i've been wondering if Wilders issued a 'come and get me', just to get this dealt with.
But then I realised the film itself was a 'daring move.
He deserves our support...any links for that?

the war on terror is over until the next attack on US soil. (unless Bill Ayers is involved)

Mebbe this is what would have eventually happened to Theo van Gogh (had he lived)

Sign me, not surprised but utterly disgusted.

The "Bring-Home-Poor-Little-Omar-Khadr" poll over at the Slope and Pail is going horribly wrong.

Please vote before it becomes a crime.

Bring him back? To paraphrase a recent internet joke, let's see him convert a bear to Islam, first.

Maybe the US can grant him asylum. Or, if that doesn't work, maybe he could just blow some body/thing up in Afghanistan or Iraq and get himself entangled in our court system - he'll die of old age before he gets convicted of anything.

Terry Goodkinds series "The Sword of Truth" is basically about the struggle between liberty and fascism. It is a long series(12 books) and I recommend that you avoid the TV series, but all things considered it is very enlightening. The main character Richard Rahl is the leader of the free world but is against an unstoppable fascist collective that would enslave everyone who tries to do for themselves. In the end Richard realizes a few things:

First, he realized that he can not save the world. Even if he managed to defeat the army and kill the leader, someone will just step into his place. The enemy isn't a man, it is a self-loathing belief(religion), a belief that humans are ugly and evil.

Second, he realized that those who view life and humanity as evil can be coerced easily by promises of a utopian afterlife. People can do unimaginable things when they think that this world is but a stepping stone to a holier place so you can not extend mercy to those who are of this belief structure. They must be anilated.

So what was Richards solution? The solution was the only option available to him, failure. He realized that he and his army could make a final stand and lose; or, disband the army. The shroud of darkness would inevitably fall over mankind and that it must if mankind is ever to right itself. Talk about anticlimactic.

Fortunately for Richard, the Westlands and the Midlands he has the Sword of Truth and the Boxes of Oredon. He was able to send his foes to an alternate world where they could live their lives how they chose.

From what I can tell, it does seem like we are in a war that we will eventually lose. It is too easy to blame someone else for your woes than to take responsibility and get'er done. It looks to me like those who cherish freedom are out numbered by those who would destroy our democracy's and liberties by at least 10:1(conservatively). Can we possibly overcome these odds? I don't know; but, I think that Israel is the "bellwether" wrt this. We are all Israelis, and I believe that we will all share their fate, what ever that is.JMO

(related)

There is something profoundly cynical, my friends, in

the notion of paradise after death. The lure is evasion.

The promise is excusative. One need not accept

responsibility for the world as it is, and by extension,

one need do nothing about it. To strive for change, for

true goodness in this mortal world, one must acknowledge

and accept, within one’s own soul, that this mortal

reality has purpose in itself, that its greatest value is not

for us, but for our children and their children. To view

life as but a quick passage along a foul, tortured path –

made foul and tortured by our own indifference - is to

excuse all manner of misery and depravity, and to exact

cruel punishment upon the innocent lives to come.

I defy this notion of paradise beyond the gates of

bone. If the soul truly survives the passage, then it

behooves us – each of us, my friends – to nurture a faith

in similitude: what awaits us is a reflection of what we

leave behind, and in the squandering of our mortal

existence, we surrender the opportunity to learn the

ways of goodness, the practice of sympathy, empathy,

compassion and healing – all passed by in our rush to

arrive at a place of glory and beauty, a place we did not

earn, and most certainly do not deserve.

(Quote from The Bonehunters by Steve Erickson)

From what I can tell, it does seem like we are in a war that we will eventually lose... It looks to me like those who cherish freedom are out numbered by those who would destroy our democracy's and liberties by at least 10:1(conservatively). ~ Indiana Homez

Indiana, defying 10:1 odds is definitely doable after we defeat the enemy within our own ranks.

Indiana Homez, your post did not pass the troll test.

My definition of a troll includes any unwarranted excercise of my middle scrolling finger (I have a specialized 3D mouse).

Geert Wilders just had the guts to expose people to the extremism present in the Islamic context. The "War on Terror" is far from over, the other side has hardly conceded and they still believe they have much work to do!

Hamas seems to be undeterred and proclaiming a 'great victory' over Israel.

Maybe they will just call Wilders a Nazi because of his blond hair and blue eyes.

So the guy made a 'shock film', big deal. Maybe that is what a few people need to wake up. Geert Wilder's in some sense has done a service as he has outlined the "Submit or Die" mentality present within some parts of the Islamic cultural context. One needn't agree with the full breadth of his point of view, but he should be allowed to express it.

For some to say, "You are free to say whatever you want, the only penalty is that we will shoot you if we disagree. Alternately, we may cut your heads off." Most reasonable people will agree that this is not freedom, but simple intimidation.

In the western world you can make porn films, slasher horror films, films about genocide, western shoot em ups and so on. All films filled with grisly violence and/or exploitation. No one raises so much as a peep of protest. Citizens are expected, nay mandated to quietly accept it. It is all covered by 'freedom of expression'.

So the Dutch Court of Appeal has got its knickers in a knot that somebody said something offensive.
In western society we tolerate all kinds of offensive rubbish and now one gives a tinker's damn. Why should they start now?

They could cite the Court of Appeal for 'gross hypocrisy'. Imagine for a moment releasing a film unflattering to the Nazi regime in Berlin during the 1940's. The likelihood of prosecution would be very high, not to mention conviction or "summary sentencing". Governments inherently like control and abhor change. It is inconvenient to trouble the rabble (ie public) that there is danger afoot.

To use another cultural example, the Aztecs demanded a 'blood sacrifice' and engaged in cannibalism. Fear is also used as a political weapon, with a long history in many cultures.

I didn't see long violent protests when Mel Gibson's film Apocalypto came out by the descendants of the Mayas. Historically the Aztecs would have been the more 'bloodthirsty' than the Mayas, but that is a matter of some scholarly debate.

The reasons for violent behaviors may be distinct among certain cultures, but there should be no disagreement that there is indeed a pattern of violent behaviors.

Some within Islam have interpreted 'jihad' to mean offensive war against non-members of said religion. If one is going to make the claim that Islam is a "religion of peace" then it is incumbent on those making the claim to demonstrate same. It is not sufficient to suggest that there will be peace, when all dissenters have been violently crushed.

This is precisely the "argument" advanced by Hamas.

Cheers

Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief

Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North"

got a gun? keep it.

I want to get in on this racket. After reading Ezra Levant's piece, I am filled with hate. This court of appeals has incited hatred in me, hatred of the court of appeals because of their fascistic writings. Therefore, the court stands condemned of the same crime as Wilders, i.e., inciting hatred. Let them be tried first.

Maybe Wilder will get the trial the roos denied Ezra and Steyn.

Do you think they'll allow Wilder to make a mockery of them? To show the sheep that they can't be led to slaughter?

Custer's last stand or VE day. We'll see which.

Geert Wilders just had the guts... ~ Hans Rupprecht at January 22, 2009 4:44 PM

Hans I agree, this is a very brave person. I also agree with Ezra that Wilders will be vindicated because, even amongst high ranking lefties, the desire to pander to allochtoon seems to be waning.

"Wilders expects to be sent to prison"

Here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/024529.php

Sadly this reminds me of a joke I read once:

Satan was conducting a guided tour of hell. The tour group entered a chamber with three pots of boiling oil, all full of howling people. Around one pot was a ring of devils with pitchforks, catching people who escaped from the pot and pitching them back in. Around another pot were just a few devils, haphazardly watching for escapees. Around the third pot were no devils.

"Why are there so many devils around that pot and none around this one?" asked the tourists.

"Well, there where all the devils are is the pot for the Jews," said Satan. "They keep helping each other climb out of the pot. So we need a big guard to keep throwing them back in. In the second pot are the Germans. They never help each other, but occasionally a clever one manages to pull himself out. So we have to keep a few guards there. In the third pot are the Dutch. We don't need to watch that pot. Whenever one of those fellows crawls out, the others pull him back in."

The One has described the war on terror as a "twilight struggle" in his remarks today.

That's a rather apt image I suppose, our whole civilization is undergoing a twilight struggle, it would seem.

And the darkness is increasing.

I wonder what was in his mind to say "twilight struggle?"

He also said that America had not asked for this burden (to fight terrorism) but would in any case. This reveals a mindset in which foreign policy might shift to avoid future "burdens" which come with the territory for a nation that proclaims to the world, "In God we trust."

Wonder who God plans to carry the burdens once Obama gets out from under them? Canada, the one conservative nation left on earth? To quote Craig Ferguson ... "I know !!!"

Another indication that the war on terror is over comes from a comment made by none other than House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. When asked what was her most memorable moment of inauguration day she said it was seeing GWB leaving Washington. She said it was like having a ten pound anvil taken off of her shoulders (I guess anvils aren't very heavy in California).

This comment from one of the two leaders in Congress, operating with majorities and ended up with lower public approval ratings than the President - a Congress known for accomplishing less than any other Congress in the history of the US of A. How farcical!

I'm sure that GWB is much more entitled to feel that he has finally been freed from having to collaborate with what is surely one of the most incompetent and inept House leaders in American history. What an unmitigated loooooooooooooher!

Guess what? She has an equal in her counterpart in the Senate. Sheeeeesh! Is there any hope that BHO is any better?

"On 8 August 2007, Wilders opined in a letter[20] to the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant that the Koran, which he called a "fascist book", should be outlawed in the Netherlands, like Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.[21] He stated that: "The book incites hatred and killing and therefore has no place in our legal order."[22]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

Gert Wilders now has the opportunity to put Islam on trial. This is the unintended consequence of such an outlandish charge.

Islam's achilles heel is the sayings and actions of its prophet and the hate incited in the Quran, Sira and Hadiths. This is precisely why the OIC has pressed the UN for the defamation of Islam bill that it has passed. And that Holland, apparent by this charge, is supporting.

Islam is starting to unravel. It cannot be reformed without tossing Mohammad, all of the Hadeeth and much of the Quran under the bus.

Dr. Sami Alrabaa, an ex-Muslim, is a professor of Sociology and an Arab-Muslim culture specialist who taught at Kuwait University, King Saud University, and Michigan State University, has this to say:

"There are more than one billion Muslims around the world, and I’m one of them. We are told that the Koran is the “word of God.” When you read the Koran, however – which over 90% of all Muslims have never read, according to a survey by Bielefeld University in Germany, and if they ever do, either they do not understand its archaic language or they do not ponder on what it says – you find out that it is full of passages that incite to hatred, killing, and discriminate against women."

After quoting passage after passage from the trilogy, he says:

"That the vast majority of Muslims have not read or digested the Koran has two major implications. First, if rational, modern-thinking Muslims read the Koran thoroughly, they would desert Islam. They would argue that God cannot incite to hatred and violence. The Koran cannot be the “word of God.” Second, if simple-minded Muslims read the Koran and digested it, they would stick to the above “commandments” and we would have more radical and extremist Muslims around the world."

And,

"Further, the above quotations are intended to help critics of Islam present tangible evidence for their arguments. It is not enough to say, “I think, I believe, etc.” It is also not enough to say “I’m exerting my right of freedom of speech.”"

http://familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.2287/pub_detail.asp

I don't agree with Wilders opinion that the Quran should be banned. It is important that it and its sister texts are thoroughly exposed and infinitely accessible for verification.

Regardless, it makes no difference because of the internet.

Given the death fatwas issued against Rushdie and so many others, I'm curious when courts like this, including Canada's ridiculous HRC's aren't charged as criminal accomplices, or worse, much worse. Certainly it can be proven that death threats increase when these so-called courts prosecute and the media proliferates.

In the meantime, Wilders will get support. He needs to hire the best lawyers and PR professionals in the business.

The ideology of Islam may finally be put on trial. And that's good for all non-Muslims, regardless of political stripe, gender, ethnicity, believer or non-believer, or sexual persuasion. It's good for 'not true and pure' Muslims as well. Perhaps more so.

Bluetech,

Follow Robert Spencer's blog - Jihad Watch. He's got a petition up and he will let everyone know where to contribute.

If there was only one thing my parents did rite, it was leave that land of the stupid (netherlands), because this is not the first, tho maybe the most serious, really stupid decision from their damn courts

that Geert Weilder may be extradited to Jordan to stand trial and a death sentence proposed should wake every sane person from their reverie and protest for this brave man
where is the voice of Muslims that live among us in freedom that will end if we succumb to a radical Islam that threatens our world

I once feared Aids and other issues confronting our existence but not as I fear the end of democracy

Sheilasara:
I burst out laughing when I read your first sentence above. I've gotten dirty looks for it before, but I sometimes react that way when something strikes me as too absurd and horrible to be real.
Shaidle's got info. on supporting Wilders over at Five Feet of Fury.

Dead Pool on Civil War in Holland, or is that too sick too?

I propose a boycott of Dutch companies.

Umm does anyone know any Dutch companies?

Piper

My bad.

I was bored.

"Mebbe this is what would have eventually happened to Theo van Gogh (had he lived)"

VanGogh was charged with antisemitism. Lost in civel court and was fined, but was later acquitted for the same comments in a criminal court.

Next time someone insults Christians I'll take em to court. There are "heady" ppl out there that think they are above the "God" thing, because they believe themselves to be God, so one other is needed. They turn around and insult Christianity - yet they worship the libral mantra of tolerance...yet they are the most intolerant people going. There are radicals or plainly mentally ill people in every single religion in the world. Don't judge the whole lot because of extremists. There are mentally ill Schizophreniz athesists out there too. We don't here about them except when they are appointed head of universities....

See my comments on Ezra's blog for proposals about the need for international co-operation among free-speech advocates, and the probable need for political proactive solutions that might include a free North American homeland based in the west.

dutch companies.

Shell
Philips