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February 10, 2009

Smackdown

Posted by Kate at February 10, 2009 12:07 AM
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Yeah, you know, I just finished watching all six parts of this, since Matt mentioned it in Reader Tips about an hour ago, and I have to say, that Mr. Levant guy is sure admirable.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 9, 2009 11:54 PM

I'm terribly sorry, that was rather rude of me, here are the six parts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NQqjNkW21M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C280ZFHOUW0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7etKDh_kkXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oEsBFQZ2s4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAdNC815a8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGlNEcr9GFM

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 9, 2009 11:58 PM

while I agree she had it coming, ezra probably should have been more careful with the words and phrases he used. Getting into the muckraking with this dogmatist - and a libelous one at that -hurts his argument somewhat.

Having stated that, Ezra has been living in a pretty charged evironment lately, and it is understandable that he would go 'off' when he was attacked the way he was.

(this coren guy seems to run a pretty good shop- I shall have to Check him out some more.)

Posted by: Gord Tulk at February 10, 2009 12:03 AM

I've seen Andrea smirk too many times on the Coren show, and I've wanted to throw things at her for her pompous attitude.

Thank you Ezra! That felt good!

Posted by: bluetech at February 10, 2009 12:05 AM

I think you miss the point, Gord.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 10, 2009 12:07 AM

She's a condescending dingbat. If people like her get their way, it won't be long until we're all bowing to the east and being told to make a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at February 10, 2009 12:09 AM

Ok, I just got the videos mixed up, I'm sorry, mea culpa.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 10, 2009 12:15 AM

Does the guy in the purple shirt say "This was awful!" at the end?

Ha!..He must be used to PCTV.

Posted by: bluetech at February 10, 2009 12:22 AM

Wasn't CBC's Ingram - Quirks and Quarks ??

Posted by: ron in kelowna at February 10, 2009 12:24 AM

The grey-haired guy you saw once in the studio full-frame shot was just as bad as Andrea. I almost wish I had a subscription to the Shamilton Spectator just so I could cancel it, citing him as the cause.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 10, 2009 12:36 AM

It's a telling moment, when Mr. Coran must repeatedly bring Andrea back to the subject matter at hand...

I notice that after Mr. Levant briefly goes "off track" with his statement of "what a clown" he jumps back into it... explaining his reasons for publishing the cartoons... oh yeah, they were CARTOONS, and it was newsworthy because people were rioting over them. uff.

Mr. Coran's show seems to be an interesting piece of work.

Posted by: marc in calgary at February 10, 2009 12:40 AM

He didn't go off track, Marc. Ezra
was, indeed, illustrating his thesis.

Posted by: Vitruvius at February 10, 2009 12:56 AM

*cough* OUCH!

Posted by: Joel Schroeder at February 10, 2009 12:56 AM

He put her in wheelchair, and put her wheelchair in a wheelchair.

Posted by: Babylonian at February 10, 2009 1:58 AM

She thought she won. Hopeless.

Posted by: Jeff K at February 10, 2009 2:02 AM

Does anyone know - is the Coren show a show that can be viewed somewhere on television? I've never seen it on my cable listings.

One wonders if she would have protested if Ezra showed drawings of "a cross in piss". Likely not.

Posted by: Faramir at February 10, 2009 2:02 AM

Effective use of the leash on the 'activist' by Moonbat Whisperer, Michael Coren.
Does one go to university or take on line courses, perhaps Video Professor,or is Activist an International Correspondence School match book cover course?

Posted by: JLK_AB at February 10, 2009 2:04 AM

Faramir: The Coren Show is on Star Choice channel 355 at 6 PM weekdays.

Posted by: Len Pryor at February 10, 2009 2:13 AM

In net speak, Ezra pwnd that stupid b1tch. God bless you Ezra.

Posted by: Colin from Mission B.C. at February 10, 2009 2:36 AM

Roadkill.

Posted by: richfisher at February 10, 2009 2:42 AM

More vids from the show:

They start off discussing Lowell Green:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzpE652TGjA

And then Andrea Calver displays her aching stupidity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LwtiK5G020

Not to be outdone, John Mahoney shows that he too is a dope.


Remember: Bush is a moron. These are the sort of people who say so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRPPgRWUAKk

Posted by: Mississauga Matt at February 10, 2009 5:43 AM

No, Andrea, feminist "activist" (a moniker almost as meaningless as "community organizer"), has not objected to the "Piss Christ" that so offends Christians, I guess because she'd consider Christians "an historically privileged" group. That's Charter-speak for groups our new enlightened classes have deemed need to be marginalized because they don't fit into their new Utopia.

The Andreas of the world blithely and frequently use words like "villify" expressly to marginalize individuals like Ezra. In most cases, their injudicious use of words goes unchallenged. So, this smackdown was justified and so satisfying.

Unfortunately, Andrea's friends will cheer her on for taking on that nasty Ezra Levant and she will have learned nothing from this exchange. The fact that she thinks Ezra was "aggressive" against Muslims by publishing the cartoons that were causing carnage and mayhem around the world, rather than noting the aggressiveness of the Islamofascists who were marauding, murdering, and incinerating tells us volumes about the appalling disconnect in her thinking. Her priorities are all wrong, but don't try to tell her: She's in the vanguard, or so she thinks.

Well, we'll know who to blame when we're all wearing burkas: the stupid, willfully ignorant Andreas of the world.

Posted by: batb at February 10, 2009 6:28 AM

What a loser she is. I find it hard to believe a so called Canadian feminist is defending a religious cult that still believe females provoke their own rapes. How twisted the left are.

Posted by: Honey Pot at February 10, 2009 6:45 AM

We started watching Coren Live last night, but, not knowing Ezra would be back, and finding Andrea her usual INSUFFERABLE, totally unintelligent self, we switched off quite early on. Seeing Ezra push back this morning was sweet.

I don't know why Coren continues to give this self-important dimwit a bully pulpit. IMO, it demeans his show. And, if Andrea is on, providing her usual mean-spirited, ignorant drivel, we switch off.

Ezra’s made our day. Andrea got just what she deserved. This reminds me of a French aphorism: “What a naughty dog. He bites. Yes, after he’s been kicked.” Andrea is the offensive one: altogether self-important and niggardly about anyone or any idea that doesn’t fit her stunted, closed, feminazi mind. It was a pleasure to see someone really take her on and to see her try to sputter and squeak her way out.

(At least if she ends up in a burqa, we won't have to look at her pinched and smirky face.)

Posted by: lookout at February 10, 2009 7:00 AM

I found this intelligent blog entry via Google. The blog is called Russ Campbell’s Blog.

“Andrea Calver makes ass of herself on Michael Coren Show

“Last night on the Michael Coren Show on CTS Television, self-styled ‘activist’ Andrea Calver made a total ass of herself when she accused fellow panelist—Conservative writer and former publisher of the Canadian magazine the Western Standard—Ezra Levant of the ‘vilification of Muslims.’

“This remark was appalling, especially since Ms. Calver was unable to back-up her slur . . .

“The content of Coren’s TV show has been slipping badly for some time now. We still get debate from across the political spectrum—and that’s nice to see, but the quality of the panelists is so poor at times, the debates can be banal, to say the least. Seldom are the panelists anything but spokespersons for their left- or right-wing causes. Open debate by people with closed minds is not entertaining.

“Regular panelists Andrea Calver and Marilyn Churley [NDP] are among the weakest the show has to offer. What it is that ‘qualifies’ these two to offer opinions on a wide variety of news stories is a mystery . . .

“I thought Coren was ineffectual in his hosting duties as he let Calver ‘get away’ with not justifying her unsavory and inaccurate portrayal of Mr. Levant’s decision to reprint the Danish cartoons. On a previous show, when a regular panelist insulted NDP leader Jack Layton, Coren was quick to make a fuss over it and demand an apology before he would allow the show to continue. To be sure, last night Coren did challenge Ms. Calver and gave Mr. Levant the opportunity to defend himself, but Coren did little to censure the uncalled-for personal attack. Here’s a clip from the show, you can decide for yourselves . . .”

Well said, Mr. Campbell!

Posted by: lookout at February 10, 2009 7:18 AM

Andrea is the embodiment of the obtuseness of the Leftist doctrine. Her ilk are the enemies of our freedoms and democratic rights. The HRC'c belong in that category as well.

Posted by: Liz J at February 10, 2009 7:31 AM

Outstanding! That's why I donated to Ezra's legal fund.

Posted by: pongo at February 10, 2009 7:33 AM

Faramir @ Feb10 2:02

The show is on the CTS channel and in rural Ottawa I receive it (by grabbing the signal out of the air for free with a bunny ear antenna) on UHF Channel 32.

Posted by: CanadianKate at February 10, 2009 7:37 AM

“Regular panelists Andrea Calver and Marilyn Churley [NDP] are among the weakest the show has to offer. What it is that ‘qualifies’ these two to offer opinions on a wide variety of news stories is a mystery . . ."

I watch this show quite often because a lot of the time there is great debate and both sides put forward good arguments. I enjoy listening to people I don't agree with if they put forward interesting points. BUT...I cannot watch the show when one of these 2 women is on as they just seem so stupid and they never bring anything to the conversation except the same old NDP talking points. I especially despise that guy from the Hamilton Spectator. I live in Hamilton now and there is so much the Spectator could write about that they choose to just ignore. I hope Coren changes his panel members soon. I'd hate to see it go off the air but I just can't watch these people.

Posted by: gord at February 10, 2009 8:04 AM

My Canadian niece did a school project on the Greatest Canadian, David Suzuki.

I asked her, What about Ezra Levant? She said, Who's he?

Posted by: KPD at February 10, 2009 8:21 AM

I was actually encouraged by this, hear me out. Ms Calver was clinging to the belief, a wrong one, that they were defenders of womens rights yada yada. She was defensive about the idea that they had failed or abandoned the position.

The encouragement is, that at some point she will recognize they aren't, although she apparently earnestly wants to be. So maybe, just maybe the pricipled ones will recognize that their beliefs arent supported by their actions and they'll change their actions. It is a slow process but we all know former Liberals, who have the epiphany that they are no longer fighting for what they believe in and that those beliefs are being defended by others, who they formerly opposed.

Ahh ok it was just a dream.

Posted by: Stephen at February 10, 2009 8:44 AM

For those with Express Vu,Coren on Ch.651 at 7:00 pm,Man time..it is replayed next morn at 11:00

Posted by: Sammy at February 10, 2009 8:54 AM

Have to love drive-by slurs. Calver slams Ezra for "vilifying" muslims and it typical deep sludge fashion, can't back it up. Publishing cartoons to highlight the topic of your story is not defamatory whatsoever. Perhaps the likes of Calver would like to censor the media if it doesn't fall into her parameters. People like her are extremely dangerous.

Posted by: Ownshook at February 10, 2009 9:01 AM

I want to know where the likes of Andrea,etc,will be hiding out when the muzzies start handing out the "wear the burka or die" options???

Posted by: Justthinkin at February 10, 2009 9:20 AM

The "clowns" who charged Ezra in the first place gave us the best spokesman for Human Rights and Freedom of Speech Canada ever had. Ezra's voice is being heard and they've gone back into their holes.

Coren likes to give voice to the Left. He has Sid Ryan, Marilyn Churley and this Andrea dame as regulars.
It could be for balance, exposure or aggravation, probably all three.

Posted by: Liz J at February 10, 2009 9:38 AM

Andrea Calver accused Ezra of 'vilifying Muslims' and seemed stunned when both Ezra and Michael Coren insisted that she provide proof of her assertion. She babbled up with one example, his publication of the Denmark Cartoons.

But those cartoons weren't vilifying Muslims! First, they were a 'newsworthy item' because they were being used, along with extra images put in by radical imams, to cause government-induced riots in the ME.

And, those cartoons were a legitimate critique of Islamic fascism, which sees Islam used as a front for terrorism.

Ms Calver, of course, has no understanding of these two points and falls into the typical leftist relativism and circular justificiation that 'what another culture does, be it terrorism or child marriage, is perfectly acceptable because it's their culture'. Cultures live in isolate cocoons.

Oh, and blames 'the West' or whatever, for any 'bad behaviour' that seeps out of the folds of the cocoon into our daily lives.

Posted by: ET at February 10, 2009 9:42 AM

"Coren likes to give voice to the Left. He has Sid Ryan, Marilyn Churley and this Andrea dame as regulars.
It could be for balance, exposure or aggravation, probably all three"


two out of three are weaklings, makes for easy wins for the debate for the right. he should invite Boob Rae or Taliban Jack who although they have better street creds would debate in just the same fashion.

neither Taliban or Boob have been getting much airtime from the MSM, Iggy has the gag order out. and what ever happened to Borat Dion? back at home stroking Kyoto and planning his comeback.

Posted by: cal2 at February 10, 2009 9:51 AM

"I want to know where the likes of Andrea,etc,will be hiding out when the muzzies start handing out the "wear the burka or die" options"

The likes of Andrea will be blaming everyone but themselves - the police, the government etc.. Besides, being victims of Islam opens doors to new and increased funding opportunities. Maybe this is the feminist's warped way of planning for future business?

Posted by: lynnh at February 10, 2009 9:52 AM


The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Andrea assumes that if the mooslims hate the west, just like she does, then they must be simpatico.

Ezra is right. Andrea is a clown.

Posted by: billypaintbrush at February 10, 2009 10:00 AM

"I want to know where the likes of Andrea,etc,will be hiding out when the muzzies start handing out the "wear the burka or die" options???"

Justthinkin, trust me, Andrea and her ilk will submit in a heartbeat. They'll zip up those standard issue burqas and be syncophants for the next new utopian regime. She'll learn parts of the Koran and will parrot them with the same perdictable boring skill set she uses now.

Scratch the surface of a liberal feminist and you'll find a fascist at the core. They are as big a haters as dysfunctional Islamists.

Posted by: penny at February 10, 2009 10:02 AM

"I want to know where the likes of Andrea,etc,will be hiding out when the muzzies start handing out the "wear the burka or die" options???"

Yes, and I hope when that day comes, she is also given to a big hairy unibrowed guy with six wives. Will she still have that smug smile on her face then?

Posted by: Soccermom at February 10, 2009 10:07 AM

I wonder if leftists think about the world they are racing toward? I mean really think about it? I know that's a hard thing to ask of a lefty, to think.

I've watched Coren for quite a few years now on satellite. This andrea culver is really nothing more than a sack of hammers. No reality going on in her mind. None. She talks about rights then suports the people who would take them away from her. marilyn churley is no different.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to comment on this stuff. Two thirds of this country have drank the koolaid. You can't talk to them because they refuse to think outside the box. They won't listen. They put their hands over their ears and yell, la la la la I can't hear you. They're like spoiled children. Very frustrating.

I see two scenarios coming.

1- We become slaves. Drones. Those who are not killed first that is.

2-We fight back and I don't mean with words, and it better be soon or, see #1.

There, that's my 2 cents worth.

Posted by: A storm is coming at February 10, 2009 10:23 AM

Just remember Andrea next time you get an impulse to name-call or hurl false accusations about something you don't completely understand.

Ezra's defence was made possible by her over-the-top characterization.

He won on the basis of fact.

Posted by: set you free at February 10, 2009 10:24 AM

For those like Senator Romeo Dallaire and others on the bleeding heart Left whining to bring the Khadr spawn "home" to Canada, I suggest they read Christie Blatchford's column in the G&M today:
"Sanitizing an atrocity serves only the Taliban interests".

WARNING to those who are prone to nightmares or high blood pressure.

I'd like all the NDP caucus to read it and report back to us. They're the fools who want to make nice with the Taliban.

Posted by: Liz J at February 10, 2009 10:45 AM

She's so concerned about "Muslims" and the defense of their religion. Has she ever defended Christians?

I would think not. In fact, she has probably never hesitated to slam Christians.

Posted by: Soccermom at February 10, 2009 10:57 AM

Andrea failed to mention this:
In December, 2004, a report from former NDP attorney general Marion Boyd recommended the province allow and regulate Shariah arbitrations.
That' right NDP'er Marion Boyd.
It was rejected by McGuinty in Sept. 2005 after an uproar.

Posted by: Ghost of Ed at February 10, 2009 11:27 AM

Ghost of Ed, thanks for that.

Andrea should always be asked for chapter and verse to back up her wild claims: "Which feminists opposed sharia law? Name them. Where? When? Details." THAT would spook her because she can't answer such questions.

Like Obama, feminists are not used to being challenged. They just KNOW they're right.

Posted by: lookout at February 10, 2009 12:03 PM

lookout and ghost of ed - yes, you are right. It wasn't the feminists who opposed Sharia law; they were silent. It was Muslim women who grouped together and opposed it.

Posted by: ET at February 10, 2009 12:33 PM

But ET.How can feminists oppose the likes of sharia law,when it is what they want????(Please don't ask me why they want it)

Posted by: Justthinkin at February 10, 2009 12:52 PM

Good for Ezra.

And no, for those who feel he should tone it down... people have been saying such nonsense for years. "Write a calm and reasonable letter to your MP." LOL! Like that has worked for the last 40 some years! It has caused complete destruction to "the right" when they stay calm and reasonable while leftists and feminists screech and PC all opposition into the corner - including politicians, who DARE not oppose these people, as they think there is nobody out there who is furious enough to fight back against these charlatans.

Here's a news flash: We're comin', and we're NOT gonna be nice about it.

It's my country just as much as any one of these leftist-communist idiots.

Hitler took control by democratic means, remember? He used the tools of democracy to destroy democracy... just like leftists are doing.

Silence is consent.

Posted by: Rob at February 10, 2009 12:57 PM

I am sorry... I have been laughing for the past 15 minutes thinking about Babylonian's comment: 'He put her in a wheelchair, and put her wheelchair in a wheelchair.'

I am so going to look for the first opportunity to use that.

Posted by: Bob Crooks at February 10, 2009 1:00 PM

I asked the question on a G&M thread why it was all right to attack Christians in an open forum but not Muslim or Jewish people. This was the Sarah Palin era. I never read the responses, I rarely did but the next day they had a piece on the upsurge of Muslim and Jewish baiting I guess. I used to ask logical questions, was called every phobe one can think of and a lot spelled wrong too. Gave up after Dion was done and the G&M took on Iggy love. At that point it seemed non-rational to boost the site meter.

Posted by: Speedy at February 10, 2009 1:04 PM

Andrea is given a voice on a Christian station, a group she would be willing to nail to the wall. When she goes in for the taping, it would totally escape her that a group she would vilify at every opportunity, allows her the freedom to speak her 'mind'.
God Bless David Mainse, the founder of 100 Huntley St. and Crossroads Communication whose brainchild this was, as I wouldn't give her a minute of air time. I quit watching Michael Coren as too many of his guests precipitate a dangerous rise in the b.p. Just one example is the massively dense frequent guest Sid Ryan and a couple of females I would have drowned in a brown bag while they were still kittens.

Posted by: gellen at February 10, 2009 1:13 PM

Feminists don't oppose sharia law because they reject the idea of a universal humanity, and a university morality.

They are relativists and instead promote the idea of separate beliefs and behaviour according to a group 'consensus'. So, if your 'group' which is defined by ethnicity or religion, has a particular set of beliefs and behaviour, then the postmodern relativist considers that it is your 'human right' to live in such a manner. They consider such a choice, i.e, to live by a group set of behaviour/beliefs, a personal contract.

To consider that a universal morality exists is, to the relativist, a symptom of 'imperialism'.

Now, the FACT that this group's beliefs/behaviour might be profoundly regressive, unequal, unfair etc, according to our standards - is considered irrelevant to the postmodern feminist. They focus only on the WILL of the members of the group.

What they utterly ignore is that our own society at one time had similar values to, eg, unreformed Islamic beliefs. We changed because we felt that these beliefs/behaviours violated more basic, non-group, natural standards of equality and freedom.

Postmodern leftists reject and ignore these basic standards and instead, define them not as 'natural laws' but as 'imperialist agendas of the West'.

So, they support the isolation and regressive mindsets of pre-industrial groups because they consider change to our mode of life, an 'imperialist agenda'. Ah well.

Posted by: ET at February 10, 2009 1:19 PM

That woman states a charge against Ezra and all she has is the cartoons. I'm impressed she could even grasp at that to not make her point. I guess reporting the news, if it shows people in a poor light, is against their human rights. What about reporting murders? Is that going to be against the rights of the murderers?

As I recall, it wasn't the feminists who fought to keep Sharia Law out of Canada, it was Muslim women who fought to keep it out. Feminists haven't fought for the rights of Muslim women....to my knowledge....ever. .....crickets.

Posted by: Joanne at February 10, 2009 1:32 PM

Feminists don't oppose sharia law because they reject the idea of a universal humanity, and a university morality.

ET, their motives are a lot more cynical besides the liberal "universal humanity, and a university morality" mindframe. Feminists have little interest in the plight of Muslim women because they live in nuclear families and have a high birth rate and most likely aren't going to participate in the endorsed single mom life style nor rush into abortions on demand. The bottom line is that feminists aren't going to get much out of them so they are off of their radar screen. Oh, sure, once in awhile they offer some crumb of solidarity, but, it's as bogus as they are.

The main things that NA feminists tie up their time with is keeping abortion on demand flowing with as minimal restrictions as possible including late term partial birth abortions and keeping the grant money flowing into campuses for their lame "womens studies" re-education courses that they inflict on the young and gullible.

Ezra was being chivalrous in just calling Andrea a "clown". The cure for bad ideas is to refute them and ridicule them into oblivion. We've all been too polite.

Posted by: penny at February 10, 2009 2:07 PM

It's about time someone like Ezra busted her chops. When Coren pressed her for clarification, she never did expand, just kept dodging. Typical lefty bully throwing out unsubstantiated slurs, then astonished when the victim fights back.

First time I ever saw Andrea on the Coren show, I was struck by how she came across as humourless and condescending. I even emailed Coren and commented on what a sourpuss she was.

I kept trying to recall who she reminded me of. Then it came to me - ever see the movie "Chicken Run"? Mrs. Tweedie!! the woman who owned the chicken farm and was planning on sending all non-producing hens into the chicken pie machine. Now I can't watch Coren on Monday night without seeing Mrs. Tweedie whenever the camera's on Andrea.

Posted by: skeptic at February 10, 2009 2:10 PM

I have a problem with one of the concepts being expressed in this thread ... that being that Ezra didn't vilify Muslims.

He did ... he offended their sensitivities by publishing the cartoons. It's not up to us to decide when someone feels vilified.

BUT, that's not the point.

For instance, what is wrong with vilifying any group, especially if they deserve it ... be they Muslim or Christian. For example, if you "vilify" Muslims by drawing attention to supremacist or totalitarian aspects of their faith, so be it.

Freedom of expression means having the freedom to be offended; otherwise, we hand the hammer over to whomever can cry "I'm a victim" the loudest.

Posted by: Paul at February 10, 2009 3:04 PM

Who is this Andrea person? I think she might be an official woman (h/t Ezra)so I guess I should I feel bad that I've managed to live a very nice life without having ever heard of her - but I don't.

Posted by: Kathryn at February 10, 2009 3:05 PM

While she is everything Ezra says she is, I would prefer Ezra stayed above name calling or at least used "nicer" terms like asinine and ridiculous.

Posted by: ducktrapper at February 10, 2009 3:30 PM

all I can say is this foolish b!tch was lucky it was Ezra she was slagging, I would have let loose with a string of obscenities like she never heard before. And that would not have been my first time doing so!!!

Posted by: GYM at February 10, 2009 6:01 PM

Paul....Ezra DID NOT vilify Muzzies.They do that quite well on their own.Heard of any Jews or Christians strapping bombs on their own kids lately???? It is leftard crap like yours that has got us where we are.The smackdown time of the socialists/leftards is LONG overdue!

Posted by: Justthinkin at February 10, 2009 6:08 PM

Paul, Ezra most definitely did NOT "vilify" Muslims. I understand your point - he may have "insulted" Muslims, and we cannot control who takes offense to such publications.

However, vilify is akin to "slander" and "defame" more than "insult". We don't have the right to vilify groups, even if they do deserve it. BUT publishing cartoons like these in NO WAY slanders or defames Muslims. They did that to themselves with their reaction to them.

Does publishing a cartoon about an overweight person "slander" fat people? Nope. Might insult them, but like you said, "Freedom of expression means having the freedom to be offended". That, however, is not the same as vilification. Ezra was entirely correct in calling her out for such a charge.

Posted by: daryl at February 10, 2009 6:35 PM

Paul... I'm offended by lefties. Want to make something of it? You idiots make me sick.

Posted by: Rosco at February 10, 2009 6:56 PM

Watching it again, I'm almost convinced she doesn't know what "vilify" means. I think she meant "offended", and ironically, slanders Ezra with that mistake. She was joking, but he probably could sue her.

Posted by: Daryl at February 10, 2009 7:08 PM

Paul...you've attempted to explain 'villify'. for Andrea.
Can you explain 'rubbed it in their noses'?

And if 'reporting' of any foul deed is classified as villification, let's not hear about anything bad going on in the streets of Toronto...wouldn't want to 'villify' the gangs and pushers now would we?
On the side, a relative was accused of hate-mongering recently by another relative.
His crime: e-mailing pictures of the grossly absurd and hateful slogans on Islamic signs from a hateful anti-American and anti-Israel 'rally' in Europe.

Posted by: bluetech at February 10, 2009 7:29 PM

Islam needs no vilification. The Koran does the best job there is. As is the life of their self proclaimed Prophet. By the way I feel the same about Muslims as I did Soviet Citizens who had to endure Communism. I detest the whole phony Religion based on a desert Bandit with sex issues. Using belief to create an Empire.

That does not mean I do the people. I loathed Communism's collectivism of the Individual with its Death cult conjoined to personality cults. It does not mean I hate Russians as people.
Both types of individuals in these groups suffer, even those who benefit from the hatred inherent in both systems.
Its kills all humanity in people. Makes them monsters with no hope.

Ezra of course kicked butt. Coren can be naive at times. Still a good show though. He should have a few stronger horses appear on air for gravity.

This women was wrong about sharia law stopped by Feminists. It was Muslim Women with conservative , libertarian & other groups mainly Blogs. Not the entitled , moneyed, dizzy Dames of disordered priorities. It was Normal Women who stopped it. No one heard a peep from this dweeb or her cohorts of calumny.
JMO

Posted by: Revnant Dream at February 10, 2009 7:46 PM

I have been waiting a long time for Andrea to get the smackdown she so richly deserves. The smug woman wouldn't know how to talk her way out of a paper bag without her talking points. If you watch the show regularly she never actually answers a question just repeats the talking points she rehearsed before the show. They know the general range of topics to discuss and I'm sure she does her research and just gets out the old 3X5 index cards and writes down her entire set of comments for the show. If anyone actually gets her back on topic, she hems and haws and tries to change the subject. Well done EZRA...

Posted by: Rick Rae at February 10, 2009 8:26 PM

RD writes, "He [Coren] should have a few stronger horses appear on air for gravity." I agree.

However, I think Coren dislikes any competition, so having limp-minded guests serves his purpose very well.

As others have said here, many of us have stopped watching Coren because of the often very low level of discussion.

What a shame. What a wasted opportunity.

Ezra turned all that around last night. I hope he becomes a regular on the show: I might tune in again.

Posted by: lookout at February 10, 2009 8:28 PM

Niiiice smackdown. Andrea looks dumber than a bag o' hammers there, trying to dodge the big, huge silver bullet from Ezra and Coren is not giving her an inch. Now THAT is an interview!

She also looks like the typical female HR department goof who makes up the five inch thick book of rules one finds in the average Canadian organization these days.

I use the word "female", because "woman" implies human being. Whereas "female" allows all manner of other possibilities. Deer ticks for example come in the female variety, as do dogs and water buffalo. And warthogs!

Posted by: The Phantom at February 10, 2009 10:56 PM

earlier in this thread, I refer to Ezra going "off track" when he refers to her as a clown.
In Ezra's blog, he brings this up, wondering if "ass" and "clown" were the best he could do.
I'm not saying he was incorrect. Far from it. Only that these are not the usual for Mr. Levant...

It is Andrea that seems to need written notes to keep her on track.

Posted by: marc in calgary at February 10, 2009 10:58 PM

Paul said: "I have a problem with one of the concepts being expressed in this thread ... that being that Ezra didn't vilify Muslims."

That's because you don't understand what the word "vilify" means. You're in good company though, Andrea The Warthog didn't understand it either and she's a real live activist.

It means "to make vicious and defamatory statements about." according to the Online Dictionary. Ezra didn't do that. He published a set of cartoons depicting Mohamed. So Muslims and Andrea The Warthog can claim he was offensive against Islam (because he broke the Islamic rule against depicting Mohamed), but they can't claim he vilified Muslims. But then he didn't have to, their actions spoke loud enough.

This concludes The Phantom English Lesson for today.

Posted by: The Phantom at February 10, 2009 11:11 PM

"The publication of those cartoons ... were an aggressive and confrontational thing to do..."

I see. In Canada we're not allowed to express opinions that could be considered aggressive or confrontational to a government bureaucrat.

Funny thing, she didn't mention anything about promoting hatred, of inciting violence, the definition of a hate crime. She mentioned being "confrontational." Hmmm..

Posted by: Meany at February 10, 2009 11:44 PM

I posted this at Ezra's but I feel strongly enough about to post it here. It helps explain what we are really up against

http://www.dailymotion.com/video...f_yuri- bezmenov
This is a long video from 1985, interview with a Russian KGB defector explaining the long term goals of the KGB towards the West. 15 - 20 years to indoctinate a new generation and demoralize a nation. Calver, Moon, Hall, Lynch, Miller et al are the fruits of that campaign. What strikes me most is how adamant this guy is that, you can argue these people blue in the face and they can't change their mindset till a bullet hits it. And some of them not even them. The parallel between what Russia was attempting and Jihad today is amazing.
It really is worth watching as it explains why we have leftoid, dhimmified, useful idiots and yes he calls them exactly that. It should be required viewing at every university.

Posted by: Mohhamad The Teddy Bear at February 11, 2009 1:09 AM
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