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May 22, 2009

The First American Prime Minister In Waiting

Monte Solberg is furious at his party;

Of course it was absolutely fair when the Liberals ran attack ads against Stephen Harper when he became the leader of the Conservative Party.

I mean it was clear at the time that a smart, ambitious resident of Canada like Harper could potentially be the prime minister, and therefore his past views could be relevant.

Apply the same brilliant logic to the case of Ignatieff and you instantly see that it is unfair to hold him to the same standards.

Unfair because who could ever have expected that a Canadian who lived in the U.S. for eons and spoke of the United States as his country could ever hope to be prime minister?

Posted by Kate at May 22, 2009 10:24 AM
Comments

I love Monty, miss him very much in government. He sure has a way with calling a spade a spade. Truth hurts, doesn't Liberals? Iggy has himself so far above the rest of us "plain folk" that he can't see us.

Posted by: MaryM at May 22, 2009 10:35 AM

sure do miss that Monte - only prairie logic should be legal - what buffoonery is exhibited by Kinsella and all the lieberal hack artists (including the endless liberal msm tutt-tutts)
- run these adds every day until the next election, and cut funding to the CBC to zero as well

Posted by: canado at May 22, 2009 10:45 AM

The sad reality is that the conservative movement is over. We have lost. Look down south and over Europe and the whole world is transition to government ownership and intervention. Even Harper and our Conservative party is conservative in name only. They have moved to the left to satisfy the majority of Canadians.

Why aren't we getting angry?

Posted by: Joe at May 22, 2009 10:47 AM

Yes, how come it was fair (in the media's eyes) when the Libs ran attack ads falsely claiming Stephen Harper had a hidden agenda ? Religious zealot ? Soldiers in our streets ?

But it is somehow not ok to run ads that are the absolute truth about Iggy's past.

Not fair according some of the MSM Journos who have the real hidden agenda !!

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 22, 2009 11:09 AM

Look at some of the comments on Solberg's column...Some are even too stupid to get it by thinking he's bashing his old party. Read my comment there pointing that out, I used "Conserve" as my poster name.

Posted by: Right Honorable Terry Tory at May 22, 2009 11:11 AM

Those "soldiers in the streets, in Canada" are scaring the hell out of me! And those aircraft carriers we acquired, are they atomic powered, or diesel?

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at May 22, 2009 11:14 AM

One would think that the Canadian Media would be going ballistic over an American running for Prime Minister of Canada. After all, anti-Americanism has been a pet fetish of most Canadian Journalists for decades. (How much favorable media play did Carolyn Parrish get ?)

Strange, how the switch can be turned off so easily. Must be another reason. Ya think ?

Again, I stress 'NOT ALL' journalists. (For those of you who frequent this site. And, as I understand, a lot of you do :)

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 22, 2009 11:21 AM

...Forgot to mention that Peter Mansbridge's 3 experts on "At Issue" last night all said these attack ads won't work. I was so happy to conclude that they would work. CBC = Bizarro world.

BTW, What happened to Andrew Coyne?, did he get his brain surgically removed? Cannot recognise the man anymore.

Posted by: Right Honorable Terry Tory at May 22, 2009 11:22 AM

I'm not sure the vast majority of the media are even smart enough to be aware that they're full of it. I mean, if you take every delusions and falsity you believe in as a given, how would you know what you really are?

Monte, however, is great. Calling a spade a spade with humour is a good thing.

Posted by: Jason at May 22, 2009 11:23 AM

Solberg is hilarious and brilliant - too bad it's wasted on most of the audience.

I don't think there's anything wrong with attacking Ignatieff. I wish the ads had been better done and spent more effort contrasting the two leaders' commitment to Canada. They were not effective ads (except to CPC partisans).

And by the way Joe, don't be so depressed. A kickback against nanny statism is coming. It's brewing in England, and will come in the US.

Posted by: old Lori at May 22, 2009 11:26 AM

A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream (U.S.) Media: BY Bernard Goldberg: ...

I rather doubt a Canadian writer could get a book like Goldberg's published here in Canada, that is of course if there is even a Canadian MSM journalist to write such a scholarly piece.

Heads up their asses leftist lickspittle Canadian journalists are in love with Iggy and Taliban Jack and hate conservatives.
Period.

Posted by: Joe Molnar at May 22, 2009 11:29 AM

Solberg - another, whose default position is sarc !

Posted by: ron in kelowna at May 22, 2009 11:32 AM

Re: "At Issue" last night all said these attack ads won't work." I did not see this, but I do think the media elites are out-of-touch on this. Sure the ads won't affect people who are strongly in the Liberal camp -- they will be mad and say the issue is irrelevant or that bit of tosh comparing Iggy to a new immigrant. But the ads do pose a question that the media itself should be asking (and hasn't bothered to do so.) What are Ignatieff's motives for running for Prime Minister of Canada? Is this a good career move, or does he really care about Canada and Canadians. All Canadians should be asking this question.

Interestingly Monte was on a Power Play panel the other day and challenged the "ads won't work" mem -- with the simple observation "We don't know that yet." Too bad the media does not recognize that before chiming in with their own biases.

Posted by: LindaL at May 22, 2009 11:38 AM

Liberal Mikey, aka Iggy Dhalla Nana, is an 8 percenter.

Say 8%, Mikey.

Meanwhile, Iggy is stuck at Casablanca: waiting* and waiting* and waiting* and …*
…-

“Friday, May 22, 2009 10:46 AM
Survey Says: 8% ‘Believe Dhalla’s Version’”
urlm.in/cmcs

****”May 6, 2009
Statement by Michael Ignatieff
This morning I accepted Ruby Dhalla’s resignation as Youth & Multiculturalism Critic. Ms. Dhalla will continue to serve as the Liberal Member of Parliament for Brampton-Springdale. I look forward to a determination of the facts regarding her family’s experience with live-in caregivers.”
(lib.caca)

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 11:42 AM

Why aren't we getting angry? ~ Joe at 10:47 AM

I'm angry Joe.

Posted by: glasnost at May 22, 2009 12:03 PM

Monte is great.
Love his writing, he should be put in charge of the CBC to oversee and report on it's televised, synchronized, Canada wide, controlled demolition and street party.

Posted by: richfisher at May 22, 2009 12:09 PM

Here is a “Monte Solberg” headline* from Sun media.
‘Tis a howler; and, subtle.

It’s an attack ad attacking the socialist Iggy LibNDP coalition.

In essence, the "Chalk River" story is just a story; much Candu about nothing.

Read and watch/hear the “opposition meltdown”.
…-

*”Loss of reactor sparks opposition meltdown”
urlm.in/cmcu

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 12:26 PM

I am angry Joe...very angry. The problem is, Joe, that at the federal level conservatism has lost. Who is left that a conservative can support? The doctrine of entitlement is now so ingrained in most of the country that any return to personal responsibility for one's own life has gone the way of the dodo.
The only hope for conservative values, at least here in Alberta, is to elect a truly conservative government that will act like Quebec only with an antithetical approach to the welfarism of that province. For that reason I, and lately a great many others, are switching our allegiance to the Wildrose Alliance Party.

Posted by: Powell lucas at May 22, 2009 12:28 PM

Has anybody noticed that the "elite" media talking heads , especially on CBC and CTV, are taking the truth ads about Ignatieff personally?

They have big sad faces when they tsk tsk those mean Conservatives "attacking" the royal THEM.

Even Coyne says "UNFORTUNATELY the ads MAY hurt Ignatieff". Oh how sad.

Then they CHORTLE together when showing Ignatieff giving a looking down his nose lecture to the mean bullies response.

There, that'll show THEM. Ha.

Did you see any personal sadness when Chretien/Martin savagely attacked Manning, Stockwell and Harper? Recall - it became a piling on and the Liberal attack ads were aired ad nauseum as gleeful "news".

Posted by: Lorraine at May 22, 2009 1:15 PM

Monty's quipping aside, the CPC ads are blunt, plebeian and negative but are proving to be very effective. The message targets a salient liability in the opponent leader that grates on middle Canada.

To Joe Sixpack, Iggy does not seem the type one would expect to see at a junior hockey game as a Dad, coach or fan - or out on a cold rainy day as a community volunteer missing child search - or even one prone to own a sport fishing licence, boat or RV.

Certainly he is awkward relating with middle Canada's culture regardless of where he spent the past 34 years. In this regard he is only marginally less liable than Dion. However this lack of ability to resonate with heartland Canada goes deeper.

Like Dion, the ideological Iggy evolved in the isolated culture of internationalist academic elites. He is a transnational technocrat.
In that regard Iggy, like Dion the French citizen, can only relate on a personal level to the small elite percentage of the Canadian public that also inhabit their academic cultural bubble.

If you, are in the 1% superclass patronage machinate you want the masses held in tow by the micro managing of a cold detached transnational technocrat, you'll hire Iggy. If you are not in the upper 1% ruling class or their sycophant camp followers, you may want to look elsewhere for a leader with more empathy with the John Doe world view.


Posted by: voltaire's bastard at May 22, 2009 1:17 PM

The bottom line is the LIBRANOs discarded an obtuse academic for another obtuse academic.
The fact this one doesn't blink from behind coke bottle glasses and can speak coherant english is irrelvant.
What matters is these self-appointed elites do heed neither counsel nor common sense.

Posted by: sasquatch at May 22, 2009 1:34 PM

Powell lucas,

I won't support any alberta party that doesn't advocate for full separation. I've looked at their site, it's still public health care, etc, sure they have some good ideas, but at the end of the day, equalization payments are still coming out and we're still being ripped off.

I want property rights, my common law right to bear arms unfringed upon, my freedom of religion, my freedom of speech, and I believe all human life has the right to live, and human life starts at conception.

Posted by: Rick from AB at May 22, 2009 1:42 PM

Some media I think believe that THEY are the enlightened intellectual elite whose job it is to enlighten the "muddy grass roots masses" and save us from ourselves.

To them (Mansbridge, Newman, Bonner, Travis, Fife, Coyne, Giggles, various pollsters and opinionistas) Ignatieff is one of THEM and to be protected and promoted at all costs.

Something about Puffins of a feather sticking together.

Posted by: Lorraine at May 22, 2009 1:43 PM

While the audience waits for Iggy’s entrance, the morality play goes on.

Is Liberal Iggy a Willy Clinton?

“I’m going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

Is Iggy another Clinton “isser”? What is the definition of is, Iggy?

Is Ruby fit to remain in your Liberal caucus?

Is Iggy sitting on his Puffin nest?

What is you hiding, Iggy?

Do you have a shaving mirror, Iggy?

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 1:51 PM

These ads are unnecessarily complicated, why don't they just say, "Michael Ignatieff, he's from Toronto."

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at May 22, 2009 2:02 PM

How are these 'attack' ads working?

My sister, a tried and true liberal, with a streak of anti-Americanism a mile wide, agrees with the sentiments of the ads.How dare this 'tourist' deem himself fit for the office of the PM!, she says... How delicious!

The ads are using the liberals fear of Americans against them, forcing their heads to implode at numerically track-able rates!

These ads are working all right, when I hear people discussing them in lines at the store, or in a coffee shop..keep 'em coming..

Posted by: Kursk at May 22, 2009 2:56 PM

Yesterday's Globe ran a story headlined" Ignatieff seeks ECONOMIC EXPERTS input",or something to that effect.What got me was the photo that ran with the story,Ralph Goodale of all people.I left the article in plain view so my brother would notice it while visiting,next time I'll warn him as my CPR skills are lacking.

Posted by: h.ryan at May 22, 2009 3:41 PM

i'm all in favour of smacking the opposition and smacking them hard and first. unfortunately there has been little difference between the tories and libs for many years now. i was a conservative and an active party member but now i am the only conservative alive in canada, all others fall into some form of leftist ideology. ask the right question and you will know what i mean.

Posted by: old white guy at May 22, 2009 4:23 PM

Iggy and the Librano$ are "fundraising" again.

Iggy's Team briefed Wells; now, Wells/Macleans is running a Truth ad for the Conservatives.
...-

First Commenter:

"Joe Volpe

"I gave the maximum of $1100 and so did all my kids, and all my employees, and all my relatives and all my customers……

It’s not so hard!"
...-

"Exclusive: The Liberal plan to respond to the Harper ads"
urlm.in/cmcy

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 4:30 PM

If the US can have a president that's citizenship and loyalty to his country is questionable (birth certificate, schooled in Indonesia, huge gaffe upon citing pledge to the constitution and US during his inauguration and then reciting the pledge all over again in private - reportedly not using a bible) why can't Canada have a leader who has not lived in his native homeland for 34 years?

Remember Iggy is backed by Obama - they both went to Harvard, both have written books - their similarities were pointed out by a leading Canadian magazine b4 Iggy's election, and both share the friends in the same circles. The Canadian speaker is also liberal, black and was endeared by Obama when he visited Canada.

Harper's speech blew Obama's speech out of the water and without O's teleprompter he looked ridiculously unintelligent next to Harper - which to a narcissist like O is an experience deserving revenge upon the one who made him look "inferior" leadership, intelligence and genuineness wise. The US media anchors who interviewed Harper were impressed and congratulated Canada for having someone of his character at the helm. What did Iggy do - place a picture of himself and O in times square.

O is going to support the liberal party in Canada financially and vocally.

Liberals need to know that continually bringing up Mulroney - who I could not stand and believe was one of Canada's worst Prime Ministers, Chretien being a very close second - has absolutely nothing to do with picking a Prime Minister who is a good leader and loyal to his country. Harper is a much better pick than Iggy. Canada is doing relatively well despite what is happening in the states. If Iggy is elected, he will be nothing but a puppet for Obama and will sell Canada out in a nano second.

Liberals you are being fools - sheeple - blind lemmings as one poster - revnant dream put it. Wake up b4 it is too late and you sell Canada out and utterly destroy our country.

O is completely destroying the US and taking any freedom they had away as well as giving a clear message to terrorists that there will be no consequences for their actions. Iggy will do the same to Canada, or worse.

Posted by: No-One at May 22, 2009 4:39 PM

Another poll of interest:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/05/22/exclusive-the-liberal-plan-to-respond-to-the-harper-ads/

Posted by: Alienated at May 22, 2009 7:48 PM

A Truth Ad by/from Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.
…-

“People will write what they write. And, frankly, they can go to hell. I really, I’m pissed. I’m pissed about it.”

“Michael Ignatieff & People Like You”
urlm.in/cmdj

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 8:45 PM

The ads are going to work at defining Iggy as long as the liberals do not create a TV spot of their own.
Out of the At Issue panel one insight was provided by Hebert that seems to have gone over a lot of heads.
She said the liberal response will only be effective if someone is kind enough to show it on the news, but if it isn't running during commercial breaks during the hockey games no one is going to see it.
You have to pay attention to Hebert and listen not for what she says, but for what she doesn't say.
So if the liberals don't start responding at the same level, the "air war" will be one sided, with the side that doesn't show up forfitting the war.

Keep running the ad and soon the un-named liberal source (tm) will be quoted that their are rumblings in the liberal caucus on Squidward's lack of response to the ads.

BTW
I take a glance at the Youtube video Iggy did (2 secs on the news) and it reminded me of the last one Dion did....how well did that one work?

Posted by: gimbol at May 22, 2009 9:13 PM

Negative ads work. Liberals can't fight back because they're broke. Must be driving them nuts.

Posted by: Norman at May 22, 2009 9:22 PM

Hi-Ho Silver Away.
Ugh, Kemo Sabay.
Mackenzie King's shaving mug* make good disspot.
...-

"Feds' historic silver sold at bargain prices
By Elizabeth Thompson, National Bureau"
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2009/05/22/9541931-sun.html

*"Mackenzie King, Prime Minister during WWII had a dog named Pat. All his dogs were named Pat. King was a believer in the paranormal and often took his counsel from what he believed to be messages from what might be called a different dimension or "the other side" or the spirit world.

I haven't found this in a Google search but I recall that he was affected in no small way by the appearance of his dead dog Pat in his shaving mug, in the form of the shaving soap he had brushed up."
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-222259-p-5.html

Posted by: maz2 at May 22, 2009 9:49 PM

Well I am not sure if the Lib's are totally broke. I think when they start talking like they might have money, the taxpayers should demand the $14 Mil back that the party still owes. Until they pay of their debit, I have nothing good to say about the Liberal party.

Posted by: MaryM at May 22, 2009 9:51 PM

Ron in Kelowna:

No one (by which I mean the MSM) seemed to dwell on the fact that Lizzie "Moonbat" May also spent most of her life in the USA; why would they treat Iggy any differently?

But I still the Tory ads are clumsy. I would much prefer ads that showed "normal" Canadians - those who aren't in privileged positions in government, media, or industry - asking "Why do the Liberals and the Greens have to bring in leaders who have not lived most of their lives in Canada? Are Americans so much better than us that we should naturally accept their views? The only parties that seem to be devoted to Canadians running a united Canada are the NDP and the Conservatives. And between Jack Layton and Stephen Harper, I know who I'd vote for."

The ultimate goal, of course, is to fracture the left of centre vote as much as possible. I don't think the current attack ads will do much in furthering that end.

Posted by: KevinB at May 22, 2009 10:56 PM

Peter O'Donnell May 22, 2009 2:02 PM Don't you actually mean "Michael Ignatieff, he was from Toronto"

Posted by: redneck at May 22, 2009 11:06 PM

I don't like the Ignatieff ads, I think they reflect badly on the Conservatives. Plus Harper has been PM for three years despite the Liberal ads, so it could well work in reverse.

I'm just waiting for the Conservatives to start talking about principles, capitalism, and the things the country needs to hear. By this time I doubt that will happen. For example, Harper took the battle against restrictions on third-party election spending to the Supreme Court, but he hasn't uttered a peep about changing these unjust laws since he became PM. Given a minority government, maybe it's not possible to get the necessary bill passed, but he should at least mention it on occasion.

Re: These ads are unnecessarily complicated, why don't they just say, "Michael Ignatieff, he's from Toronto."

For one thing, Stephen Harper is from Toronto!

Posted by: nv53 at May 23, 2009 12:49 AM

I think someone should do a negative attack ad on the different approaches to cats -- you know, Ignatieff with his pure bred flown in from across the country and the Harpers just adopting strays. Doesn't mean that much in the end, but the symbolism is interesting.

Posted by: LindaL at May 23, 2009 1:01 AM

Re: "when I hear people discussing them in lines at the store" -- THIS is the real indicator of whether or not the ads are working -- indeed people are talking about the ads, blogging, writing letters to newspapers. Previously, the issue of Iggy's interest in Canada was totally ignored.

Posted by: LindaL at May 23, 2009 1:07 AM

nv53 "I'm just waiting for the Conservatives to start talking about principles, capitalism, and the things the country needs to hear." -- Actually, Conservatives do talk about these things but as a general rule, the media do not cover them -- they are much more interested in the latest scam. That's too bad, but not the Conservatives fault.

Posted by: LindaL at May 23, 2009 1:17 AM

On another -- related note -- some pundits and letter writers are all about wanting to "raise the tone" of political dialogue and don't the attack ad just demean everyone? Well, my response in no.

It is important to realize that politics is not just about political ideas and theories -- it is also about personalities and PR. (Obama's election is a testimonial to this.) I get annoyed when people complain about the Conservative ads being an attack on personalities -- what the heck is "mean Stephen Harper" supposed to represent. It is a very personal attack (an unfair one in my view) but part of politics is personalities. Too late for Liberal/left/media to claim the moral high ground on this one.

Posted by: LindaL at May 23, 2009 1:19 AM

The Liberals' brazenness never ceases to disgust me. Raising the tone of the debate is always their whinge when they've been dinged. 'Never mind that their tactics are always in the gutter and that they have the MSM as their personal, no-cost news service which is constantly churning out negative spin on PMSH and his CPC.

The Librano$ are the playground bullies whose feelings become instantly hurt if anyone dares to confront them. 'Scratch a bully and you always find a coward.

Posted by: batb at May 23, 2009 6:59 AM

No one mentions that the Liberal supporters angry enough to now donate to their party are just that Liberal supporters....it wasn't like the Cons had their vote anyway. Attack ads do work....they might get tiring but they work and if the MSM can't divulge Iggy for what he is then it's up to the Conservatives to do it. Seems to me the Libs have it made....the media does the dirty work for them!

Posted by: westerngirl at May 23, 2009 11:58 AM

Monte is not a real conservative.

Posted by: aa at May 23, 2009 1:26 PM

I personally don't care were Iggy came from, has worked at, or who he played with. What I do care about is that his track record should be clearly placed before the people of this country. Because we have such a bunch of shysters running our media it is more than important that someone, anyone, do the work for them.
Just one example is his PR move to create an economic plan and his use of Trudeau's National Energy plan creator to do his homework.
I expect that the image makers that Mr Ignatieff employs will do everything in their power to ensure that his image reflects what they want it to reflect rather than reality.
To whom it may concern! Please continue the "TRUTH ADS"

Posted by: melwilde at May 23, 2009 11:19 PM

I personally don't care were Iggy came from, has worked at, or who he played with. What I do care about is that his track record should be clearly placed before the people of this country. Because we have such a bunch of shysters running our media it is more than important that someone, anyone, do the work for them.
Just one example is his PR move to create an economic plan and his use of Trudeau's National Energy plan creator to do his homework.
I expect that the image makers that Mr Ignatieff employs will do everything in their power to ensure that his image reflects what they want it to reflect rather than reality.
To whom it may concern! Please continue the "TRUTH ADS"

Posted by: melwilde at May 23, 2009 11:23 PM
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