the hidden agenda(COUGH)
will become blantenly obvious when carbon pricing kicks in..

So we consume too much. The third world breeds too much. I'd say we're even.

Now, Europe has a much higher pop. density than we do in N.America but they still have lots of room compared to much of the third world.

We here have nothing to worry about. Our output per sq/km is probably the lowest on earth (save the Antarctic where there isn't any people outside of researchers.)

We should all refrain from using the word sustainable and instead use the word subsistance, as in subsitance farming.

i'd say that's going to be a tough sell to the devoutly Muslim subpopulation of the UK. Probably this will morph into some kind of call to ethnic Britons to abort themselves and hand over their aboriginal homeland to the soldiers of Allah....

Disturbingly evocative...

Where have I heard that before, oops, I found it at wikipedia:

"Soylent Green is a 1973 dystopian science fiction movie depicting a future in which global warming and overpopulation lead to depleted resources on Earth. This in turn leads to widespread unemployment and poverty. Real fruit, vegetables, and meat are rare, commodities are expensive, and much of the population survives on processed food rations, including "soylent green" wafers."

Watch yourselves, Brits, those green wafers aren't what you think they are.

They won't have to bother . . . Lizzie May says we only have hours left to live anyway.

Wonder which "element" of the "British" population is growing their population? Three guesses, first two don't count.

Now that britain is fixed they want to come and fix our problems as well...nice of them.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3cef76ee-0377-11de-b405-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Gee, Johnny why don't you show us how it's done? Gather together everybody YOU love and care about and do a "Jonestown".

Enviro-nuts are such hypocrites. Where are the mass suicides? True believers would rid the earth of such a burden. Selfish hypocrites.

1) Um, the scantily clad hip chick with the new ipod and after bar hours state sanctioned sidewalk safety flip flops?
2) The guys with more fashion accessories and hair removal products than I?
3) The ones surgically betwixt (but no incarcerated) the two aforementioned?

Did I win?

Eugenics is a no-brainer for people who believe humans are a blight on the earth. People with no brain listen to them.

Well, as Dr. Norman Borlaug has said, you're basically asking millions of people to commit suicide.

Any takers on the left over there? No. Didn't think so...

Ahh... the Big Green agenda finally shows its cards and reveals that it's not playing with a full deck.

Maybe it is time to offer to relieve the UK of its surplus population. Our three western premiers should plan a recruitment drive. Perhaps the sane British natives (non-greenie, non-socialists) will recognize that it's time to get off the island.

Bonus:They already speak English (kinda)

Er, my pardons, should have prefaced my response to Liz J. @ 11:10am.

Very astute "Idd".

What rube said. The fastest way to get one of those greenie-extremies foaming at the mouth when they advocate reducing the population is to simply state,

"You're welcome to remove yourself from the gene pool at your convenience."

Strangely they never practice what they preach.

This guy is a winner. He's previously called for a two child limit for not just Britain but the whole Western world.

Its because we are such mean and bad people, y'see. We're DENIERS, we all need to be in the half of the population that stops producing CO2. Like, when we breath.

Greenies meet Islamists. I have no dog in that fight.

bcf said "i'd say that's going to be a tough sell to the devoutly Muslim subpopulation of the UK".

Don't worry. The growth in Islam will be offset by the removal of several million Jews from Britain.

Next problem? Those pesky Celts.

Strange the last time "excess population" was medically experimented upon it was considered a war crime. So now the greenies are going to have CO2 concentration camps for UK residents?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War

The English term "concentration camp" was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during this conflict.

The camps had originally been set up by the British Army as "refugee camps" to provide refuge for civilian families who had been forced to abandon their homes for one or other reason related to the war. However, when Kitchener succeeded Roberts as commander-in-chief in South Africa in 29 November 1900, the British Army introduced new tactics in an attempt to break the guerrilla campaign and the influx of civilians grew dramatically as a result. Kitchener initiated plans to

"flush out guerrillas in a series of systematic drives, organized like a sporting shoot, with success defined in a weekly 'bag' of killed, captured and wounded, and to sweep the country bare of everything that could give sustenance to the guerrillas, including women and children.... It was the clearance of civilians—uprooting a whole nation—that would come to dominate the last phase of the war."[22]

As Boer farms were destroyed by the British under their "Scorched Earth" policy—including the systematic destruction of crops and slaughtering of livestock, the burning down of homesteads and farms, and the poisoning of wells and salting of fields—to prevent the Boers from resupplying from a home base many tens of thousands of women and children were forcibly moved into the concentration camps. This was not the first appearance of internment camps. The Spanish had used internment in the Ten Years' War that led to the Spanish-American War, and the United States had used them to devastate guerrilla forces during the Philippine-American War. But the Boer War concentration camp system was the first time that a whole nation had been systematically targeted, and the first in which some whole regions had been depopulated.

Eventually, there were a total of 45 tented camps built for Boer internees and 64 for black Africans. Of the 28,000 Boer men captured as prisoners of war, 25,630 were sent overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these concentration camps.

So the greenies are advocating 2nd Boer War Redux?

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von
Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group "True North"

When those who say it's a crisis starting acting like it's a crisis, then I'll believe it's a crisis. - Glenn Reynolds

If Porritt offed himself, I still wouldn't think it's a crisis, but the world would be spared one genocidal thug. And that's a Good Thing.

Wow, the perfect convergence may come about in Britain. The greenies want population reduction and Allah tells the Muslims they can't rape and enjoy their slaves until "a great slaughter" has taken place.

Mohammed was clever. He knew that by killing an horrendous number of the captured enemy population execution style that the witnessing survivors were psychologically stunned and made compliant.

The greenies may get their wishes fulfilled.

OOOH! OOOH! Do I get to pick? Aren't these the guys sans..weapons?

The Muslims will take over Britain eventually. But hey, the Brits can go to their oblivion able to proudly say that at least they cared about the environment.

The irony is that the Muslims are not prone to be industrialists, so the Brits can rest easy knowing that by dying off, they have succeeded in cutting pollution and saving the environment.

Yes a wonderful clean environment where fat bearded men in filthy night shirts can enjoy raping their slaves.

Britain is soooooo Monty Python.

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ooh, ooh, pick me... i know this one!!!

dammit... penny beat me to it.

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Reducing the population quickly should be easy. Anyone got any guillontines? Or better yet, the Brits could hire some Mexicans.

Reducing the population quickly should be easy. Anyone got any guillontines? Or better yet, the Brits could hire some Mexicans.

Didn't Mugabe want to reduce the population of Zimbabwe?

And hey, you can't argue with his results. He's well on his way to meeting his goal.

Let's think a bit,shall we? What is the birthrate for native Brits? around 1.5 births per woman, which is a steep demographic decline, just what they're asking for. What's the birthrate amoung immigrant Muslims? About 5.5 per woman, which is population explosion rate. Good luck getting them to cut back.

Even with the immigrant population explosion, the overall birthrate is still a demographic decline, so the only thing they need to do is immediately end all immigration. Very simple solution that avoids any "final solution".

Like there's a hope in hell the politically correct, cowering Brits would have the guts to implement that!

Green is the 21st Century's version of fascism

"This guy is a winner. He's previously called for a two child limit for not just Britain but the whole Western world.

Posted by: The Phantom'"
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Seems he's not very well informed. The whole western world is already well below a two child limit.

Momar; "Yes a wonderful clean environment where fat bearded men in filthy night shirts can enjoy raping their slaves."

I think the point being made is that they won't be fat for very long. I'm pretty sure you can't feed 60M+ people while sitting around drinking coffee and sucking on the ol' hookah...

i'd say that's going to be a tough sell to the devoutly Muslim subpopulation of the UK. Probably this will morph into some kind of call to ethnic Britons to abort themselves and hand over their aboriginal homeland to the soldiers of Allah....

Posted by: bcf at March 24, 2009 11:04 AM

Which will make the placement of a couple of nukes that much easier!And who really cares if a couple of metro,patsy-assed limeys are still around kissing socialist butt?

The MSM will finally push back when they figure out that they're on the list too. That is, once they are not longer useful. That's right after they finish 'reporting' the last non-journalist feeding of the crocodile.

I try asking my liberal friends why we should bring low carbon-footprint Mexican peasants into the US and make them full fledged carbon belching Americans. You quickly find out that it is "for the votes"

Didn't Mo Strong say that the world's population should be reduces by half? Who wrote the Kyoto Protocol again? Green the new Nazis.

try reading the just passed H.R. 1388. Scary!

In 20 years temperatures will be as low as they are now, the oceans will not have risen, and the environmental movement, in its present form, will be a historical footnote, or historical laughing stock. Western populations will be competing for immigrants and encouraging higher birth rates as the only feasible way to sustain the generous and unsustainable social programs for the swelling elderly population. Mr. Porritt, and those like him, will be looked back upon with much smirking and head shaking.

Why does this topic bring on a huge deja vu? I'm surprised that no one has mentioned
Paul Ehrlich yet.

I don't know Littlebones, I'm starting to get an erie feeling that "old folk" will be considered expendable in the future.Ageism was already on display in the American election. The only protection seniors will have is their overwhelming # of votes, but that is it. I predict old people will be the villians of the future.

I agree with Indiana. The green assholes are too deeply entenched in government and it will get worse. Just because the oceans won't rise will be of no matter to them.

The truth is dead and a large amount of people are going to die because of these enviro nazis. We either shoot back soon, or march to the ovens. Choose wisely and quickly. Time is running out.

Dirtman: "The whole western world is already well below a two child limit."

From USA Today: Headed toward extinction? World depopulation — rather than overpopulation — is the troublesome trend that should concern the entire planet.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/03/headed-toward-e.html

Does Mr Porritt have any suggestions to share on the ideal population size of India and China and how best to achieve said goals?

I note that the article estimates that the earths population puts out 50 billion tons of CO2/year. Seems a mite high and implies that each person on earth eats at least 8.3 tons of dry food/year.

One calculation I didn't see (although I'm not sure whether individuals such as Porritt are capable of doing the math) is how much CO2 would 30 million rotting corpses release to the atmosphere. Probably more than the greenies would consider to be acceptable. They'd have to bury to bodies quite deep which means massive CO2 emissions from the heavy machinery used to dig the trenches.

Given that the UK population is virtually disarmed, any crackpot who proposes eliminating 1/2 of the population for environmental reasons wouldn't have much meaningfull opposition. Trying something similar in N. America is simply impossible given the fraction of the population that owns guns and a forced population reduction scenario would make all gun owners use their guns for self-defence.

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"kathryn says... From USA Today: Headed toward extinction?
World depopulation..."

or you could read "america alone"... by mark steyn.

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Exactly Kathryn.

We've(my employer) done the majority of Potash mines in Saskatchewan we are considered the experts in the industry. Discussions about supply and world population are relevant to our business so we are informed regarding this subject. The numbers dictate that there will be a world population decline starting around 2020. Today there is the technology and resources to feed 50billion ppl; therefore, politics is major obstacle when it comes to feeding the world.

The over population crisis is BS. Period!

we all have a dog in this fight. how about just kill them all, all those who think humans are a virus on the planet. that would help. stress levels would go way down.

oops

"politics is *THE* major obstacle when it comes to feeding the world."

Sorry old white dude, we've been hog tied. As I've said before, the Left's "War on Men" has made it impossible to fight back, verbally or physically.

As has been evident for a while the death cult Liberals want us all dead. Its why they love Islamists. They too worship death as a god. One of the Earth, the other a capricious moon god that only allows salvation threw homicide of none Muslims or apostates.
This is the mentality of the Landowner gentry. Desert (Think of Israel before the tree’s where planted) or not. Its what kept England a forest for 1,600 years after the Romans left. Its why Islam today is barren rationally.
They can worship whatever they want, just leave us alone. The result of not doing so will turn into unintended consequences. Never a good thing for tyrants & killers.
If left up top this bunch, we will all be living in the dark ages with out door plumbing. Those Kaffirs or conservatives that are allowed to live that is…..
JMO

It's the same logical error as the one made by Malthus: in their predictions of the future, these doomsayers seem to forget completely about the advance of technology. It's as if, to them, technology has already reached the highest level it ever will reach, and no new advances (such as the introduction of dwarf wheat) are possible.

What idiot needs a “study” to know that when you live with limited resources particularly non renewable, you need to maintain a balanced population?

First off why do western countries need to change anything to accommodate further third world growth and expansion?

Second, the UK needs not worry about reducing numbers to balance with third world lifestyles. The third world is doing a good job of that for them through immigration. The liberal nutters will be glad to know that at current immigration rates the UK will resemble Mumbai India in the near future.

Supply and demand!

How much will fresh water, fuel, food, and housing cost then? How will the North Sea fish stocks fare?

If governments don’t cap population growth, the planet will eventually do it for them. Once the entire western world falls to the level of third world, overpopulation will bring starvation, pandemics, and war on a global scale. Welcome to the ultimate dream of the left - equality.