2009 5:47 AM

I wouldn't say the world is run by crazy people.

IMHO, a large number of crazy people should produce decisions that, when aggregated, obey the law of large numbers (since they make so many decisions). This means that the statistical distribution of these decisions (if mapped to good or bad results) should be zero-mean Gaussian. Or in other words, they should make as many good decisions as bad decisions.

Do to the strong bias present in a lot of these decisions, this does not suggest randomness. Thus, craziness should be discounted.

Rather, it appears to me that delusional is a more apt description of the decisions made. Delusions of grandeur, omniscience, entitlement, etc, etc..

Basically, we have a bunch of deluded, yet driven, egotistical idiots running the show. We literally would probably do much better just by putting monkeys in charge.

Posted by: Frenchie77 at May 27, 2009 6:07 AM

typo - "Due" not "Do"

Posted by: Frenchie77 at May 27, 2009 6:08 AM

skunks. do they not reside in the many parlimentary offices around canada and the world.

Posted by: old white guy at May 27, 2009 6:14 AM

...There were green alligators, and long-necked geese, some humpty-backed camels and some chimpanzees, some cats and rats and elephansts, but sure as you're born, the loveliest of all was the unicorn...

~~favill~~

Posted by: favill at May 27, 2009 8:19 AM

I am all for relocating the Mosquitoes... At least until the summer is over.

Posted by: David at May 27, 2009 8:37 AM

For a history of successful species relocation see below...

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Who can argue with a record like that?

Posted by: Illiquid Assets at May 27, 2009 8:53 AM

No doubt brought to you by the same folks who built Biosphere 2 ... funny you don't hear much about it's total failure lately.

http://biology.kenyon.edu/slonc/bio3/2000projects/carroll_d_walker_e/whatwentwrong.html

... but moving on ... now it is time to build a modern Noah's ark patterned on magnificent success of Biosphere 2.

Posted by: Brian at May 27, 2009 9:07 AM

Research grant parasites.

Posted by: Gord Tulk at May 27, 2009 9:12 AM

Um, isn't there a reason why those animals aren't found there?

Let's relocate polar bears into Stornoway, whales to North Dakota, and scorpions to Toronto.

Posted by: grok at May 27, 2009 9:24 AM

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea may also consider refereeing the Shark vs. Grizzly bout.

Posted by: eljay at May 27, 2009 9:29 AM

Any self-respecting scorpion finding itself in Toronto would relotate itself somewhere else - at very least to Etobicoke.

Posted by: John Lewis at May 27, 2009 9:44 AM

[quote]We literally would probably do much better just by putting monkeys in charge.[/quote]

Frenchie77,
This all comes down to Management 101.. In the world of stupid decisions incompetence raises its ugly head.

When decisions are made (at higher levels) that have a negative impact ones area of responsibility a manager must never sit on his hands. When in that meeting with your boss & his bosses you have ~45 sec to make your best case before a non-reversal decision is made. You cannot change (post mortem) any decision that you had an opportunity to influence without getting fired for incompetence.

We have to many silent monkeys, sitting on thier hands, in the scientific & legal community

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at May 27, 2009 10:19 AM

As usual the CBC just pontificates declarations of faith....false assumptions....such as the debate is over.....
The very best solution to a non-existant problem is to do nothing......
Christopher Moncton

Posted by: sasquatch at May 27, 2009 10:22 AM

In light of the rapidly cooling climate (last year had the single biggest one year drop in global temperature on recored) I support the plan to relocate animals to warmer climes.

However a giant sled might be more appropos.

Posted by: Bart F. at May 27, 2009 10:30 AM

I think we should start selling vacation homes on Baffin Island to leftards.

We could market it as waterfront property - currently in cold-storage.

Posted by: Jason at May 27, 2009 10:30 AM

Most species survived the last ice age without a group of lefty enviromentalists guiding them.

Posted by: bob at May 27, 2009 10:34 AM

Y2Kyoto: Two By Two

A 2x4 would pack more wallop. Oh, what's that - you're not talking about whacking them upside the head? Never mind.

Posted by: Kathryn at May 27, 2009 10:37 AM

Well, Jason. Europeans didn't mind Baffin Island once upon a time.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Technology/Vikings+visited+Canadian+Arctic+research+suggests/1633266/story.html
[Even if it was during the Medieval Warm Period and ended with the global cooling of the Little Ice Age.]

Posted by: rachel corrie at May 27, 2009 11:10 AM

Neo-paganism is so totally non-progressive.

Posted by: set you free at May 27, 2009 11:14 AM

Steven Chu is using the "paint all the roofs white to stop global warming" shtick again.

Its like they want people to think they are stupid.

Posted by: bob at May 27, 2009 11:32 AM

Frenchie 77 nails it !!

"Basically, we have a bunch of deluded, yet driven, egotistical idiots running the show. We literally would probably do much better just by putting monkeys in charge."

But why are they so DRIVEN !? To the point of being childish, even ?

Hey, what is their alternative to the gov't teat ? They are desperate. Where else could they make a living, complete with cushy pension plan ?

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 27, 2009 11:35 AM

Reading some of the comments on the article there it's hard to decide who's crazier, the "journalist" who wrote this tripe, or the radical ecofascists commenting afterwards.

Tell me again why sterilization is a bad idea? There's got to be a way to breed this maniacal hubris out of our populace.

Posted by: meshuggah at May 27, 2009 11:39 AM

"I wouldn't say the world is run by crazy people."

I wouldn't say so either.

I wouldn't say it being "run" at all.

There are people who think they are running things, and there are people who think other people are running things, but, in the end, what happens just happens ... much to everyone's surprise.

Therein lies the hope of mankind.

Posted by: pok at May 27, 2009 11:42 AM

Are these the same people, or type of people that want to cover the Sahara Desert with a reflecting thermal blanket to offset Global warming?

If they DO go ahead with this idea, may I respectfully request they relocate Cape Buffalo to B.C.

It would make hunting a lot more exciting.

Posted by: dmorris at May 27, 2009 12:28 PM

Meanwhile, The Gore Crowd prostitutes itself in more ways than one.

[Climate Conference Sex Boom

Copenhagen’s sex trade did brisk business during the recent business climate conference. ] Politiken

http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/article719339.ece

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 27, 2009 12:40 PM

How about relocating "Greenies" to places like Africa's Sudan, Afganistan, or any other under developed 3rd world nation that will suffer from not being able to develope their natural resources like the first world nations that are singing the praises of AGW... as for relocating animals which was the point of the article to begin with ... "DON'T SCREW WITH MOTHER NATURE" didn't you idiots learn anything from all the other historical screw ups of introducing animals to enviroments they don't naturally exist in to begin with...

Posted by: MrEd at May 27, 2009 12:44 PM

"The world is being run by crazy people."

No argument there Kate, but as I witness the free world in total meltdown; it's systematic economic destruction being the main driver of my concerns, I am saddened by the fact that when my wife and I make our planned move to escape the crashing civilisation by finally moving away to our little piece of land up north, we are entering this stupid cooling phase.

The last 2 decades of natural warming period have been a boon for all of us Canucks and most of the world for that matter. Now that humanoid life is about to get a lot tougher (Think Great Depression x 5 + WWIII) on this planet, coincidently, another cooling period is kicking in too.

Should we just party our brains and livers and eventually our lives off compressed in the next 5 years or so by burning our nest egg full tilt before it ends up in some Government or investment gone sour bank coffer somewhere?

Or should we just try and grow potatoes and carrots in frozen soil overlooked by mostly cloddy skies for the next 20 years?

Canada's a great country to live in when we have prosperity...And warmer weather.
Going south when Sodom and Gomorrah is burning ain't that great an option either.

That "party" is sounding better by the minute! ;-)

Posted by: Right Honorable Terry Tory at May 27, 2009 1:24 PM

[quote]Steven Chu is using the "paint all the roofs white to stop global warming" shtick again.

Its like they want people to think they are stupid.[/quote]

Bob,
Steven Chu is speaking to the Carbon Market...
SEE! We have no solutions to threaten the Market & he intends to keep it that way. He is a warm & cuddly turd.

AGW is not the main goal of these vermin. If you do a quick read on the three levels of simple Project Management, although this is a very sophisticated project, and plug in the obvious data you have a Picture that looks like this

MISSON Statement: "To connect Co2 to Climate" such that carbon becomes a commodity

The process’s used to accomplish this Task (make up the Cloud of the Unknown) are AGW/ Global Cooling/ and anything that will avoid PROOF …The role of AL to manipulate public opinion, the Stank's need for California Cash and every other politician on the take

The Management level; meant to verify the Mission Statement compliance. This coordinates the process such that time lines & manpower allocations are meet... Stomp out fires. They are the paymasters & scum masters


It all comes to a stop when a Class Action lawsuit is filed and the EPA "MUST" prove its Science. IMHO the science was never meant to exist

What is not to understand? The reasons “why” are more complicated and are above my pay group

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at May 27, 2009 1:40 PM

"Tell me again why sterilization is a bad idea?"

Blame externalization.

Posted by: Daniel M. Ryan at May 27, 2009 1:47 PM

Mao Stlong (Hi. I'm the Canadian uncle of Canadian Riberal Boob Lae) say, O's Chu not a clazy people.

Chu goody, goody on Gleat White Conspilacy.
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"Obama Energy Secretary [Chu]: Paint World White to Fight Global Warming"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2259119/posts
(H/T Canadian Sentinel)

Posted by: maz2 at May 27, 2009 1:57 PM

BTW: The Carbon Guys are winning... all the dialog is over the science of AGW, the connection of Carbon to Climate seems to be conceded... It will Stick unless its challenged

Posted by: Phillip G. Shaw at May 27, 2009 2:00 PM

Isn't the "paint all the roofs white to stop global warming" a clear admission that there really is something to the Urban Heat Island Effect and if so, since the surface measurements are so skewed by the UHI Effect, that there really isn't any Global warming?

Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009 2:02 PM

Paint the roofs white eh? Aren't solar panels, for lack of a better description, rather black?

Do they even consider where all that heat energy goes when it's not absorbed by my roof?

Next we'll be making sure highways are mirror surfaces. Anything life that's black in color will be forcibly removed to areas that are predominantly white to encourage evolutionary shifting towards a more Nature friendly hues.

I say it, it's insane. Some ecofascist says it, and the MSM quotes it as a foregone conclusion.

Posted by: meshuggah at May 27, 2009 2:48 PM

The next time some green idiot blathers on about "the science is settled", consider this:

The American Psychiatric Association considered homosexuality a mental disorder until late in 1973. This association of MD's believed their science was "settled" until December of that year.

Perhaps we should have wrote off any other research or studies in homosexuality and let those people continue to think they were mentally "flawed", because the science was settled.

Nothing regarding climate change or - even worse - AGW is "settled", and especially not because suzuki, strong, gore & all the other trough-wallowers say it is.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Posted by: mhb at May 27, 2009 2:51 PM

Maybe if they paint all the roofs in the cities the "wallmart parking lot type " temperature sensors will start to record some cooling....presto global warming stopped.

Posted by: bob at May 27, 2009 2:54 PM

At the risk of being politically incorrect I'll say: Fk the animals.

I'm still not sure how my life has been negatively effected by the extinction of the Dodo Bird.

I like protecting animals that are endangered, I especially love birds. That being said, I suspect if we let every animal take care of themselves and Obama forbid we lost some species ie... bald eagles and humpbacked whales, it wouldn't make any difference at all. North Korea would still be testing missiles, Ontario would still be voting Liberal and Cap'nTrade would still be coming. So, what is any of it for except making ourselves feel good?

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 27, 2009 3:09 PM

mhb

"Nothing regarding climate change or - even worse - AGW is "settled",'

Sorry dude, I have to disagree. Politically in Canada and most likely in the USA Global Warming and AGW are settled.(There is still hope that Congress in the US will not pass Cap'nTrade, and the Jays might make the playoffs also, but I won't bet on either)

btw, perhaps George Clinton won't get his wish to "paint the Whitehouse black".

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 27, 2009 3:26 PM

Indy, you have obviously never tasted bbq'd Dodo.

Posted by: Texas Canuck at May 27, 2009 3:30 PM

Montaigne (1533-1592) asked:
Que sais je? -- "What do I know?"

Geologist (2009} says in his lecture: "hydrothermal explosions" are a "rarity".
...-

"Geologists witness rare Yellowstone explosion

YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK, Wyo. (AP) - A geologist at Yellowstone National Park was in the middle of a lecturing a group of colleagues on the rarity of hydrothermal explosions earlier this month when, all of a sudden, one went off just behind him.

Geologist Hank Heasler was giving a lecture in the Biscuit Basin on May 17 when a hot pool behind him exploded. It spewed mud, rocks and hot water about 50 feet in the air.

Geologists only know of only a handful of such unpredictable explosions in Yellowstone's recorded history. Heasler and the others were just out of reach of the hot showering hot water and other debris."
http://www.ktvq.com/Global/story.asp?S=10416002

Posted by: maz2 at May 27, 2009 3:38 PM

Indiana -

I would somewhat agree with your dismal pronouncement on the current political state of "settled science" regarding AGW. However, if we wish to save the remnants of our manufacturing, indeed, perhaps, our way of life, everyone must fight the PC orthodoxy surrounding the green cult of environmentalism, especially regarding greenhouse gases.

More and more scientists are refuting the "settled science" each day, at the risk of their reputations, government grants, and more. This isn't a battle to get weak-kneed about.

mhb

Posted by: mhb at May 27, 2009 3:59 PM

Now where to put the Skunks...?
Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009
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Washington...????

Posted by: FREE at May 27, 2009 4:06 PM

mhb

"If you can’t beat them, join them."

First, I hate what I'm writing, I hate all of this AGW BS, redistribution of wealth ect; but because of the reasons below, I feel it’s time to regroup and move with force on other issues. Money is money regardless of which pocket it comes out of, so I suggest that perhaps the focus should be cutting expenses in other areas to attempt soften the new burden.

That being said, using NDP logic, it appears that 99% of Canadians voted for parties that are committed to fighting AGW. I believe that this deal is done. Once it's implemented, and only then, will our politicians admit(I use the term loosely because I don't believe they believe what they're selling) that they've been hoodwinked; but, as I've mentioned before it will be too late. Our governments will not be able to eliminate the taxes on Carbon because they will be dependant on the revenue; or that’s what they will tell us.

As I'm writing a light has gone on in my head. We seem to be going into the abyss with respect to spending, so our government(s) will need extra revenue to make payments.

"How convenient" - The Church Lady.

JMO

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 27, 2009 4:51 PM

"Indy, you have obviously never tasted bbq'd Dodo."

No, but I'll be considering BBQ'd Quaker if my parrot doesn't quit stealing things from around the house.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at May 27, 2009 5:23 PM

Relocation is already passe.

Check out comments on U of Washington Prof Peter Ward's new book "The Medea Hypothesis: Is life on Earth Ultimately Self-Destructive?" at www.terradaily.com.

Teaser:
'There's no Gaia. There's just this dumb, blind life. It tries out all kinds of new things that are good for new kinds of life but are detrimental to everything else that exists. The innovations lead to disaster.' Ward said.

Gee I wonder if the Caitlin Expedition would care to make a few testimonial remarks here?

Posted by: rockyt at May 27, 2009 6:10 PM

If you in the mood to crush a Gaia worshiping eco-pagan's spirit try this line:

There is no gravity, the Earth just sucks!

or

The Earth first, we'll pave the moon later!

or

Don't worry about my foot print if you haven't freaked over Al Gore's butt print.

Posted by: Oz at May 27, 2009 6:24 PM

Earth can never be free of farting smelly stinking carbon based life forms. I shall pray at the next Carbon Sabbath Kairos version that Gia have a shave and convert to a cue ball not unlike the moon; acne of human detritus.

Posted by: john at May 27, 2009 7:58 PM

Indiana Homez said "I'm still not sure how my life has been negatively effected by the extinction of the Dodo Bird."

We may never know but I'm sure that KFC could have done something interesting with a bird like that. Picture a drum stick with a web foot. Mmmm.

Posted by: gord at May 27, 2009 7:58 PM

Interesting isn't it? Living in an age where madmen are considered sane. Where emotion tops logic. Feeling are more important than morals.
Ideas only flow one way, in the mood of the times.
We discuss overpopulation while our numbers decline.
Its a comic opera with a rousing climax, only to turn into a tragady that could have been avoided.
Lucky us?
JMO

Posted by: Revnant Dream at May 28, 2009 2:19 AM
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