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December 19, 2008

Signs Of The Apocalypse

"Minnesota Sen. Norm Coleman's lead over Al Franken has dropped to just two votes, after a canvassing board considered a pile of challenges."


Posted by Kate at December 19, 2008 12:07 AM
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Well, this is no different than Bush/Gore. That result and this result are both statistically a tie, so it just becomes a matter of gamesmanship to see who will "win". The Republicans were strong then, they are weak now. I wouldn't bet against a Democrat in this current climate (so to speak)

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 18, 2008 11:58 PM

He's good enough, he's smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him ... enough to send him to be the clown at the world's biggest circus.

Bring it on. What's one more liberal idiot in Obamaland?

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at December 19, 2008 12:06 AM

You know Peter, I never found that schtick remotely funny at all. Well, not much of SNL has been funny for a long time!

Posted by: Erik Larsen at December 19, 2008 12:40 AM

If that is truly the US of A, the cradle of democracy, how about another vote - just to set the record straight.

Posted by: a different bob at December 19, 2008 12:44 AM

Count the votes. All of them. The candidate with the most votes wins. But you have to count ALL the votes.

Posted by: djb at December 19, 2008 12:50 AM

How much do you want to bet that should Franken pull ahead (by any number of votes), that he ceases requesting that all votes be counted after that point? And should Coleman's campaign start pressing for a full recount, that Franken and his like-minded fellows squeal to high heaven about attempts to steal the election?

Posted by: Shane O. at December 19, 2008 1:01 AM

I wonder how many of these "challenged votes" went AGAINST Franken. It's interesting whenever these recounts take place the results always seem to be benificial to the Democrats.

You can bet if Franken were the incumbant the lead would not have been reduced so much.

Posted by: john at December 19, 2008 1:02 AM

djb - You're right. The Candidate with the most votes wins. Now, understand that the rest of the United States of America has LONG AGO finished counting the votes. Just why is it that Minnesota has not been able to count, you know - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4-etc....,when the rest of the country has long since counted and determined who their winners are? Just askin - ya know.

Kind of reminds me of the Democrats in Florida not so long ago who wanted to keep counting until the numbers, somehow, gave a different result!?!?

Is that what democracy is?

Posted by: a different bob at December 19, 2008 1:08 AM

Were there any color TV's involved in this electorial race?

Posted by: Jema 54 at December 19, 2008 2:26 AM

Have you guys seen some of the disputed ballots?

You really can't tell who the voters meant to select on some of them, which you would think would mean the ballots were spoiled and thrown out of the count.

But they are of course disputing every last one of them.

And yeah, I never found Al Franken funny either, but this coming year in D.C. will be a non-stop laugh-fest, I am sure. If you like unexpected communist revolutions, that is to say.

Posted by: Peter O'Donnell at December 19, 2008 2:58 AM

"Coleman's lead eroded all day Thursday as the Canvassing Board considered a pile of challenges brought entirely by the Coleman campaign."

apparently frivolous challenges. In one case he challened a ballot simply because the person who cast it wrote "thanks for counting my vote" on it.

The fun part is, Coleman's about to be indicted for corruption anyway...the even better part is, coleman and his "wife" are getting seperate lawyers...can you say Holy Divergent Interests?

I knew you could!

Posted by: harumph at December 19, 2008 3:17 AM

I read an article that stated most of the spoiled ballots were for the Dems. The reason Franken's crew gave was that Dems. were more likely not to be able to make an x in the box. True story.

Posted by: Speedy at December 19, 2008 5:57 AM

And as soon as Franken is "up" by one vote, he'll demand that the process be shut down immediately and that any challanges from Coleman would be tantamount to the Republican's attempting to steal the election from the Democrats.

Posted by: mr. X. at December 19, 2008 7:12 AM

Franken's an asshole, but he is winning, unfortunately.

The whole canvassing board process is live (I accessed through Powerlineblog.com) and they do show you each of the disputed ballots as the board makes it decisions.

In good conscience I can't really fault any of the decisions that I saw in the hour or so I had the site on. (I was doing something else at the same time, otherwise it would have been too boring to stay with). I wish I could because Franken is a lound-mouth asshole (I'm not sure thta i'd mentioned that before) that never was much of a writer - Lying Liars was such a piece of shit it makes Mike Moore seem like Hemmingway - and he really has no platform other than that the Republicans are evil and let's soak the rich.

That doesn't mean that there weren't any shennanigans before this point, but the current process seems fairly reasonable.

Let's hope that Norm has a few more ballots in the stack or else we'll be stuck with Al Franken for at least another six years.

And don't get me started about the proposed appointments of Caroline Kennedy and Beau Biden to the senate to fill vacancies.

Posted by: Cranky or Just a Crank at December 19, 2008 7:28 AM

With nonsense like THIS going on ( http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83885 ), they should just give it to Franken now, because the fix is in. If he needs another 150 votes to win, they'll FIND another 150 votes so he can "win"; I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it odd that a liberal county managed to "find" an extra polling machine showing another 100 votes (all for Franken, BTW), and that showed all those votes were cast 2 days BEFORE the election. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

Posted by: SDC at December 19, 2008 9:32 AM

I understand that there have been 'no' new ballots found for Coleman.

Democrats.
Steal.
Elections.

Posted by: grok at December 19, 2008 9:49 AM

Well, Different Bob, that's because Minnesotians count 1, 2, 3, 4, Eye Lassy, 6, 7, ,,,,,

Posted by: Ratt at December 19, 2008 9:54 AM

Were all of the disqualified ACORN ballots allowed and added to the "Frankin File"?
Oui!

Posted by: capt_bob at December 19, 2008 10:44 AM

Look at the bright side, folks — the good Rev. Jesse Jackson has shown us the way.  As soon as the ballots tip in Franken's favour and he goes to the Senate for the next six years, everyone'll be able to say that Franken was "selected, not elected."  He and the Senators from New York and Illinois will be able to have lunch together and swap selection stories.  It'll be a new Brat Pack!

Hilarity will ensue.  And after all, that's why we really have elections, right?  Right?  Anyone?  Anyone?  Bueller?


Garth

Posted by: Garth Wood at December 19, 2008 10:50 AM

I wonder how many votes Coleman would be ahead without Acorn's voter fraud? 1000? 2000? 10,000? Sky's the limit...

Posted by: Warwick at December 19, 2008 11:47 AM

Quote by Harumph:
"The fun part is, Coleman's about to be indicted for corruption anyway...the even better part is, coleman and his "wife" are getting seperate lawyers...can you say Holy Divergent Interests? "

Pure Conjecture.
About to be indicted?? Are you serious? There is no indication of such in any way/shape or form. The FBI does not confirm or deny anything. So how could possibly know this imminent indictment? Inside scoop, right? From the DEMONcrats smear sites no doubt.

The most up to date information is here, and nothing about charges whatsoever:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5qnq2d

Posted by: Angry! at December 19, 2008 1:31 PM

Maybe it is time for all US elections to have foreign countries send people to oversee them to make sure they are run properly.
With a mess like they have perhaps they should just have another election, like Georgia did.
Wonder how many are in our HofC due to cheating and rigging.

Posted by: MaryT at December 19, 2008 1:36 PM

the trouble with u.s. ballots is there is too much stuff on them. the average voter has exhausted his reading skills before he/she has finished filling out the ballot.

Posted by: old white guy at December 19, 2008 3:31 PM

"I wonder how many votes Coleman would be ahead without Acorn's voter fraud? 1000? 2000? 10,000? Sky's the limit...
Posted by: Warwick at December 19, 2008 11:47 AM"

"Were all of the disqualified ACORN ballots allowed and added to the "Frankin File"?
Oui!
Posted by: capt_bob at December 19, 2008 10:44 AM"

ACORN submitted fraudulent voter registration cards, which simply means that "Mickey Mouse" or "Mr. T" would be on the rolls. It would still require that fictitious person to show up, provide identification, and vote. Not only that but all the all those tens of thousands of bad registrations were caught by electoral boards. I'm sure some got through, but as I said, voter registration cards != votes.

"I understand that there have been 'no' new ballots found for Coleman.

Democrats.
Steal.
Elections. "

The whole process is being done live on webcam...you can go watch if you like. Sounds like the "thieves" are "stealing" this election in front of the entire world. I wonder why nobody is stopping them...perhaps because they aren't stealing anything at all?

Posted by: bar_jebus at December 19, 2008 4:18 PM

"Kind of reminds me of the Democrats in Florida not so long ago who wanted to keep counting until the numbers, somehow, gave a different result!?!?"

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.

Posted by: PiperPaul at December 19, 2008 10:01 PM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Could-Republican-Norm-Cole-by-E-Nelson-081101-771.html

"Ironically on a day when Norm Coleman sued Al Franken for accusing him of being the 4th most corrupt Senator another lawsuit came to light making the "defamation suit" pale by comparison in seriousness.

A lawsuit that was filed in Texas a few days before Norm Coleman's filing involved one of Norm Coleman's close friends and major political contributor and contained some very serious allegations. If proven true these allegations would likely lead to further investigations and a trial much like what now indicted Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens has recently gone through.

In the lawsuit Paul McKim, the former CEO of an oil-rig servicing company in Houston, alleges he was coerced by 50% shareholder Iranian-born Nasser Kaseminy, a Norm Coleman friend and major political contributor, to funnel payments to Norm Coleman's wife through her employer Hays Companies in Saint Paul Minnesota.

The lawsuit was entered into Harris county court in Texas on Monday, then pulled on Tuesday because of ongoing negotiations, and then re-submitted to the courts on Thursday. The plaintiff, McKim, signed an affidavit under oath on Friday and updated the lawsuit to include additional exhibits. The Minneapolis Star Tribune obtained a copy of the lawsuit and exhibits. These documents show "service fees" paid to the Hays Companies where Laurie Coleman works. Below is a copy of one of the payments included as an exhibit in the lawsuit and is apparently from a ledger, a payment of $25,000 to Hays is circled in ink with a note: "Please pull this detail and delete... 8/19/08."

wonder why neither coleman nor the FBI will confirm of deny whether coleman has been contacted by investigators... i think it touching that coleman is using his campaign funds to hire lawyers though.

Posted by: harumph at December 20, 2008 12:18 AM

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Could-Republican-Norm-Cole-by-E-Nelson-081101-771.html

"Ironically on a day when Norm Coleman sued Al Franken for accusing him of being the 4th most corrupt Senator another lawsuit came to light making the "defamation suit" pale by comparison in seriousness.

A lawsuit that was filed in Texas a few days before Norm Coleman's filing involved one of Norm Coleman's close friends and major political contributor and contained some very serious allegations. If proven true these allegations would likely lead to further investigations and a trial much like what now indicted Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens has recently gone through.

In the lawsuit Paul McKim, the former CEO of an oil-rig servicing company in Houston, alleges he was coerced by 50% shareholder Iranian-born Nasser Kaseminy, a Norm Coleman friend and major political contributor, to funnel payments to Norm Coleman's wife through her employer Hays Companies in Saint Paul Minnesota.

The lawsuit was entered into Harris county court in Texas on Monday, then pulled on Tuesday because of ongoing negotiations, and then re-submitted to the courts on Thursday. The plaintiff, McKim, signed an affidavit under oath on Friday and updated the lawsuit to include additional exhibits. The Minneapolis Star Tribune obtained a copy of the lawsuit and exhibits. These documents show "service fees" paid to the Hays Companies where Laurie Coleman works. Below is a copy of one of the payments included as an exhibit in the lawsuit and is apparently from a ledger, a payment of $25,000 to Hays is circled in ink with a note: "Please pull this detail and delete... 8/19/08."

wonder why neither coleman nor the FBI will confirm of deny whether coleman has been contacted by investigators... i think it touching that coleman is using his campaign funds to hire lawyers though.

Posted by: harumph at December 20, 2008 12:18 AM

The Minnesota recount was required by law because the margin was so small -- 0.007%. Franken didn't ask for it. Coleman never won; there will be no winner until the recount is over, and maybe not until Coleman's court cases are settled. It's a very close election, and Franken is by no means sure to win.

There's only been one count and one recount, and the automatic recount isn't finished yet. There have been a lot of interim reports on the news, but none of them were final results. Everything is going routinely according to law so far.

Your beef is with the Minnesota voters who voted for Franken, not with the recount process. People are making a strong effort to get a good count, and Republicans are involved every step of the way. (During the last 30 years, Minnesota has had more Republican than Democratic Senators).

This is taking as long as it is because we're trying to do a good job of it and there's no real hurry. Elections are not entertainment events. If you're bored, you don't have to watch.

People who talk about fraud should have evidence. All the things people have been talking about have been looked at by Coleman people and found not to be valid. If you're listening to Hannity or Coulter, you should know that you're being misinformed.

Posted by: John Emerson at December 21, 2008 1:45 PM
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