TV channel TVO broadcasted a debate between my (and yours) good friend Tarek Fatah and a number of pro-jihadist, pro-Sharia jackoffs including Aly Hindy. Aly Hindy is the imam of the Salaheddin Islamic Centre in Toronto and was also the spiritual leader of the Toronto 18 terrorist cell and is a close friend of Canada's al-Qaeda family the Khadrs.(Video at the link.) Posted by Kate at January 25, 2009 2:26 PMIn this video titled The Meaning of Jihad (#) Aly Hindy praises suicide bombers. It comes up towards the end but the entire thing is worth watching as it provides an insight into how these assholes think: [...]
A couple of sources are telling me that some news media entities such as the Toronto Star are refusing to run this story because it isn't 'news'. Apparently pro-suicide bomber Imams in Canada are passe.
Link connects to the site but an Internet Explorer message says can't connect.
Googled the site dustmybroom, it opens but the particular story is not listed as far as I can see.
Hanky panky or just plain panky?
Of course its not news.They can't use it to slam PMSH and crew.
Posted by: Justthinkin at January 25, 2009 5:10 PMKate, just a clarification: I watched the video and Aly Hindy said that he endorses suicide bombing against military targets only, not against civilians. I don't believe him for a second and even this comment deserves absolute vilification, but nevertheless, that's what he said. It doesn't help our side to say otherwise and distort the facts.
numenius....just in case you missed it,to these Islamofacists,ANYTHING and ANYBODY who is not a Koran following nutcase like them,IS a military target. Get it??
Posted by: Justthinkin at January 25, 2009 6:21 PMNote that the other two Muslims on the show rejected the very idea of suicide bombers as having any validity for any reason, within Islam.
One was Tarek Fatah; the other, a Muslim scholar from the USA. Both were very clear in their rejection.
Aly Hindy didn't make a clear statement against suicide bombing - and suicide, by the way, is against Islamic law. Instead, he waffled, he suggested that if the agenda was 'military'; if there was no option, no choice, if ...etc. In other words, he didn't reject suicide bombing but accepted it.
Posted by: ET at January 25, 2009 6:30 PMPractice makes perfect.
Posted by: Speedy at January 25, 2009 7:01 PMJustthinkin, take it easy. Of course I know most jihadists see all non-Wahhabists as military targets. It doesn't change what Hindy said on the air. You can argue (as Tarek Fatah attmpted to do) that Hindy "meant" that civilians (in our terms) are valid military targets, but you can't claim he "said" it. Otherwise you're dishonest and you give ammunition to the other side to use against you (e.g. those right wing wackos can't even understand plain English).
Posted by: Numenius at January 25, 2009 7:03 PMET, thanks for your analysis. Too hard for me to do that without the benefit of captions (can't hear a thing and lipreading is a tricky thing even for the most competent lipreaders, actually).
One now must wonder if Aly Hindy is actually a Muslim or pretending to be one for some hidden reason/agenda? Then again, maybe he's just Taqiyya-ing? Who knows? Guy's an a$$hole either way.
Or is it a question of whose interpretation of Islam/the Koran he's got in mind? Seems there are those who think it's peaceful and those who take the verses literally and believe it's necessarily hateful and murderous... And it hasn't been proven whether one school of thought is the majority/minority, so who really knows whether the violent, hateful extremists or the non-violent, tolerant moderates are the majority? It's not enough to go by anyone's public statements; there needs to be proof, and absent which, it's anyone's guess. And if we go by what we actually see and hear and also think about our observations carefully, then what is the analysis, if not that there's at least far too many of the hateful, dangerous kind of Muslims and that they must be stopped from spreading the hatred and violence worldwide, stopped from imposing Islam on the world against its will...
The bottom line: Stop Islamofascism and its spread across the world. There's far too many Islamofascists out there and their numbers are indubitably growing fast, for they have a high birth rate and they'll teach their kids to hate people who are different, teach them that they're superior to non-Muslims... the size of the hateful, dangerous Muslim community worldwide only keeps growing. Is it growing faster than the non-hateful, non-dangerous Muslim community? How do we know? We can only observe for ourselves, because the Big Media and the state apparti of the world will not tell us the truth!
Posted by: The Canadian Sentinel at January 25, 2009 7:12 PMWrong Numi....
Connecting the dots is not the equivalent of hyperbole nor is it dishonest.
What is dishonest is parsing semantics and equivocating about the moral equivalence of persons who advocate murder in the name of their religion and persons who point this out.
Posted by: OMMAG at January 25, 2009 7:44 PMCanadian sanctioning homicide bombers eh?
Against military targets? Against Canadian military targets?
Against my brothers and friends?
OK trolls...let's hear ya defend this fking insanity!
VOTE REFORM !
GO ARMY !
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."If you try to cross the line I can't guarantee what is going to happen. Our young people, we can't control,"
- Any Hindy to then Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan (25/07/05)
Some of the Toronto 18 attended his mosque. And BTW there is a website for these as*holes:
http://www.toronto18.com/
So what the hell is this bastard and his ilk doing in Canada???
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Posted by: Gordon MacDonald at January 25, 2009 9:08 PMFor some reason we don't have a Reject/Eject button at Immigration Canada. It would thrill me to drag that son of a pig to the plane and throw is banged up carcass on board as it took him back to where he came from.
We imprisoned less threatening people than these during WW2. Why not these Islamic pigs?
Posted by: Pat at January 25, 2009 9:19 PM"For some reason we don't have a Reject/Eject button at Immigration Canada. It would thrill me to drag that son of a pig to the plane and throw is banged up carcass on board as it took him back to where he came from."
One of the kinks of having a notion of citizenship that is based on geographical boundaries. Everyone has to be a citizen of a nation, and no nation can reject its citizens. If he is a PR, he can be ejected since he doesn't have citizenship. If he is a citizen, there's not much you can do without setting down a slippery slope that can allow any citizen to be ejected. And where will the ejectee go? No nation will accept them. They will simply send them back to Canada. You can, on the other hand, send him off on exile, but even then he remains a Canadian citizen. It is a lot easier to keep a tab on him here than in whichever dump he has come from.
"We imprisoned less threatening people than these during WW2. Why not these Islamic pigs?"
One of the lessons learnt from imprison "less threatening" people is that imprisoning people is wrong. If he is guilty of some crime, he can be imprisoned. In this case, you could throw the hate speech/inciting violence book at him, but as ET points out, it isn't clear that he is calling for suicide bombings.
And another one sails right over the free speechies heads...
Posted by: Kaplan at January 25, 2009 9:40 PMOh just relax all you Islamophobic conspiracy nutbars – These are just disenfranchised Canadian youths, venting a little frustration at your mistreatment of them because their brown skinned.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a few burning cars and minor street riots if it keeps us in step with the rest of the world. After all it’s just one big happy global village with a few brothers and sisters that need to show the rest of us how wrong our pathetic lives are living in the first world.
Why should YOU be able to afford a second car for your spouse to have a “second” household job? There are starving babies in Zimbabwe after all, which clearly means that your babies should also be starving. Get with the program folks – multiculturalism and globalization will equalize Canada with the other 6.5 billion starving, warring, repressed people of the world and we can stop feeling guilty about it. I know when my kids are forced to play in the dirt with a spare discarded tire after beating their heads against concrete in prayer, I to will feel oneness with the universe.
OMMAG, I understand your concern, but you're doing exactly what I'm criticizing: misrepresenting what people say.
1. I did not say that one should not "connect the dots", I said that one can rightly argue about what Hindy "meant", that is, one can (and should!) "connect the dots", as you said.
2. I also did not say (nor imply, nor mean to imply) that there is a moral equivalence between Hindy and his critics. If you look at my previous post (#3) above, you can see this. We agree there is no moral equivalence.
3. However, we don't agree about whether I was "parsing semantics." You think I was pointing out irrelevant minutiae and obscuring the main issue and I think I was pointing out something perfectly relevant, namely, that misrepresenting the fact of what people say gives the left (and radical Islam) ammunition for criticizing the right's claim to rational thought, and that this is something that really does obscure the main issue.
I think my view here is undeniable, but I'm open to discuss it, if you like.
"numenius....just in case you missed it,to these Islamofacists,ANYTHING and ANYBODY who is not a Koran following nutcase like them,IS a military target. Get it??
Hey, Kate... thought you didn't tolerate this kind of thing, here!
Notthinkin's being a bad widdle boy, again!
Ha-ha!
Posted by: The Highwayman at January 25, 2009 10:02 PMUnreformed Islam should be unwelcome in any democracy. Most practioners are pious and peaceful, but their tenets offer protection and politcal cover to the worst terrorists on the planet. Therefore, in addition to being a religion, they are political subversives of the worst kind.
Posted by: ezag at January 25, 2009 10:06 PMUnreformed Islam should be unwelcome in any democracy. Most practioners are pious and peaceful, but their tenets offer protection and politcal cover to the worst terrorists on the planet. Therefore, in addition to being a religion, they are political subversives of the worst kind.
Posted by: ezag at January 25, 2009 10:07 PMPosted by: pleb at January 25, 2009 9:34 PM>
“It would thrill me to drag that son of a pig to the plane and throw is banged up carcass on board as it took him back to where he came from."
What the hell are you talking about plep??????????
Why would you waste money on a plane when a boat would do? Check out the Thailand government’s response – They pull the boats out into deep water currents then set them adrift. We could start a whole wooden boat industry in Canada with the failing US housing (Canadian lumber) markets.
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/250953,thailand-plans-investigation-into-immigrant-deaths.html
There are more way’s to skin a cat than just throwing money at fanatical Imam’s with free plane trips to Saudi Arabia. Better a workable financial plan that would benefit the Canadian economy and save the countries culture and freedom, like an economic one way cruise to the east coast of Africa, the long way.
Knight99,
What in the world are you talking about? You really ought to be addressing Pat there.
Why use wood, when you can use an ice floe?
Posted by: pleb at January 25, 2009 11:04 PMPosted by: pleb at January 25, 2009 11:04 PM >>
Oops.......apologies pleb. Must have been that darned horse that kicked me in the head last week. ;)
But I do think your ice flow suggestion may warrant some consideration, thanks. Wonder if we could put some of the sealers back to work if your suggestion panned out? They are after all dressed for the weather and have those cool looking ice pick booty things to prevent them from slipping, it would help keep some labor/ equipment costs down anyway. Not fond of the clubs though, me thinks some LA police riot stuff is some of the best on the market. They obviously need theirs though, but maybe Harper could send someone down to look at their used inventory?
But Fat Al Gore says the ice floes are all melting much more quickly these days! Oh wait, that actually works in our favour....
Posted by: Brian M. at January 25, 2009 11:56 PMCan anyone here fill me in as to why I can't get DMB or National Newswatch to load? I'm running Vista and Firefox, and ever since Darcey recently rebuilt his site, I can't access it from my home PC. It loads fine at work on XP and IE. Ditto for National Newswatch. It's almost impossible to load, and the problem cropped up right after Kate bumped them from her aggregators list. I can't get either site to load on my home PC, even when I try it on IE. Anyone have any ideas? (Sorry for the hijack.)
Posted by: Bill Greenwood at January 26, 2009 12:56 AMIt’s sort of like CNN's BIG Headline today..."Are refugee's being dumped at sea?"
The answer of course is obviously no, they came from the sea, how are they being dumped there?
Are violent Imam’s being deported dumped in sh*thole country’s to suffer “persecution”?………………..yea, whatever.
Bill G.:
If you upgraded to latest Firefox browser recently, it will have blocked certain feeds, so you'll have to go to the Options box and play...
Remember that is acceptable in Islam to lie to infidels as long as it advances Islam. So how do you tell when a Muslim is lying? Can we not assume that any discussion involving their death cult is nothing but misdirection, lies and a waste of time?
Free speech is one thing, but inciting and enflaming youth to suicide bomb and threaten an otherwise peaceful society is neither lawful nor desirable. The Toronto Star not surprisingly protects these murderous monsters by refusing to report it.
These known shiite disturbers should be set adrift on a Fat Albert Y2Kyoto ice floe, or in a pigskin kayak wired with explosives. Funny how the advocates of suicide bombing are never brave enough to demonstrate their dedication to their cause.
Posted by: Kevin F. at January 26, 2009 6:38 AMtaqiyya, kevin.
Posted by: old white guy at January 26, 2009 5:50 PMYeah.Funny thing about that,highwayman.Kate actually allows the truth and facts on her blog,not like the leftie ones where only emotions,rainbows,and unicorn farts are allowed.
Posted by: Justthinkin at January 26, 2009 11:17 PM