"Obama said during the interview was just as remarkable: he spoke unflinchingly of his Muslim roots while reassuring Arabs that "Americans are not your enemy."

We are not your enemies? Right! Apparently we are Bambi and you are the hunter.

Obama will serve as a Trojan Horse and our ENEMIES will continue to slither in and infest our system until it's their system.

In this new century, if you are a Negro or a Muslim, America is your oyster. If you happen to be an unfortunate White Christian you will pay the fright, shut your mouth and watch your way of life disappear. This is nothing short of cultural genocide.

"But for a man whose campaign endured a barrage of racist accusations that he was secretly a Muslim, what Obama said during the interview was just as remarkable: he spoke unflinchingly of his Muslim roots while reassuring Arabs that 'Americans are not your enemy.'"

Ummmm, Islam is not a race. It is a religion. How can calling someone a Muslim be racist?!?!

the progressives simply cannot allow the fact, that GWB's administration conceived of and executed the greatest long term strategic and not incidentally humanitarian feat in all political history, to stand....

regarded objectively the Iraq initiative with little good faith from the Democrats or the U.N. and in the face of strenuous opposition from the usual suspects, has led to an incalculably positive potential for fracturing the diabolical calculus upon which our enemies without and within fatten themselves....

there can be no doubt GWB has done more good for more people than anyone since Sir Winston Churchill....

i might add that IMO, as a general rule, comparisons are NOT odious.

"We are not your enemies? Right! Apparently we are Bambi and you are the hunter."

Let me get this straight ... you want to go to war against the entire Arab world?

"do i smell the stench of appeasement?"

But for years the Media constantly used Anti-American catch phrases;

Quaigmire and Nam and invasion and occupying and imperialists and and..

So how in he!! did Democracy for Iraqis hatch !?

The "best weapon" of the Hyppy Generation is no more - the Vietnam Monkey is off The American's back.

Alex,

The question is ... does the entire Arab world want to go to war with us? Apparently so since none of us are safe in any Arab country with the possible exception of Iraq because WE ALREADY WON THAT PART OF THE WAR.

You cannot just say we aren't going to fight back. We will roll over and you can continue the Jihad without us. That's just dumb.

Radical Islam is at war with us and the most active members of that group happen to be Arabs and you can toss the Persians in the mix. The less active members of the Islamic world serve as baby factories and fund raisers.

Got that Bambi?

Yes Alex, there will be war with the arab world. Just ask Israel. These people have one goal. World domination. If that offends your delicate sensibilities well, ain't that just too bad. They'll still shoot your ass off.

Yes a world war is coming and coming fast. The arabs will be a part of that war as will North america and every other continent.

I realize that's hard for a liberal to get his head around but maybe if you lifted it out of the sand once in a while you would have a better handle on reality.

"The question is ... does the entire Arab world want to go to war with us? Apparently so since none of us are safe in any Arab country with the possible exception of Iraq"

Nonsense. Have you ever tried traveling to the middle east? Hundreds of thousands of us do it every year. Morocco is a popular destination. Qatar and Egypt are nice too. Of the 23 existing Arab nations I would only be worried about traveling in 3 or 4, and even there the odds of me being attacked would be less than if I were traveling in, say, South Africa, Cuba, or Mexico. Do you think we should be invading those nations also? Go kick some Mexican ass?

"Got that Bambi?"

Hey, I'm not the one who seems to be terrified of anyone with brown skin. I pick my battles carefully, as do most other members of the CF. If you want to be a genocidal idiot, that's your call - the rest of us are geared towards a more nuanced foreign policy.

Anyway, I didn't really expect a rational response. You're simply a rabble-rouser. Frankly, I see little difference between your preachings, and those of the radical Imams - you only differ on ideology, not on methodology. You're arguing for us to out-fanaticize the Islamic fanatics, and, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that just aint happenin.

yup....all the same signs as in Churchill's 'Gathering Storm'.....

an overtly hostile transparently scheming enemy.....a feckless gormless and gutless elite falling back on appeasement and negotiation...

excepting THIS time the order of battle has changed....this time we are honeycombed with fifth columnists, defeatists and big 'S' socialists sapping our will and conviction..... and suborned or bribed politicians who cleverly clothe themselves in, rending and distorting out of all recognition the while, our precious mantle of law.

"I realize that's hard for a liberal to get his head around but maybe if you lifted it out of the sand once in a while you would have a better handle on reality."

The liberals call me a neo-con, and the ultra-right whackjobs call me a liberal. It never fails to make me smile :)

alex ?...please.

as someone mentioned there is NO moderate Islam..and precious few moderate muslims....

the muslim world generally view the west with an amalgam of envy and hate...THAT is the general view of most muslims who live in the west....and as long as the imams in the mosques and the demagogues in the street shape and control the muslim mind that sad state of affairs is only going to worsen...

the truth of what i say is easily enough proven....HAS been proven for a good number of years.

Ultra-right whackjob? Nope never been called that before.

Knuckle dragger, red neck, Bible thumper, neo con, Western neanderthal, hillbilly, and some more I've forgotten, but never a whack job.

Then was white Christian male, denier, hater, Jesus freak, but no whack job. Yup that's a first Alex.

Still, there is a war coming but you don't have to believe a whack job like me.

Hey I'm starting to like that word. Whack job. Kind of rolls off the tongue. Thanks Alex.

"the muslim world generally view the west with an amalgam of envy and hate...THAT is the general view of most muslims who live in the west"

Right! I guess all those Muslim cab drivers in Toronto who gave me a free ride while I was in uniform only did so because they hate me so much. Their way of saying "Screw you canadian soldier, we don't need your money!". Oh, and the dozens of Muslims members of my former regiment? All an anomaly. Either that or spies, trying to steal our secrets for the Caliphate!

Where the hell do you live, anyway? The north-west territories? Have you ever even MET a Muslim? I think this kind of insane bigotry must only exist in isolated communities, where it can foster without any exposure to reality.

W S Churchill was considered a whack-job...so you're in the very best of company.

"Hey, I'm not the one who seems to be terrified of anyone with brown skin."

It's not about the skin ... hard as you and you leftist fools try to make this racial ... it's about the religion. It is a religious/political ideology that is in full clash with ours.

Somethings gotta give and don't mean give-up as you have.

When you deny and appease, you will soon find yourself in a box car heading for oblivion. It's happened before. Some of us are quick studies. We won't roll over. Islam has to quit blowing shit up and stay in home to build a society that includes toilet paper.

alex .....i'm quite sure i was dealing with muslims long long before you were born.....

i remember W S Churchill referring to Mein Kampf as the Koran of our times...are you suggesting Churchill was wrong in his assessment ?.....or are you suggesting the average German didn't cleave to much of what was written in Mein Kampf ?....

as for anomalies ?...of course anomalies exist...they are the exceptions that prove the rule....

how many ways need you be mugged by reality alex ?

"Hey, I'm not the one who seems to be terrified of anyone with brown skin."

Fastest collapse ever. Alex, only a liberal waves that pathetic accusation that fast.

Alex,

"Have you ever even MET a Muslim? "

Yes and they were not very friendly BECAUSE I am an infidel.

If a Muslim is nice to an infidel, it's because the infidel is about to be conned or worse.

I am also of the belief the most Muslims are not interested in being friends with Infidels. Fathers have been known to kill their daughters for just such a thing ... in the Toronto area.

Infidels are unclean and morally corrupt. No good Muslim will have anything to do with them.

Besides, you cannot go have a beer with a Muslim or go to a dance with Muslims, or have a date with a Muslim woman, or play in a rock band with a Muslim. They are taught from day one, that only Muslims have value. It is all written in their instruction manual 'the Koran'. They are not allowed to have any fun at all unless you count playing polo with the head of a goat for a ball.

Enjoy your next holiday in the Muslim country of your choice. I will stick to Hawaii or Florida.

BTW alex...last time i looked , intellect......physical and spiritual comeliness....the depth of emotion and human sympathy.....all the virtues and vices man is heir to are not distributed favouring one climate or topography over another especially disadvantaging the NWT.......

and by extension and making reference to the spirit of your earlier post let me add I do not say my nightly prayers facing toward the Holy See......nor do i arrange my toilet so my "hind quarters" do not offer insult to our Holy Father.

I agree with Alex that a lot of the comments here are 'rabble rousing', or rather, based on a profound ignorance and bias.

None of 'us' are safe in any Arab country? Hmm, how about the enormous financial and industrial companies of the world that do business with the UAE and regularly travel to Dubai?
How about the economic ties to Jordan and Egypt?

The statement that there are 'no moderate Muslims' is untenable. Ever heard of Salim Mansur, Tarek Fatah, Irshad Manji, to name just a few of the most readily recognized names in Canada. And there are a LOT more. So, assertive statements that 'there's no such thing as a moderate Muslim' are pure nonsense.

John - your comments are bigoted rubbish. There are a lot of us who work with Muslims as close colleagues.

John Begley - the comparison to Mein Kampf and the Koran is invalid. You can compare fascist Islam and German/Italian fascism but not those two texts! The Koran is written from a 7th century pastoral nomadic lifestyle, Mein Kampf from a nationalist fascist ideology. And yes, there is moderate Muslim; you should take a look at the academic articles written by Muslims about this.

Your error, the two of you, is to think that Islamic fascism is the same as Islam. It isn't. Your other error is bigotry and hatred - and that's your problem.

These John guys are a real buzz kill. Oh well, gets me away from the computer at least!

i say bullshit....i say you're suffering delirium tremens....

i'll take W S Churchill's word over yours any day of the week...if Churchill unequivocally felt both documents run parallel then they run parallel.....and there is an end on it...how dare a mere havering wavering pup like you presume to contradict a man of his stature...........your arrogance and impudence astound me.

ET said
"Your error, the two of you, is to think that Islamic fascism is the same as Islam. It isn't. Your other error is bigotry and hatred - and that's your problem."
The problem is that even though only 10% of Muslims are suicidal fanatics, that makes 120 million suicidal fanatics, and the other 90 % either support their actions or just look the other way. There are very, very few brave Muslims willing to speak up against the fanatics, and many of them are killed for their bravery.

I'd like to see a picture of Alex in uniform.
I smell bullshit. A big heaping pile of the stuff.

Pretty interesting how the moral relativists creep into the thread and try to pretend it's all just an intellectual exercise.

Moral relativism is not evidence of intellectual superiority nor is it a proof of moral superiority

As others have said many times "All cultures and beliefs are not equal."

The truth in the old saw that "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." will become apparent when you have your face stuffed with the morality of Islam at the hands of people who outnumber you and despise you.

Obama has already proved himself a moral relativist. What remains to be seen is how far he will go or be allowed to go on that path to ruin.

OMMAG - where and when did moral relativism come into this discussion? So far, not one post can be interpreted in such a manner.

What some of us are saying is that the comments of the Two Johns with their fundamentalist black and white views are simple ignorant bigotry.

Iit's interesting but the Two Johns are filled with the same kind of mindless hatred as the Islamic fascists! Two similar types! I suspect that neither of them has read either Mein Kampf or the Koran.

Yes, German/Italian fascism is perfectly comparable to Islamic fascism. But Islam is not, in itself, fascist; it is a 7th century tribal perspective. The Koran is not a fascist text in itself, while Mein Kampf is.

Now, there's no moral relativism in this, but there is certainly ignorance and bigotry in the hatred of the Two Johns, a hatred and ignorance exactly comparable to that held by radical Islamists.

ET...oh balls.....

i've read the Koran...AND i've read many many reviews of Mein Kampf....

and if W S Churchill says they are parallel documents in spirit and intent then they are....so,

1...what is the "simple ignorant bigotry" of stating that fact?

2..and what have i stated that could be construed as "mindless hatred"?

your responses read as though you act out of an emotional response to comment that offends your amour propre rather than your intellect.....and please stop the waffling...you sound pathetic when you act petulant...and BTW professor,if Mein Kampf was a 'fascist' screed then YOU must be President McKinley....please refrain from sloppy thinking that simply muddies the waters...

now pls. answer the above 2 questions in the most straightforward and brief manner you can muster....and focus!

It is amazing to see the transformation of Iraq. This is a big milestone in Iraq's move to democracy.

Almost all democracies, it seems to me, are born out of the courage of people to stand up and fight for freedom in their own way and on their own terms, and in almost every case I can think of, some sort of hardship and war was involved in moving towards freedom.

I think Iraq is on it's way and I think this will lead to all people in the ME to question their gov'ts and push for the freedom that the Iraqi's have attained.

Never watch our MSM, did they report anything about how well things went with this election?

I wonder if we can look at the debate from the aspect of G. W. Bush providing the necessary awareness that the U.S.A. has the "Big Stick". The following leader, an articulate person with an attractive name and background to an ordinary person living in an Islamic Country, regardless of it's type of government, is now "Walking Softly". Appeasement?; possibly not. Awareness?; possibly yes. Necessarily leading to an end? Not necessarily. A opportunity to use the ever reaching out capabilities of the internet? Not necessarily; but an opportunity, yes! Knee jerk reactions? Predictable. Opportunities to be seized? Rare! Cheers;

Saw this over at Powerline:

Iraq's provincial elections were conducted successfully today. The Associated Press headlines:

Iraq wraps up election with major violence
Jan 31 10:20 AM US/Eastern

It's just a typo, though, or maybe a Freudian slip. What the AP actually reports is:

Iraq's provincial elections have wrapped up without any reports of serious violence.
Polls closed at 6 p.m. local time (10 a.m. EST) on Saturday--an hour later than planned. Millions of voters cast ballots for influential regional councils around most of Iraq.

The elections represent a great success for the Iraqi people and one more sign that President Bush's--or rather, the country's--effort in Iraq will go down in history as a success. If Iraq's democracy succeeds and inspires similar progress in other Arab countries, it could be a success of epic proportions.

Mike Sr, I think that is nicely stated

"i remember W S Churchill referring to Mein Kampf as the Koran of our times...are you suggesting Churchill was wrong in his assessment ?"

Not really. I just think that the books of ALL the abrahamic religions are comparable to Mein Kampf. The fact that most modern christians and jews have largely outgrown the teachings of their "holy books" is great, but let's not pretend that those books are any less hateful than the teachings of Hitler and Mohamed. The ability of christians to ignore the more violent and hateful passages in their books is a testament to the fact that the behavior of a particular religious group is not intrinsically tied to the books which they profess to follow. We should be working to encourage all Muslims to join us in the 21st century, not looking to bomb them back into the stone age.

"or are you suggesting the average German didn't cleave to much of what was written in Mein Kampf?"

Obviously. Do you even need to ask? The majority of Germans probably never even read the thing. If they had all been strident believers of the principles which Hitler preached, we would have had a much tougher time sorting them out after the war. Instead they simply rolled over as soon as we defeated their army.

Shintoisms in Japan was a bit worse, but the biggest strides there were made by convincing the emperor to denounce his "godliness". If you can convince the radical leaders to toe the line, their followers don't pose much of a problem. Why declare war on a billion people when we only need to work on a small fraction of them? We should be discussing ways to help bring about an islamic reformation; instead, you're trying to further isolate and fanaticize muslims with whom we have a lot of common ground. Nobody in their right mind would take your approach. The US policy in Iraq for the last 3 years has been a practical application of my methodology. YOUR approach seems to be more like the Russian adventure in Afghanistan.

dear alex.... as much as love my fellow man that's enough time wasted on your limited understanding and intentional obtuseness...if there were even a scintilla of irony in your silly remarks i could forgive you...but there ain't...so that means you have zero self doubt which makes you a ridiculous figure.....

Alex, I'm not 100% concordant with you on everything, but I'm with you on almost everything.

Here's a sort of related article

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/dead_iraqi_would_have_loved

Alex:

Can you give an example where violence is advocated in the New Testament?

That's where the basic tenets of Christianity are clearly spelled out.

I must have missed the part where Christ advocated attaining inner peace through violent means.

"as much as love my fellow man..."

Now that's good comedy right there :) Thanks for the laughs John.

Erik:

Funny article, but also pointless. It's akin to saying "Dead American would have loved democracy" while discussing the American war of independence. Yes, innocent people die. Yes, it sucks. But innocent people die no matter what we do, so using their deaths as a criticism of our actions is silly, unless our actions were specifically calculated to kill as many innocent people as possible.

You can disagree with the war in Iraq if you want, but you need better grounds for that disagreement if you want to have any kind of serious discussion, or if you expect to convince others of the validity of your position.

As for us not being 100% concordant on everything, that's to be expected. I've never met a person whom I agree with on every topic. James Randi is a personal hero of mine - I love pretty much everything that man has ever done - yet we still disagree on a few issues. Human nature dictates that there will always be SOMETHING we disagree on, and that's fine as long as we don't infringe on each others freedoms, and as long as we strive to ensure that those disagreements don't stem from ignorance or poor logic.

alex- I don't think that the New Testament is similar to the Old, but the Judaic and Islamic isolation of their societies as 'the pure' is similar to each other. And the Islamic Hadith (rules of societal behaviour) is as strict and isolationist as the Judaic Halakhah rules.

As you say, why declare war on a billion people, which only isolates them to radicalism, when the strategy ought to be, as it has been in Iraq, to free them from tribal dictatorships and enable them to modernize into democracy.

John Begley - If you had read the Koran, then you'd know how much of it is given to a social structure of the 7th c, how much of it is ambiguity, how much of it, as a religious rather than societal system, is derived from the Judaic and therefore, you would know that it is not a fascist document.

And if you had read what Churchill said, you'd know that he did NOT say that Mein Kampf was 'the Koran of our times' but that Mein Kampf was: "Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless but pregnant with its meaning".

What that means is NOT that Mein Kampf is 'parallel' to the Koran in 'spirit and intent' but that Mein Kampf is to be understood as an authoritative, even religious text, a Koran, written in that same 'turgid, verbose and shapeless manner'.

This doesn't mean that the intent and spirit and agenda of Mein Kampf is similar to that of the Koran. It means that they are both set up as dogma, and both are written in a 'turgid, verbose and shapeless manner'...and that Mein Kampf is 'pregnant with meaning'.

Mein Kampf was a clear outline of a fascist nationalism, its agenda of taking over Europe and so on. The Koran is an outline of a 7th c pastoral nomadic lifestyle, outlining how women are to be treated, how Others are to be treated and so on. You can find similar societal rules about 'how to live', and how to treat others, who are most certainly NOT accepted, in the Judaic rules called the Halakhah.

Your insistence that Islam is equivalent to fascism, your rejection of moderate Islam, your insistence that envy and hate is the 'general view of most Muslims who live in the West' is 'mindless hatred'.

OK, kind of off-topic, but James Randi is a great man who should be better known to many. I loved his horoscope "trick" in a university (I think it was) class.

I don't really know if I can articulate whether I agree or disagree with the war in Iraq. I feel great sorrow at the loss of lives, North American, European, other, and Iraqi.

But, in the end, the Strait of Hormuz is a pretty vital area to the world economy. Should Iran try to choke that off, big troubles (maybe)

I still think a better approach to Iraq would have been to stick a big geostationary satellite over the country, broadcasting western television for free. I think that would go a long way towards secularizing the country.

I don't really know though, not my area.

Alex wrote: Not really. I just think that the books of ALL the abrahamic religions are comparable to Mein Kampf. The fact that most modern christians and jews have largely outgrown the teachings of their "holy books" is great, but let's not pretend that those books are any less hateful than the teachings of Hitler and Mohamed.

Bullshit. I call bullshit. Do you really believe the crap you write? Modern Christians? What's that? Is that like 'progressive'? Oh please. Just by writing the above it's obvious you have never read the New Testament yet you have the nerve to compare it to Hitler or Mo? You p.o.s., this thread is over as far as I am concerned. And by the way, yes, you really are a liberal.

ET I used to have a little respect for you, now I treat your posts like New's. They're long and ramble on. You're not nearly as clever as you would like to believe, or have us believe. You're just another apologist for the cult of death. Whatever.

After watching Bill Clinton get on his knees to Yassar Arafat with no results George Bush actually ran on a traditional conservative non-interventionist foreign policy platform. After 911 he did a complete 180 degree turn. He realized he was at war with radical Islam around the world. He could no longer ignore it like Clinton did as this just emboldened the terrorists. He could not wage war on 1 billion Muslims in dozens of countries. That's why he chose regime change and nation building in a few key countries with the hope of slowing changing the culture in the middle east - giving the citizens there another option. He always said it would be a long war over many decades.

I agree with his strategy and have yet to see any other feasible proposals from either the left or right in how to deal with the growing threat of radical Islam fueled by petro-dollars. Lets hope Iraq continues to move in the right direction and that the Big Zero doesn't destroy the halting progress in Afghanistan with his ill-thought out surge.

Michael Yon, Michael Totten and others have written many stories about the great Muslim people they have met in countries all over the middle east. Read blogs of American soldiers in Iraq talking about the great local people. Iran under the Shah was very progressive - some of the hottest chicks I have ever met come from this secular muslim era of Iran - no burkhas or head coverings of any kind. Michael Ledeen often writes how even now most of the Iranian people are pro-America. The challenge is to connect with these great people and bring them in to the 21st century.

Amen Fritz!

well...he IS the eponymously self described "Extra-Terrestrial"....it's not as though he faked his credentials or sumpin is it ?

it must be difficult indeed retrieving digesting and formulating an understanding living on the dark side of la loon.

Thanks Eric

'some of the hottest chicks i've ever met"

oh fritz...oh ET...oh erik the red...or the green..oh whatever...

'some of the hottest chicks etc'says all i have to know regarding your ability to objectively evaluate events... ....

and before i retire to catalogueing my collection of euphroes let me just say that mike sr.(erik's God it appears)is prolly the silliest and least inspiring and most gutless example of progressive lliberal kowtowing to the barbarians rattling the portcullis...

I find it hilarious reading all the comments about the civility of Islam and the “they’re just people like us” comments on this thread. “Muslim cab drivers giving free rides to uniformed soldiers in Toronto” or “hundreds of thousands of people travel safely through the Middle East safely every year”. Pleeese……..

Talk about armchair academics learning their idea of culture and the “facts” of the world from Travel Travel and the Discovery Channel, what a hoot.

Dubai, Morocco and most of these other European landscaped and tourist protected areas are not culture! Nor is the fact that “thousands travel” too many of these countries safely, make the ideologies and core values of the people living in them your friends and soul buddies. The fact that contractors living in these same places live under extremely heavy security, from secure housing compounds to armed escort - seems to defy the understanding of the rainbow dreamers and elitist snobs.

“Not seeing the forest for the trees” is the pathetic rule for those that misunderstand the fundamentals of other cultures, and who take the differences of those cultures so lightly. To begin with Arabic cultures have their own unpalatable idiosyncrasies for western people. Not unbearable per say, especially when they exist 6000 miles away but damaging when nestled within our own. They the Arabic cultures are then wrapped in a cocoon of Islamic ideology which plays on their inherent tribally indoctrinated unquestioned control of their lives along with the sanctioned satisfaction of revenge for perceived offences by others. It fits the, jealous, bigoted, homophobic, gynophobia indigenous cultures beautifully – it even advocates and promotes the hatred for anything that is not male, in charge, Arabic and Islamic. Yes they hate each other equally as well.

This is not something to take lightly, because it is not about some quaint peoples living on the other side of the planet minding their own business handing out souvenirs. This is about an invading culture of submission that has actively declared war on the west. It invades through migration and baby factories that subsist off the conquered land through its own welfare systems. It has taken active rolls in parliamentary reform throughout Europe, Canada, & Australia to terraform the political landscape to the ideals of a 7th century pedophile. It bully’s through murder and street protest and has won piece by piece the sovereignty of these countries by attacking its foundations of education, religion, government, culture, and media. You are a foolish foolish person if you honestly think you can allow this to occur and somehow control it. If you believe that this is quite ok and the lands of Europe and the America’s should be forfeit to Islam, you are simply enough - a traitor.

what knight 99 said.

dudes...brothers ......and so on....sisters too....yeah!

A Storm is Coming, time to move along if you can't post without swearing at people. If you don't agree with ET and Alex fine but it doesn't win you any points in displaying your hostility and anger. No one wins an argument which is what you appear to have sunk to.

Another thing I find funny on this particular thread is the whole “book thing”, Mein Kampf, the Koran, Old and new Christianity etcetera. Although the dangers to the west by Islam are real and substantiated, it’s not all about religion.

At its core it’s about control, coveting others wealth and racial & cultural jealousy! The Islamic fundamentalism is a means to facilitate the ends, for most. Simply a weapon or a tool wielded by the hard core believers and the not so hard core believers alike. A little like hiding guns and bombs in a mosque and instantly crying foul using fabricated political correctness whenever the opportunity arises.

The base emotions of a billion+ immature third world peoples are controlled by a few. They are the unwitting or witless foot soldiers active in the invisible war that western liberal elites “and others” refuse to acknowledge. That doesn’t make it any less real, nor does endless pandering and analyzing of the “whys” and “how come’s”. Indecisive ignorant weenies will kill western culture eventually – they are too intelligently stupid to understand that small suicidal reality.

good ol' knight 99....btw his old job was press agent and apologist for penitent nazis..

he feels their pain etc...

Actually I believe in “Good fences make for good neighbors”.

No one in there right mind willingly allows known murderers or thieves into their home. Why would you allow dysfunctional cultures and ideologies into your own?

You can cry all you want that every culture has something to offer a society, whatever, it also has the potential to offer far more harm. We are smart enough to trade good ideas from afar thank you, and western society’s have flourished from ours and carried everyone else on its back.

What have we been culturally enriched by from the Middle East, belly dancing and shish kabobs? Watch a movie or take a trip. Far better and cheaper I think than enduring a future of servitude to Islam, burning cities such as France, gang rapes as throughout Europe and more and more bombs. Wait until the big one hits one of our North American cities – what will they say then, we didn’t submit enough? Possibly it was just “disenfranchised youths” again, or we brought it on ourselves for not understanding their culture of peace?

Regardless it will be our fault; the only difference will be finger pointing, the right blaming the left as globalist, multicultural knobs, and the left blaming the right for not being culturally sensitive enough. Islam just spreads its wings and laughs.

Well said ET

Great posts, ET. Very well said. A lot of people seem to have convinced themselves that we are being invaded as part of some sort of carefully orchestrated Muslim plot. Ludicrous. The vast majority are simply seeking the same as every other immigrant - a better life for their families. The radicals are the problem, and they can be traced to the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi Wahhabism. Cut off Saudi funding and the radical mosques die.

Posted by: Belisarius>> “Ludicrous.”?

It’s neither ludicrous, or a carefully orchestrated plot. It’s a messy unchecked infection that spreads naturally because it’s not treated.

Some of the big names in the Muslim world make sweeping declarations to the fact that it is an invasion, such as Omar Kadafi – why would you think they are joking?

“Cut off Saudi funding and the radical mosques die.”

Simple as that, huh, and who pray-tell is going to do that?

Of course 99.9% of immigrants coming to any first world country are trying to improve their lives. You miss the point entirely when you do not recognize the dangers to that society with what baggage they bring with them.

France didn’t have semi annual carbaques 10 years ago; Canada didn’t have protests in its streets flying terrorist flags and murdering its prime minister in effigy.

The rot of Islam creates violence and war on every border it neighbors from India to the Philippines, Africa through the Middle East. It fights every major religion and culture on earth including its own. It violently protests and murders in every European city that it’s numbers swell past an indistinguishable minority.

I’m not trying to convince you, you are in good company with millions of others that do not have the foresight to see danger from evidence that does not appear to affect you directly. I’m merely pointing out that it is not ludicrous if you pay attention to the disastrous results for those that live the nightmare of Islam in other places and empathize with them.

Some of the big names in the Muslim world make sweeping declarations to the fact that it is an invasion, such as Omar Kadafi – why would you think they are joking?

Yes, I think they are joking. BTW, who is Omar Kadafi?