ooh, ooh, Special K?

Wow! That was way off. Nobody is going to guess this unless they cheat and look first.

I'm going with Dion, the little commie.

Sam S.

Iggy?

I'll embarrass myself....Taliban Jack.

I tried Mohammed. Close but no cigar.

Ok I was wrong but if you are looking at ego...

Yep, I did embarrass myself.

Wow, so far off.
The last paragraph of the article finally adressed MY reaction to what was in the rest of it.
Sam S.

It was Christ.

Way to ruin it Kirk!

Warren Katsella ?

Duoh, Of course, it's like soooo obvious.

Stop worrying people, Jesus is just a myth, and God and religion is nothing but story to sell to the ignorant masses. Oh and the same goes for all the bs religious crap out there, Islam, Jews, Buddhist, etc.

Zorpheous: you getting your religion education off the side of a transit bus?

If that helps YOU sleep at night Zorpheous, stop sticking your nose into what helps others sleep at night.

Catsella?

Yep, I picked a rag-head.

But, hold on there Zorph, God is no Myth, and maybe, just maybe, some of those ignorant masses need something to hold onto in this lil crazy up-side-down world we live in.

IMHO, the Ten Commandments are a pretty good guide to live by.

IM2ndHO, I have tripled my ammo stock since Hussien became President.
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Kanye West

Zorpheous' Obamessiah just arrived. Talk about feet of clay...

i know that there have not been this many stupid people around in the past. as the fruit fly says there were only 2 billion around when he was born and it would seem the 4 billion who followed are getting dumber by the minute. the fruit fly only said 2 billion.

That "myth" changed my life top to bottom ;side to side, inside out. Who and what I am now I would not trade for a THOUSAND of the former me!!

Jesus, right?

He is no fool, who trades something he cannot keep for something that he cannot lose!

The need by the masses to have faith in something is perhaps the best explaination for such bizarre popularity of Obamamania and Kyotoism......

The Ten Commandments are likely an adoption of earlier Mesopotamian/Eygptian theology....non-the-less an excellant life guide/manual.

Is there a God...only our dying will tell and then hopefully we have made the right choice......

Sean Penn is everywhere this week

Well, I'd give a lot to see Obama act more like Jesus Christ, but I doubt he'd be the one for this story.

Nope. He'd give her a kiss on the cheek, tell her one of the disciples would be calling, and then make sure the video caught the evening news.

Christ, Kinsella...

The first was.

The second think's he's the second coming of...

WOW! I looked, but I never would have guessed that. How do the Anglicans get any air with their heads shoved so very far up there?

As for the "athiests" coming out of the woodwork; seems there are no real atheists any more, just anti-theists, which is a completely different thing.

After all, no one has to write books telling people not to believe in unicorns. You cannot be against something that is not real.

I believe Mr. Thompson has taken the story out of context. First of all, the scripture is from the 15th chapter of Matthew and not the 14th, beginning with the 22nd verse. This is what Walvoord, John F. & Zuck, Roy B. of the Dallas Theological Seminary say:

Matthew 15:21-28 (Mark 7:24-30). To get away from the questionings of the religious leaders, Jesus withdrew from Israel and went north into the region of Tyre and Sidon, the Gentile coastal region of Phoenicia. Tyre was 35 miles from Galilee and Sidon was 60. There He met a Canaanite woman. Centuries earlier that area’s inhabitants were called Canaanites (Num. 13:29). She pleaded with Him to have mercy on her demon-possessed daughter. She addressed Him as Lord, Son of David (cf. Matt. 9:27; 20:30-31), a messianic title. But even that appeal could not help her, for the timing was not appropriate. When Jesus failed to answer her and she persisted with her appeal, the disciples . . . urged Jesus to send her away. They seemed to be asking, “Lord, why don’t You go ahead and help this woman? She isn’t going to give up until You do.”
Jesus reminded them, I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel (cf. 10:6). He had come to offer to His own people the kingdom promised through David centuries before. Thus it was inappropriate for Him to bring blessings on Gentiles before blessings fell on Israel. But the woman was not easily discouraged. She saw in Jesus the only chance for help for her child. On her knees she pleaded, Lord, help me! Jesus’ reply caused her to realize her position, for He said it would not be right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs. He was picturing a family gathered at mealtime around a table, eating food provided by the head of the household. The Gentile woman saw herself in this picture. She was not a child in the family (of Israel) eligible for the choicest morsels of food. But she saw herself as a household dog (a Gentile; the Jews often called Gentiles “dogs”) eligible to receive crumbs that might fall from the master’s table. She was not wanting to deprive Israel of God’s blessings. She was simply asking that some of the blessing be extended to her in her need. In light of such great faith (cf. 8:10), the kind of faith Jesus was looking for in Israel, He granted her request. Her daughter was healed . . . that very hour. This Gentile woman’s faith contrasted with Israel’s leaders who were rejecting Jesus.

Jesus Christ

If following the slo-mo suicide of the Anglican Church is your idea of fun, Damian Thompson is the man. How can they be such p.c. twits?

Orlin nailed it. Jesus initial response had nothing to do with racism or misogyny.

Way to go Zorph, keep embarrassing those of us who don't believe. Your ilk is no better than the feminists who claim to speak for "women". Like them, your type get on a soapbox and claim to represent the views of others who are atheist, yet you have no authority to do so. Your whole agenda to organize atheists in solidarity is a paradox. People like you come to atheism out of self loathing, there is no other explanation, there is no valid reason to be hostile to religious folk if you’re an atheist. Your type feel inadequate among those who follow a moral code; therefore, you turn around and throw stones at those you envy. You will be among the first to crack and look to God when your pitiful little existence is in jeopardy.

It bothers me not to say “god bless you”(there I said it, I wonder if I’m still an atheist?) and it is greatly appreciated when it is said to me. After all, it’s about the nicest thing a Christian wish for you. The truth is, when someone says “god bless you” to someone like you, you are so embarrassed of yourself, that you hold anger toward those that would bring you to God’s attention. It is similar to the anger one sibling holds towards another sibling that has ratted them out to Mom; except, it is my understanding that God will not punish you, he’ll forgive you, and you’ll feel better.

Leave atheism to those who have formed their beliefs from critical thought, and pick yourself up a bible. You will be much happier.

Without looking at the other answers :
Lord Jesus Christ.

Uh, Zorph...we are reading about an historical person here.Creative writing was not a common trait of fisherman and tax collectors.

But the choice to believe history is yours.

Roni...amen!!

'Cause people these days is too dumb for theology...

What did Jesus DO?

Typical. MSM can't even source the quote correctly. The text is Matthew 15:22-27, not Matthew 14:22-27.

Then they take it out of context. The "money quote" is Matthew 15:28...

"Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it done unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was healed from that hour."

These are the same idiots that insist that the bible cannot be taken literally when it interferes with their favourite sins. They just love to look at the world through the lens of their own prejudice.

Sigh. The ACC ceased being Christian some time ago.

Posted by: Indiana Homez at February 27, 2009 4:31 PM

Wow, you seem to jump to whole bunch of conclusions based on one tiny post, Indiana.

You clearly don't know the first thing about me, or what I believe or think. Yet it is very educational watching the reaction from many of the posters here. I got to admit, your post was the most entertaining.

Uh, Zorph...we are reading about an historical person here.Creative writing was not a common trait of fisherman and tax collectors.

But the choice to believe history is yours.

LOL, you maybe correct on that point, except the bible story was selectively written but a bunch of church insiders who thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it. Garbage in, Garbage out.

Oh, but the way, Ra was a historical figure as well ;-)

Zorph:

I believe Jesus was a historical figure and what distinguishes him from any other historical figure is that he said he was the son of God.

The texts selected for inclusion in the Bible was decided by on of the Seven early Ecumenical Councils, which were comprised of bishops from all over the known world at the time.

They examined, over two Councils, which texts most accurately reflected the message that a known historical figure has brought down to earth.

You certainly are entitled to believe whatever you'd like to believe, but it would give you more credibility to base you opinions on facts.

You certainly are entitled to believe whatever you'd like to believe, but it would give you more credibility to base you opinions on facts.

Posted by: set you free at February 27, 2009 5:27 PM

Prove Jesus existed,... the Bible isn't fact, it is fiction.

Zorph your "little comment" could serve no purpose other than to insult those who follow the religions that you've listed.

"...God and religion is nothing but story to sell to the ignorant masses. Oh and the same goes for all the bs religious crap out there, Islam, Jews, Buddhist, etc. "

What I know about you is this; your arrogance leads you to believe that you are wise and know better than the vast majority of human beings. You belittle other peoples believes, yet you can't possible know if your own beliefs are correct, unless of course you are God. I see no reason to have such animosity towards so many people that you would insult them, except the one I stated earlier: envy. Please feel free to correct me where I've gone wrong.

Zorph:

If he did not exist, then how do you account for the historical events that surrounded his time on earth?

A person could. for the sake of argument, say William Shakespeare did not exist. So, prove to me William Shakespear existed.

There's probably no such thing as global warming, so stop worrying and enjoy life.

Zorph,how's Garth doing these days?

zorph..if you choose to believe 'a being that crawled out of a blue lotus flower and became something else every day' as an historic event, that's cool with me.

Some of us believe in The Man that was witnessd by thousands.

How about a bit of mutual respect?

Key point....Jesus,or whoever or whatever h\s/he was,saw the errore of her/his way,and changed his/her ways to accept everybody,as long as they preached and Prcatised equality. Can we pray leftards,socialists,commies,facist,Islamists,etc. soon have this ephinany? Yeah,but only after a dose of lead.

1. barryho
2. genekruton
3. dolton mcmoron
4. hoaren

So do you guys believe that Earth is slightly less than 6000 years old to? That only a few thousand years ago the Earth was nearly covered in water? That some guy guy survived three days in the belly of fish?

Jesus was a human construct taken from many more ancient stories. And those were myths as well.

Religion is a human construct that was required for the initial formation of societies, Religion was our parent, regardless of which religion you want choose to believe in,... but like all children, we can never finish growing to become true adults until the parent dies. It is time for us to bury this irrational belief in magical father figures with our belief in Santa and the Easter Bunny.

And for those of you who claim Jesus changed your life, no, you changed your life yourself.

Anyhoo, it has been laugh reading you guys, feel free to pray for me, and put in a good for me if you like. It will not offend me in least,... I am not offend when my Niece tells Santa that I want new Sailboat,... I just don't expect to see one under the Christmas Tree, nor am I disappointed.

How about a bit of mutual respect?
Posted by: bluetech at February 27, 2009 5:51 PM

Do you respect the person who believes in Islam?

I certainly do not respect a person who believes that Earth is flat, or who believes the Sun revolves around the Earth, or believes that Earth is 6000 years old. It is very hard to "Respect" ignorance.

Orlin, Tenebris:

I believe you're missing the point. The Anglican Church of Canada is the source of the ridiculousness. The author is reporting the church's actions.

Why does it matter? As pointed out by Thompson, it is blasphemous because it allows for sin to inhabit Jesus, which is a no-no under most Christian faiths. Well, as a non-practicing Catholic I can only wonder how much advice I can take from a "man" who was never tempted by woman, or angered by another, who was "without sin". I guess I'm just a heretic, as many heretics were before me, because I would prefer to believe in a Jesus who was as much a man as I and as open to temptation as I, and as potentially bigoted a I am. And that he overcame all that makes him that much more the person I would want to follow. Or at least I would if my lack of faith didn't keep kicking in.

But we can't discuss the divinity of Christ anymore, or whether he was man, or God, or both since the councils of the early Church cured all that kind of heresy with a bit of blood and fire. Damian Thompson would have fit in perfectly.

This describes Jesus. His resurrection demands we pay attention to every word he spoke.

Zorpheous How long is The Creator's day? Mans is 24 hours. He never told me His.

Geebus.

Zorph....PROVE HE DOESN"T EXIST????'Sick and tired of this prove he exists.NO.You prove to me he doesn't!

Stop Feeding The Troll.

Zorpheous is well known for spinning threads out to 100+ comments with this crap. You can't argue with him, because he will say -anything-. He's a Leftist. Its what they do.

Let the bugger starve.

Oh Phantie, you say the nicest things about me, thank you

~kiss~

I think the bible tells us the relationship between man and God is 6000 years old,from Adam to present.

Oh Phantie, you say the nicest things about me, thank you

~kiss~

The old reverse proof argument, lol.

Ok, easy. there is zero physical evidence that he exsisted,... next

Mutual respect?
"No eh."

Zorph's a worshipper at the alter of Caesar, he's here to strut his plumage de intolerance.
Thanks for showing us your ass!

zorph,

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Jesus_What%20did%20He%20look%20like%20.htm

paragraph 6

Cheers

Indeed Bluetech- The Lord Jesus who is the Christ (Messiah) of the living God.The one who spoke the universe into existence , died for our redemption was raised from the dead; and is our soon coming KING!

P.S. forgot-and He likes dogs!

http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Jesus_What%20did%20He%20look%20like%20.htm

paragraph 6

Cheers
Posted by: GaryinWpg at February 27, 2009 7:43 PM

If that is the best you got, then I still win.

Zorph's a worshipper at the alter of Caesar, he's here to strut his plumage de intolerance.
Thanks for showing us your ass!
Posted by: richfisher at February 27, 2009 7:42 PM

I worship Caesar, as in the salad or the dressing? (ok I admit it, I do like a good Caesar Salad, tastie) If you you are referring to Government, LOL, now that is funny!!!

Since Vitruvius is likely tooling up for punkin time, may I remind y'all of the wrath of Kate, re, feeding creatures that live under bridges?

KNOCK IT OFF.

Zorph....PROVE HE DOESN"T EXIST????'Sick and tired of this prove he exists.NO.You prove to me he doesn't!

Posted by: Justthinkin at 6:59 PM

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now that is as stupid as you can git

me thinks many of the self proclaimed jezus follower would do much better leading by example

I was raised in a "religious" home and went to a religious school, just got sick of the lies, and the judgemental and hate filled vectives

JUDGE NOT FOR YEA WILL BE JUDGED

and

LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR

this does not mean to go off on a spiel about abortion and/or bash gays at every opportunity, and when another professed kristian does, reminded them of the 2 rules I posted

you may condemn the acts of sin, you may not judge or say hateful things of the sinner

Hey, I have been nothing but polite, and the topic was Jesus. When I express my opinion that it does matter because jesus and organized religion, well crap. People here get bent out of shape.

I can't help if others are behaving badly

My biblical Greek is rusty, but I do recall one important explanation of this passage encompassed a couple of important facts.

First, some of the conversation involves a friendly "byplay" to the main request which is lost by the translation. For example, the word chosen for "dogs" is not the same word used to describe feral or street dogs(an unclean thing) but rather the word used to describe pets. In short, a affectionately embraced minor member of the family who could be overlooked. This fits with the status of the Samaritans who were an offshoot of the Abrahamic family who shared many of the same values but were in the "doghouse" as it were.

Secondly, the fact that Jesus was interacting with a woman at all was remarkable for a rabbi of the day. Women had little or no standing in society and especially Samaritans.

If Jesus had an expanding scope of ministry it was not in my view because he was a racist, but in large measure due to what people around him were ready to hear. He was expanding their understanding of the value of human beings through each of his teachings. Viz the ultimate - "love your enemies".

GYM....you misunderstand.If the sinner can question me,than I sure can question him.I don't question his stupidity.I question his questioning of my God.

OMG you guys! Troll! Stop feeding it!

Faith, like Justice and Love are abstract nouns. The concept of accepting something that cannot be defined through the five senses is no longer an integral part of universal knowledge. To have faith, the faith associated with Justice, Grace and Redemption; one must have an active imagination.

Jesus was the Son of God, not a social worker and not a liayer; unlike the former, Jesus was in the serious business of saving souls from the nasty socialist/Bolshevik downstairs.

Yukon Gold - you are correct...
Orlin

Hey Zorph, you have been polite, but don't link Jesus(of Nazareth) with organized religion. He was completely at odds with "religion". What exists today is the result of mankind organizing things into religion as badly or worse than in Jesus time on earth. Jesus preached a personal relationship with God, still the Gospel(good news) for today. If you hate organized religion and religious people you will discover a kindred spirit and friend in Jesus of Nazereth not to be confused with Jesus of Mexico or Montreal.

zorph -- Jesus would want me to pray for you - I'll do that...

Roni:

Actually, Jesus was born into the Jewish religion and said his arrival on earth fulfilled the Old Testament prophecy.

There are many examples of how he rebelled against the religious authorities of the day, who had become much too legalistic.

An example of this is the Parable of the Pharisee and the Publican in which the Pharisee went into the Temple and announced his perfection in obedience to the onerous and unnecessary man-made laws.

All the Publican did when he entered the Temple was: ‘Forgive me, a sinner.'

Glad to learn of your perfection.

"nasty Socialist/Bolshevik?"

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven.

Yo - the rat at -- Man you just preached the Gospel!! Jesus, God with the skin on, fully in the flesh of a man, just like you ;just like me. Open to all the same temptations as me, as potentially as bigotted as me and he overcame that, and was without sin. A lamb without spot or blemish. May the Holy Spirit continue to bless your heart and work in your life. You know that in doubt are the seeds of faith.

It's hard to be humble when you have a great BIG GOD! I'm not perfect but I am perfectly righteous because I wear the righteousness of Jesus Christ. Indeed I have been set free, forgiven, covered in his robe of righteousness.

Roni I appreciate what you say here. Even among this bunch there are many who will ridicule you. I'm not one of them. I know Christ is real. I know we are all eternal. Where we end up is the real question that angers non believers.

I could tell you stories about Him and the way He changed me, things He showed me. But I don't choose to share those on this blog. I'll wager you probably have a few of your own stories how Christ works in your life.

Now I'm a long way from being perfect but I know the truth. Christ lived and still lives.

By the way, I've read most of the Bible and there is no mention of the earth being flat that I recall. In fact I believe it states that the earth is round. People who have never read the Bible should not comment on things they know nothing about. And as stated in an earlier thread, the whole purpose of this subject about Jesus being rascist was taken out of context, like people often do with the Bible.

Indiana Homez at February 27, 2009 4:31 PM

Have to say I'm in the same thought as you on this and I'd add the condescending tone of the usual atheist also arbors me. If one expects respect then they ought to be giving it in the first place. Guess it shows the contrast with the way of thinking that makes conservatives what they are that, which makes me want to be in their camp.
Not to mention how many other religious based groups are as accepting of non-believers and others not of their faith?

Our country, in fact this continent was founded on the Judea-Christian beliefs and we're one of the best countries in the world today. So why discredit all that? Lots more good was done than bad with this religion compared to a few others and not to mention a few atheists too. hitler, mao, stalin, etc.

The simple fact is that you shouldn't lend credence to people who believe their their grandfather was a chunk of dirt. If they evolved from dirt then their opinions are the opinions of dirt and as such have no place in the discussions of children of the LIVING GOD. As JESUS said, "Let those who have ears...". I mean seriously folks have you ever debated a pebble before? It may make you feel vexed but it has no effect on the dirt crumb. BTW if dirt asks you to prove an historic event realize that dirt is incapable of learning history so why bother trying.

Liberal Anglicanism generally does not even believe that Jesus was God, even though Scripture, tradition, and dare I say, reason concludes otherwise. It's time for Anglicans to either join the Southern Cone, join the Roman Catholics, or find another home amongst Christians who don't have "itchy ears". Canadian Anglicanism is about to expire with the next General Synod.

Jesus was not a racist. Read some solid commentaries and find out why he challenged the foreign woman. Bishop Tom Wright is a good Anglican theologian to read. His "Resurrection of the Son of God" is excellent.

real:

It's funny how you like to throw that passage around like it's some sort of attack on conservatives or those that support capitalism. Has it ever occurred to you that some of us would like to retain more of our earnings to donate to causes that we see fit rather than "give" it to a government to spend on programs that we do not support?

I don't think Jesus was preaching that Communism and Socialism was the way to Heaven. Those political philosophies aren't methods of measuring a person's generosity, and our opposition to them doesn't make us greedy.

You know what I like about the direction this thread is taking?

It's actually making people's faith even stronger.

Chairman, I agree with you and would like to add one point.

Compassion toward others' suffering is every individual's responsibility.

A state is non-compassionate because to redistribute, it must first committ the non-compassionate act of taking away what a person has earned through his own honest efforts.

If you read the passage in question in the Jewish social context of every day meal time then it is quite likely Christ was being facetious and the women played up to it in kind.

The Anglican Church of Canada is adrift.

"...the bible story was selectively written but a bunch of church insiders who thought the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it. Garbage in, Garbage out..."

Not meaning to respond to a troll, but this comment interests me. I doubt there is any writing in the bible that specifically indicates that the writers believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around it...except for that passage in the Old Testament about whatshisname holding up his staff and stopping the sun in the sky so a battle could continue. I should research this.

Actually, there are many things in the Bible that indicate that they were "hip" to the scientifically correct understanding of the world and the universe. It would be interesting to see a list of those things they got totally wrong...I suspect it would be very short.

Dead easy, if you've read up on him. And who else are people going to slag if not him? Yeshua Bar-Joseph

Actually Eeeyore, science and archeology continue to prove the Bible's accuracy.
One example of many:
Tyre and Sidon were assumed for centuries to be 'mythical or mistaken' locations until recently( 1900's ) when a buried city was 'found' in the exact location that Tyre is referred to in scripture, under water, just as prophesised.

mark...right on.Context! The main point of that story of Christ and the woman is the faith and intellect of the people of that era. The Wise men from the east and this woman are a few example of the many different cultures who were very aware of the promise of a Saviour thru the Hebrews.

Kate...thanks for allowing this intellectual discussion.

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven.

Is Buzz Hargrove or Boob Ray or 'Jacko and Olive hoil' in Canada your template? How about the big house/bank account the Obama family own, the palaces Stalin lived in , the digs of Castro? How do you equate, New?

bluetech

the writers of the bible were people of their time, of coarse there is historical relevance, but that does not equate to religious accuracy

Gym...what is 'religious accuracy'?

My faith is in absolute Truth, not religious accuracy.

Mr. Yukon, Upon re-reading the article, I have determined you are correct in your analysis...thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Regards...Orlin