Peace be upon B Hussein Obama eh.

O. M. G.

Obama's doing "a Chretien" (irony of irony, Chretien's name means Christian in English).

Remember when Chretien forbade Christian prayers at the Peggy's Cove memorial service for the passengers of the Air France plane that crashed there, even though he put no restrictions on the prayers of the Jewish rabbi and Native spiritual rep.? Remember when he allowed no prayer at the memorial service on Parliament Hill after 9/11, while the Brits and the Americans had prayers offered by Christian clergy, Jewish rabbis, and Muslim imams?

Little by little in the West, Christianity is being banished by our G*dless,lib-left overlords, all in the service of (toxic) "multiculturalism," "diversity," and "tolerance."

'Only problem in our "multicultural mosaic" is, there seems to be no room for the host British, Judeo-Christian culture which, as I've said over and over again, has provided the foundational values of our Western democracies which have, in turn, provided generous hospitality to those multi-cultures who have come to our countries and who now seem to be in the ascendancy -- not because of their numbers but because of their supposed "sensitivities."

I'm reminded of the old saying "biting the hand that feeds you." A caution: The anti-Christian forces now coming to the fort in the West will in no way be providing the rest of us with shelter, hospitality, tolerance, or openness. Neither will there be any equality before the law or the defence of individual freedoms.

I suspect that if we in the West mount no defence of our Judeo-Christian values -- which are at the heart of our Western democracies -- and the commensurate benefits that we and the countless immigrants to our shores have enjoyed up to now, we will continue to see the descent of our civil societies into darkness, chaos, and squalor -- not unlike what exists in many of the countries from which recent immigrants have come.

The West is committing suicide.

Okay, I'm not even a Christian, but I'm officially paranoid now. I wanna see that birth certificate.

I guess I'm confused.

On one hand - as batb points out - it's clear that to many, "Christian" = bad.

So why is it people, especially liberals, freak out when we doubt Obama's claims of being a Christian?

Aren't we always told, additionally, that Islam is a religion of peace, equality, and benevolence that puts Christianity to shame?

So why are they all hyped up that a man who claims to be Christian, but holds the fundamental beliefs of Christianity in contempt, has his faith questioned and assumed to be one that they argue is equal or preferable to Christianity?

It's clear that - while Newsweek celebrates the decline and fall of Christianity in America - they still acknowledge that many identify as Christian and/or hold Christian beliefs deeply and sincerely. So they're attempting to walk a fine line between not embracing/endorsing Christianity and not spitting in the face of those Christians stupid enough to think liberal Democrats really care about them (lest they jar them out of that dream state).

Now, I don't think Obama's particularly anything. Muslims, by and large, aren't exactly fans of Planned Parenthood, gay rights issues, or moderate Muslims. Christianity is also - when followed orthodoxically - pretty darned conservative.

He's a progressive secular. Big whoop. Not that that makes him more appealing to me, mind you.

The Communists and Nazis took away religious symbols too.

What would his buddy Rev. Wright do ?

Black Mamba: you would be banned from LGF for that comment.

A Christian symbol you say? That's actually a symbol for Right Wing Extremists!

/sarc

...Judeo-Christian culture...our Judeo-Christian values...

Pot calling kettle black. No such thing as a hyphenated Christian. You're Christian or you aren't.

The only god Obama worships is the guy he sees in the mirror every morning.

hoss, the term Judeo-Christian refers to historical-religious trends and religious philosophies over centuries, NOT an individuals religion.

Have you ever seen a synagogue/church or someone declaring they are Judeo-Christian?

Neither have I. Get a grip.

ol hoss

Jesus was a Jew. The old test was Jewish.

If you don't know where the term judeo-christian comes from...

Black Mamba,
Recall when Obama's grandmother died just prior to the election? Obama made a trip to Hawaii, and stayed less than 48 hours - just enough time to go to the registry office and have his birth certificate sealed.
We don't know any official details about Barack Hussein Obama, including birth records, health records, academic records.

methinks that if the big "O" gets too close to any christian symbolism he'll burst into flames...

or, heaven forbid, some photo would be released that shows "O" and a religious symbol in the same shot and lefty heads around the world would explode!!!

Either way, somebody has got to get a crucifix near that man....

Lori - I don't go in for conspiracy theories and unhinged partisan slander (I mean, look on Andrew Sullivan and despair), but it's true, isn't it: Somehow the more you know about Obama, the less you know.

I would have 'dis-invited' him. Why should people hide what they are from their leader? If everyone stands up he stays in the White House. As far as it being his message that's fine but you have yours. They could reply he can speak if he doesn't use a teleprompter and puts earmuffs on. Whimsy.

Batb

That's pretty much what I tried to say last year. My only issue is there must be a way to be inclusive. For example, I'm not a Christian but I still see eye to eye with you about our roots. Unfortunately for some atheists, religion has been given such a bad name that if it's the rallying call, it will alienate many small 'c' conservatives. In the long run education is key, I think that many atheists who loathe Christianity are simply misinformed, but that's the long run. In the short term it's my opinion that conservatives shouldn't solely focus on religion. After all, millions of Christians and Joo's have been voting for the socialists and the religion haters despite the noses on their faces.

Frenchie77 either that or the photo would be mysteriously blank where the 'O' was supposed to be a la vampires that don't show up in the mirror.

Indiana
True - they don't call the United Church of Canada 'the NDP at prayer for nothing'

Dear Georgetown,
With regards to your kowtowing to some whitehouse weenie dictating what you can or cannot display on your own property I have just two words:" Stop it!"

Wasn't it Georgetown where they had to remove a cross from the chapel in case some poor athiest came in for refuge and became offended at the site of the Crucifix.

Appologies to Bob Newhart for stealing his line.

Jesus was a Jew. The old test was Jewish.

Neither statement is true. Jesus was of the tribes of both Levi and Judah. The priest line and the king line.

Judah was only one tribe of 13.

Ummmm....not to be picky batb...but that was Swissair 111 that went down off Peggy's Cove. But yeah.Your main point of no CHRISTIAN prayers rings true.Funny.I thought most of Europe was Christian.Damn good thing I wasn't there for the memorial,or there would have been a few "priests,ministers,etc" floating in the cove also! Hypocrites.And the churches wonder why they are losing members.

Frenchie77 and Agent Smith: If he's undead, that might also explain the birth certificate thing.

yikes ol hoss - i'm pretty sure there are 12 tribes and they're all Jewish.

You're all missing the truth because of intentional misdirection, which is to make you believe he is only either Christian or Muslim:

He's really a Joooooooooooooo

(breathe)

ooooooooooooooooooo!

No Decline in Belief That Obama is a Muslim
Nearly One-in-Five White Evangelicals Think So

Which just proves that 20 percent of White Evangelicals are ignorant retards. Thanks for pointing out that valuable statistic Kate.

Actually Smith,Both you and Ol Hoss are right on that number (12/13)
as both of Joseph's sons were considered as
separate tribes on many occasions

I think Hoss is being pedantic about the "Jewish" thing though

Christ said that his followers would be persecuted and guess what they are. world wide Christians are being killed and imprisoned. if Christianity is destroyed then the world will become totally out of control. obama is controlled by some group. a nothing such as he is could possibly gain the office of president without some kind of help from people that have an agenda that was not to be seen during the election.

Blue Mosque or St Pauls Cathedral for Obama?

As a Christian I would delicately like to state that I don't know if Obama is a Muslim but I harbor doubts his claim to be Christian. As I have said before, "If going to Church makes you a Christian, going to a garage makes you a car."

Proof of Christianity is found in character and acts based on an underlying belief system (world view) consistent with the teaching of Christ and the Bible. I have yet to see any such acts or form of character that would indicate that Christianity plays any part in the world view of Obama.

yikes ol hoss - i'm pretty sure there are 12 tribes and they're all Jewish.

Haha, all headed by Judah? Ah, Biblical illiterates...LOL

ol hoss revising history.

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm
In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only the tribes in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.

I'll see your 'stat' with the 75% of leftists who believe the moon landings never happened, then raise you with the 79% of leftist moonbats who believe the twin towers were brought down by Bush, Zorpheus..thanks for reminding us that there are mental defectives in your camp who are in dire need of being institutionalized.

Excuse me, ol hoss: "No such thing as a hyphenated Christian. You're Christian or you aren't."

There would be no Christianity if it weren't for "the root of Jesse," the Judaic root of the Christian faith. Remember: Mary (Miriam) was a Jew, Joseph was a Jew, and Jesus was a Jew, as were most of His followers.

After Jesus Christ's crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension, His followers became known as Christians; there would be no Christian faith without Judaism. Pope John Paul II acknowledged this when he called the Jewish people Christians' "elder brothers and sisters in the faith."

Black Mamba
Somehow the more you know about Obama, the less you know.

A perfect observation. So far the best descipter yet on the Obama. I'm still asking myself who this Character is. The more I seek the less I find. Nicely said.
JMO

An interesting read "several of his oft-recited stories may not have happened in the way he has recounted them. Some seem to make Obama look better in the retelling, others appear to exaggerate his outward struggles over issues of race, or simply skim over some of the most painful, private moments of his life."

http://xml.orlandosentinel.com/travel/destinations/chi-0703250359mar25-archive,0,4180623.story

Justthinkin: No problem you're being "picky." I KNEW I should have Googled the crash! It was Swiss Air, not Air France.

My bad. :-0

In the case of the prayers at the Swiss Air memorial, I'm of the opinion that the Christian ministers should have refused to comply with Chretien's impertinent request that they not pray in the name of Jesus. Christian ministers DO pray, and have always prayed, in the name of Jesus. What would/could Chretien have done if they had prayed in Jesus' name? It was their constitutional right to pray in the name of Jesus and IMO they made an error of judgment in acquiescing to Chretien, thus opening the door to other such requests. Many of the deceased and their families would have been Christian, so to water down Christian prayers for them was insensitive and unnecessary, IMO.

Georgetown University also made an error in judgment in acquiescing to the White House's request that they cover up the IHS monogram in the backdrop against which Obama was speechifying. Georgetown is a Catholic University, for crying out loud. If they didn't like Christian symbolism, the White House should have gone somewhere else.

I'm trying to imagine Muslims or Blacks or Native Canadians being asked to cover up one of their symbols because it might be "offensive" to some other group and I can't see it happening.

Why is it only Christians who are asked to acquiesce to others' possible sensitivities? What about Christians' feelings? I'm pretty darned offended that Obama asked Christians to hide symbols of their faith ON THEIR HOME TURF ON WHICH HE WAS A GUEST.

There would be no Christianity if it weren't for "the root of Jesse," the Judaic root of the Christian faith. Remember: Mary (Miriam) was a Jew, Joseph was a Jew...

Huh? Elizabeth (John's mother)was a full blood Levite. And Mary was Elizabeth's cousin. Meaning
Mary was half Levite. Joseph wasn't Christ's father. Obviously.

ol hoss, with all due respect, give it a rest. Did you read fact check's post? Technically, the priestly tribe is the Levites, but even the New Testament refers to "the Jews" when referring to Jesus' people.

You can continue to split hairs/heirs if it makes you feel better, but it's not particularly helpful to the main point of this thread. (As a Christian, I am deeply indebted to the Jewish people and the faith they kept alive for centuries before Jesus' birth, and it's quite clear to me that my Christian faith stands on the shoulders of the Jewish faith.)

Christian symbols at a school founded by Jesuits - well, now I've heard of everything.

If Obama doesn't want Christian imagery on display where he gives speeches, maybe he shouldn't give them in Christian places. Just a thought.

While in the main ol hoss is correct but there is one point that he has overlooked. Hebrews 7: 14 states that Jesus is of the line of Judah (Jewish) and not of the priestly line (Levi).

The great brown leader would love to cover up his bow to the head Saudi sand lice emperor. Or would he?

"""Joseph wasn't Christ's father. Obviously.""""

old horse

I knew it, damn milkman strikes again!!!!

Hey ol hoss, by your logic, the 13th tribe would be the Cylons, right? You're hilarious dude. Spend some time talking to a rabbi about who is and isn't a Jew. Education is such a wonderful thing, especially when it's applied to an open mind.

Me, I'm from the 13th tribe... I love skinjobs

While in the main ol hoss is correct but there is one point that he has overlooked. Hebrews 7: 14 states that Jesus is of the line of Judah (Jewish) and not of the priestly line (Levi).

Maybe if you read it in context you would get the point. He (Christ) was a Priest after the order of Melchisedek. The point of the passage is perfection came, not by a tribe, but by Him. Your "indebtedness" is to Him (although He gave life freely), not "Jews".

Where to start.

Mary, the Mother of God, spent much of her early life in residence at the Temple of Solomon.

Christ preached that the World of God should not be the exclusive purview of the Jewish nation, but for all nations.

Christ was circumsized at eight days old.

At 40 days old, Jesus being the first-born, he was taken to the temple and consecrated to God, according to the Law of Moses.

No, he sure weren't no Jew, that's dern tootin'.

Suppose if some people had some knowledge of ancient Greek they would know Ioudaios (Jew) has more than one meaning. If I lived in Texas I'd be a Texan. No reference to lineage.

Keep dancin' hoss.

Gee, the Laws were given to Moses, a Levite. No dance there.

Jesus and his followers were Jewish. Christianity did not appear, full blown, out of nowhere: it's an offshoot of Judaism. (I find ol hoss's antipathy to Jewishness and Jews quite off putting. What kind of Christian denomination is he allied with, anyway? Certainly not an orthodox kind.)

Georgetown University is, IMO, derelict in its witness by acquiescing to Obama’s narcissistic and anti-Christian—hey, isn’t that discrimination?—request. A pox on both their houses.

Too many Christians have been too willing to turn the other cheek in situations where guts, not kowtowing, are required. I fear that it may be too late to turn the tide of the anti-Christian tsunami of barbarism that’s swamping the West.

Kyrie eleison.

Jesus and his followers were Jewish.

Wrong again.

Romans 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Why do you think Paul thought it necessary to point that out? Just to fill space?

Rev. 5:10 - I'm rarely accused of doing anything perfectly. Thanks.

"Mary, the Mother of God, spent much of her early life in residence at the Temple of Solomon."

Putting aside the God Bearer/Mother of God debate, there is no way that Mary spent any time at the Temple of Solomon as it had been destroyed centuries before Mary was born. She might have spent some time at the Second Temple of Zerubbabel or the Temple built at Herod's request we have no accurate documentation in that regard except the theorizing of the RC Church in their attempt to win the God Bearer/Mother of God debate that peculated between the Orthodox and Catholic branches of Christianity.

BTW ol hoss I never said that Jesus isn't a Priest of the order of Melchizedek. I said He was not a priest of the order of Levi.

OMG, what have I unleashed?

Here's a new question: how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Doug: 5, you cretin. What's that got to do with the Second Temple of Zerubbabel? Focus!

Bottom line, Bary didn't want to be on video beneath a cross.

No doubt because it would make all his white liberal minions' heads explode in unison, and he can't afford to buy new ones right now. Still paying off this bunch.

Actually I believe the staging explanation. Staging people are like that.

He's still a d1ck though.

Bambam went to church for contacts I'm thinking. He used the Lincoln bible for the flubbed oath and no bible in the private second one. I wondered at the time why he was so careful about the oath when he had no concern for the other niceties of the Constitution. Smoke and mirrors.

Pot calling kettle black. No such thing as a hyphenated Christian. You're Christian or you aren't.

This is not a religion in and of itself. Instead, it is a set of ideals and general philosophies born out of both the Jewish and Christian traditions.

Not a religion. Repeat that as necessary.

So is Iggy a muslim too?

This is not a religion in and of itself. Instead, it is a set of ideals and general philosophies born out of both the Jewish and Christian traditions.

Not a religion. Repeat that as necessary.

Constantly repeating something, like a leftist, doesn't make it true.

sa
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782"

Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes. -Thomas Jefferson

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)

"...there seems to be no room for the host British, Judeo-Christian culture..."

Life of Brian - What have the Romans done ever done for us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaE3EaQte78

"Oh, peace...shut up!"

ok...

I guess I don't get your point. Everything you cite is Thomas Jefferson's personal opinion, often - as you've done - misinterpreted, which clearly didn't interfere with his support of either the Declaration of Independence or his support of the Bill of Rights/Constitution, which clearly says that the government "shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

To say that Jefferson's opinions contained in his private correspondence somehow supersedes the rights enshrined in the Constitution is laughable at best and the wishful thinking of anti-religious tyrants at worst.

It didn't matter if Jefferson believed in God, Jesus, or little green spacemen in fuchsia tutus...all that matters is what he, and the other Found Fathers, included in the Constitution. And that includes the unalienable right to free expression of religion.

And the right to express our displeasure when the man who says he's a "uniter" and a Christian has a religious symbol covered up for no good reason.

Jesus and his followers were Jewish.

Wrong again.

Hmmm. Well, I'll have a go at this as well. ol hoss, you have not really defined what you mean by Jew or Jewish when you make your claims, so I am left to presume a little. Perhaps, you are advocating some type of hyper-dispensationalism. You have not yet made any statements advocating antinomianism, but if you were to do so, then I think I would understand why you make your claims.

Notwithstanding your assertions, the Scripture actually does call the followers of Jesus Jews. However, the Scripture actually goes further than that - it calls these followers more Jewish than those who are physical descendants of Israel.
Romans 2

28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.

29 But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

This circumcision of the heart is described further in Colossians 2:

9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

11 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;

By quoting Romans 11:1 which mentions Paul's ancestry to both Abraham and Israel and then asserting that Paul was not Jewish, you seem to define Jewish as outside genealogy. I suppose that leaves only the definition of faith to define "Jewish". Although Paul did take the Judaizers (who were predominantly Pharisees) to task on more than one occasion, he did not take it so far as to suggest that to be a Pharisee was inconsistent with being a Christian, for he claimed to be a Pharisee years after his conversion during a trial in Jerusalem.
Acts 23
6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, "Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!"

Now unless you are suggesting that Pharisees were not Jews, it is clear Paul is making a claim to be Jewish (as a follower of Jesus).

"I knew it, damn milkman strikes again!!!!"

You know why there's no more home milk deliveries?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9YL0yHohts

Paul was a Pharisee and of the tribe of Benjamin. Obviously all Pharisees were not Jews except in the sense of people living in Texas are Texans.

No Christian would take offense by the symbol IHS. Some Christians wouldn't even understand that symbol. On the other hand, a Muslim probably would take offense to it, which leaves me to believe Obama is Muslim..... Don't care what that poll says. He's a Muslim.

This political correctness is getting way out of hand. If this society won't allow Christianity to be practiced then I for one will convert to Judism. What was good enough for Jesus is good enough for me. Muslim never.

I'll see your 'stat' with the 75% of leftists who believe the moon landings never happened, then raise you with the 79% of leftist moonbats who believe the twin towers were brought down by Bush, Zorpheus..thanks for reminding us that there are mental defectives in your camp who are in dire need of being institutionalized.
Posted by: Kursk at April 16, 2009 5:04 PM

WOW, you got like proof to back up those numbers, or are you just pulling numbers out of thin air?

Heck I'm sorry if the stats that Kate wuotes here demonstrates that 20% of White Religious bible thumpers are ignorant morons, very sorry, but what else would call these people? There is no excuse not to know Obama's religious leanings, he's the freaking POTUS and they just had the election,... it was like in the news and everything,... heck they even talked about it on the newfangled intertoobies and all.

Zorp:

What religion is White?

No idea, but what I did say was "White Religious bible thumpers" maybe I should included a comma,... maybe that would have help removed your confusion. Also, since Kate was referencing statics that 20% of White Evangelicals are ignorant morons, I didn't think it was required to spell out their religious leanings,... although those twenty percent seem to need Obama's spelled out for them, even after he has become their President, even after a year long election race.

"I wanna see that birth certificate."

It's being kept in Area 51 guarded by the lizard people.

"Don't care what that poll says. He's a Muslim. "

Translation: Coo Coo for Coco Puffs.

'Too bad this thread got hijacked by ol hoss's inanities.

So, my question still hasn't been answered:

Why is it only Christians who are asked to acquiesce to others' possible sensitivities? What about Christians' feelings?

batb @ 7:04 "Why is it only Christians who are asked to acquiesce to others' possible sensitivities? What about Christians' feelings?"

You must have missed the memo!! It came out shortly after the one stating death of common sense, then one with death of personal responsibility, then death of morality, etc.

These memos should be filed somewhere under the subject line of "road to hell." Unfortunately, lefties file them under the subject "to live by".

Zorpheous Its been a long time since you have been in church hasn't it? Evangelical Churches are very, very ethnically/racially diverse nowadays. But don't let your bigotry get in the way of your version of truth.

I think when that memo went out, Frenchie77, I burned it. I'm D-A-M-N-E-D if I'm going to be bullied, pushed around, and silenced.

As I said earlier, my family were immigrants to Canada over 200 years ago and helped to build this democracy which has been welcoming immigrants from all over the world ever since -- and treating them with respect and considering them equal under the law, not above the law or outside the law.

The nearest analogy I can think of for what's been happening since Trudeau's wretched Charter of Rights (sic) and Freedoms (sic) and the toxic "multiculturalism" it ushered in, is this:

Visitors to someone's home, who have been accorded warm and generous hospitality -- they've been welcomed, fed well, provided with clothing, and a warm and comfortable place to sleep -- look around them and say, "I don't like that photo over there or that piece of sculpture; it doesn't suit my taste. Take it down. And, while you're at it, I'm offended by that grace you said and that cross on the wall, as they are not in keeping with MY faith."

Only a few years ago, we would have seen the obscenity of such a scenario and, I wager, the householder/host would tell their well-treated guests to take a hike: "Take it or leave it, but don't expect me to rearrange my house according to your tastes and sensibilities."

So, what's our problem? How come we've become such laydown monkeys? I think I've tried to answer the question, but what do others think? 'Anything to do with our not knowing what we stand for anymore -- and falling for anything?

except you come as a child.

I for one will convert to Judism. What was good enough for Jesus is good enough for me.

Huh, Judaism doesn't even belive in Christ. You're saying Christ didn't believe in Himself?