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February 12, 2009

Reader Tips

Good evening, EBD here. Welcome to the Wednesday edition of Late Nite Radio.

Tonight's musical selection is from Australian Nick Cave's album No More Shall We Part. At first glance it might seem a political song, or some sort of ironic commentary on the so-called religious right, but it's not; the real subject of the song is a particular feeling, a desire for communion, which the idiosyncratic Cave has artfully made one with the song itself. Time-bound identity-politic struggles are noted, but then duly rejected -- spat out -- as anathema to the prayed-for state of grace, while idealized, nostalgic, almost pastoral politics are summoned in the present tense, as a prayer, against all odds; in both cases it's the feeling -- the desire for a state of grace -- ordering the words around. Politics in reverse, really.

Here, for your entertainment, Nick Cave sings God Is In The House.

The thread is open for your Reader Tips.

Posted by EBD at February 12, 2009 12:01 AM
Comments

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Entertainment/Ontario+commission+calls+Canadian+media+watchdog/1275661/story.html

The Ontario Human Rights Commission is calling for Parliament to force all Canadian magazines, newspapers and "media services" websites to join a national press council with the power to adjudicate breaches of professional standards and complaints of discrimination.

The council "would help bring about more consistency across all jurisdictions in Canada," reads an OHRC report to the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

I don't even want to think of the possibilities....

Posted by: allan at February 11, 2009 9:05 PM

The WaPo's Kathleen Parker was absolutely deliriously in love with Obama from the early days of time (ie. 2007). That has now ended with her latest piece entitled So Far, Amateur Hour. Look for her to be ostracized by the Obamabots by week's end!

Posted by: Robert W. at February 11, 2009 9:17 PM

With friends like this who need enemies.
How many jobs has this cost Canadians?

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1234386901.php

The excerpt above illustrates that the DOE stopped filling the Strategic Petroleum Reserve [SPR] as of last June [2008] – an activity that had been underway – more or less continuously – since 1999.

But the above excerpt says more than just that; it specifically states that, "Oil from the MMS offshore leases has been exchanged for other crude oil”

As evidenced above, crude oil has also been swapped – likely sweet crude, WTI - for less expensive sour crude. Under such a scenario – physical sweet crude left the SPR – creating a market glut of “premium sweet oil”. This set off an engineered over-supply chain reaction in the crude complex which depressed WTI’s price relative to Brent Crude. Because supply chain storage facilities are finite and were completely filled in the Texas / Cushing region – this also contributed to further price declines in the crude complex

Posted by: Kevin at February 11, 2009 9:20 PM

Democrat Insider Says Obama Has Secret Plan to Eliminate The Two Party System

"I was told by democratic officials in that meeting, that we were going to get billions of dollars that was gonna come down the pike our way, and we're gonna build an army (bigger than the US army) of democratic patronage jobs, that is going to completely freeze off the republicans for ever and ever"...eliminating the two-party system.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=270_1234301877

Posted by: Shawn at February 11, 2009 9:49 PM

See you, and raise you:

youtube Joe Henry "God Only Knows"

Posted by: KevinB at February 11, 2009 10:10 PM

U.S. Satellite Destroyed in Space Collision

http://www.space.com/news/090211-satellite-collision.html

It's getting crowded up there. In a hundred years we won't be able to risk sending men into orbit with all the junk flying by at 20 000 mph.

Posted by: maple stump at February 11, 2009 10:33 PM

Wow. Thanks, EBD. Not much music makes me cry, sir.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 11, 2009 10:34 PM

I just threw up in my mouth after reading about the world's youngest post-op transsexual patient.

Thankfully, the operation was medically approved, so there can be absolutely no questions regarding the ethics of the procedure and the age of the recipient, or even of child abuse. Another particularly heartwarming tidbit is the age at which (s)he began hormone treatment... twelve.

Good news is, however, a pop-record deal may be in the works!!

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Posted by: mhb at February 11, 2009 10:49 PM


CBC, scratch a lefty find a racists.

In all, the SCO identified 25 comments on the CBC site dating back to April 2008 they deemed to be hateful.

Grand Chief Morris Swan Shannacappo called on the Manitoba government to launch an investigation into CBC and said “charges should be laid.”

Acting Attorney-General Steven Ashton called the posts “racist and offensive,” but said the claims lie outside provincial jurisdiction.

He advised the chiefs to take their case to the RCMP and the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

Posted by: Glenn at February 11, 2009 11:28 PM


CBC, scratch a lefty find a racists.

In all, the SCO identified 25 comments on the CBC site dating back to April 2008 they deemed to be hateful.

Grand Chief Morris Swan Shannacappo called on the Manitoba government to launch an investigation into CBC and said “charges should be laid.”

Acting Attorney-General Steven Ashton called the posts “racist and offensive,” but said the claims lie outside provincial jurisdiction.

He advised the chiefs to take their case to the RCMP and the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

Posted by: Glenn at February 11, 2009 11:29 PM

Both stirring, but I do especially love Joe Henry's haunting vocals in 'God Only Knows'.

Heard it first on TCM in their annual 'Remembers' clips. Caught my attention immediately.

Posted by: Jan at February 11, 2009 11:32 PM

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx?RelNum=5409

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

further down...

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."


Wow, absolutely incredible. Before anyone thinks that this is a hit piece, look at the date at the top:


Meg Sullivan 8/10/2004 12:23:12 PM

Posted by: allan at February 11, 2009 11:40 PM

Thank you EBD, for that cherished memory. I heard this,Down Under and forgot who it was and could not find out.
I am delighted to be reacquainted with the memory and information.

Posted by: Bec at February 11, 2009 11:48 PM

City to outlaw opening of car doors

http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/latest/437874

Posted by: Shayne at February 12, 2009 12:28 AM

Don't be retarded, Shayne.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 12, 2009 12:36 AM

City outlaws stupidity, Democrats in disarray.
* The Onion.

Posted by: marc in calgary at February 12, 2009 1:09 AM

If we outlawed stupidity, we would
all be in jail, at one time or another.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 12, 2009 1:13 AM

allan - I posted this before, sorry for those who have seen this already - a great analysis of how the policies of FDR made a recession a depression

http://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf

It is a bit biased perhaps, but a lot rings true. It seems that there were a lot of things made up as people went along - and that didn't always turn out well. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at February 12, 2009 1:54 AM

Here is a list of a few little things that Michael Ignatieff missed out on while he was gone from Canada for 27 years.

Posted by: Ardvark at February 12, 2009 2:50 AM

This little Iggy was free market,

This little Iggy was p.c.,

This little iggy went oui, oui, oui,

We should put Harper on parole.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at February 12, 2009 4:30 AM

India is being flooded with counterfeit currency. According to this India Today article, the scale makes it a national security issue, and the perpetrators are Pakistan's ISI.

India Today: Fake currency: The new threat

Posted by: Simone BC at February 12, 2009 5:46 AM


Did anyone else hear that some of the States are in the process of declaring their sovereignty and other are pondering this move. Maybe someone can explain this and give which statute this falls under.
thanks........

Posted by: dolly at February 12, 2009 6:46 AM

dolly, here's more info:

http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/9-states-declare-sovereignty

Posted by: pete at February 12, 2009 7:21 AM


Thanks Pete, but that address doesn't seem to be working for me. I am glad you heard about this because I thought - maybe - I was hearing things.

Posted by: dolly at February 12, 2009 8:28 AM


Found it under - "Lawmakers in 20 states move to reclaim sovereignty."

So far, 8 states have done it. It's under the Ninth and Tenth Amendment.

Can't believe Michigan is one of them.

thanks again Pete.

Posted by: dolly at February 12, 2009 8:38 AM

Islam: dhimmitude and "honour killings".
...-

"Prince Harry to receive diversity training

British media are reporting that Prince Harry is being sent on an "equality and diversity" course after making racist remarks." (canoe)
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"Family refuses memorial for slain teen
By JOE WARMINGTON

TORONTO -- "How could they let her rot in an unmarked grave?"

"Aqsa Parvez has been gone 14 months and still, according to the frozen ground in Lot 17 of Brampton's Meadowvale Cemetery, she's nothing more than No. 774."
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/02/12/8362706-sun.html

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 8:39 AM

Say No to Red Orympics.
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"Everyone in Vancouver must buy in to Olympics
Canada.com"

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 8:46 AM

"The British Authorities Surrendering to Extremism

The British government is currently preparing to accept Guantanamo Bay detainees from the US authorities. It has consistently failed to deport known terrorists and promoters of jihad against the West, and against Britain. And Britain’s intelligence service has identified 2,000 terrorist suspects inside the country. However, such men apparently pose a far lower security risk than that of the cultured, mild-mannered, coiffed, Dutch politician Geert Wilders, who has been informed that he will likely be refused entry to the UK should he try.

A letter signed Irving N. Jones, on behalf of the Secretary of State for the Home Department, declares that the Dutch politician’s “[…] presence in the UK would pose a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat to one of the fundamental interests of society.” It is of course what Jones calls Wilders’ “statements about Muslims and their beliefs” in Fitna and elsewhere that has the authorities so afraid that they have barred Wilders from entering the country.

As we are no doubt aware, Wilders does not attack Muslims, but rightly attacks the ideology of jihad, that is on the rise around the world, and that fuels terrorism, so-called “honor killing” and “honor violence,” ritual beheading, and other acts of barbarity. And it is clear from Jones’ letter that the government also fears Muslims will act out in such a way as to “threaten community harmony and therefore public security” (i.e., violently), because Wilders has criticized, and, yes, condemned, some “beliefs.”"
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3795

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 8:59 AM

"Michael Ignatieff, Borys Wrzesnewskyj, Russian neo-imperialism, and Ukrainian nationalism

Sometimes people try to derive some humour from Liberal Party leader Michael Ignatieff's Russian heritage. It is rather special -- most Canadians of Russian descent can't count Russian nobility in their family tree, while Michael Ignatieff can boast a grandfather, Count Pavel Ignatieff.

But besides an accident of birth, Michael Ignatieff has another, more interesting link, with Mother Russia. That would be a shared attitude with Russia's modern czar, Vladimir Putin, concerning the true nationhood of the Ukraine."
http://stevejanke.com/archives/282759.php
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Comments:
"Bocanut
I think it's Count Igcatoff's version of payback for the hard time us Ukes gave him at his nomination fiasco.
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mozuz/ukrnews/U...

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 9:04 AM

O mokes Nick Teen; but, they say not in/on the White House.

To know O cusses/swears is downright offensive and shows a complete lack of sensitivity, especially to a diversity of equality and tolerance.
Hope O uses a cig holder; FDR used a cig holder.
Willy had a cigar holder.
It's only fair.
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"Barack Obama needs a ******* swearbox

Sasha and Malia Obama might suddenly find they can get away with the odd swear word.

Turns out their dad has run through pretty much every one in the book. When Obama recorded his Grammy-winning version of Dreams of My Father, he read the colourful lines of his friend Ray.

You can listen to the hilarious recordings here. A club remix is surely only days away.

(Warning: Following the link does lead you to offensive language, albeit from the mouth of the Commander-in-Chief.)"
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2009/02/barack-obama.html

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 9:26 AM

From the "more pavilions at folkfest" file.
Family refuses memorial for slain teen - http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/02/12/8362706-sun.html

Posted by: DougInPA at February 12, 2009 9:40 AM

"Marx spent most of the time in the Reading Room of the British Museum, ..."
Karl, not Groucho Marx.
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"Banned From Britain, Dutch Lawmaker Denied Entry at Heathrow

Upon Geert Wilders' arrival at Heathrow Airport, he was presented with a letter from Britain's Home Office saying that his opinions "threatenen community security." The right-wing lawmaker had been invited by a member of Parliament to show his anti-Islam movie "Fitna," which calls the Koran a "fascist" book and accuses Islam of being a violent religion."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491505,00.html

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 11:35 AM

Ivison hits the nail on the head:

"Opinion polls claim that Mr. Ignatieff is now the most popular national leader in the country but the reason for this is not clear. His only significant act to date has been to wave through the Conservative budget, effectively neutering his party for the next year."

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=ae750199-c625-43f5-b4a1-7b3a65d87b30

Posted by: jcl at February 12, 2009 11:50 AM


"defying economists' expectations"

Economists for sale: Cheap.
Sorry, no refunds, no returns.
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"Commerce Department Says Retail Sales Unexpectedly Rebounded in January (1%)

U.S. retail sales jumped 1 percent in January, reversing a six-month declining trend and defying economists' expectations by posting the biggest increase in 14 months. by posting the biggest increase in 14 months."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2184046/posts

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 11:53 AM

"Tipping point reached: UK Met Office makes blistering attack on those who make ‘Apocalyptic climate predictions’
12 02 2009

The First Big Cracks Appear in the Wall

During the past few weeks, there have been several warnings of apocalypse from noted scientists. Dr. Hansen warned in The Guardian that President Obama has “four years to save the planet.” James McCarthy, head of the American Association for The Advancement of Science (AAAS) made a similar statement. Nobel Prize winning scientist Al Gore is going to take it a step further at next week’s AAAS meeting. Steven Chu, President Obama’s Secretary of Energy, warned that California will no longer be able to support agriculture or cities due to drought caused by global warming.

Then something remarkable happened.

Today’s Guardian has a lead story unlike anything we have seen before.

‘Apocalyptic climate predictions’ mislead the public, say experts’"
urlm.in/bqod (wattsup)

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 12:02 PM

Another Khadr poll going horribly wrong. This one at the chroniclly horrid....... errr Chronicle Herald.

Posted by: AtlanticJim at February 12, 2009 12:07 PM

My own stupidity just reminded me that I made a wrong attribution on a previous thread several days ago.

"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't stupidity get us out?" - Will Rogers.

Not Mark Twain as I said earlier.

The public flogging will held at noon.

Posted by: rockyt at February 12, 2009 12:08 PM

Free speech, as an issue, is easily plowed under by digressive tactics. Those who blithely demand that others are not entitled to say (X) often insist that their proscription has nothing to do with free speech. It's about something else, so the story goes -- it's about where their opponents are saying it, how they're saying it, the possible effects on others further down the road of them saying it, and so on. The most disturbingly effective proponents of the "free speech for me but not for thee" view not only make the case that the opposing view must be silenced because it's wrong, but also that, in light of the opposing view being wrong, the banning of its expression has absolutely nothing to do with any right to free speech.

Edward Keenan of eyeweekly.com writes:

"Take Gilary Massa, a student politician at York University, who last week rationalized her schools ban on anti-abortion (or 'pro-life,' or 'anti-choice,' depending on the flavour of your ideology) groups meeting on their campus by telling newspapers it was not a free speech issue. 'No, this is an issue of women's rights,' she says. 'You have to recognize that a woman has a choice over her own body. We think that...'" etc.

Keenan, (who, incidentally, is pro-choice) hits the issue square on the head: "Even if you do not believe in free speech, you must acknowledge that it is the subject under discussion. Is someone free to speak that opinion or not?" (emph. mine)

http://www.eyeweekly.com/features/article/51938

via steynonline.com

Posted by: EBD at February 12, 2009 12:35 PM

If you only catch one of Rush Limbaugh's inspiring tirades this year...this is the one to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8jpN4DPkLE

Posted by: bryceman at February 12, 2009 12:47 PM

Apostles of the Separatist Coalition coalesce/banded/branded with its message of leftist appeasement of Islamist murder.
CBC trumpets its message.
Down with CBC and leftist Islamist appeasement.
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"Omar Khadr's return in country's best interest, say opposition MPs
Liberal MP Bob Rae, centre, Bloc MP Paul Crête, left, and NDP MP Paul Dewar banded together at a news conference on Parliament Hill on Wednesday to push the Harper government to deal with the case of Omar Khadr." (cbc)

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 12:48 PM

Yigal Liverant, The Prophet of the New Russian Empire

A gifted and charismatic intellectual, [Aleksandr] Dugin is the author of sixteen books on philosophy and politics that profess an extremist worldview which combines authoritarian politics with an imperialist strategic agenda and a nostalgic longing for the glory days of the Soviet Union. Inspired by philosophers closely associated with fascism and Nazism, Dugin is an outspoken critic of capitalism, liberal democracy, and the bourgeois social order, which he identifies with his archenemy, the United States. Despite his radicalism—or perhaps because of it—Dugin is a favorite of the Russian establishment, a sought-after figure in the media, and a popular and oft-quoted political analyst...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 12, 2009 1:20 PM

Roger Scruton, Islam and the West: Lines of Demarcation

The West today is involved in a protracted and violent struggle with the forces of radical Islam. This conflict is intensely difficult, both because of our enemy’s dedication to his cause, and also, perhaps most of all, because of the enormous cultural shift that has occurred in Europe and America since the end of the Vietnam War. Put simply, the citizens of Western states have lost their appetite for foreign wars; they have lost the hope of scoring any but temporary victories; and they have lost confidence in their way of life. Indeed, they are no longer sure what that way of life requires of them...

Posted by: Charles MacDonald at February 12, 2009 1:36 PM

EBD - if you are trying to bring up the U of Calgary issue, I again maintain that that situation wasn't about freedom of speech- absolutely nothing to do with free speech, but about the university's duty to protect students against violence.

As for 'where', 'how' and 'effects' of free speech, these ARE issues that affect freedom of speech. And they can't be denigrated or set up as straw men as you are attempting.

Do I have the right to put up a display on, oh, let's say, the value of organic foods, in the middle of a mall, of a shop, even of a university? No, I don't.

Do I have the right to use a bullhorn and podium and graphic images to show abortions or floating polar bears or..in the train station or a kindergarten? No, I don't.
Do I have the right to preach in favour of 'whites-only' cities in this same train station? No, I don't.

Do I have the right to exhort people to violence? No, I don't.

So, free speech comes with responsibilities and attention to 'where', 'how' and 'effects'. As for the illogical and ignorant claim of Ms Massa rejecting anti-abortion displays on campus - she's wrong.

Of course the issue is about freedom of speech and has zilch to do with 'women's rights'. Itis not an inherent or fundamental right for a woman to have an abortion; it is a societal decision to allow or not allow them. Therefore, it is false to claim that abortions are 'the right of women'.

Since I'm against abortion, my counter claim is that my rejection is based on a fundamental human right, the right to live, and part of the temporal phase of 'being alive' is the gestation period.

Freedom of speech means the right to dissent from the normative belief. But, attention has to be paid to 'when', where, how, and effects.

Posted by: ET at February 12, 2009 2:01 PM

Minister Prentice pushes/promotes Mao Stlong's Red-Green scam?
No to Red-Green's Stealth taxation/hammer/sickle.
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"Ottawa waiting to see US green plan
Toronto Star - 2 hours ago
OTTAWA - Canada is waiting for Washington to state its plan for cutting greenhouse gas emissions and weighing the effects of the economic downturn before it issues regulations to force industry to cut its pollution, Environment Minister Jim Prentice"
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Britain:

"Millions face 'stealth tax' on heating bills to subsidise green energy

Millions of families face yet another hike in heating bills to pay for a massive expansion of green energy.

Ministers say that the money raised will subsidise solar panels, wind turbines and wood-burning boilers for hundreds of thousands of homes.

But critics warn that the levy is an 'insidious' stealth tax that will hammer households at a time of rising unemployment, falling incomes and economic uncertainty."
urlm.in/bqoi

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 2:47 PM

"Omar khadr's return in Country's best interest-say opposition MPs"
maz2 12:48

thanks Maz for that one, I thought i had heard it all from the Looney Left Mps, but that takes the cake. In the country's best interest!! OMG What in the Sam H** have the Khadr's ever contributed to Canada other then Being a Pain in the Royal A**. I have Yet to see a Poll that says he should be sent home.

Posted by: bryanr at February 12, 2009 4:48 PM

"Harper unveils Olympic flag in Ottawa
Former gold medallists and mascots joined Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Parliament Hill on Thursday to unveil the Olympic flag marking the one-year countdown to the 2010 Winter Games."
(nnw)

"Olympic archer facing child porn charges
The coach of the 2008 Canadian Olympic archery team says a 20-year-old team member has been charged with child pornography offences."
(nnw)

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 4:56 PM

ET, you asked if I was "trying to bring up the U of Calgary issue" and immediately proceeded to lecture me under the assumption that I was doing just that. Here's a tip: you should always assume that if it's my intention to bring something up, I will have brought it up by the time you think to ask. I'll return the favour. If you write a comment about, say, drunk driving, I won't ask rhetorically if you're trying to bring up Israel and then proceed, before your response, to dissect and reassemble your statements under the assumption that you are talking about Israel.

Moving on, you wrote "As for 'where', how' and 'effects' of free speech, these ARE issues that affect freedom of speech. And they can't be denigrated or set up as straw men as you are attempting."

I did *not* say that free speech isn't/shouldn't be affected by "where," "how," or considered in terms of its "effects." Perhaps before you accuse me of setting up straw men you should stop setting up giant flaming log avatars dedicated your own didactic tone. Perhaps that's asking too much. Let me put it this way: if I simply point out, in the course of making no further case than whatever it is I actually say, that those who oppose free speech frequently abuse these three principles, as in --

"No, you can't say that there. Or here. And not in that way. Because it could have this effect..,"

-- it simply does not follow that I am saying that anyone must be allowed, at any time, to grab a bullhorn and barge onto stage at a chamber music concert and scream for the annihilation of the Belgians.


The three conditions -- which, thanks to your teaching skills, we both now understand are obviously real-world limitations that prohibit hypothetical-level, purely unfettered free speech -- are also used as digressive tactical weapons by the "speech for me, not for you" crowd.

Take the "where," for example, in the context of the ridiculous bureau-persecution of Mark Steyn and Macleans: those who brought and encouraged the action against Macleans made frequent reference to the fact that it was a -- gasp -- successful magazine with a large circulation. The point was "sure, you're allowed to have certain opinions, but you shouldn't be able to publish them with impunity in a successful magazine; after all, millions of people read that magazine." The claim was that free speech wasn't under attack; the issue to them was that there has to be a reasonable limit as to where such speech is allowed to occur.

"How": Mark Steyn or Ezra Levant are too provocative; the problem, some claim, is in "how" they say it. ET, you say "how" matters, and I agree (Bullhorn, Schubert), but when certain groups of people complain about "how" something is said, they are actually talking about *what* is being said.

Similarly, while you and I agree that "where" (see "Schubert, Bullhorn") is an issue, I'm sure you can see that the sphere of limitations -- "oh, not on-air/in a magazine/in a public place/in a public building/on private property/on city property/in a quiet park/ on the street" can easily reach an extent that is anathema to the very idea of free speech. Even if each particular proscription can be reasonably argued on it's own merit, the general condition might have none, in terms of free-speech. In the most oppressive societies extant, people are free to speak in their own homes, or to themselves in the bathroom; the only real measure of free speech is public free speech.

The matter of "where," is "an "issue that affects freedom of speech." But in the same way -- d'ya ever notice? -- that some people use the word "listen" when they actually mean "obey," or say "look.." when they mean "stop looking at it, you're starting to p*** me off", the reasonable-sounding terms "where", "how" and "effects" are ripe for all sorts of unreason. It's all well and good to defend the idea that there are limits on "where" speech exists, for example. But if the majority of those making that argument aren't talking about (Schubert, Bullhorn) but are simply using the "where"-limit argument as a handy excuse to stomp out reasoned ideas they don't approve of, it becomes more reasonable to respond with "Where? Wherever the **** I want, Be-a***."

I sort of lean in that direction myself, in the current climate.

Posted by: EBD at February 12, 2009 6:22 PM

I just recieved this from the liberal party. I really don't know what to make of it.------------ Dear

While we look forward to spring, Valentine’s Day is almost here to help us fend off winter’s chill. If you are still looking for the right gift for your Valentine, I have a cozy red suggestion:

Make a donation of $100 or more by midnight on Saturday, February 14th, and you will receive a limited-edition red fleece scarf, embroidered with the name of my favourite Liberal Valentine, to help keep you or a loved one warm until spring arrives.

Winter may be with us a while yet. Let’s weather it together.

Warm regards and hope to see you in Vancouver,

Zsuzsanna Zsohar

For a mere $100,you can get a scarf with Iggy's name on it. If I gave that to my babe as a valentine's present I can almost guarantee that things would get very hot,but not in a good way.

Posted by: wallyj at February 12, 2009 6:25 PM

lieberals giving out "red fleece" how appropriate.

Posted by: cal2 at February 12, 2009 8:05 PM

Chucker points the way to the Red-Green Show*.

Told ya it was Red-Green: a melange of socialism, communism, environmentalism & Dionkyism, & MoonBattery, etc.

Ya gotta listen mo' to Boob Lae's Yncle Mao Stlong.
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"More Green Lessons from Communism

Thanks, Jason Bo Green, for tipping us off to this:

6 Green Lessons from Communism. I know this will shock many of you, but some folks like to use "climate change" to sneak in odes to communism. Well, this Brooklyn buddy forgot a whole whack of ways in which communism works greener than satanic capitalism. Here are five:

1. Publication banning
You can't save the planet and let everybody going off printing whatever they want. If the government banned materials and controlled electronic and paper printing, we could avoid climate change disasters.

2. Travel banning
You want to leave town? Apply for a travel permit. No permit? No go. If we can make travel burdensome and carry the threat of emprisonment or death, we will reduce greenhouse gas emissions hugely." >>>
http://chuckercanuck.blogspot.com/
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*http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/02/6-green-lessons-communism.php

Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 8:26 PM

Island disappeared "fueling rumors of a CIA plot." A CIA plot?

Wrong. The seas are rising. The AGWGoreacles of the Convergence Party (socialist) say so/si.
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"Missing Mexican island fuels mystery

Lawmakers in Mexico are trying to determine the whereabouts of island central to the country's oil claims, which appears literally to have dropped off the map about 10 years ago.

Bermeja island in the Gulf of Mexico -- a strategic marker defining US and Mexican maritime and sub sea rights -- has disappeared along with documents backing up a bilateral treaty on major oil reserves in the area, fueling rumors of a CIA plot.

"There are two stories about how it disappeared: one is that global warming raised the sea level and it is under water," said Mexican lawmaker Elias Cardenas, of the Convergence Party.

"The other is that ... it was blown up by the CIA so that the United States would get the upper hand in Hoyos de Dona" -- the oil reserves area."
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Posted by: maz2 at February 12, 2009 9:16 PM

Never thought that I would applaud to an article in The Star: http://www.thestar.com/article/584523

This is about recycling that smells fishy for many years now. First, Peel region tells us that 'they will sort the gray and blue bins from now on' and we are supposed to believe that it's more tax efficient. Yeah, right! Now from two independent sources I hear that our recyclables go to China via truck, train and ship. Yeah, RIGHT!

Posted by: Aaron at February 12, 2009 9:33 PM

Crackdown on whitey bigamy in TO - Muslim bigamy still A-OK
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Oliver John Killeen, 71, was charged by Toronto Police with bigamy today.

Police allege Killeen married a number of women in Ontario and other parts of the world.

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/02/12/8371316.html

Posted by: OttRob at February 12, 2009 10:18 PM

Re: "Democrat Insider Says Obama Has Secret Plan to Eliminate The Two Party System" [through massive patronage spending]

A system where one party throws roadblocks in the way of other parties' electoral participation is not a democracy. But neither is a system where two parties conspire to do the same thing. The Democrats and Republicans have both been doing it for decades; see www.ballot-access.org for details. The American "two-party system" is not the same thing as a democracy. Not that our system is much different ...

Re: "Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt ... Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason"

Didn't Murray Rothbard or Ludwig von Mises or someone figure that Roosevelt and/or the Federal Reserve were to blame, pretty much as it happened?

Re: "Free speech, as an issue, is easily plowed under by digressive tactics. Those who blithely demand that others are not entitled to say (X) often insist that their proscription has nothing to do with free speech. It's about something else, so the story goes -- it's about where their opponents are saying it, how they're saying it, the possible effects on others further down the road of them saying it, and so on."

This is a standard tactic to destroy genuine individual rights. For example, banning cigarette ads "is not a free speech issue, it's a public health issue". Etc.

Posted by: nv53 at February 13, 2009 2:42 AM

nv53 - re FDR and the Fed

Yes

The problems:

1. Decreased money supply
2. Smoot-Hawley tariff act
3. Excessive taxation
4. Wasteful interventionist government spending
5. Others

The problem with increasing the money supply for the US now is, well, would it be a good investment to go all in for that country? What do they make, and export? Their wealth is a result of excessive borrowing and spending more than they make. Sad, but looking pretty bleak right now, and that will hurt Canadians.

Posted by: Erik Larsen at February 13, 2009 8:47 PM
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