That's awesome news! I wonder what turned the tide for the PM? The rallies on the weekend exposing what real hate is like? Or his confidence that he's going to be PM for another few years?

How timely, Kate. I was just about to forward a letter to various ministers detailing my reluctance to send the CPC any more money unless this issue started getting more prominence on the legislative agenda.

Maybe I'll send it out anyway.

"Members include lawyers from various branches of the department of Justice, including constitutional, human rights, criminal and Industry Canada branches."

If you know the DoJ, you'll know that this is just a whitewash. Nicholson hasn't taken a gutsy position on anything since he got the job. DoJ isn't going to make s13 go away, but they may strengthen it.

The present Prime Minister has always believed in Freedom of Speech.

Where's the original source of Barrel's info?

A stunning victory for the Plan-B party!

Maybe the PM started reading the user comments section of CBC's website? It's always been bad, but any article I saw concerning Gaza has been over the top lately.

Do you really expect the bureaucrats to rule against Section 13.1 ... if so you are living on another planet. The play-it-safe-don't-make-waves civil service types will take an eon and produce nothing but stay the course platitudes.

Blazingcatfur ..

No victory you just do not have patience.

what a clabber doom and gloom naysaying defeatists....

a move by gov't like this one sends a very strong nuanced message to certain low level fonctionnaires of the tribunal sort......

and if 'plan B' were the spur i'd be ashamed to be a conservative....i don't believe in undercutting my elected representatives because they don't move in the direction i think they should as quickly as i think they should...some of you folks have an anarchic streak in you...do you want gov't by those who shout the loudest or make the most provocative motions towards suicide ?

Harper is gearing up for majority action.

What this means is that if the CPC gets the majority it wants, Section 13 has the potential to be tossed without problems. I know of a couple of Liberals who are willing to break ranks to vote for the abolishment of section 13 (Goodale is one of them now, from what I understand.)

I'll keep an eye out, contact a couple of people, and see what's going on. I'll send a report to Kate once I get some conclusive evidence.

About F&%king time.

It should have happened 4 years ago.

When Harper starts to govern as a conservative I will no longer have to be ashamed John.

"Members include lawyers from various branches of the department of Justice, including constitutional, human rights, criminal and Industry Canada branches.", most of which, hopefully do not come from the bottom of the sea! Come and join the boarding party from the land of free men and free persons fighting the pirates of big government unions. If not, hope you have an in law that can get get you in on the 'fixed for life' con!

If they dump section 13 will that mean that Warman and his ilk will have to give back all the money they extorted? Oh please...please...!

Well, if there is going to be a committee, then presumably that committee will hold hearings. And hear presentations. Now is the time to be putting together a presentation, and to lobby for an opportunity to deliver it.

Blazingcatfur

You are living in dreamland.

If you cannot understand how fast this has moved up the government ladder from the grassroots base, then I don't know.

Do you think passed governments had there ear to the grassroots as much as this governent?

And if you are a conservative, why are you counting on the government to move fast on this issue????

Jdot Say what?

Begley: "Do you want government by those who make the most provocative motions towards suicide..."

In effect, yes, that's exactly what certain persistent naysayers are arguing for, but they're just not aware of it, and not thinking that far ahead to the point where they'd be thinking about the issue of who forms government; rather, they're indulging their poor impulse control, like some kid in a car that's doing a one-eighty on an icy highway saying "Daddy, I want ice cream!"

Vitruvius once used the apt metaphor of a ship of state as a giant, tanker-sized ship -- you can't just change direction in a second. In the case of Section 13, what with it's Lib-cultural bureaucratically-embedded barnacles, you can't necessarily just wipe it out of existence with a Zorro-esque flourish of the prime ministerial pen because something else would arise in its place, because of some prog "need" the next time the Libs or some coalition gets their hand on the wheel.

As Kathy Shaidle and others have noted, this is one of those issues where the change will be -- has to be -- more cultural than political. The public's attention has been drawn to the ridiculous, hypocritical excesses of Section 13 thugs by private citizens like Kate, Ezra, Kathy, Binks, Mark Steyn, Breakenridge, Rutherford, Adler, etc., and not by government. The most incontrovertible evidence of cultural shift on this issue can be found in comments at, say, the Globe and Mail or the Star, where a year and a half ago virtually all the commenters were not only strongly in support of Section 13, but would absolutely excoriate and call into question the motives and character of those nazi-sympathizers who supported its abolition; in the last maybe six months, that's been completely reversed, and it's not because of the pronouncements of politicians, or because CBC/CTV have been campaigning against S.13, it's because Canadians became aware of what was actually going on. In other words, it was private citizens, and some members of the media, who shifted the larger perception of the issue.

I don't expect that the Minister of Justice's departmental committee will "rule against" Section 13.1, but there will certainly be changes made, and that's a start. It's a long-term fight; Section 13 is a symptom of a much larger problem that's ultimately cultural.

The PM is obviously onside, but some people are completely unaware that he's got a different job than the rest of us.

WTF is Industry Canada doing in there? And turf the DOJ from the committee.Lawyers are after on thing only....more cases for more money.Where are Joe and Jane Doe on this committee. The ordinary one's who are getting f&&ked by the HRCs????? Agree with BCF. Like those Capital One ads,will be a cold day in hell before Sec 13 is turfed!!

Ezra Levant, Mark Steyn, Connie Fournier and Kathy Shaidle and Macleans Ken Whyte, would be prime candidates for presentations to kill the monster.

Rob Nicholson is suspect on this issue in my view, I could be mistaken however.

Oh.And BTW....just reviewed my stocks too.Thank God I dumped Nortel loooonnnnggg ago. A review??? There is nothing to review.This section is against a basic human right,freedom of speech.Oh yeah.THAT'S a merican concept.

I will believe this when I see something concrete.

Until that time this will remain nothing more than that favourite government snowjob tactic of a Royal Commission in everything but name.

It would seem to me that if the PM's name is on this thing then he's going to get the flack for doing nothing or the praise for "Gettin'r'dun".

This is what I call "progressive". Finally, at least they're officially, actively looking at it.

Meanwhile, unfortunately, down in the United States of Obamica...

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86215

A federal "hate crimes" bill that officially is to enhance punishments for "violence motivated by bias that is a relic of slavery" but is feared by Christians as a potential bludgeon against basic biblical teachings has been returned to the congressional agenda by Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas.

The proposal had been stymied during the Bush administration by the president's threat of a veto but President-elect Barack Obama's own website has promised an expansion of federal "hate crimes" laws.

I warned of this stuff coming from an Obama/Democrat victory. And this is just ONE of the scary things I've learned they're about to move fast and furious with, to radically Leftify America as quickly as possible in two years.

That is great news. I think Prime Minister Harper's smorldering sense genuine personal morality has begun to assert itself within his government (as evident by the most recent gutsy decisions his gov't has made on meaningful files in the past week or so).

As for section 13...I just wish that he didn't have to build a railroad to cross the room to turn out a light. But, who is John Galt.

You go Mr.Economics Background Guy and keep up the great work! You make Canadian proud and they don't even know it.

Criminal system doesn't even enforce the law on the books in this country.
The fact that this kangaroo system got set up and ran with impunity is just disgusting and astounding to begin with.
I can see that efforts are being made but I have not much hope that it's going to come out right, nothing by a bureaucratic committee ever does.

We live in a society where physically violent offenders suffer much less personal loss than someone who writes words that someone else "perceives" as offensive, and on the internet no less. Then they-CHRC lets one of their employees privately profit well from trumped up complaints filed from this kangaroo court system? A system where they/he can operate and easily manipulate from within?
Think they will let that be taken from them now they've been drunk on the 'god like power' they gave themselves?

Blazingcatfur

Sorry..

All I am trying to say is that I have never seen an grassroot issue move so far and so fast up the government agenda as fast as this issue has.

I just want to say I respect your view on this issue. But all I am saying is that the governemt of Canada, not the CPC of Canada, has moved at speeds I have never seen in a government(that is not saying much).

I just want you to know Blazingcatfur, I think you have done a good job on this issue.

The timing is highly suspicious. Friday afternoon, as he's about to table a spendthrift budget.

Okay, suppose Harper axes Sec. 13. And fires the SCOC and abolishes the Charter.

Then he introduces a budget which may as well have been written by Maude Barlow and Jim Stamford, featuring a $30-40 billion deficit, as he has announced he intends to do.

What's our move gang?

EBD - really well put. PMSH has to play the long game. Its the only way to do it.

I wonder what turned the tide for the PM? The rallies on the weekend exposing what real hate is like? Or his confidence that he's going to be PM for another few years?
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More likely the fear that he wouldn't be PM for another few years. His remarks the other day send the party faithful into meltdown mode and justifiable so. He and the cons must have been inundated with pissed off messages from across the country.

Well don't just bellyache about what may or may not happen - write to your MP and tell him/her what has to happen. Incidentally, if the PM calls something into question, clever bureaucrats do not opt for the status quo. They may drag their heels a bit but they do want their jobs to survive, so there will definitely be some changes recommended - just write to make sure they go far enough.

Maybe the PM realizes that he needs the enthusiastic support of the core of the party if he is going to fight off Ignatieff.

Maybe throwing us a bone will help allay our disgust at what is going to happen with the upcoming deficit spending he has been forced into participating in.

Frankly, it would work. Long term, protecting free speech is a more important issue than deficits.

What EBD said! Politicans, out of a natural survival instinct, endeavour to find out where the citizenry is going, then run up to the front of the line and "lead".

And what Kathy Shaidle said too on her own site: stop waiting for politicans to solve problems. You may have noticed that Kathy has been de-sensitizing section 13 by hilariously, even outrageously, non-complying on a daily basis.

And what Vitruvius said to, as per EBD's reference, the ship of state is a supertanker in a small harbour. It takes TIME.

And what F.A. Hayek said too about about institutional change. Slow is actually GOOD and less risky.

And finally, Sec 13 is operationally DEAD already after the thrashing Ezra gave it. The review is about deciding on the funeral details.

Need to stay right on top of this.
The chance that this will be a going through the motions exercise or worse an effort to legitimize the extinguishing of individual rights and freedoms is FAR too great.

Let 'em know!

Step by step the changing of the Liberal Party, with their assistance, as the Natural Governing Party is now a possibilty. It is not yet a sure thing. The changing demographics as the newer generations move into the positions of influence. The initial foolishly raised Baby Boomers, the ones first through the chute are being replaced. This not the scond or third cohort of Boomers, now lost in preserving their position and rendered impotent through fear for their pensions. The following demographic groups, whatever label is used did not have an easy time of finding their place in Society. This who PMSH represents and knows. All is porceeding as it should. Cheers.

EBD at January 16, 2009 7:24 PM

Exactly..

It is the long game.

i don't presume to know more about strategy and tactics than PMSH.....but i do know the party is just hanging on to power against the abominable trio of ambitious traitorous misfits...

so i don't intend to threaten or badger an already beleaguered party with anything like a 'plan B' from outer space....that's the reason i counsel patience and forbearance....

It sure seems like a difficult task to convince Conservatives to get out and vote Conservative. Maybe this move will motivate some media, and create a snowball effect.

At the end of the day, only the _culture_ matters. We have to keep changing/challenging Canadian culture, and render Section 13 an unenforceable joke.

God forbid: Stephen Harper and his whole cabinet could die in a plane crash. You can't wait around for some bigshot you'll never meet and who doesn't care about you to do the work for you.

Yes, Canadians are more concerned with quotidian matters, esp. in this economy. But they always have been. They roll out of bed, drive to Timmy's, drive to work, hate every minute, drive home, watch tv, back to sleep.

But...

What if they had a cause they could care about? That, dare I say it, brought a frisson of meaning and excitement to their hardworking lives? yes, they have families and friends, but what about people yearning -- possibly without even realizing it -- to be part of something bigger.

The free speech movement can be that cause. The fight against belligerent Islam can be that cause too.

As noted above, we see that in the sea change in public opinion on the web.

To all those Canadians who have taken the time to write a letter or send a supportive email to me, Ezra, Kate etc.

Thank you!

I almost don't believe it myself, but we really ARE making a difference.

Beats the hell out of recycling, huh? :-)

Not really dp, but conservatives need to feel that they are voting for a conservative party, not a warmed over version of the Liberal party.

I agree, Lori. But that's a rare bird, indeed.

Kathy Shaidle at January 16, 2009 9:16 PM

Great post.

The government can't just shut down a section. It just doesn't work that way. Collective agreements would have to be broken, wrongful dismissal hearings and remember they are not good lawyers but the rules are on their side. What you do is you kill the reputation simply by not protecting it. Remember too there are a lot of AA points in the commission and managers are rewarded for those. They can re-assign people to other HR jobs.

I think the PM will deal with it. There is a sort of ceasefire on this one. Ms. HRC is doing extensive travelling lately. Applying for work?

One hopes this works out well with the abolition of s13.

PS:Kathie...

Section 13 is the cause for you...

Workers comp, as a small buissness owner, for me..

Everybody is different......

Kathy Shaidle at January 16, 2009 9:16 PM: You're right. When you first floated this idea, a couple of weeks ago on your blog, that it's the culture and not the politicians, I twigged. I've been thinking about it a lot, and it's now ringing like a bell. I worked very hard for the CPC in the last election, and I will continue to work for, and contribute to, the party, but the CPC will not save us. Thanks so much for your insight. One of the most brilliant conservative minds in Canada today.

Remember, Harper is a leader operating within the rule of law, within a 'demos', a democracy where power rests with the people. He's not a Sovereign who rules with the flick of his sword. So, he has to operate by 'due process' - and that takes time and tedious step by step procedures.

I think this also shows, again, the power of the Internet and blogs, which have totally changed the political (and other) infrastructure. The Liberals have operated in a top-down authoritative system - 'informing' the public peasantry The Way It Is. That included their unilateral decisions about the Charter, the New Flag, etc, etc. That's also why the Liberals and the MSM, which operate in the same top-down manner, have been so close.

But the internet and blogs give power to express decisions, opinions etc - to each individual on the street. The Conservatives are a grassroots party, both in their fund-raising and in their lack of ties to established authority (eg PowerCorp, Desmarais..the Liberal backers).

I think that blog power is the key to a genuine democracy.

By the way, Kathy, some people actually do love their jobs. And we all require both the humdrum normative security of a job, a home, and these responsibilities - as well as a higher calling beyond these small tasks.

yes, this issue appears to be moving like molasses uphill in january, but it is moving.

o ye of little faith....

in the unlikely event that section 13 is still standing by the end of the decade - it might then be wise to consider trotting out the torches and pitchforks...

in the meantime, i wouldn't mind seeing a healthy budget cut for the chrc - just in case they haven't seen the writing on the wall or read richard moon's recommendations yet.

Kathy,

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ5YiQqrZCk

Kathy has made some great points.
I have yet to find anyone in my workplace that has a clue about Section 13.

"Is that the funiture aisle at Walmart?"

We have some work to do.

This is what should happen.

Cut section 13 from CHRA now. Don’t debate it, take it out and delete it.
Now let us see if there is a need for something like that. No there is not.
We are done.

To create a commission to debate such fascisoid piece of garbage is gross.
Ok lawyers need to make money to you may say. They should get a job like everyone else.

A commission of non lawyers should be established to have final say on these things, rather then above mentioned, hereafter, therefore, thereunto, and so on and so forth.

No need to point to preceding paragraph, I know.

Where did Barrelstrength get the info?

ET: "That included their unilateral decisions about the Charter, the New Flag, etc, etc." The New Flag continues to bug me as well. Maybe when we get the majority...we can get the real one back. Just kidding, it will never happen :)

The AHRC has made a farce of these laws because I remember watching the Ezra videos on the internet where he was allowed to repeat several "hate-Crime" comments to the fascist thug at the HRC hearing .
YES folks.....if the comments and Allegeations towards islam are hate-crimes then they must have also been Hate-crimes when the HRC worker sat there and heard them repeated and yet did not stop them.

Basicaaly, the Charter Of Rights and RCMP have no power according to the AHRC when THEY spew hate or allow the yHate to be repeated in public on the Internet.

Example 1

Ezra detail the backbround of a fascist thug that works for his Saudi masters that behead people,execute females for minor offences ,murder gays,spew hate for jews,refus to allow a Chucrh on saudi soil,and deny females the luxury of a driver License .
All of the coments would be a Hate-Crime if I posted them on my Blog because it generalizes and condemns an entire Religion which IS the face of the saudis on their soil.

Example 2

The SCOC will often refuse to allow Kiddie Porn or Child-Abuse images to be viewed to the public during a Legal ruling by them for the artistic merit,canadian Media WILL NOT show on TV or the Internet any of the Child-Abuse and Quasi-Pedophilia during the Gay parades where naked male expose themselves to little boys while the othe gay people on the route take Picture to post on their websites for consumption.

The CHRC must be reviewed and given a "Defines" mandate so they know their limits and must forward the bogus complaints to the REAL Courtrooms for a REAL trail where the LOSERS learn to pay for their own hurt feelings.

It can't be both ways , if free-speech has limits to keep them civil and don't promote hate then how can the AHRC allow that same HATE-SPEECH to be recorded on video and then posted on the Internet which shows a HRC worker doing nothing to stop Ezra from telling the truth about the Islamofascists.

If a Muhammad-Cartoon was so offensive that it caused 150 murders worldwide from the Quranic rage in the trailer Park Mosques , then why weren't all those overt fascist Posters at pro-Hamas rallies equally offensive and could have caused 150 murders worldwide from the Synagogue Rage.

I really doubt the Police or RCMP will arrest even 1 Muslim from these rally videos because the Chrater Of Rights and our Courts will not Convict the Mentally ill who have no self-control or awareness of what they are doing.
Syed Ryan and CUPE will never be held responsible for their action becasue the Police and Public in general know that these types of leaders and Unions draw in the people with very low IQ's that can't see the Ponzi-Scheme fraud by the Unions that charge a Kick-Back fee to get you the job and salary .
CUPE workers forfiet their Rights to Sue for wrongful dismissals during cut-backs and have no recourse to oppose the Senior memebers of the Pyramid Scam who do less work,shorter hours,get more holidays ,better pensions and many other benefits.
The CUPE Ponzi scam is an Invert-Pyramid foisted on the Tax payers who don't realize that it will one day get so heavy and bloated it collapses on them when the Private workers can't pay enough taxes to keep the scam going .
More and more CUPE jobs are only "paper-pushers" sharing the same Social Service Cheques to Welfare cases and Health Care demands,and the proof is when we have a Long-weekend or snow storm where large numbers of senior Union members use their "Sick-Days" to stay at home or shop at the stores staffed by non-Union people.
Can their job be that important if CUPE workers can get 4-6 weeks holidays and 12+ sick-days along with all the regular Holidays ?

CUPE and the CAW have become Political Bodies where some workers have good jobs from the Taxpayers, and others are forced to Assemble American cars from the jobs they took from Americans and Mexicans.

Harper should take a good look at the bogus "Charity" status Orgs that have Morphed into Propaganda-Wings for Islamists and Terrorists and try to hide behind Union rallies to support Human Rights and Justice for Palestine.

BTW, this weekend should have more Useful Idiots out at these fascist rallies with Pro-Jihad calls to murder jews and canadian civilains.
Please go to them with PalmCorders or video phones to get the evidence that Pro-hamas organizers will not be able to claim they DIDN'T see or know of a few nutbars that Hijacked the Peacefull protests.

I have yet to see the MSM show any of the violence and death Threats to canadians by the mainly Mulis mobs pretending to be Christian palestinians upset over gaza.

Good news but also a postponement.

This needs a two line bill not a twenty person committee.

Plan B proceeds apace.

Once again I agree with Harper both in method and intent. For PMSH to wave his prime ministerial wand and eliminate the HRC sec 13 would be grounds for his unelection and immediately upon his removal the HRC sec 13 would be immediately reinstated and possibly increased powers. PMSH
"Doing it right the first time".

I don't believe a bloody thing will be done about sec 13. It's all B.S. to placate a few in the CPC party so it can go on governing as the PC party.

Publish on the internet the names, home phone numbers, home addresses of every HRC tribunal member and the addresses and numbers of their close family members along with their photos.

That will do more to disarm the HRCs than expecting the government to do anything within the next century.

WTFTHSL!!! As in "What the F Tk Hm So Long"? This shit should have been dealt with by now and not an issue any more. Get on with it!!!

"the Commission has serious concerns about the content of a number of articles concerning Muslims that have been published by Maclean’s magazine and other media outlets. This type of media coverage has been identified as contributing to Islamophobia and promoting societal intolerance towards Muslim, Arab and South Asian Canadians. The Commission recognizes and understands the serious harm that such writings cause, both to the targeted communities and society as a whole. And, while we all recognize and promote the inherent value of freedom of expression, it should also be possible to challenge any institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions.
The Commission intends to further consider these issues in the coming months as it embarks on its new mandate, which places a renewed emphasis on addressing human rights tension and conflict through inquiries, consultation, public education, policy development and constructive debate and dialogue."
Ontario Human Rights Court Jan.16 2009 Newsletter

The bureaufats return with gubmint "code" fire.
Sorry about the long cut and paste.
http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/resources/news/statement

I'm with Mark and bluetech.

Where is the source for this story?
Funny how people don't like to question things they want to believe.

For me, when I see Harper hang his political ass in the wind for Canadian conservatives the way he has for the average Israeli and Chinese citizen, I'll be impressed.

Til then, he's just another self-interested politician making decisions based on what will keep him in power.

At this rate, by the time Harper executes a successful strategy to woo Toronto and Quebec into his fold, he'll have lost those of us who brought him to power in the first place. Then, he'll be just another psuedo-liberal party, aka the Mulroney tories.

Sigh.

the 'ol 'long game' crap surfaces yet again.

Like a bad cold, the delusional in here quickly forget about the failed Accountability Act, 42% increase in spending in 4 years of governance, and the minor issue that federal taxes increased in 2009 - despite $54 billion in cumulative surplus pulled in by the federal government over the past 5 years.

This is like living in an episode of The Flintstones.

No wonder politics in Canadia look the way they do.

Canadian Observer.. I am with you. I have been active at the creation of the party and at the convention Montreal. It seems like CPC is run by stuffers drawing pooping birds and Harper with the help of Flaherty becoming an imposter as any other politician - pretending to be a leader while only reacting.
Stimulus Schmulus. You can not print money fast enough to cover rapidly shrinking capital in the global economy. This is not a garden variety recession coming that will pass in a year or two. We are dealing with Economic Transformation perhaps unknown in human history - the effect of last 150 years of economic expansion - also unprecedented in history. The only sensible way to seduce capital or what would be left of it from world markets would be to abolish income tax.
I don't see any politician to take that lead, however what concerns me is that times are accelerating and Harper is obnoxiously sluggish. This not nineties anymore, wake up and stop making mistakes any other politician would do!

What do Lawyers dream of at night? Seriously.

"""""This not nineties anymore, wake up and stop making mistakes any other politician would do!"""""

absolutely, lets Obamafie kanadian politics, and do it ****NOW****, CHANGE AND HOPE AND HOPE FOR CHANGE, because change is all you will get, and dollars is what you will need!!!!

So is this actually happening then? Or is it an urban legend like Jesus the hitch-hiker?

It should happen. No doubt about that part.

Possibly when Ezra ran into the brick wall on his blog a couple of weeks ago, if you recall, many posted comments saying they were unable to take any more of the "strategy" and would prefer some "action." (this following the Macleans interview) ... I am sure this was noted at the highest levels of power. Well, it should have been.

We may have crossed the Rubicon, hurray.

I don't believe that the only human rights abusers in Canada are white men. Yet 100% of the charges laid by this tribunal have been against white men.

Harper could create peace in our time and end starvation,the media would still hate him.

Something like Hamas, only his complete illimination will do.

Posted by: richfisher at January 17, 2009 12:57 AM

"... which places a renewed emphasis on addressing human rights tension and conflict through inquiries, consultation, public education, policy development and constructive debate and dialogue."

Well, that's great news, isn't it? Because, if nothing else, the HRCs are certainly all about "constructive debate and dialogue". Just ask Ezra Levant, Scott Brockie, the BC Knights of Columbus, the Toronto plastic surgeon who paid damages because he was reluctant to perform a labiaplasty on a post-op transsexual, the restaurant owner who's nearly gone bankrupt with HRC costs at the behest of some pot smoker asked not to toke up in the restaurant, the Mississauga stripper who's launched a HRC case because her club sacked her for getting a bit old & wrinkly...

I'm very optimistic for the future, actually.

mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm

Posted by: richfisher at January 17, 2009 12:57 AM

lawyers are looking at it. hmmmmm. what are the chances that anything will improve?

The great liberal betrayal is the removal and usurpation of our constitutional rights of free speech by the Liberal Fascist heirs of Classic Liberalism.

John Mortimer fought throughout his life for the right to free speech, from the Oz Trial to the Sex Pistols 'Never Mind The Bollox' case.

Yet the gains he made for Englishmen to reclaim their ancestral rights and liberties of total free speech in our lands were betrayed by those who called themselves 'Liberals' but who imposed the fascistic thought crime and hate crime laws of Maoist Political Correctness.

Do not call this crawling, servile, lickspittle of a residual liberty that we scarce possess 'free speech'.

What we endure is not free speech, it is the slow poisoning of our nation through the totalitarian repression of language - for whosoever controls the language of a people, defines the nature of their society.

The criminalisation of words is the antithesis of the open society.

Any words that are criminalised become weapons of coercion for repesssive states.

What if the word that is a crime is freedom itself.

What if the very concept of freedom, the very notion of free thought and the ideal of liberty were all made crimes - what then of man.

Whosoever commands the language of a people, controls the people.

The liberal betrayal is the creation of a Closed Society, repressive and Urizenic that weaves constant webs of repression in order to denude the indiviuality of its citizens.

Orwell imagined the future as a jackboot stamping on a face forever - the future is a lexicon of political correctness stamped by the state into the minds of children, a new Red Book of the Liberal Lexicon for the drones to parrot.

"For PMSH to wave his prime ministerial wand and eliminate the HRC sec 13 would be grounds for his unelection"

If removing Sec. 13 would be the kiss of death, Harper should go at it the other way.

Pass legislation requiring investigations and hearings to use presumption of innocence, discovery, full disclosure, speediness, inadmissibility of hearsay, etc.

Both Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn were hoping for convictions so they go get into courts that observed those legal niceties; why not start with them in the first place?

Maybe an omnibus bill declaring all legislation with the number 13 must be passed again with a less unlucky number (as with buildings that have no 13th floor)?

Okay, I'm not a lawyer.

BUT THAT'S NOT MY ONLY VIRTUE !!!

"i don't believe in undercutting my elected representatives because they don't move in the direction i think they should as quickly as i think they should"

exactly

Quote-

And, while we all recognize and promote the inherent value of freedom of expression, it should also be possible to challenge any institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions.

Unquote-

Now maybe I'm old fashioned,
but "institution that contributes to the dissemination of destructive, xenophobic opinions" pretty much is the definitive definition on Islam in my view.

schemes like 'plan B from outer space'are redolent of the socialist style agitation i've seen going down for a lifetime...

what could be wiser...more prudent than threatening the government one espouses...and in the most fundamental manner...what's that old tag ?

'cutting off one's nose to spite one's face "

why a 180 degree change in the methodology that has brought advances on the issue which concerns us
makes any kind of sense escapes me...it may make for good street theatre .....is that what this is about ?

This is good news. At least they see a problem. In the end its up to us to badger them into change about free speech. Particularly the silence from the MSM at the hate rally's is any indicator of how news is now covered in this Polity. Just think if we where not even allowed to photograph them, least it bring them into odium. While Ottawa’s PC crowd tries to hide the antics of these race baiters.
This whole thing has focused the fact that these censors are so out of tune with reality, they now stand naked as fools conniving with there would be killers to shut us all up. Mean while the toilets of Canada are safe from Nazi defacement.

and really...let's really get real here...while 'plan B from outer space ' has a certain juvenile appeal it sure reminds me of the 'sticking it to the man" ethos.....i'm a conservative...among other things being a conservative relies on the rule of law...an inherent faith in the process in place and a prudent patient 800 year old methodology in TRULY 'sticking it to the man'...whomever THAT appears as in the latest everchanging diorama of politics...

but i withhold support from those wishing to upset the apple cart into a socialist gutter and expecting a tart tatin to appearin their hand .....

all land of cockaigne nonsense...fully cooked geese strutting along a road of gold waiting for us poor sinners to grab a drumstick as they go by...

nope..it takes focus perseverance and faith...and patience...

you've the best government in 25 years under a sword of Damocles and you want to play juvenile games with it's existence?

What then, is to stop the conservative party from dropping all remaining shreds of conservatism in pursuit of the middle of the road vote? Some of us were reformers and while we may agree with moderation of views to widen appeal,There has to be a limit.Plan b is a line in the sand.Freedom of speech is too important to treat as a straw man. how far can we go to placate the latte leftists in Toronto and still be conservative?
Playing your game, there will be no recognizable conservative values left,then we will have to start again .Your "wisdom" is apathy.

'plan 5 from outer space' is the exact counterpart to the 'coalition' desirous of our friends...

i wonder if not the clown conceiving of this strategy is a lllieberal agent provocatuer...

let's get real as i say...why would one wish to destroy the political movement
that finally brought substantive change to the status quo...unless thatfool was a subversive...

why else expalin a suicidal ultimately self destructing initiative such as this ?

That's great, John Begley, we'll see how detached you are when you're the one expected to account for your opinions to a court of Liberal Party members looking for some extra spending money.

"the Commission has serious concerns about the content of a number of articles concerning Muslims that have been published by Maclean’s magazine and other media outlets. This type of media coverage has been identified as contributing to Islamophobia and promoting societal intolerance towards Muslim, Arab and South Asian Canadians"

Some have argued that the commission itself was full of jihadi-leaning Muslims. It's all about crushing dissent, just like Hitler did, just like Stalin did.

I know I'll never vote Conservative again unless Harper does the Maddison jump tomorrow!!!!!

Is this a fake report? We do not have an official source for this supposed setup of a panel to review Section 13. What would be the reason to produce a false report? Perhaps someone wanted to see the response on SDA and its allied sites. It could be to torment the people suffering under the Kangaroo Courts or it could be to goad some to action against the HRC war machine.

SDA is the one conservative web site in Canada that could seriously harm Harper politically. There was a pointed effort to make sure SDA etc. knew about this report. Is there some connection here?

prudence...patience...Kenney is obviously the cat's paw for PMSH...as i've said before Kenney's previous remarks and the statement yesterday have sent a clear yet nuanced message to Canada's collective enemies ......the various tribunals and HRCs will have got it....and our Muslim friends in the official aggrieved Zionist-occupier-bashing business will get it eventually....i expect arrests and charges for unfurling their despicable flags will be coming soon.

This will all be billable hours costing the taxpayers millions unless the lawyers can be minimized. Kind of like asking the fox how good the security is in the hen house. nudge nudge wink wink. I agree. Start with Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant send the lawyers to Iran with the HRC and the can play a rousing game of let's kill the infidels as they run through the caves looking for the religion of peace.

Based on experience, this is BS. Like the people listed have any spine for actually upholding natural rights:'

"Members include lawyers from various branches of the department of Justice, including constitutional, human rights, criminal and Industry Canada branches."

All the usual suspects that sit aside as our rights are eroded.

Good luck, Canadians. Down here we're dreading the advent of the Obamanation. I'm afraid this character is going to make Clinton look honest and conservative by comparison.

You have to wonder how, in a nation with 300 million people, we ended up with two such losers as the only real choices for the highest office in the land. We're probably in for our own Section 13 very soon, and I'm afraid it would have happened whichever candidate was elected. Conservatives in this last election had no real choice other than Sarah Palin. One wonders if we'll ever get another one.