Canada stood alone before a United Nations human rights council yesterday, the only one among 47 nations to oppose a motion condemning the Israeli military offensive in Gaza.
In addition to its recent adoption of an Islamic-sponsored agenda item that singles out Israel for permanent scrutiny, the [Human Rights Council], since being established in June 2006, has directed all of its country censures, now numbering eleven, against the Jewish state. The only other country addressed has been Sudan, though instead of issuing condemnations, the council has praised Khartoum's "cooperation" and repeatedly called for further reports.
The United States, regarded as Israel's greatest ally, is not a member of the council
Update: I meant to link to this earlier - "Go Canada!
Good for Harpo!
Perhaps, he will soon take a principled stand on the HRCs. His failure to provide leadership on that issue merits much more attention from the Head Honcho of Con-Blogging.
Posted by: texan at January 13, 2009 9:35 PMGood day to be Canadian!! Not only did we not vote in favour of the Destroy Israel petition but our very own "Lady Kate" won Best Conservative Blog in the Known Universe.
Ya-ba-da-ba-DOO!!!
Pat
Posted by: Pat at January 13, 2009 9:38 PM"Along with Arab states, countries backing the resolution included Russia, China and Brazil."
Gee.Why am I not surprised? Canuckistan should do the REAL principled thing and get totally out of this farce council. I notice they closed the comments.After a quick perusal,I can see why. About 98% where siding with PMSH. Glad the Israelis are finally in Gaza City. Push them into the sea!!!!
Forget about just withdrawing: it is time to END the parasitical despotic farce called the UN.
Posted by: Dave J at January 13, 2009 9:47 PMThe UN is an ugly organization - let's shut it down (and the CBC while we're at it)
Congratulations Kate / Small Dead Animals - love your work!
Posted by: Beer and Popcorn at January 13, 2009 9:57 PMThe sad thing is a bunch of countries decided to abstain which is about the same as voting present.
Posted by: Iain at January 13, 2009 9:58 PMThe Star: "The vote before the Geneva-based body shows the Stephen Harper government has abandoned a more even-handed approach to the Middle East in favour of unalloyed support of Israel, according to some long-time observers."
Thank God for the end of even-handedness: see where that's landed us.
Now, I wish PMSH would be somewhat less "even-handed" on few other issues.
Posted by: lookout at January 13, 2009 9:59 PM..Got backbone?...it does a country good!!.....damn good time for "Western Re-awakening"!
Posted by: spareadime at January 13, 2009 10:04 PMNow THAT makes me proud to be a Canadian.
Posted by: Moose Javian at January 13, 2009 10:08 PM"Along with Arab states, countries backing the resolution included Russia, China and Brazil. Among those abstaining were Britain, France, Japan and South Korea."
Canada's the only one with enough intestinal fortitude to stand against the motion. That sure is a change from the 90's.
I'd like to see the other champions of freedom named, the article only lists three.
Who are they?
Posted by: dmorris at January 13, 2009 10:09 PMTo all those who decry the (perceived) lack of conservative principles in our conservative government, take heart. Have faith. When it counts, our government is there.
This in itself makes me prouder than I have almost ever been to be Canadian.
Imagine, a Canadian government that actually stands on principle in international matters!
When have we last seen that?
Once a flabby, cowardly, Chretien-bellied, none-entity. Now a voice of justice. Yay. Yay, I say. Let the terrorist, Hamas-sucking, barbarians take heed. Canada, as a nation, does not stand with you. You have no place here. Take to your heels and go back to the cesspools of depravity from which you came.
We stand with our Jewish brothers and sisters against you. You will never prevail.
Posted by: INP at January 13, 2009 10:15 PMI heard this on CBC radio yesterday and thought I was hearing things.
I have goose bumps, I feel so proud, Canada stook a stand, Canada grew a pair!
I'm a bit in shock.
Posted by: ex-liberal at January 13, 2009 10:18 PMI knew I voted for the right guy! (see, even in Ontario we are not all dough-heads)
Go PMSH and Go Israel!
Posted by: Brian M. at January 13, 2009 10:20 PMHarper has lot's to be critiqued for ... but not his position in this regard. Well done Stephen! We appreciate your attempts to stop the next Holocaust.
Posted by: Aizlynne at January 13, 2009 10:21 PMCease-fire on both sides.
Peace to ALL nations.
Posted by: set you free at January 13, 2009 10:23 PMCanada's previous "even handed approach"??? I guess that means previous Liberal government's approach. I am old enough to remember when the Clark government of 1979 (and remember Joe Clark can hardly be described as a conservative)was all in favour of moving the Canadian embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
Posted by: Norm Matthew at January 13, 2009 10:23 PM...One Country stands against anti-semetic/terorist sympathizers. Proud to be Canadian.
Posted by: Norseman at January 13, 2009 10:54 PMSo can we expect a congratulatory letter/phone call from PMSH to our beloved Kate? Now that would take some courage...
Posted by: Gord Tulk at January 13, 2009 10:56 PMSleep well tonight Canada, once again, this small but mighty country stands up for what is right but not popular and SDA rules , all is well!
Posted by: janet at January 13, 2009 11:00 PMI'm very proud our gov't was the only one to stand against the mob!
And congrats Kate - hope you'll still talk to us!
Posted by: Agent Smith at January 13, 2009 11:06 PMYou can not be an honest broker without first being honest. Hamas is at fault here and responsible for this.
I would like to see a Twilght Zone episode were Ryan from CUPE gets to live in a place like Sderot for the last eight years, see where he stands after that.
Posted by: Iain at January 13, 2009 11:09 PMYA, ditto on the goosebumps. It ain't often I hear sumfin on de newz these days and go, "YEA CANADA. Dun us PROUD!"
Despite 20 YEARS of typical UN hand-wringing and contributing the likes of Stephen Lewis, Cretin's brother and Maurice STRONG to the UN a few more votes like this, where we are seen to do the RIGHT THING, will bring us honour and respect - not more hand-wringing!!
Posted by: DAVE-Y at January 13, 2009 11:11 PMIt's about time we took a stand, easy to weasel out with an abstention. This sends out a much louder message.
I'm afraid that many muslims are not to be trusted, and the ones that are won't speak out.
I compare this to a cult that my sister was involved with for many, many years. She virtually closed her eyes to all the attrocities that were going on around her (to her children) as she was completely brainwashed. It took many years for them to recover (as best they can). My fear is that this is similar and that no matter what is said/done, mothers will still be willing (and proud?) to send their children to death as a suicide bomber. If it is that they believe that they are better off in death, what does that mean for the rest of us?
And congratulations Kate, with such a close race it was a time when really every vote did make a difference. But next time I won't have my 24 hours end at 1am.
Posted by: Anne (not from Cornwall) at January 13, 2009 11:12 PM
I agree with Harper 100% on this but you just know that the media will use this against the Conservatives in the next election. The question will likely be phrased something like this:
"Mr. Harper, did your conscience not bother you back in January when Canada was the only country amongst 47 that voted against a UN vote seeking peace in the Gaza dispute?"
Just wait!
Posted by: Robert W. at January 13, 2009 11:27 PMSomebody email that to Don Cherry . . . he'll rip a few new butt holes for the usual supspect complaining crowd.
A damn proud day to be a Canadian - voting against the UN asswipes and for what is right.
Posted by: Fred at January 13, 2009 11:30 PMI have the solution for getting America back to work. (well at least part of the solution) They get General Motors, Ford and Chrysler to cooperate on building the world's biggest, most awesome bulldozzer. It will be the width of 3 football fields (Canadian football, that is) and about 8 stories high.
They fire up that Mother, line her up against the United Nations building and doze that peice of shit into the New York harbor.
Get rid of that absolutely useless piece of crap and do it NOW.
Posted by: a different bob at January 13, 2009 11:40 PMThis is pathetic...we truly are the US's little bitch of a brother. The only one in 47...reminds me of that video of George Bush lining up with the world's leaders and no one acknowledging him. We're isolating ourselves with such acts. Hasn't Canada historically been a nation to stand with the world, seems we're standing in the shadow of the US more and more these days.
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 13, 2009 11:42 PMFrom Wiki:
On 20 June 2007, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon issued a statement that read: "The Secretary-General is disappointed at the council's decision to single out only one specific regional item given the range and scope of allegations of human rights violations throughout the world."
Also considering Canada voted against and there were 13 absent votes, looking at the makeup of the UNHRC makes me think there were many that voted "for" should be the focus of the UNHRC themselves.
Posted by: allan at January 13, 2009 11:43 PMKate: Your heading states "Canada Stands Alone" Well of course Canada Stands Alone. And, its lonely at the top - right where Canada stands. Canada will never give up the high ground - not as long as Harper leads this country. No one should ever forget that.
Posted by: a different bob at January 13, 2009 11:45 PMI'd like to see the other champions of freedom named, the article only lists three.
Who are they?
I emailed the Star this morning using the typo/correction/complaint form politely asking why readers hadn't been supplied with a full list of the other 43 countries, but, oddly enough, I haven't received a reply from them yet.
And the comments section was closed down very early too--by 10:30 a.m. at latest.
Posted by: andycanuck at January 13, 2009 11:45 PMdeezflowers - looks to me like you would feel right at home living in Gaza or Lebanon. Pack your sh-t. I'll pay for your one-way ticket.
Posted by: a different bob at January 13, 2009 11:49 PMProud we did this. This is showing moral spine against evil intentions.No matter the cost.
Posted by: Revnant Dream at January 13, 2009 11:54 PMso where are the kudos for PMSH ?
after all..notwithstanding his tactical reluctance to address the ongoing CHRC problem and the domestic anti-semitic muslim assault on our integrity he directed government to do DO THE RIGHT THING here...
I can only say, thank you Canada, for being courageous in the face of such lunacy.
Posted by: Shannon Bell at January 14, 2009 12:13 AMlookout... "The Star: 'The vote before the Geneva-based body shows the Stephen Harper government has abandoned a more even-handed approach to the Middle East in favour of unalloyed support of Israel, according to some long-time observers.'"
I'm so glad the Star had some long time observers on hand!
So being the only country to vote against these singular condemnations of Isreal is an end to even-handedness? Wouldn't that be the opposite - injecting even-handedness into the roster of 'world opinion'? Reminds me of the time the Globe or the Star quoted some sociologist who argued that fearful Americans go and huddle in churchs while community loving Canadians gather at... Tim Hortons. It's amazing how much you can delearn at university.
And how fruitless it is to analyze Star news/opinion for good sense.
Posted by: da wolfe at January 14, 2009 12:14 AM"Even-handedness" is way over rated. I'm curious to know what the left's "even-handed" approach would have been between the jews and the nazis, or between a fireman and a fire.
Posted by: DrD at January 14, 2009 12:27 AMThe only country of 47 that failed to condemn Israel's terrorism
WHY?!?
The Government and the Opposition are quisling Israel puppets
It must suck to be a neocon Israel-buttlicker these days.
It's like being Jeffrey Dahlmer's fans.
But I do understand the Israeli side of the story. I wrote this to document the agony of Sderot as they are under the Qassam rocket seige.
http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/the-other-side/
Oh and I must commend the blog owners for managing to corral such a collection of knuckle-dragging goon morons in one place.
The last time I saw something like that was at a Red Friday rally.
Posted by: anarchore at January 14, 2009 12:39 AMProud day Mr. Harper!
You legitimized my vote.
Thanks again for showing Canadians will not participate in madness or be bullied into doing so!!!!!!!!
I wonder if they will murder an effigy of you in the streets again tomorrow? We’ll stand behind you.
Lovely anachore, lovely. So please read the latest post at my blog and tell me... does it rate 'knuckledragger' to you? Maybe you're the bigot.
Posted by: da wolfe at January 14, 2009 12:52 AMa different bob: Isn't it great to be part of such an open-minded and positive country!
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 14, 2009 12:56 AM"I wonder if they will murder an effigy of you in the streets again tomorrow? We’ll stand behind you."
Did they really do that? Did they murder our Prime Minister in effigy??? Why is this the first I have heard of this? Where is the MSM on it? Do you have a link/video?
Posted by: Hunter at January 14, 2009 12:57 AMTime to end the United Nazis once and for all. The best way to do that is simply ignore them, just like Israel is doing.
The quickest way to peace in Gaza is Victory.
Posted by: bcf at January 14, 2009 12:57 AMCanadians should be proud of our nations stand against the toxic marriage of right wing religious fascism and left wing mealy mouthed hypocrisy.
Posted by: Bart F. at January 14, 2009 1:03 AMbcf: What would you define as "victory"? Kill every palestinian? Effective religious cleansing?
Bart F.: Is the US not a country with the characteristics of right wing religious fascism? How about Israel? They have a right wing government, you can't argue that it's religiously based, and fascist...well, with a military complex like they have. Can you also tell me what the characteristics of "fascism" are?
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 14, 2009 1:08 AMPosted by: Hunter at January 14, 2009 12:57 AM >
There are lots of sites with the video of Palestinians symbolically killing Harper by smashing a poster sized photo in the streets the other day and stepping on it.
Should be a video on………….. ezralevant.com ……………..Canada’s best blog award winner 2008!
am i goin crazy? am i the only canadian that doesn't like to see anyone, ANYONE! hurt, killed, destroyed? most of these comments are ridiculous, educate yourself about the plight of the palestinian people...check out a film called Occupation 101. If any other country was to try to control canada with military force and just randomly hurt and kill our people wouldn't we want someone to stand up for us? please inform yourself about the facts and put yourself in someone elses shoes.
Posted by: jornknows at January 14, 2009 1:18 AMsaying it isn't right to single out Israel's attempts to protect her citizens like this isn't the same as wanting to see anyone killed. They should be condemning Hamas for doing this to Israel and Palestine. One-sided condemnation like this is what motivates Hamas - they know they can't win the war, but they can damage Israel this way. That's why I'm proud to be Canadian today.
Posted by: da wolfe at January 14, 2009 1:43 AMBart F.: Is the US not a country with the characteristics of right wing religious fascism? How about Israel? They have a right wing government, you can't argue that it's religiously based, and fascist...well, with a military complex like they have. Can you also tell me what the characteristics of "fascism" are?
Posted by: Deezflowers at 1:08 AM
one should wait for another's post that define the individual before making a final ASSesment of that individual, so I'll thank you for this post for that reason. My assesment of you is that you are ignorant of fact. Except for a small group of religious rightwing (orthodox) zeelots Israelis are mostly lefties, as are most jews. Isreal has a significant kommunist party even. So they do not have many rite wingers to choose from to make a RW gov't, that they have a RW gov't is only in your mind!!!
"Hasn't Canada historically been a nation to stand with the world, seems we're standing in the shadow of the US more and more these days."
Deezflowers, I understand you don't know any Canadian history in the pre-Trudeau era. Note that Canada along with the rest of the British Empire stood alone in 1940 against the Nazis and the Japanese. If we'd joined the world, we'd have become a bunch of blackshirts. Thankfully the Americans came onside eventually.
I'm assuming you're a Socialist who's never had a problem with supporting the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, the USSR, or other totalitarian regimes...
"Isolation" ain't so bad in that context.
Canada stands for democracy. Canada stands for Israel against the provocations of Palestinian terrorists. I'd rather be America's little brother than a pawn of Iran or North Korea. And if you don't agree, why don't you move to one of those countries if you don't like America.
Posted by: Ace at January 14, 2009 3:33 AM"...according to some long time observers;" please see article about journalistic spheres and donut holes
Posted by: rzr at January 14, 2009 4:32 AMHaha, Russia and China voted? Are you kidding me?
If anyone should be condemned, it's definitely them. Freaking hypocrites...
Posted by: k at January 14, 2009 6:36 AMThere's only one reason why I vote for PM Harper. His stand in support of Israel. Harper is not nearly Conservative enough for me, but he has always stood with Israel.
Wherever I stand, I stand with Israel.
Posted by: A Strom is coming at January 14, 2009 7:11 AMWhat's a strom?
Posted by: A Storm is coming at January 14, 2009 7:13 AM
And here come the clowns - I mean trolls.
If our PM had voted any other way I'd be disgusted after what took place this past weekend. Canada will be OK with him at the helm.
Out of the UN.
Posted by: dolly at January 14, 2009 7:17 AMAwesome news. Thanks, kate.
Posted by: mark peters at January 14, 2009 7:28 AMLorne Gunter at NP:
"That's the approach the Star labelled "evenhanded."
That's the approach the Harper government has
abandoned -- though it should be noted that since it was getting us nowhere in our quest to become the region's fair-minded dispute adjudicator, there wasn't much to abandon."
"Canadian diplomats and ministers claimed to see merit in the demands of both sides. Our official policy goal was to become an "honest broker" by putting as much stock in the integrity of terror groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and the PLO as we did in the Israeli government.
We poured hundreds of millions of dollars in reconstruction aid into the West Bank and Gaza, then turned a blind eye when large chunks of that money was diverted into the villas and Swiss bank accounts of Palestinian leaders. We didn't want to jeopardize our chances of being a mediator acceptable to the terrorists -- should they ever decide to negotiate a last peace -- by being churlish about their kleptomania, cronyism and corruption.
Canada indirectly paid for textbooks for Palestinian schools that denounced Israel and left the Jewish state off maps of the Middle East. And,
under the Liberals, our UN diplomats time and again voted for resolutions condemning Israel for its self-defensive actions, or abstained and let the one-sided motions go through."
http://tinyurl.com/82t2p6
"Harper's strong stand"
"The last time I saw something like that was at a Red Friday rally"
Really anarchore, the last time I saw something like your "Open Letter to Progressives" was in 1939.
http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/2009/01/09/open-letter-to-progressives/
You are a piece of vile sh*t.
Posted by: Alberta Girl at January 14, 2009 8:47 AMTo Mr. Harper and his crew.
A big thank you for standing alone!...
33 to 1.. just imagine how far up the arse these 33 have their heads!
To bad the 6500 rockets hadn't rained down on them the last three years.
In 1967 israel was surounded by enemies also.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob showed up and helped her whop a little butt!
That same God is going to show up again...
He promises it in ezekiel 38&39.
you can read it for yourselves.
That day is getting perilously close.
You can take that to the bank folks!
Posted by: bygeorge at January 14, 2009 9:43 AM
Well folks, remember that the EU is very dependent on foreign oil (Saudi or Russian). Perhaps to ensure no "hiccups" in the supply they have to toe the line.
Canada being the only real democratic country with its own oil and gas doesn't have to appease the Russians or the Muslims.
~~favill~~
Posted by: favill at January 14, 2009 10:01 AM"We're isolating ourselves with such acts. Hasn't Canada historically been a nation to stand with the world, seems we're standing in the shadow of the US more and more these days."
Who cares what the other socialist and totalitarian governments think. This shows we have good moral principles. Just because we stand alone, doesn't make us wrong.
Posted by: Chairman Kaga at January 14, 2009 10:09 AMI was invited to make a visit to Toronto, now I'm definitely going.
A historical note: Canada went after the NAZI's in 1939, the USA waited until after Pear Harbor in 1941.
Posted by: Right Brain at January 14, 2009 10:42 AMHere's the list that the Toronto Whore "decided" we didn't need to know:
In favour (33): Angola, Argentina, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Chile, China, Cuba, Djibouti, Egypt, Gabon, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mauritius, Mexico, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South Africa, Uruguay, and Zambia.
Against (1):Canada.
Abstentions (13): Bosnia and Herzegovina, Cameroon, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Republic of Korea, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Ukraine, and United Kingdom.
Via a link at Ace of Spades to:
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2009/01/true-north-on-guard.html
Thats quite a motley crew of countries condemning Israel. Two of those countries definitely purchase arms equipment from Israel - India and China. South Africa also buys Israeli weaponry. I can understand the Arab/Islamic countries, but Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Madagascar, Mexico, Nicaragua, South Africa and Uruguay????
Israel sure has some wierd relationships. It always amazes me that countries that have nothing in common unite so easily in condemning Israel. What is it about Israel that inspires such antipathy?
Oddly enough, France abstained. Who would've thought.
Posted by: wierded at January 14, 2009 11:34 AM"To Mr. Harper and his crew.
A big thank you for standing alone!...
33 to 1.. just imagine how far up the arse these 33 have their heads!
To bad the 6500 rockets hadn't rained down on them the last three years.
In 1967 israel was surounded by enemies also.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob showed up and helped her whop a little butt!
That same God is going to show up again...
He promises it in ezekiel 38&39.
you can read it for yourselves.
That day is getting perilously close.
You can take that to the bank folks!"\
The screecher rockets are a joke. Starving 1.5 million people, stealing land, and then breaking the cease-fire, that is not a joke.
Ignorant illiterate people, the backbone of the LiberCon parties.
Posted by: anarchore at January 14, 2009 11:38 AM1. Three cheers for Canada!
2. I like the giant bulldozer idea. After we've plowed the UN under, we can turn it on Gaza.
3. A strom is a stromboli:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stromboli_(food)
Posted by: rightwingprof at January 14, 2009 12:47 PMhttp://www.buyisraelgoods.org/
I believe one of the best ways to support Israel as an individual is to buy her goods.
I personally love Israeli shoes......Beautifeel(pricey but worth every penny) and Naot. Check them out.
Posted by: Valencia at January 14, 2009 1:13 PMIgnore Anarchore. He's showing up all over the place today, spreading hate and ignorance.
Posted by: Soccermom at January 14, 2009 1:16 PM"anachore" is a typical whiney troll, posting cut & paste leftist boilerplate. Might as well be a bot.
Posted by: Spiny Norman at January 14, 2009 1:32 PM"The screecher rockets are a joke. Starving 1.5 million people, stealing land, and then breaking the cease-fire, that is not a joke."
Your own statements belie the anti-semetic bullshit your ilk spew forth. How can you say the cease-fire had been broken by Israel when by your own admission note they were firing rockets at Israel previous to this. You may think those rockets were a joke, but obviously Isreal doesn't. Hamas has given the Palestinian people these problems, Isreal has every right to defend itself. If my neighbor started firing poorly guided weapons at my house (while cowering behind their own children) you'd be damn sure I'd bring the fight back to them. Hamas == Cowards. Period. They're getting what they deserve.
If you keep turning the other cheek, you eventually just turn 360 degrees and end up right back where you started. Israel is morally justified in defending themselves, surprising they waited this long to do so.
Posted by: meshuggah at January 14, 2009 1:35 PMAnacore,
You are nothing but an idiotic bigot. You make me sick. What do you think would happen to the Jews in the middle east if there were no Israel? They would go back to being oppressed by Muslims and threatened by pieces of garbage like you. But I guess someone of your ilk would think that's a good thing.
Posted by: Charles at January 14, 2009 2:25 PMAnd Anacore ... You say the Jewish lobby controls the entire world, and yet only one single country is willing to stand up for Israel - and only since Harper has been in power. You don't make any sense. If our governments were all tools of a powerful Jewish lobby, don't you think the UN vote would have been different?
Posted by: Charles at January 14, 2009 2:29 PM Chairman Kaga;
Here ! Here!
USA is not a member of the UNHRC?
O will fix it up. Hildabeast will lead the charge.
Her delegate-of-choice will be Jesse?
Posted by: maz2 at January 14, 2009 4:48 PMGood for us! DAMN good for us!
Posted by: John Lewis at January 14, 2009 5:10 PMdmorris: "Canada's the only one with enough intestinal fortitude to stand against the motion."
Well, I'd call it enough balls. Yeah, that sounds about right!
Go, Harper, Go, Canada, Go!
Posted by: batb at January 14, 2009 7:51 PMIain: "I would like to see a Twilght Zone episode were Ryan from CUPE gets to live in a place like Sderot for the last eight years, see where he stands after that."
Do you think it would take eight years? 'More like eight hours. But, I'd be happy to leave him there for eight years.
Sweet.
Posted by: batb at January 14, 2009 8:01 PMDeezflowers (so?): "We're isolating ourselves with such acts."
And a damned good thing too. Far better to stand alone on the right side of history than with a whole company of wimpy laydowns who are selling us all down the river.
And I beg to differ, anarchore (anarch or what?): The Quislings are all on your side. 'You historically challenged?
Posted by: batb at January 14, 2009 8:14 PMFor those such as deezflowers crying for peace in Gaza, it really is not complicated. The Arabs stop firing rockets into Israel; cease trying to murder Israeli civilians and use all their funding from the international community to build a stable economy and Israel will be delighted to let them be.
Posted by: Alain at January 14, 2009 9:21 PMPosted by: Valencia at January 14, 2009 1:13 PM>
Thanks for the post; I’ve heard Israelis make good stuff! Will look into it.
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 13, 2009 11:42 PM>
“We're isolating ourselves with such acts. Hasn't Canada historically been a nation to stand with the world”
And…….what’s your point? Standing with the “world”, or do you mean the first world? Personally I’ve seen allot of the third world, sorry not interested in bringing it home. Not that fond of China’s policies and human rights record either along with other developing countries, but then again I’m not a Jihadist or a Nazi.
ACE: Well, I do know enough to realize that when you say Canada and the British Empire stood alone it doesn't really imply being alone at all. Do you realize how big the British Empire was at the time?
Assumptions aren't your suit.
I don't live in America, so why would I move?
GYM: Is that a fact? Israel's gov't isn't right wing? Are you sure?
Knight99: I meant standing with the world. Seems like your opinion is that the world only includes first world countries.
I don't understand how some people can have such strong opinions about not only this situation, but also about anybody with a differing opinion, all the while clearly displaying a significant lack of knowledge. Israel broke the cease fire, under international law Gaza is in a position that allows them to defend themselves and Israel is in a position that defies international laws. I'm not saying that Hamas is great, good, or not bad. I'm simply pointing out some apparently ignored facts.
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 15, 2009 1:28 AM>
“Israel broke the cease fire, under international law Gaza is in a position that allows them to defend themselves and Israel is in a position that defies international laws”
Well your prime minister obviously disagrees with your statement, along with the other 13 “first world nations” that declined the UN’s invitation to tell Israel exactly that.
But the personal opinions you express in your comments fall right in line with the 33 third & developing world, human rights abusing, craphole dictatorships who do agree with you wholeheartedly!
So take some heart you do have friends and people who agree with you :)
10,000 coyotes can’t be wrong.
Knight99: It doesn't matter who disagrees...those fact still remain intact. Declining to take part doesn't correlate with anything...what is your logic in placing Canada with those that didn't take part? Right, I know, we're all "first world nations" right...the only good, well-doing nations, the one's who's opinion matters right? Forget everybody else, ya?
Can you please copy and paste the part of my post that contained an opinion? Other than the part about the lack of knowledge and over abundance of opinions. But then again...common...there's evidence to support it.
Posted by: Deezflowers at January 15, 2009 1:59 AMPosted by: Deezflowers at January 15, 2009 1:59 AM >
"It doesn't matter who disagrees...those fact still remain intact"
Enough said. Get some sleep Deez......It must be late in your part of the world.
Deez
Hamas never respected any ceasefire. What are you talking about? Something like 6000 rockets have been fired during the so-called ceasefire, and now that the time limit of the ceasefire expired and rockets from Gaza continued, Israel finally responded.
Should they just allow rockets to be fired at them forever - for the sin of existing?
Get real. And your link to articles by people with Jewish names - big deal. Oh so you found some Jew who thinks the same as you. Haven't you ever heard the expression "two Jews, three opinions". Of course there is differing opinions and positions on this amongst Jews. What would be really shocking is if you linked to an article by an Arab or Muslim stating that Hamas firing rockets into neighbours' yard year after year after year after year after year is a war crime.
"Well, I do know enough to realize that when you say Canada and the British Empire stood alone it doesn't really imply being alone at all. Do you realize how big the British Empire was at the time?"
The fact is that Britain and the senior Dominions (Canada, Aus/NZ) did most if not all of the heavy lifting against the Nazis in 1940. And if Britain had fallen, a distinct possibility at the time, then the Queen would have fled to Canada. Do you disagree with standing against the provocations of totalitarian regimes - even if a nation as isolated as Britain was in 1940?
The League of Nations refused to condemn the Italian invasion of Abyssinia. Similarly looking to the "moral guidance" of the United Nations is useless when determining the legitimacy of future action.
The point I am making is that there is inherently wrong with being alone when we are fighting against totalitarianism. Similarly, the main argument is that we are supporting a democratic Israel defending itself against the provocations of Palestinian terrorist organizations.
Posted by: Ace at January 15, 2009 9:28 AM"I don't understand how some people can have such strong opinions about not only this situation, but also about anybody with a differing opinion, all the while clearly displaying a significant lack of knowledge. Israel broke the cease fire, under international law Gaza is in a position that allows them to defend themselves and Israel is in a position that defies international laws. I'm not saying that Hamas is great, good, or not bad. I'm simply pointing out some apparently ignored facts."
The Egyptian brokered cease fire expired on December 19th. What did Israel do before that date to have broken the cease fire?
Also, I'm allowed to have a strong opinion about anything I want. That includes distaste for a group that cries to the world about civilian deaths, but at the same time, does nothing to minimize the casualties because they're too busy hiding behind civilians and performing military operations from residential areas, hospitals, and schools.
Posted by: Chairman Kaga at January 15, 2009 11:23 AMAce: Again you say "as isolated as Britain"...the British Empire is far from being isolated. The fact is that Britain's empire had a very strong role in the war.
That Palestinian terrorist organization was voted into power democratically...so it's two democratic countries against each other.
Chairman Kaga: Israel broke the cease fire on Nov. 4 2008
November 4
"Israel breaches ceasefire by military raid into Gaza, in order to destroy a tunnel going towards its border, killing one Palestinian. Later air strike killed 5 more."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Israel-Gaza_conflict#June_to_November_ceasefire
I never said you couldn't have a strong opinion, I said I found it odd that such strong opinions are often clearly backed by a not so strong knowledge base. I see a lot of regurgitated propaganda...ie. civilian shields and military operations from schools.
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