Is it just me, or does ABC appear to be the only "traditional" network left with a news operation (even if only through its blogging component) that's trying to do something more than merely give a virtual blow-job to The Big Owe and the Democratic Party?

Garth

Oh, and "good money"?  I'd pay real money to see those two handcuffed together.

Garth

.....- even Karl Rove would pay good money to see Pelosi handcuffed to Dick Cheney.

Awesome .

As much as I miss W, I miss Cheney more. He was in fine form with Hannity.

Well worth reading the transcript if anyone missed it.

I'm all for waterboarding all of Congress for there own education.

So what, the Democratic spin machine will never let anything stick to Pelosi, they will pull a Rangell (regarding his illegal properties and tax evasion) and defer it to an ethics commitee investigation that will sit on it indefinitely.

This is a going nowhere story, even if the truth is hilarious.

Notice the tense of the verb: HAD been employed. Not 'might be employed' but HAD, as in already in the past this EIT HAD been used.

Pelosi was informed that this technique HAD been used.
Now, how's she going to slither out of this and pretend moral outrage and shocked innocence?

And since Obama's strategy of manipulation requires that he accuse the past regime of nefarious actions - how's he doing to deal with this? He needs to defame the Bush era. How can he deal with the fact that his key aide, Pelosi, is directly linked to that era?

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the cronies in the CIA, NSC, and other military intelligence agencies were some of the most corrupt bunch of thugs that were ever in office or an administration. They came close to perpetrating war crimes all under the so called banner of national security. Weapons of mass destruction? Remember that lie to get into Iraq. Thank god Obama has exposed some of the dirty little secrets of the CIA etc. and I do believe will do more. Thank god gitmo will be closed. And if our so called PM, Harpo had any guts he'd demand Omar Khadr be repatriated to Canada. It is an international embarrassment that it hasn't been done already. Failing to do so, our PM will soon be in contempt of court.

Maybe this is a good flip flop. There sure is alot of potential here.

If it were a Republican speaker ...

"And since Obama's strategy of manipulation requires that he accuse the past regime of nefarious actions - how's he doing to deal with this? He needs to defame the Bush era. How can he deal with the fact that his key aide, Pelosi, is directly linked to that era?
Posted by: ET at May 7, 2009 8:44 PM"

Oh,he(or I should say his handlers)will come up with something like it was just a ploy to catch the GOP and their evil master in a torture lie.Our Nancy(mary of magdelene)Pelosi was just doing the DemocRats a huge favour,as we knew we would be elected in 2008.
You know how you just gotta sacrifice for the better good of the country!! Ad nauseum,etc,etc.

Rev said: "I'm all for waterboarding all of Congress for there own education."

But, go easy on Democratic Senators Ted the Kennedy and Byrd.

Ted is out of the picture and Byrd is ?
OTOH .....
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Posted by: T at May 7, 2009 8:54 PM

Kids are cute when they try to act like grownups.

"Posted by: T at May 7, 2009 8:54 PM

Kids are cute when they try to act like grownups.
Posted by: SDH at May 7, 2009 9:16 PM

That's why we ignore them,and try to not even acknowledge they where here,SDH (hint,hint)

this would be a great opportunity for Obambam to make a move to curtail Pelosi's "power", thusly enhancing his own control, or even to remove her as house leader and replace her with his own puppet

this could get interesting

or maybe mister flip-flop will just flip-flop

You right wing conservatives just can take a little truth and when a socialist fights back scream: "censorship him". It already happens hear at SDA, trust me.

hear – a function of the ear

here - a specific location

T - maroon

maroon - a colour
moron - T

gym - I don't see Obama curtailing Pelosi's power; he needs her. Remember, he has no ability to develop policies and programs on his own. And she's too powerful for him to reject her.

And justthinkin - I don't think that an explanation of 'we were trying to catch the GOP doing something bad' will work;

The only reason Obama is bringing up this issue of EIT is manipulation of the electorate. He's not interested in the safety of the US for his narcissism leads him to think that he can control everyone by his 'charm' alone.

He's also not interested in justice; he feels nothing about the events of 9/11. He feels no commitment to, no loyalty to the USA. For him, reality only exists within his 'text'; his world that he creates, authors and lives in. There is no other reality.

His focus is only on himself, and he wants to prevent any movement of the electorate away from him and to the Republican or Independent perspectives.

I suspect he'll let this issue wither and try to come up with other images that he can use to attack the previous era. Remember, he's not doing it out of any sense of morality, ethics, justice. He has no principles in these areas. He's doing it for purely political reasons, to manipulate and control the electorate.

ET:

I placed this link from WND in yesterday's tips thread but am repeating it here for your benefit. I had jested that perhaps you had been consulted by the journalist in the writing of the article. :)

Is the president of the United States indeed a narcissist, a condition psychology and psychiatry recognize as a serious personality disorder?

....

"I think it’s critically important, now more than ever, to understand our president’s core beliefs and to realize that if we embrace them fully, we’ll be well on our way to becoming the U.S.S.A.," says Brian Russell, Ph.D., a licensed psychologist, attorney and familiar national television pundit. And according to Lyle H. Rossiter Jr., M.D., a board certified psychiatrist who has diagnosed and treated mental disorders for more than 40 years, it's not just Obama: America's leadership ranks are full of people with serious psychological problems, declaring that "the modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities."

ET:

I placed this link from WND in yesterday's tips thread but am repeating it here for your benefit. I had jested that perhaps you had been consulted by the journalist in the writing of the article. :)
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97201

Is the president of the United States indeed a narcissist, a condition psychology and psychiatry recognize as a serious personality disorder?

....

"I think it’s critically important, now more than ever, to understand our president’s core beliefs and to realize that if we embrace them fully, we’ll be well on our way to becoming the U.S.S.A.," says Brian Russell, Ph.D., a licensed psychologist, attorney and familiar national television pundit. And according to Lyle H. Rossiter Jr., M.D., a board certified psychiatrist who has diagnosed and treated mental disorders for more than 40 years, it's not just Obama: America's leadership ranks are full of people with serious psychological problems, declaring that "the modern liberal mind, its distorted perceptions and its destructive agenda are the product of disturbed personalities."

Hell no! No investigation!

If there's no investigation there's no proof, and that keeps Bush safe. Do you really want to trade Pelosi for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and possibly others? And the takedown on the Republicans would be ten-times worse. Knowing about the EIT and lying about it, vs ordering it and lying about. Gee, I wonder who will get punished more? (Also factor in what kind of trial people like us will get in the Obama-Jesus radical leftist/muslim order)

The terrorists will truly have won if we put our last honest and decent president in jail because good men decided to save us from nuclear terrorist anhilation.

Brent W.

Why do you think the lefties want civilian gun ownership gone?

Many of their arguments are projection. It's themselves they are afraid of but are too sick and so far into denial that they can't see it.

It'll be very interesting when they run into the brick wall of the right.

Watching Glenn Beck today? It seems that Montana has brought about gun legislation that essentially is telling the Feds to pound it. They also seem to be trying to force the matter ASAP into the Supreme Court.

The commentator, Judge Napolitano, and Beck are of the opinion that if it was favourably ruled (the possibility seems pretty good right now) it would set the left back as far as Woodrow Wilson.

What did Wilson bring in? Income Tax.

Oklahoma also forced a 10th Amendment Resolution this week. Other States have similar resolutions on their respective tables.

You get the feeling that the safety valves in the US Constitution are about to blow and the left's march will again hit a brick wall?

They'll lose what's left of their minds and it won't be pretty as they spiral into historical irrelevance.

She could go for transitory senility, after all she is 69 years old.

brent weston - I'm hardly the only one to comment that Obama shows all the clinical characteristics of a pathological narcissist.

Krauthammer, who was a chief resident in psychiatry is only one of the many experts in this area (see also Vaknin) who has made that conclusion.

In my view, it isn't a mild case but a serious case that has moved into a pathology. That is, he lives, totally, completely, in a fictional world of his own authorship. One in which he controls and must control, all interactions with people. if he feels he can control you, then you ae allowed into this world. The focus of people in this 'bubble' has to be on him and has to be adoration. He cannot handle criticism and anyone who criticizes him, simply doesn't exist anymore.

Now, when he cannot ignore the people who criticize, when they continue to try to interact with him, this threatens the safety of the fictional world in which he lives - and he would then become angry, frightened, and quite vicious.

He'll destroy or try to destroy anyone who threatens this bubble in which he lives.

If Pelosi threatens this textual bubble in which he lives, he'll throw her to the wolves, but I suspect she's too powerful and she'll fight him. So, how does he manage to smear the Bush era and yet, keep his people tied to him? Very difficult. I suspect he'll leave it to others and abstract himself from the situation.

As interesting as this is in the news, my guess is that it will not withstand a constitutional challenge.

From the US Constitution
Article 1, Section 9, third clause:

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

From Wikipedia:

An ex post facto law (from the Latin for "after the fact") or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences of acts committed or the legal status of facts and relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law.

Brent Bambam has already done that with AIG and Chrysler. He signed the bill for bonuses and then went after them. With Chrysler he overturned the gaurantee the bondholders had received before they bought the issue. The tour buses to the homes of executives and voting irregularities demonstrate he has been operating outside legal boundaries all along. No one has called him on it yet but somewhere along the line there will be someone with enough money he can't ruin. The Tea Parties are having that effect. There are just too many people to go after. I think that is the way to go. He tries to pass it off but his face says something else.

Thanks, ET, for your thoughts.

Speedy/Curious: It does appear as though some of these things will be tested in the Supreme Court over the next few years. I remember FDR had at least a couple items of the New Deal overturned; however, FDR kept getting re-elected and could nominate different judges as he outlived his opponents on the Court. I also remember hearing about a radio iterview in Chicago several years back in which Obama revealed his problem with the US Constitution: it stated what the government could not do to the citizens but did not stipulate what the government must/should do for the citizens. He really does not understand the idea underlying the US Constitution is to limit the powers of government and not enable as he wants.

Brent I agree the POTUS can tie things up in the courts for years. With the campaign violations ie people over the maximum, foreign donations I have heard nary a whisper of an investigation let alone prosecution. They know there were monies coming from Africa, Gaza and Saudia but it is like it didn't happen. When he received 53% of the vote it just vanished.

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Here's that law in Montana I mentioned.

Speedy:

I agree that things are going to be somewhat of a mess here for the next few years. The US is stuck with this guy until Jan 2013. I estimate the Senate will remain Democrat after 2010 even in the event of a severe voter turnabout in 2010. It is too early to speculate on what will happen to the House in 2010.

However, there are some bright spots for those of us who are patient - very patient. It seems to me that Americans are waking up to the fact that they have made a mistake. It is not just the polls (satisfied/dissatisfied ratio), but also from conversations with people here. As strange as it seems to those of us who did our due diligence with Obama before the election, a lot of people simply trusted the MSM to do their work for them and they have found out too late that they made a mistake.

Some people have said that Obama is a polarizer - you either hate him or love. That statement may or may not be true; however, it was not true for the election season. There was a third category during the election season made up of people who could not make up their minds between Dems and GOP and allowed the MSM help them make their choice. It is this third group that is very angry right now. Some of them are even more bothered than those of us who supported McCain. Why? It is simply the emotion of betrayal. They are comming to the realization that the MSM has lied to them.

If this recession lingers and/or deepens, Obama and the Dems will receive the emotional blame for it. It is just the way things are in politics. I predict that we are going to see more backlash against the MSM for this betrayal of the public trust. Kate's asteroid series will have plenty of fodder over the next few years. Meanwhile, this third group will find it easier to come over to the right side if we tone down our "I told you so's"

I'm not at all surprised that "Blinky Pelosi" has been caught in a lie. Her defense? "Well it all depends on what your definition of "knew" is."

She is just like her Democrat President - a liar. Lets call a spade - a spade (and there is nothing racist in that comment - you leftards).

T - Maybe you should graduate from grade 8 before you post here again. Your grammar (or for you "grandma") is terrible.

T ?

your comments are a triumph of belatedly truedopeian social engineering....thank you for marking our success in making the lesser orders feel comfortable at say...a wine bar...or attending an inquiry into the 19th century's literary contribution to 20th century anomie and existential dislocation..or say.... a truly Liberal blog such as this....

the taxes i pay for your elevation have been profoundly well compensated .

maroon - a colour
moron - T
Posted by: Brent Weston at May 7, 2009 9:37 PM

T = Ultra Maroon Plus

Barry Obama will "close" Gitmo in the usual democrat liberal leftard tradition - it will be renamed and the monsters will be left in their cages because no country will take them and the public will punish them at the mid terms if let go in the US.

Later they will claim the "one" has kept his promise as Gitmo is no more.

What will they rename it?

Club: Cuba's Largely Unknown Bastards
CUBA: Cuba's Unwanted Bastard Assassins

Any other ideas?

Kids are cute when they try to act like grownups.
Posted by: SDH at May 7, 2009 9:16 PM

That's one of the downsides of the net. The goal of the left is to take advantage of all the onrush of feel-good younguns who don't know any better. Ya gotta own or at least dominate all communication channels. [cough]

The naturally rebellious youth have found a convenient, media-enabled master theory-for-everything. Saving the Planet!

You get the feeling that the safety valves in the US Constitution are about to blow

Tee-hee! There is a phenomenon known as "chattering" when it comes to safety valves. It happens when design criteria is misunderstood or when the-people-who-should-know-better haven't taken it into consideration.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=186657&page=1

Backpressure on safety valves is always an issue.

PiperPaul The advantage of the net is if the young-uns come to a site like this they get a different view than the one the MSM gives. Sometimes they pmo but if they see another side that is good. I'm not saying they get free rein but I think it is a good thing they show up and put their opinion out there. Before I started using spell check I was unaware I had a vowel disability. I didn't use them much in notes.

Glad to hear at least half of America still has a moral compass intact.

Maroon = Moron. It's a Bugs Bunny reference. Sorry you didn't get it.

I might have missed it, but did any of the trolls address the fact that Pelosi knew? Maybe somebody could find that old picture of Hillary holding up the New York Post with the "Bush Knew" headline. I can't find it.

Meanwhile, maybe somebody could photoshop up a new version of this:

http://uggabugga.blogspot.com/2003/09/on-fox-news-sunday-we-heard-familiar.html

[quote]It is an international embarrassment that it hasn't been done already. Failing to do so, our PM will soon be in contempt of court.
[/quote] T

I have noticed that the NDP & Liberals have this surreal opinion that an elected democracy is subservient to the Courts. It would be an excellent issue for Harper to use to force an election, and easy to communicate the flaw

Courts may make a ruling on existing law, but Parliament (We the People) have the final and only voice in what is the law. YES! We can change the Law & its the role of all MP's to explore those options without interference for or by the Courts.

ET: When it comes to Nancy Pelosi; the Joe Six pack verbage is much simpler. She is a STANK! The STANK order crosses into both parties, but these are the socialist leaders

1. Pelosi (Illegal aliens are American patriots,. like in drug runners

2. Boxer (AGW) this former broker understand the feeding frenzy of a Wall Street sleaze

3. Clinton (she was the poster child that helped form Bill's low opinion of females)

There is no lie or task they will not perform to obtain power & recognition.

Despite his concern for the environment, President Obama has a bus idling in the driveway for Pelosi. He would gladly sacrifice her for the cause of advancing his Progressive agenda for America. In a revolution, there are casualties on both sides. It would be well worth the cost of a Pelosi to get the Bush/Cheney legacy firmly established into the Progressives' narrative. Plus the distraction of a witch hunt is not a "crisis" they would waste. Both the soft left and the right would square off against each other and be less aware of his Progressive march. There is no shortage of useful idiots to become her successor. She's a loose cannon, and a liability. It would also serve a useful lesson to those who serve/work for him - don't mess with the boss, and solidify his grip on power. I wouldn't want to be a Democrat right now - hard to sleep at night.

T- Concerning your post
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the cronies in the CIA, NSC, and other military intelligence agencies were some of the most corrupt bunch of thugs that were ever in office or an administration. They came close to perpetrating war crimes all under the so called banner of national security. Weapons of mass destruction? Remember that lie to get into Iraq.

Please substantiate even one of these claims.

Just because a nuclear bomb wasn't shown on CNN, it doesn't mean nothing was found. The question is where are they now?
You see T, a REAL President doesn't conduct war on TV. It's quite possible the military is keeping mum in order to be more tactically prepared when the WMD recipient country steps out of line.
I still haven't heard one leftoid explain the 550 TONS of yellowcake sent from Iraq to Canada for refining after the Iraq war.
550 tons of nuclear material from a country that never had an operating nuclear power plant.
I don't know about you, but I prefer this type of information be handled in a military, tactical way, than by the UN's Hans Blix.

Daly pointed out that the report backs up Pelosi’s contention that she was briefed only once on “enhanced interrogation techniques.” Her name does not appear elsewhere in the report.

"As this document shows, the speaker was briefed only once, in September 2002," Daly said.

Herein lies “Blinky’s” best defense. As a leftie Kindergarten alumnus she has every right to a short attention span, and hence she was entitled to “reinforcement-briefings”.

More pavilions at folkfest file...
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A 23-year-old Afghan-Canadian shot his younger sister and her fiance to death in a so-called honour killing rooted in anger over their engagement, a jury heard during the first day of Hasibullah Sadiqi's murder trial.

During his opening statements, assistant Crown attorney Mark Moors told the court Mr. Sadiqi shot his 20-year-old sister, Khatera, and her fiance, Feroz Mangal, with a .44 Magnum revolver while they sat in a parked car at an Ottawa shopping plaza just before 1 a. m. on Sept. 19, 2006

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1575673

Posted by: T at May 7, 2009 9:31 PM

And yet, strangely, Kate has not snipped your comments.

Wierd huh?

Is the most productive way to Mau-Mau a narcissist, who is consumed by having control, to overload them with decisions to be made and situations which need to be controlled or might require his presence/attention?

if we could drown all those bastards and start over would be be able to improve anything with the current brilliance of the voter today?

ottrob, was this on the back page of the national post. i don't recall ever seeing any mention of this in my local media or the national media. senile?

It simply is not torture. Unpleasant, yes, but torture no. If everything that is unpleasant is to be redefined as torture....

Hey, I just noticed something -

T said: They came close to perpetrating war crimes all under the so called banner of national security.

Notice, if you look closely, that there's an admission there that war crimes were not in fact committed.

Thus we can paraphrase, accurately, to "T says that Bush and Company did not commit war crimes."

Thanks, T!

"Meanwhile, this third group will find it easier to come over to the right side if we tone down our "I told you so's"

You see Brent, that's the trouble with trying to appease everybody, you piss-off the other side. Just give them another 3 years with Barry and Red Rover Red Rover, won't you please come over.
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